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Old 07-21-2019, 09:38 AM   #1
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Rethink the 'lordís recoveryí

My background: I spent 7 years in lC but now meeting with another group of Christian.

- Why must I follow or subscribe ONLY WN/WLís teaching?
The LCers would convince you that the brothers stand before the giants, and now they are following the up-to-date speaking from the ministry. Sounds like they are saying there is no better speaking from other servants of God. This can be an offence to the Lord Himself, is Christ bounded only by a group of Christian? Are you saying there's no way or not possible to experience/enjoy Christ outside of the LSM?

I think the Lord has His children all over the earth, in many different groups. Undeniable, Christianity is chaotic and full of leaven (so does in the Lc actually), but in the different denominations, there are genuine believers, who are following the lamb, loving and serving the Lord. No group is special, no group is perfect and one should be proud and have the Laodicean spirit.

- What is the 'lord's recovery'
To me, it's just another group of Christian. Nothing too special about it. Same as other groups, they have good teaching and bad teaching. Good teaching and practices include:
- use the spirit to contact and enjoy the Lord.
- home meeting practice that foster/practice loving one another.
- encourage speaking for the Lord so that the saints can edify one another.

Bad teaching or problematic atmosphere due to they are too self-serving can cause the saints to
- Discredit teaching from other teachers, spoonfeed by the doctrines of WN/WL. WN said God doesn't give him the full light but today the Lc has become something else, as they have it all right, seems they are going to bring the Lord back very soon.
- Cut off the fellowship with other groups of Christian, became exclusive because the saints are trapped in the framework of WN/WL which easily encourage favouritism/sectarianism. I remember in training we are studying the ground of the Church and we were asked by the leading brother: "Can we married the sisters from the denomination?" Since when we have a different kind/type of sister? Paul said do not be yoked together with unbelievers, but now we have another teaching on top of that? Favouritism/sectarianism easily create a self-serving or self-promoting atmosphere that foster something else.

I can testify the Lord dislikes my pride and favouritism toward a particular group of Christian. The culture and the leaven of my 'home church' (I was baptized in the Lc) is so thick until I was once blinded and failed to discern what is of God and what's merely a man's system. I suffered and nearly lost my faith when I'm not with the Lcers. Moving forward I have to unlearn and stop being lazy to study the bible, test all things like Paul said and love the Lord over a congregation and the human relationship.
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:59 AM   #2
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It's a rescue of God that you escaped them. It is NOT like any Christian group with it's various faults. I am talking about very damaging doctrine which dishonors God and harms people. Actions come from beliefs and you can see thier actions coming from the root of what they believe. I'm so happy you were delivered.
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Old 07-21-2019, 11:15 AM   #3
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It's a rescue of God that you escaped them. It is NOT like any Christian group with it's various faults. I am talking about very damaging doctrine which dishonors God and harms people. Actions come from beliefs and you can see thier actions coming from the root of what they believe. I'm so happy you were delivered.
I completely agree. Very few groups claiming to be Christian teach that you can become God-men. Even more, none that I know of teach the need to empty yourself of mind and soul in order to be filled with the spirit.

Its not just a benign group with a couple "warts" as some think, its an extremely spiritually destructive and insidious belief system. The sooner you realize this the quicker you can get on with your life and hopefully go on to develop a healthy relationship with Jesus Christ.
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It's a rescue of God that you escaped them. It is NOT like any Christian group with it's various faults. I am talking about very damaging doctrine which dishonors God and harms people. Actions come from beliefs and you can see thier actions coming from the root of what they believe. I'm so happy you were delivered.
Let's not overly disparage LCers . . . God shed His blood for them as well. Are their warts bigger? Perhaps, but we could go round and round trying to ascertain the exact degree of all that (and we do on this forum)! Theology and practice doesn't make anybody one. Shoot, I've heard incredible, living, Christ-centered things spoke by Roman Church people! And they definitely have some warts going on . . .

