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[zeek]

"We are going to take a strong look at our country's libel laws ... You can't say things that are false, knowingly false, and be able to smile as money pours into your bank account."

Said the world's most infamous liar who daily makes scandalous claims about people on Twitter with the intention of damaging their reputation. He thinks he is above the law so whatever laws he proposes won't apply to him.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Said the world's most infamous liar who daily makes scandalous claims about people on Twitter with the intention of damaging their reputation. He thinks he is above the law so whatever laws he proposes won't apply to him.

Classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome on display.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yeah, a rich TV star with no experience in government would be a train wreck.

A train wreck???

The Hollowwood Elites and the Media are all slurping up the Oprah love.

Not you?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Actually, Trump had a mental lapse in the meeting and practically gave away the farm. During the meeting on Tuesday, Trump was asked by Dianne Feinstein if he would support "a clean DACA bill." by which she meant without strings attached to Trump's wall. Trump replied "Yeah, I would like to do it." So he and his minions had to go back and correct what he said after the meeting. Some negotiator .

Smooth and deceitful Feinstein tried to use senate-double-speak to distort the negotiations.

Congratulations you found a dead nit.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

A train wreck???

The Hollowwood Elites and the Media are all slurping up the Oprah love.

Not you?

Well I guess O as president isn't any crazier than I've seen so far. But NOprah

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Well I guess O as president isn't any crazier than I've seen so far. But NOprah

No it won't be crazy, it will be a lovefest. (Not a lovefeast.)

She will be Queen of the free world! Her Highness!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

Actually, Trump had a mental lapse in the meeting and practically gave away the farm. During the meeting on Tuesday, Trump was asked by Dianne Feinstein if he would support "a clean DACA bill." by which she meant without strings attached to Trump's wall. Trump replied "Yeah, I would like to do it." So he and his minions had to go back and correct what he said after the meeting. Some negotiator .

The wall is the product of a pathological fetish of a "stable genius." It's nothing but a foolish want of a foolish man, that doesn't have a clue of what he's doing.

But now, at least, that "big beautiful wall" turns out not to be 2000 miles long. Why? Because there's natural barriers that don't need a wall, Trump says.

The wall will stop nothing and nobody, but will cost us billions, that, could be used to provide universal health care.

The wall? That's worthy of one of my Bahahahaha's. But out of respect for bro zeek I won't do it.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

The wall is the product of a pathological fetish of a "stable genius." It's nothing but a foolish want of a foolish man, that doesn't have a clue of what he's doing.

But now, at least, that "big beautiful wall" turns out not to be 2000 miles long. Why? Because there's natural barriers that don't need a wall, Trump says.

The wall will stop nothing and nobody, but will cost us billions, that, could be used to provide universal health care.

The wall? That's worthy of one of my Bahahahaha's. But out of respect for bro zeek I won't do it.

I'll do it for you ... Trump's wall that the Mexicans are going to pay for bahahaha.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

I'll do it for you ... Trump's wall that the Mexicans are going to pay for bahahaha.

With the demise of that rotten NAFTA agreement, and trade imbalances with Mexico being corrected, I do believe that Mexico will pay for that wall many times over.

Since DACA is about to expire in a couple months, and the Dems loving illegals more than our own citizens, that border wall may just get built. Ask Americans, they want the wall!

No border, no language, no culture ... no country!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yeah, a rich TV star with no experience in government would be a train wreck.

She has a great campaign slogan:

"You get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car..."

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The wall is the product of a pathological fetish of a "stable genius." It's nothing but a foolish want of a foolish man, that doesn't have a clue of what he's doing.

But now, at least, that "big beautiful wall" turns out not to be 2000 miles long. Why? Because there's natural barriers that don't need a wall, Trump says.

The wall will stop nothing and nobody, but will cost us billions, that, could be used to provide universal health care.

Yobama borrowed a Trillion a year, and it was not enough for universal health care???

You want decent health care??? You need to leave the country and then come back in as an immigrant. I'm serious, your beloved Obama has penalized you and I for our (lack of) skin color.

I know a Chinese lady, a recent US citizen, who has always had free health care, without any deductibles. It's unbelievable.

This is why the working class voted for Trump!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

She has a great campaign slogan:

"You get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car..."

Please give a nice one to brother awareness. Yeah!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

With the demise of that rotten NAFTA agreement, and trade imbalances with Mexico being corrected, I do believe that Mexico will pay for that wall many times over.

Since DACA is about to expire in a couple months, and the Dems loving illegals more than our own citizens, that border wall may just get built. Ask Americans, they want the wall!

No border, no language, no culture ... no country!

Yes, there are more ways to pay for it than just fork over the cash.

Also I think the whole pretense that it is a boondoggle is absurd. If you extend the wall 10 miles on either side of the major cities you could force illegals to walk for 4 or 5 hours before getting to a road. They could easily be spotted with infrared at night or regular light during day using drones and then cops could be alerted that wait for them.

As for tunnels you can easily detect them using local seismographs. Since it probably takes weeks to build a tunnel it would be a simple matter to identify the location, put it under surveillance and arrest the entire ring.

Using Drones, seismographs and strategic extensions to the wall it could be done efficiently and effectively.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, there are more ways to pay for it than just fork over the cash.

Also I think the whole pretense that it is a boondoggle is absurd. If you extend the wall 10 miles on either side of the major cities you could force illegals to walk for 4 or 5 hours before getting to a road. They could easily be spotted with infrared at night or regular light during day using drones and then cops could be alerted that wait for them.

As for tunnels you can easily detect them using local seismographs. Since it probably takes weeks to build a tunnel it would be a simple matter to identify the location, put it under surveillance and arrest the entire ring.

Using Drones, seismographs and strategic extensions to the wall it could be done efficiently and effectively.

The complaint that the "wall won't stop everyone" is completely bogus.

That's like saying a deadbolt and security system can't stop every thief.

The point of security is to make it so difficult that the thief goes elsewhere.

"Good walls make good neighbors."

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

She has a great campaign slogan:

"You get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car..."

Seal got it right: "Oh I forgot, that's right.....you'd heard the rumours but you had no idea he was actually serially assaulting young stary-eyed actresses who in turn had no idea what they were getting into. My bad."

https://screenshots.firefox.com/Y8Vf....instagram.com

These pics are far more incriminating of this reality TV star, than the words of the last one.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

"Good walls make good neighbors."

Do we really want to wall off Mexico? Seems to me we would want to be closer to them ... maybe make them our 51st state.

What's next? Wall off Canada?

The wall is asinine.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yobama borrowed a Trillion a year, and it was not enough for universal health care???

Is this fake news? If not, back it up.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Is this fake news? If not, back it up.

The debt went up $5 Trillion under that "evil' Bush who started all those wars.

The debt went up $10 Trillion under Obama, who saved us all that defense spending.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Do we really want to wall off Mexico? Seems to me we would want to be closer to them ... maybe make them our 51st state.

What's next? Wall off Canada?

The wall is asinine.

You got walls and a locked door on your house?

Sounds a little asinine don't it?

Don't you want to be closer to your "neighbors?"

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You got walls and a locked door on your house?

Sounds a little asinine don't it?

Don't you want to be closer to your "neighbors?"

Really? I didn't take Awareness for someone who would put walls around his house. I figured he'd want to be closer to his neighbors.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Really? I didn't take Awareness for someone who would put walls around his house. I figured he'd want to be closer to his neighbors.