Personally, I would not exclude the LC either, as they're definitely members of the body of Christ. But my vision of the body has grown far beyond the exclusive view that I had while part of the LC. If the LC was the only Christian group in town, I wouldn't be afraid of meeting with them (at least occasionally).
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Old 07-25-2019, 03:31 AM   #5
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LR movement is heavily influenced by the brethren movement

I found the problems of LR is similar to the brethren group

https://youtu.be/TiBC_DT6Dro
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LR movement is heavily influenced by the brethren movement

I found the problems of LR is similar to the brethren group

https://youtu.be/TiBC_DT6Dro

Great video on J.N. Darby and the Brethren.

Change the names and it could well be W. Lee and the Local Churches.

If you want to understand the Recovery, you must understand Darby first.
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LR movement is heavily influenced by the brethren movement

I found the problems of LR is similar to the brethren group

https://youtu.be/TiBC_DT6Dro
This is what happens with knowledge - it just puffs up!

So I'm just beginning to see that I may have been under the influence of "dispensationalism," even though I'm just starting to get an idea what this is even about!
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Great video on J.N. Darby and the Brethren.

Change the names and it could well be W. Lee and the Local Churches.

If you want to understand the Recovery, you must understand Darby first.
They say that those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. I had no idea of the Brethren when I joined the LC, to learn from. As it happens, I learn when it's way too late to make a difference.
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LR movement is heavily influenced by the brethren movement

I found the problems of LR is similar to the brethren group

https://youtu.be/TiBC_DT6Dro
Very educational. Sounds like Nee, Lee, and now the LSM co-working blindeds are chips off the old Darby block of wood. Ohio is right, understand the exclusive brethren and you'll understand Nee's recovery.
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So what happened to "Just a little brother" who started this thread? I don't see any other posts on here from him . . .

And it certainly does appear that what happened with the Brethren happened to TLR, especially after WL's influence. To me, the extreme exclusivity was TLR biggest error, because it goes the most against the love we were commanded to show to one another!
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I can testify the Lord dislikes my pride and favouritism toward a particular group of Christian. The culture and the leaven of my 'home church' (I was baptized in the Lc) is so thick until I was once blinded and failed to discern what is of God and what's merely a man's system. I suffered and nearly lost my faith when I'm not with the Lcers. Moving forward I have to unlearn and stop being lazy to study the bible, test all things like Paul said and love the Lord over a congregation and the human relationship.
It's the culture, the pride and everything else that goes with it that needed to be repented of. Pride alone can separate and divide oneself from fellow members of the Body. So what if there are other Christian meeting with other churches. I learned "don't get caught up in a name". Every church has to take a name if they want their IRS tax benefits. Content of the message is more important than the name on the building. So what if there is a pastor. The local churches had their own pastoral system in paper form. Scripture became a craving no man's ministry could satisfy.
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So what happened to "Just a little brother" who started this thread? I don't see any other posts on here from him . . .

And it certainly does appear that what happened with the Brethren happened to TLR, especially after WL's influence. To me, the extreme exclusivity was TLR biggest error, because it goes the most against the love we were commanded to show to one another!
I'm freed from the religious system of LR, now I'm meeting with other church. I know so little about Christianity when I was in LR, literally no time to read books from other authors, if brother Lee was still alive, I'll go to right on his face to tell him Christianity isn't poor at all and God is using many servants and continue to shed the light in each of his churches!!

In this moment I want to study more about the brethren, I want to know the real history rather a simple 1-2min brief history told by the LR group. I'm surprised how dumb I was and how lazy I was to simply accept things that people told me
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In this moment I want to study more about the brethren, I want to know the real history rather a simple 1-2min brief history told by the LR group. I'm surprised how dumb I was and how lazy I was to simply accept things that people told me
jALB thanks for checking in. Using the term "lazy" might seem a little harsh, but it probably has some truth, at least for many. Those brainwashed from the crib have more of an out, of course.

But we were told all the history books had been read, and compiled, and there was nothing left to learn - just take in the ministry. It was a bald, self-serving lie from "the ministry" and it was the lazy way out for the believer who followed.
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