Even if family is next door, you still need walls and a door. With a lock.

Imagine if, like me, you lived in CrazyTown, USA.

I need a fence too.

[zeek]

President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.

Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday.

Trump is a racist and White Supremacist. Apparently his dementia has reached the point where he is unable to keep overt expression of his racial hatred in check.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump is a racist and White Supremacist. Apparently his dementia has reached the point where he is unable to keep overt expression of his racial hatred in check.

What else would you call MS-13 gang members?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You got walls and a locked door on your house?

Sounds a little asinine don't it?

Don't you want to be closer to your "neighbors?"

Cute, but silly. The walls of my house are for shelter from the elements, not to wall people out. And I have no walls around my property : (sadly ... I've got my ex-wife up the road, and her redneck Kentucky homegrown backwoods hillbilly boyfriend has been known to go out in the backwoods behind my house shooting off his guns - for show of threat. I shoot back ... just to let him know, and to hopefully keep any possibility of serious confrontation at bay.)

It dawns on me, walls are handy for wars, and of prevention/fear of them. I've noticed that republicans have a fancy for wars ... even lying us into them. Are we declaring war on Mexico?

And unless I'm going out of town, I don't lock my doors. Nor even, ever take the key out of my pickup.

My neighbors are welcome. I do unsolicited favors for them. I even welcome the JW's. I haven't even walled them off.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Walls can be very good at times, and necessary.

Just not for Mexico. I haven't met a Mexican I haven't liked ; those Catholics are good people. You know that bro Ohio.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Cute, but silly. The walls of my house are for shelter from the elements, not to wall people out. And I have no walls around my property : (sadly ... I've got my ex-wife up the road, and her redneck Kentucky homegrown backwoods hillbilly boyfriend has been known to go out in the backwoods behind my house shooting off his guns - for show of threat. I shoot back ... just to let him know, and to hopefully keep any possibility of serious confrontation at bay.)

It dawns on me, walls are handy for wars, and of prevention/fear of them. I've noticed that republicans have a fancy for wars ... even lying us into them. Are we declaring war on Mexico?

And unless I'm going out of town, I don't lock my doors. Nor even, ever take the key out of my pickup.

My neighbors are welcome. I do unsolicited favors for them. I even welcome the JW's. I haven't even walled them off.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Walls can be very good at times, and necessary.

Just not for Mexico. I haven't met a Mexican I haven't liked ; those Catholics are good people. You know that bro Ohio.

Oh, that's funny!

You don't need locks on your doors.

You got a double barrel shotgun instead.

And the whole neighborhood knows.

Couple shots a night to remind them.

ZNP, would that plan work in your neck of the woods?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Even if family is next door, you still need walls and a door. With a lock.

Imagine if, like me, you lived in CrazyTown, USA.

I need a fence too.

Sounds like you need the whole armor of God.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oh, that's funny!

You don't need locks on your doors.

You got a double barrel shotgun instead.

And the whole neighborhood knows.

Couple shots a night to remind them.

ZNP, would that plan work in your neck of the woods?

The best security system is a dog. I have had one four over my time here in Queens. All of them are 50 lbs or more. If you have a dog you are required by law to have a 6 foot fence surrounding your home. However, I had one dog that was incredibly athletic. This dog could leap, put a paw or two into the fence and be over it in less than ten seconds. She infuriated me.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The best security system is a dog. I have had one four over my time here in Queens. All of them are 50 lbs or more. If you have a dog you are required by law to have a 6 foot fence surrounding your home. However, I had one dog that was incredibly athletic. This dog could leap, put a paw or two into the fence and be over it in less than ten seconds. She infuriated me.

Never heard of such a fence law for dogs, but my wife wants a fence to also keep out the deer.

Our new puppy scares no one. She gets so excited when visitors stop over, that she jumps up and "leaks" on their feet. So funny.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

Sounds like you need the whole armor of God.

People who lack faith need guns and walls.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oh, that's funny!

You don't need locks on your doors.

You got a double barrel shotgun instead.

And the whole neighborhood knows.

Couple shots a night to remind them.

Nah, every once in awhile I'll put one in the air in the middle of the night, to shut the dogs up that bark all night. It works just long enough to get back to sleep.

And I haven't shot and killed anybody, so far. Tho I certainly have dreamed about it ; mostly back when my friend and wife betrayed me. I'm over that now.

But get this : I've got a crazy hillbilly up the road, that has threaten to "take me out" a half dozen times, and I still don't have a wall.

Reagan, "Tear down this wall!". Trump, "Build this wall."

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Nah, every once in awhile I'll put one in the air in the middle of the night, to shut the dogs up that bark all night. It works just long enough to get back to sleep.

And I haven't shot and killed anybody, so far. Tho I certainly have dreamed about it ; mostly back when my friend and wife betrayed me. I'm over that now.

But get this : I've got a crazy hillbilly up the road, that has threaten to "take me out" a half dozen times, and I still don't have a wall.

Reagan, "Tear down this wall!". Trump, "Build this wall."

Bad comparison. Did you just get that off of CNN?

German wall was inside one country built by a foreign country.

Trump's wall protects his borders from criminal crossings.

But you knew that. And please don't shoot the dogs.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

People who lack faith need guns and walls.

King David had no faith in God?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

King David had no faith in God?

Jesus is the model of faith for Christians. Accept no substitute.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

People who lack faith need guns and walls.

This is a democracy, if 50% lack faith then they have the right to request a wall.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is a democracy, if 50% lack faith then they have the right to request a wall.

Greater than 50% of the Electorate voted against Trump and his wall. According to a Fox news poll only 30% of Americans want Trump's wall.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Greater than 50% of the Electorate voted against Trump and his wall. According to a Fox news poll only 30% of Americans want Trump's wall.

And every single poll convinced us that Hilary would win.

Polls are like politicians. They always lie with their statistics.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And every single poll convinced us that Hilary would win.

Polls are like politicians. They always lie with their statistics.

The national polls weren't that far off — they predicted more people would vote for Clinton. That's what happened.

The election was so close that in pre-election polling only two States, Ohio and Wisconsin, were outside the margin of error. If you looked at the data instead of the hype, you knew that the election was too close to call.

Aren't you an engineer? You should get this stuff.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Greater than 50% of the Electorate voted against Trump and his wall. According to a Fox news poll only 30% of Americans want Trump's wall.

Good point, we aren't a democracy, we're a republic. It's all about the electoral college. These last comments from Trump are despicable as president of the US. I just cannot imagine the electorate not being energized over this.

Still, I blame the Democratic Party for his election due to their treatment of Bernie.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

The national polls weren't that far off — they predicted more people would vote for Clinton. That's what happened.

You're a smart guy. Ever hear about electoral college? That's how we elect Presidents. To claim that Hilary got more votes is like claiming that the losing football team won the game because they got more yards. If yardage wins the game, then the game is radically different. For example, no team would ever punt.

Likewise, with the electoral college system, many conservatives in Blue states like NY, OR, WA, CA, VT, CT, NJ, etc. just don't vote for President. Why should they, because their vote is insignificant.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Good point, we aren't a democracy, we're a republic. It's all about the electoral college. These last comments from Trump are despicable as president of the US. I just cannot imagine the electorate not being energized over this.

Still, I blame the Democratic Party for his election due to their treatment of Bernie.

All Presidents swear. Are you so naive? LBJ was famous for chewing out those who opposed.

America is so bored to death with this liberal fake outrage on the mainstream media. OMG Trump drinks 12 cokes a day. He must be a racist!

The Dems just screwed the Dreamers. The deal is off the table. Durbin chose their smear tactics over real people. So much for the "compassionate" progressives. They just got exposed like Hollywood.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

All Presidents swear. Are you so naive? LBJ was famous for chewing out those who opposed.

America is so bored to death with this liberal fake outrage on the mainstream media. OMG Trump drinks 12 cokes a day. He must be a racist!

The Dems just screwed the Dreamers. The deal is off the table. Durbin chose their smear tactics over real people. So much for the "compassionate" progressives. They just got exposed like Hollywood.

I am well aware of the language used by LBJ and Nixon. That is not my point.

My point is that the President of the US represents all of the people who are citizens. These comments of his were insulting to many American citizens.

The President also represents America to the rest of the world. What he said here is a shameful representation to the rest of the world.

As for "America being outraged" it may be that Trump was able to win by the slimmest of margins, but you should remember that this margin included many people who I expect have since reconsidered their decision to vote for him. We'll know for sure in a few months.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am well aware of the language used by LBJ and Nixon. That is not my point.

My point is that the President of the US represents all of the people who are citizens. These comments of his were insulting to many American citizens.

The President also represents America to the rest of the world. What he said here is a shameful representation to the rest of the world.

As for "America being outraged" it may be that Trump was able to win by the slimmest of margins, but you should remember that this margin included many people who I expect have since reconsidered their decision to vote for him. We'll know for sure in a few months.

He didn't insult any US citizens. Trump was in a closed door meeting trying to solve immigration problems. It was Dick Durbin who went public with this nonsense to score points with his base. The media has been smearing Trump to the rest the world for two years, just like they did Reagan and Bush.

Why is it that Pelosi can make comments about "5 white guys" and the media says nothing? She's not racist, and Trump is???

I have long been convinced that most Dems care nothing for minorities or immigrants. They simply use them as pawns to advance their agenda. They care nothing about the Dreamers, and never intended to pass laws. They actually want Trump to enforce our laws in March, exporting immigrants. These Dems are hypocrites. Go back and listen to what they said 10 years ago.

Congressman Smith (TX) said the same thing: "If the Democrats don’t want to negotiate, they’ll always come up with some excuse, and maybe this is an indication that they were never serious to begin with, but they’ll always come up with some reason not to negotiation, or make an excuse not to make concessions. This is just another distraction, another excuse for the Democrats to do that. I think when things settle down over the next several days we’ll find out whether the Democrats were really serious and want to have an immigration bill, want to try to something for some of the so-called DACA folks. We’ll know that in the next few days. It’ll be an indication of whether they’re negotiating in good faith whether they come back to the table."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

All Presidents swear. Are you so naive? LBJ was famous for chewing out those who opposed.

But you'd be singing a different tune if Obama had said it. As you would if Obama went around daily bragging about himself, and inflating his crowds, so forth and so on.

It's not the expletive per say. It's the racist implications. Haitians are black, Norwegians are white.

Originally Posted by Ohio

America is so bored to death with this liberal fake outrage on the mainstream media.

Not your omniscience again. Not fair. We don't have that. We're clearly at a disadvantage.. Either that or you're parroting Hannity.

Originally Posted by Ohio

OMG Trump drinks 12 cokes a day. He must be a racist!

Don't make me Bahahaha, it'll upset bro zeek. 12 cokes equal racism. Bah ......

Originally Posted by Ohio

The Dems just screwed the Dreamers. The deal is off the table. Durbin chose their smear tactics over real people. So much for the "compassionate" progressives. They just got exposed like Hollywood.

And Trump called it a "bill of love" too. He can't be a racist. He loves those brown people. So much that he'll give up his wall for them. Stupid dem's.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

But you'd be singing a different tune if Obama had said it. As you would if Obama went around daily bragging about himself, and inflating his crowds, so forth and so on.

That's not true. Said it a thousand times. Don't care what politicians say. Only care what they do.

Obama was a teleprompter orator protected by the Press. His gaffes rarely surfaced. The media hushed them all.

Originally Posted by awareness

It's not the expletive per say. It's the racist implications. Haitians are black, Norwegians are white.

Norwegians are "white" because they refused to join the EU. Sweden is no longer "white."

Haiti is a S******e because of their corrupt leaders installed by the Clintons, ask any of their people.

Remember: Trump is a "racist" because his parents came from Europe.

Unfortunately, you and I are "racists" too. We were born than way. Doesn't matter what we say or do.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have long been convinced that most Dems care nothing for minorities or immigrants. They simply use them as pawns to advance their agenda. They care nothing about the Dreamers, and never intended to pass laws. They actually want Trump to enforce our laws in March, exporting immigrants. These Dems are hypocrites. Go back and listen to what they said 10 years ago.

This has nothing to do with democrats. A high school teacher should be able to quote the president without getting fired. There are many teachers and administrators who have been fired for saying much less than what the President said. That is despicable.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This has nothing to do with democrats. A high school teacher should be able to quote the president without getting fired. There are many teachers and administrators who have been fired for saying much less than what the President said. That is despicable.

Don't blame Trump for rules at school.

Teachers work with juveniles, and I suppose Trump does too.

[zeek]

Compare Trump's question:

“Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?

with Nathanael's:

“Can anything good come out of Nazareth?”

Jesus came from a place that was considered a ****hole. Should Jesus be rejected because of that? No, and neither should the immigrant or refugee.

Jesus asks us to welcome the stranger.

Matthew 25:35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;

Even the Old Testament asks us to care for the stranger.

Exodus 22:21 “You shall neither mistreat a stranger nor oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

This is a pointed message to us in America, a nation of immigrants.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Jesus came from a place that was considered a ****hole. Should Jesus be rejected because of that? No, and neither should the immigrant or refugee.

Jesus asks us to welcome the stranger.

Even the Old Testament asks us to care for the stranger.

This is a pointed message to us in America, a nation of immigrants.

Contrary to liberal opinions, America is NOT a nation if immigrants, it is a nation of law-abiding citizens.

Nazareth was never considered a ****hole. Backwards, uneducated, and unlettered, yes. Perhaps the Samaritans were considered a ****hole.

Concerning the Old Testament Israel, Exodus 12:48 says, "But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it." Since you like to apply the scriptures to the USA, perhaps this is a good one to vet the immigrants with -- let them all be circumcised!

But seriously zeek, why don't you be honest here and admit that Trump was never against immigrants, only illegals.

[Ohio]

Democrats are once again calling President Donald Trump “racist” over an alleged remark attributed to him during immigration talks, yet they continue to wholeheartedly embrace an organization that aborts predominantly black and Hispanic babies.

About 59 million abortions have been performed in the country since the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, nearly 18 million of them on black babies. As Breitbart News has reported, the Alan Guttmacher Institute – a pro-abortion rights group – has also provided data showing that about 30 percent of all abortions in the U.S. are performed on black women, with another 25 percent performed on Hispanic women.

“Planned Parenthood was born in eugenic racism and elitism, and Margaret Sanger was the mother who gave birth to the world’s largest abortion chain,” Ryan Bomberger, chief creative officer of The Radiance Foundation, told Breitbart News last year. “In the city where Planned Parenthood began, more black babies are aborted than born alive according to the New York Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. This is not the result of justice. It’s the result of animus.”

HYPOCRITES!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's not true. Said it a thousand times. Don't care what politicians say. Only care what they do.

I get that bro Ohio, and I can't blame you. Most of what politicians say is just flapdoodle ... or con's. But sometimes saying something is doing something ... like Trump's tweets. And saying itholes of the sh kind was doing something. Trump was defining his immigration policy.

He didn't want blacks coming from itholes of the sh kind. He wants whites to immigrate to America. But why would Norwegians want to come to this ithole of the sh kind? A country where they're more likely to get shot, where there is no universal heathcare, like they have, plus free education to the highest levels, and paid parental leave, subsidized daycare, and more women in political power.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obama was a teleprompter orator protected by the Press. His gaffes rarely surfaced. The media hushed them all.

Why are conservatives so prone to conspiracy theories?

Originally Posted by Ohio

Norwegians are "white" because they refused to join the EU. Sweden is no longer "white."

What? Did they swap with Haiti? And Haiti is white now?

Originally Posted by Ohioi

Haiti is a S******e because of their corrupt leaders installed by the Clintons, ask any of their people.

Norwegians are saying these things. Fox news is. I call fake news. I'm surprised you didn't claim that they made a pact with the devil.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Remember: Trump is a "racist" because his parents came from Europe.

Unfortunately, you and I are "racists" too. We were born than way. Doesn't matter what we say or do.

Well I most certainly was raise by my father to be an outspoken virulent racist. You would have loved him. He would have hated president Blackenstein too.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Democrats are once again calling President Donald Trump “racist” over an alleged remark attributed to him during immigration talks, yet they continue to wholeheartedly embrace an organization that aborts predominantly black and Hispanic babies.



HYPOCRITES!

Balderdash. Fake news :

Abortion Correlation
Abortion rates have risen and fallen throughout presidencies of both parties, making drawing a direct correlation between the two untenable.

In 1969, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began collecting nationwide data on the numbers of abortions, the abortion ratio (abortions versus live births), and the abortion rate (abortions versus the US population of women aged 15-44 years old).

While these data are not perfect due to inconsistent (and sometimes non-existent) reporting from different states, they can be used to analyze relative changes in abortion rates during the presidencies of different presidential parties, as we will do here using numbers from the CDC’s annual abortion surveillance study. Red portions of the lines show the ratio and rates of abortions occurring under Republican administrations, and blue under Democratic administrations:

See the chart here :
https://www.snopes.com/abortion-rates-presidencies/

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Contrary to liberal opinions, America is NOT a nation if immigrants, it is a nation of law-abiding citizens.

Nazareth was never considered a ****hole. Backwards, uneducated, and unlettered, yes. Perhaps the Samaritans were considered a ****hole.

Concerning the Old Testament Israel, Exodus 12:48 says, "But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it." Since you like to apply the scriptures to the USA, perhaps this is a good one to vet the immigrants with -- let them all be circumcised!

But seriously zeek, why don't you be honest here and admit that Trump was never against immigrants, only illegals.

Trump could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and you'd support him. He satisfies your need for a cult leader now that you've left the local church. You're as faithful as a family dog when it comes to following powerful men. Or, so it seems from what you post here. You'd make a good hatchet man like Steve Miller. You should apply for a job with Trump. You can cite me as a reference.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and you'd support him. He satisfies your need for a cult leader now that you've left the local church. You're as faithful as a family dog when it comes to following powerful men. Or, so it seems from what you post here. You'd make a good hatchet man like Steve Miller. You should apply for a job with Trump. You can cite me as a reference.

Bunch of nonsense. Too bad a little common sense cannot infiltrate your hateful progressive mindset.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Balderdash. Fake news :

Abortion Correlation
Abortion rates have risen and fallen throughout presidencies of both parties, making drawing a direct correlation between the two untenable.

In 1969, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began collecting nationwide data on the numbers of abortions, the abortion ratio (abortions versus live births), and the abortion rate (abortions versus the US population of women aged 15-44 years old).

While these data are not perfect due to inconsistent (and sometimes non-existent) reporting from different states, they can be used to analyze relative changes in abortion rates during the presidencies of different presidential parties, as we will do here using numbers from the CDC’s annual abortion surveillance study. Red portions of the lines show the ratio and rates of abortions occurring under Republican administrations, and blue under Democratic administrations:

See the chart here :
https://www.snopes.com/abortion-rates-presidencies/

You never addressed the point.

Sure abortion rates have declined, but they are still vastly disproportionate for minorities.

Do you dispute that?

Do you dispute that the founder of the largest abortion provider today was a racist who's goal was to limit minorities thru abortion?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I get that bro Ohio, and I can't blame you. Most of what politicians say is just flapdoodle ... or con's. But sometimes saying something is doing something ... like Trump's tweets. And saying itholes of the sh kind was doing something. Trump was defining his immigration policy.

He didn't want blacks coming from itholes of the sh kind. He wants whites to immigrate to America. But why would Norwegians want to come to this ithole of the sh kind? A country where they're more likely to get shot, where there is no universal heathcare, like they have, plus free education to the highest levels, and paid parental leave, subsidized daycare, and more women in political power.


Why are conservatives so prone to conspiracy theories?


What? Did they swap with Haiti? And Haiti is white now?

Norwegians are saying these things. Fox news is. I call fake news. I'm surprised you didn't claim that they made a pact with the devil.


Well I most certainly was raise by my father to be an outspoken virulent racist. You would have loved him. He would have hated president Blackenstein too.

Obama called Libya an itshow of the sh kind.

Haven't heard that?

Obama was far more racist that Trump.

Plus he hated Christians and Jews.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You never addressed the point.

Sure abortion rates have declined, but they are still vastly disproportionate for minorities.

Do you dispute that?

Do you dispute that the founder of the largest abortion provider today was a racist who's goal was to limit minorities thru abortion?

What I dispute is that the demmies are to blame. If I remember correctly it was the Supreme Court that ruled for Roe v. Wade.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obama called Libya an itshow of the sh kind.

Haven't heard that?

Obama was far more racist that Trump.

Plus he hated Christians and Jews.

Does your omniscience kick in automatically?

[ZNPaaneah]

I have been trying to follow all of these posts and I think I have got it.

Ohio - doesn't like the Obama administration's legacy and does like Trump.

Awareness -- doesn't like what he sees with Trump, but didn't see anything not to like about Obama.

Does that sum it up?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

What I dispute is that the demmies are to blame. If I remember correctly it was the Supreme Court that ruled for Roe v. Wade.

Then I could agree that no Democrat-appointed SCOTUS justice has ever performed an actual abortion.

Thus, they bear no responsibility for the slaughter of millions, with minorities always profiled.

Is that the kind of dispute you are forwarding?

Is it not a little patronizing to call me "omniscient?" What gives?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I have been trying to follow all of these posts and I think I have got it.

Ohio - doesn't like the Obama administration's legacy and does like Trump.

Awareness -- doesn't like what he sees with Trump, but didn't see anything not to like about Obama.

Does that sum it up?

What bothers me the most is how the media and FBI/DOJ enabled the Obama administration to escape accountability for criminal actions: Using IRS to target Tea Party, Hilary private server, Uranium One, Steele Dossier, etc.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is it not a little patronizing to call me "omniscient?" What gives?

Sorry if it seems that way, but you display an uncanny ability to see into the minds of others, out here, and into those of liberals, like Obama.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Sorry if it seems that way, but you display an uncanny ability to see into the minds of others, out here, and into those of liberals, like Obama.

You and the liberal media judged Trump as a racist based on reading his mind.

I can't read minds like you can.

[Ohio]

I happened to catch MSNBC the other morning and this is prolly the most "damning" video on Trump and Bannon I have seen.

Well worth your watch.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You and the liberal media judged Trump as a racist based on reading his mind.

I can't read minds like you can.

Whether he is a racist or not, it has the appearance of evil. This is why if a teacher spoke these words they would be fired.

I have very close family relations from Norway. Yet I cannot see how the thought that we need to have more immigrants from Norway instead of from Haiti and Africa can be viewed as anything but racist. I don't know his heart, only God does, but the appearance of racism is undeniable.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Whether he is a racist or not, it has the appearance of evil. This is why if a teacher spoke these words they would be fired.

I have very close family relations from Norway. Yet I cannot see how the thought that we need to have more immigrants from Norway instead of from Haiti and Africa can be viewed as anything but racist. I don't know his heart, only God does, but the appearance of racism is undeniable.

Undeniable only to those who already hate Trump.

A racist person sees only racism. That is why white people are all condemned by liberals as "privileged and racist." You too!

A business man sees only worker productivity. He looks at work ethic, character, training, upbringing, etc.

A politician has to look at citizen safety.

School officials must protect minor children.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You and the liberal media judged Trump as a racist based on reading his mind.

I can't read minds like you can.

Then stop acting like it. OMG, why would I ever want to read Trump's mind? I'm not like the suckers that paid for his Trump University. I'm surprised you didn't. You could have become as successful as him.

I've never liked the narcissist that had to splash his name in large letters on buildings, and I watched his show just once. Not because I could read his mind, but because I couldn't take that he flashed his ego out on full display, and acted like the consummate big shot.

You seem to be able to read Obama's mind, why don't you do the same to Trump? Maybe you'd learn what you eventually learned about Witness Lee. Then maybe it wouldn't take you as long.

Really bro Ohio. I've heard of party first, but how can you fall for a personality cult leader? Maybe since you can't admit that he LC is a cult, you're still susceptible to it. So again you're headed for a great disappointment. But this is no Witness Lee, or Roy Moore. This is the guy that has The Biggest Button. Do I need to read his mind about that, or just his tweets?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Then stop acting like it. OMG, why would I ever want to read Trump's mind? I'm not like the suckers that paid for his Trump University. I'm surprised you didn't. You could have become as successful as him.

I've never liked the narcissist that had to splash his name in large letters on buildings, and I watched his show just once. Not because I could read his mind, but because I couldn't take that he flashed his ego out on full display, and acted like the consummate big shot.

You seem to be able to read Obama's mind, why don't you do the same to Trump? Maybe you'd learn what you eventually learned about Witness Lee. Then maybe it wouldn't take you as long.

Really bro Ohio. I've heard of party first, but how can you fall for a personality cult leader? Maybe since you can't admit that he LC is a cult, you're still susceptible to it. So again you're headed for a great disappointment. But this is no Witness Lee, or Roy Moore. This is the guy that has The Biggest Button. Do I need to read his mind about that, or just his tweets?

Wow!

You having a bad day? Try to stay warm!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Wow!

You having a bad day? Try to stay warm!

There you go, reading my mind again. But this time you're spot on.

I'm not having problems staying warm. I keep the stove hot. In fact I'm thinking of opening a door. It's hot in here.

Actually, and this is where your omniscience comes in, I've been having bad days for over a week now. My septic is clogged. This is not the time of year to dig my septic tank up. I've been going in honey bucks. Which is puzzling. I've looked. For the life of me I can't find any honey in there. Just it of the sh kind.

Even tho I'm white Trump wouldn't like me. I'm living in a ithole, of the sh kind.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Even tho I'm white Trump wouldn't like me. I'm living in a ithole, of the sh kind.

Gives new meaning to the term "oval office".

[zeek]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...-division.html
This morning, Fox News marked the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday by publishing the article I linked above with the headline "Please stop politicizing Martin Luther King Day. It's a day for national unity, not political division."


Fox is deliberately revising what this day means -- and distorting what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought for and actually believed. He knew that his life and the work of racial and economic justice were antithetical to a cheap, easy comfortable status quo.

With a GOP aministration in the White House, working with Fox News to reinforce white supremacy and attack Black protest, it's worth remembering exactly what Dr. King actually said about racial justice, economic justice, and politics. Here are a few key ideas Dr. King stated or wrote during his life:

"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." -- Letter from Birmingham Jail, April 1963

"We must recognize that we can't solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can't really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order." -- Report to SCLC staff, May 1967

"Why is equality so assiduously avoided? Why does white America delude itself, and how does it rationalize the evil it retains?

The majority of white Americans consider themselves sincerely committed to justice for the Negro. They believe that American society is essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth toward a middle-class Utopia embodying racial harmony. But unfortunately this is a fantasy of self-deception and comfortable vanity...


Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn.

The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash." -- "Where do we go from here?" August 1967

"Our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. Even before there were large numbers of Negroes on our shore, the scar of racial hatred had already disfigured colonial society.

From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles over racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade.

Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it. Our children are still taught to respect the violence which reduced a red-skinned people of an earlier culture into a few fragmented groups herded into impoverished reservations." - "Why We Can't Wait, 1963"

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...-division.html
This morning, Fox News marked the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday by publishing the article I linked above with the headline "Please stop politicizing Martin Luther King Day. It's a day for national unity, not political division."


Fox is deliberately revising what this day means -- and distorting what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought for and actually believed. He knew that his life and the work of racial and economic justice were antithetical to a cheap, easy comfortable status quo.

With a GOP aministration in the White House, working with Fox News to reinforce white supremacy and attack Black protest, it's worth remembering exactly what Dr. King actually said about racial justice, economic justice, and politics. Here are a few key ideas Dr. King stated or wrote during his life:

"Shallow understanding" and "Lukewarm acceptance" are two very judgmental terms.

"White america" and "White moderates" are two very racists terms.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

"Shallow understanding" and "Lukewarm acceptance" are two very judgmental terms.

"White america" and "White moderates" are two very racists terms.

ZNP, don't you fear being called a racist?

I understand there is a way out for you. You can claim to be white on the outside, but black on the inside. Apparently it's becoming very popular in liberal circles. Just get your hair frizzed out like former DNC chair DWS. Kind of like a rotten potato, but better than an Oreo.

And, btw, they will excommunicate you for sacrilege if you infer that MLK said something/anything racist.

[Ohio]

zeek, thanks for posting these quotes. I used to respect MLK, though I admit that I knew little about him.

MLK: Our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race. Even before there were large numbers of Negroes on our shore, the scar of racial hatred had already disfigured colonial society.

From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles over racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade.

MLK may have been a "doctor," but he apparently never studied a page of real history. History is filled with those who attempted to wipe out indigenous peoples. Start with Mexico and Canada, our closest neighbors, and keep going.

[Ohio]

Palestinians Attempt to Bomb 1,000 Jewish Pilgrims Visiting Joseph’s Tomb, Judaism’s Third Holiest Site

How long will liberal progressives cling to the lie that Palestinians are "victims?"

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Palestinians Attempt to Bomb 1,000 Jewish Pilgrims Visiting Joseph’s Tomb, Judaism’s Third Holiest Site

How long will liberal progressives cling to the lie that Palestinians are "victims?"

How long is the world going to deny the reality on the ground? This map shows the expansion and occupation of the Jews in Palestine since 1946. The green is the Palestinians, the white is the Jews.:

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

How long is the world going to deny the reality on the ground? This map shows the expansion and occupation of the Jews in Palestine since 1946. The green is the Palestinians, the white is the Jews.:

Your map is bogus. Palestine never was a country.

The land was a desert and uninhabitable until Israel got there.

You also conveniently forgot a few wars in which Israel was attacked by all her mooslum neighbors.

Are you anti-Semitic? Then you must be a white supremacist. How does that make you feel? You are on the same side of history as Hitler.

Sound crazy? That's exactly how the media sounds to me.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

"Shallow understanding" and "Lukewarm acceptance" are two very judgmental terms. "White america" and "White moderates" are two very racists terms.

It's almost impossible to reason about people without making judgments in terms of typical-case prototypes. One should recognize that these are generalities and that may not apply in any given particular case.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

It's almost impossible to reason about people without making judgments in terms of typical-case prototypes. One should recognize that these are generalities and that may not apply in any given particular case.

I begin my class every year with an ice breaker, two truths and a lie.

My students have no trouble believing the following (all of which are true):

1. One of my classmates in High school was the son of the bass player for the Rolling stones.

2. One of my classmates in High school was heir to the throne of England

3. The most famous person from my High school was a high school dropout.

4. The most famous person from my university was a university drop out.

5. At 12 years old my dad was rescuing sailors from the Arizona at Pearl Harbor.

But here is the one that they just cannot believe

6. My Uncle's house was bombed by the KKK in Jackson Ms.

(They are like -- wait, was he white?).

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek, thanks for posting these quotes. I used to respect MLK, though I admit that I knew little about him.

MLK may have been a "doctor," but he apparently never studied a page of real history. History is filled with those who attempted to wipe out indigenous peoples. Start with Mexico and Canada, our closest neighbors, and keep going.

King's doctorate was in theology. Of course, you are overstating your argument, but, yes, he was wrong about the history of genocide. Surprisingly, he overlooked the divinely-mandated genocide of ancient Israel according to the Hebrew Torah.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

King's doctorate was in theology. Of course, you are overstating your argument, but, yes, he was wrong about the history of genocide. Surprisingly, he overlooked the divinely-mandated genocide of ancient Israel according to the Hebrew Torah.

And historian scholars attribute that "divinely-mandated genocide of ancient Canaan" due to their hideous practice of child sacrifice.

When the Spaniard Cortez found the same religious practices in the New World, he wiped out the Aztec armies. The Mayan and Incan civilizations had the same evil customs.

Judeo-Christianity, in contrast to all pagan religions, has done more to eliminate genocide that anything else. And I include the RCC of the dark ages to be a pagan religion, worshiping Mary and the idols.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I begin my class every year with an ice breaker, two truths and a lie.

My students have no trouble believing the following (all of which are true):

1. One of my classmates in High school was the son of the bass player for the Rolling stones.

2. One of my classmates in High school was heir to the throne of England

3. The most famous person from my High school was a high school dropout.

4. The most famous person from my university was a university drop out.

5. At 12 years old my dad was rescuing sailors from the Arizona at Pearl Harbor.

But here is the one that they just cannot believe

6. My Uncle's house was bombed by the KKK in Jackson Ms.

(They are like -- wait, was he white?).

Teasers, no doubt. Do you plan to reveal their identities?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Teasers, no doubt. Do you plan to reveal their identities?

Bill Wyman's son, 16th in line to the throne, Norman Rockwell, Howard Hughes, my dad's father was a captain in the navy and his backyard was less than 100 yards from where the Arizona was docked.

Uncle -- Bob Kochtitzky (he was working with black churches).

BTW I went to two different High Schools, one in England and one in NY.

[ZNPaaneah]

I find something incredibly insulting with the news that is not even being commented on. How many people are in this meeting with the President of the US and are not listening to the president when he is speaking?! That is just disrespectful and insulting. I can't believe they are acknowledging this publicly!

Also, I was told by Trump that he was going to get the best and brightest for his cabinet and we have dottering fools that can't hear what he says, can't remember what he says and don't even realize that Norway is a white country. Can't we find a few qualified people to work in our government?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I find something incredibly insulting with the news that is not even being commented on. How many people are in this meeting with the President of the US and are not listening to the president when he is speaking?! That is just disrespectful and insulting. I can't believe they are acknowledging this publicly!

Also, I was told by Trump that he was going to get the best and brightest for his cabinet and we have dottering fools that can't hear what he says, can't remember what he says and don't even realize that Norway is a white country. Can't we find a few qualified people to work in our government?

Obama had the brightest Ivy Leaguers, and they could not hear either.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I find something incredibly insulting with the news that is not even being commented on. How many people are in this meeting with the President of the US and are not listening to the president when he is speaking?! That is just disrespectful and insulting. I can't believe they are acknowledging this publicly!

Also, I was told by Trump that he was going to get the best and brightest for his cabinet and we have dottering fools that can't hear what he says, can't remember what he says and don't even realize that Norway is a white country. Can't we find a few qualified people to work in our government?

Perhaps they're afraid to talk. Everything in the White House is unofficially classified "Top Secret." Bannon told lawmakers investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election that the White House instructed him not to answer questions related to his tenure as a top White House adviser. He owes nothing to the Constitutionally empowered Congress or the American people. Fear rules.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Perhaps they're afraid to talk. Everything in the White House is unofficially classified "Top Secret." Bannon told lawmakers investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election that the White House instructed him not to answer questions related to his tenure as a top White House adviser. He owes nothing to the Constitutionally empowered Congress or the American people. Fear rules.

Or perhaps "countries like Norway" is code for Russia.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Or perhaps "countries like Norway" is code for Russia.

Chris Plante, talk radio, on current DACA legislation: "If the Left didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all."

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Or perhaps "countries like Norway" is code for Russia.

That's funny.

“A president beholden to Russia had been installed in the Oval Office: the most successful foreign espionage attempt against the United States in the nation’s history. And from beginning to end, the president’s political party rallied to protect him — and itself — from investigation, exposure, and consequences.”

“Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic,” by respected conservative author David Frum.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

“A president beholden to Russia had been installed in the Oval Office: the most successful foreign espionage attempt against the United States in the nation’s history. And from beginning to end, the president’s political party rallied to protect him — and itself — from investigation, exposure, and consequences.

Nonsensical accusations without a shred of evidence.

Now we know that the Obama/ Clinton "Russian Reset" was treasonous actions to enable Russia to gain control of our limited uranium reserves in exchanged for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's US dollars.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

“A president beholden to Russia had been installed in the Oval Office: the most successful foreign espionage attempt against the United States in the nation’s history. And from beginning to end, the president’s political party rallied to protect him — and itself — from investigation, exposure, and consequences.

Nonsensical accusations without a shred of evidence.

Now we know that the Obama/ Clinton "Russian Reset" was treasonous actions to enable Russia to gain control of our limited uranium reserves in exchanged for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's US dollars.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Nonsensical accusations without a shred of evidence.

Now we know that the Obama/ Clinton "Russian Reset" was treasonous actions to enable Russia to gain control of our limited uranium reserves in exchanged for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's US dollars.

Absolutely absurd, no one would believe such a thing. It would be like a story of Israel installing a spy as the Secretary of Defense for Syria. Actually, bad example since that did happen.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Chris Plante, talk radio, on current DACA legislation: "If the Left didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all."

So much for trying to respect and understand those that disagree with you.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So much for trying to respect and understand those that disagree with you.

On the contrary, that statement displays a prudent understanding of progressive views based on a multitude of actual facts.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Absolutely absurd, no one would believe such a thing. It would be like a story of Israel installing a spy as the Secretary of Defense for Syria. Actually, bad example since that did happen.

There is no way we can compare Israel's intelligence operations, based on their survival being surrounded by enemies hundredfold more than they, with claims of Russian collusion, now going on more than a year without evidence.

Unless, of course, the FBI special prosecutor wants to convict every one in Wash DC of "lying."

[zeek]

"An American president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Chris Plante, talk radio, on current DACA legislation: "If the Left didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all."

As y'all prolly know I'm a fan of laughter (if there's no laughter there's a problem). And bro ZNP, that statement by Plante had to have had bro Ohio spittin' coffee, and rolling on the floor.

The only problem I have with it is not that liberals have no standards at all, but rather that it ignores the same about conservatives that support Trump.

I'm delighted bro Ohio got a kick out of it. I just don't get how he can support either party. I'm hoping that, as he continues to get the local church out of his system, he'll learn better.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

"An American president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger."

Where was Congress when Obama/Clinton sold out our country's uranium?

Is it really fair to constantly condemn an American president for eating McDonald's and diet cokes during his campaign? Is is really fair to mercilessly attack his wife and children? His mental health, to the point he has to put his doctor in the WH Press Room.

Sorry, zeek, but your opposition has become a blinding hatred. I did not like Obama's policies, but it never reached the venomous rancor we see today.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

As y'all prolly know I'm a fan of laughter (if there's no laughter there's a problem). And bro ZNP, that statement by Plante had to have had bro Ohio spittin' coffee, and rolling on the floor.

The only problem I have with it is not that liberals have no standards at all, but rather that it ignores the same about conservatives that support Trump.

I'm delighted bro Ohio got a kick out of it. I just don't get how he can support either party. I'm hoping that, as he continues to get the local church out of his system, he'll learn better.

I don't support either party. Never gave them a penny.

And I won't drink coffee at the 'puter since I trashed the last one with a cup of coffee.

When Clinton was prez, we heard the daily drumbeat about "not his personal life, but job performance." The stock market was booming at the time Clinton was hitting on the interns.

But the libs won't use those same "standards" with Trump. Hence, the appropriate quote from Plante.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

"An American president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger."

Here are the 80 questions that were asked of Trump's doctor. Where is the precedent for this in history? These are from senior White House correspondents, from all major news outlets. Talk about nonsense! But in your little liberal echo chamber, this is all "legit."

1. Dr. Jackson, how much weight have you suggested the President lose? And he has not exactly been enthusiastic about exercising. The President kind of believes that we all have a finite battery — why waste it on exercising when you can put it toward other pursuits. What did you counsel him about that?
2. There have been some questions as part of your exam — I’m wondering if you talked to the President about this — about the President’s mental fitness. He has pushed back on that calling himself a “stable genius”. Can you assess the President’s mental fitness for office?
3. So to follow up, the President’s personal doctor memorably said during the campaign that he would be the “healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.” Do you agree with that assessment?
4. There was an incident recently where the President appeared to slur his words while giving an address. Did you look into what the cause of that might have been at all?
5. Just to follow up, some people have suggested that could be related to dentures. Does the President wear dentures?
6. I wanted to ask you two questions, one is about the ejection fraction. My wife suffers from that so I clued in on the 60 percent. Is that a concern going forward for him because that, in some cases, indicates low activity in the heart?
7. A second follow up on the cholesterol. Over 220, do you hope to get it under 200?
8. Anyway, with the low — I understand that the blood pressure was within norms, but with the high cholesterol, are there any concerns for his heart health?
9. Dr. Jackson, thank you. Could you just elaborate, in layman’s terms, if possible — and you’ve been doing a great job of that — what you ruled out in these cognitive tests?
10. And the tips part? Did you recommend he make any changes — lifestyle, behavioral, anything?
11. You ordered some pretty intensive tests, including a CT scan of his chest and a transesophageal echocardiogram. Did he need to be sedated at all? Was there something you were worried about specifically in giving the CT scan?
12. And he does have heart disease, is that what you said? Because he had a CT scan before that showed calcium in his coronary blood vessels.
13. Dr. Jackson, if I might ask a question that follows on the philosophy of the fitness of the President — The 25th Amendment, a lot of people in the country have been talking about it. It basically contemplates that a group of Senate-confirmed laymen will weigh in on whether the President is able to discharge the duties of the office. You, as the President’s physician, have certainly given this some thought over the years since you’ve been in your role. On what basis would you — and this is just a philosophical question — advise the Cabinet that the President is unable to discharge his duties? How does that bar get met?
14. Do believe he is fit for duty?
15. How can you determine that? Yeah, how can you determine that for the whole — I mean, you can’t determine it for four years out, right?
16. So you talked about dealing with President Trump on a daily basis. Can you talk a bit about him as a patient, like what type of patient he is?
17. Does he take all of your advice?
18. And you also talked about — since you were dealing with him on a daily basis, has he had any ongoing illness or anything like that?
19. You talked about giving him Sudafed. Sometimes it sounds like he has the sniffles when he’s talking. Does he have any allergies or anything like that?
20. Dr. Jackson, just to make sure we’re clear on this — when you analyzed his cognitive ability or neurological functions, that is not the same thing as a psychiatric exam or psychological exam, correct?
21. Dr. Jackson, does the President do anything at all right now in terms of exercise? What is his daily exercise routine, if there is one?
22. You said you were discussing that with him. What are you discussing? What would you like to see him start doing?
23. But can you explain to me how a guy who eats McDonald’s and (inaudible) and all those diet cokes and who never exercises, is in as good as shape as you say he’s in?
24. Oh, thank you. You mentioned that you gave the President a cognitive test. Was that the Mini-Mental State Examination or the (inaudible) test? And if not, can you tell us what specific cognitive test you gave him?
25. Thanks very much. Just a couple of things. Do you have a life-expectancy range for him based on his results?
26. Number two, what exactly does the exercise and eating plan look like?
27. Is it you’re going to put an elliptical machine next to the bedroom and he’s going to use it? What does that look like?
28. Did you see any evidence of bone spurs, which the President said that he suffered from?
29. The specifics of the dietary and exercise plan — what’s in store?
30. Is he limited to one scoop of ice cream now?
31. Dr. Jackson, one follow-up question. There isn’t anything that’s a part of the President’s health records or his overall physical fitness, or any medications that he’s taking that you’re not permitted to tell us? Is there anything you’re keeping from us for privacy reasons?
32. Doctor, can you say — given the President’s age, he’s somewhat of a peer to where President Reagan was at this time in his presidency. Can you say — given that there is scrutiny of what was overlooked at the time with President Reagan, in terms of Alzheimer’s and things he was then known to suffer from at a later date, can you say whether the test that you ran would exclude any of those things and what the possibility of overlooking something like that would be? You know, how can you tell the American people that this time you’re certain?
33. Can I ask a quick question about PSAs? Are you confident of his prostate health? You recited a very low PSA. Are you certain that’s not a product of finasteride masking?
34. Dr. Jackson, did you take a waist measurement for the President? His weight — I think you said 239, right? That seems — I think that’s just shy of obesity, right? So you’re confident of that number, and did you do any measurements?
35. Because of his age, will you conduct cognitive testing in the future? Because of his age, in continuing his physicals in the future, will you also continue the cognitive testing?
36. Dr. Jackson, it’s recommended that most baby boomers get screened for hepatitis C. Did you do a hep C test, or has he had one previously?
37. Doctor, thank you. You talked a little bit about his diet here at the White House. Can you flesh that out a little bit? What specifically is he eating? Is he eating lots of chicken and fishes and white meat?
38. Does he take any sleep aids? What about here at the White House? Just when he travels?
39. How much sleep does he get, on average?
40. Dr. Jackson, can you say whether your prediction of good health and no serious events for years to come still holds if the President does not make changes to his diet and starts to exercise? Is that still your professional medical opinion? And then, also, can you just tell us how long the examination was, sort of, start to finish, and how many people were involved?
41. How long was the entire — the entirety of the exam? And how many people were involved?
42. Thank you, Dr. Jackson. Was there anything that the President or anyone else specifically said for you not to mention today?
43. And just to follow up on that, some of the President’s friends have told reporters in the past that they think he’s a germophobe, that he washes his hands obsessively and is concerned about that. Have you seen any indication of that type of behavior being around the President?
44. How would you characterize the President’s health to an average 71-year-old American male?
45. Is that just cardiac, or is it everything?
46. Just to be clear, though, Dr. Jackson, he is taking a cholesterol-lowering medication, he has evidence of heart disease, and he’s borderline obese. Can you characterize that as excellent health?
47. You said there were some stroke concerns? You just said there were stroke concerns as well?
48. What about potential diabetic changes as a result of his weight?
49. I know his pressure is real good, but what about potential because of the weight as he gets older?
50. Did you test his hearing?
51. Does the President — when the President has his colonoscopy at the next physical, will he be sedated?
52. And when that happens, are you a part of the decision-making process on handing over power to the Vice President or whoever while he’s sedated?
53. Dr. Jackson, thank you. You say that the President was the one who requested the cognitive test, that it wasn’t necessarily needed for someone of his age. Did you — did he tell you why he wanted it done? There’s been a lot of speculation out there about his cognitive state. Was he upset with some of that talk? What were the discussions that you had from when he told you, “this is why I want to do it”? Why did he say he wanted to do it?
54. Was there any one incident that kind of made him say, hey, this is something I want to do, or was it just a collection of voices of criticisms? No, I mean, like outside criticisms?
55. On the President’s stress level, in your conversations in your examinations, did he express any change in how stressful this job, or lack of stress that he has experienced as a result of becoming President?
56. And if I could follow up on the questions of a few of my colleagues regarding an exercise routine for the President. You said you’ve had these conversations with him. Could you take us through some specific exercises that you and the President are considering as you look at this routine?
57. Does he watch too much TV? From a sedentary lifestyle sort of perspective, should he cut back on that? But you get why I’m asking, because of the seated sort of aspect of television-watching versus the active lifestyle part of it.
58. Doctor, you’ve examined him and performed a cognitive assessment. What is your take of all the doctors and clinicians all across the country who have said that, in this President, they see symptoms of this, that, and the other? Well, symptoms of dementia.
59. How would you describe his diet before he became President? A lot has been said about too much McDonald’s, too many burgers. Do you think it was problematic?
60. Thank you. You said you’re not sure how much sleep he gets a night, but you assume it’s between four to five hours. Does that concern you? Would you recommend him to try to get more sleep?
61. Did you tell the current President about his predecessor’s exercise routine? And does this President ask you about how he could follow his predecessor’s example to be as fit as Barack Obama was?
62. And a second question, do you keep a tally of how much golf the U.S. President plays? That is something the press office repeatedly does not tell us. Do you keep a tally? And do you consider that exercise?
63. Dr. Jackson, does the President take any medications that you haven’t disclosed here today?
64. Can you give us an idea of exactly what that cognitive exam involved over that half hour? And does that conclusively rule out any further psychological exam?
65. Do you have any concerns about the President’s use of Twitter?
66. Thank you, Dr. Jackson. The President is the first lifelong teetotaler and nonsmoker to sit in the Oval Office since President Jimmy Carter. Can you say that that’s extended his life in any way and makes him unusually healthier for his age?
67. Thank you. You mentioned a whole bunch of doctors that participated in Friday’s exam. And there are other questions that were asked today about the President’s emotional health. Is there anyone on the President’s medical team, such as a psychiatrist or psychologist, whose job it is to monitor the President’s emotional state or watch for potential psychiatric problems or indicators of those?
68. Did you make any wellness recommendations to the President against the burnout — mental burnout, first and foremost, like meditation, or mindfulness? Where do you stand on that?
69. Realistically, what do you think you’re going to get him to do as far as exercise? Tell him I’ll be his exercise buddy if he needs one.
70. Yes. Thank you, Doctor. Will your office be working with the White House Chef at all, (inaudible) in terms of formulating what kind of diet he’s going to need?
71. You made a statement saying that you expect the President to be in good health for the duration of his term, or even a second term, if he gets it. Was there a specific request from the President to make that statement, or from anyone in the administration or from anyone in the White House?
72. You’ve been answering questions here for more than 50 minutes, by my take, which I think is really extraordinary. Is that an indication of the President’s desire to put all these rumors and questions to rest, once and for all?
73. Will you commit to doing this next year?
74. Dr. Jackson, just one more question about the Montreal exam and other, sort of, mini mental status exams. They’re pretty good but they’re not really sensitive to someone who’s already high-functioning. They’re not really good at finding early stages of dementia. If the President is worried about it, would you recommend more sophisticated exams?
75. Are you saying — this is my ignorance — but are we saying that, because of Reagan — all right, we had some of the issues with Reagan — and the issues about this President, cognitive testing, mental acuity testing, is not commonly part of an annual physical with the President of the United States?
76. With the power that he wields, should it not be?
77. The President playing golf a lot, almost every weekend. Is that helpful for his health?
78. Dr. Jackson, thank you. You said he doesn’t drink and he doesn’t smoke, and other than the diet issue, did you address drug addiction?
79. Thanks. So could you give a sense on how involved the First Family is in this — the First Lady, his daughter, others — in encouraging him to be — step up on the exercise?
80. My question was, with all the questions that have been asked, going back to that issue, everyone has asked about mental acuity. Those questions have been in the public. And he told Sarah to tell you to stay up here until those questions are answered. Going forward, would you recommend that Presidents undergo that type of testing?

[Ohio]

Rumor has it that Obama refused to take the widely respected and difficult mental acuity test.

But now that Trump’s doctor, who was also the White House doctor for Barack Obama and George W. Bush, has announced that the president got a perfect score on a widely respected and difficult mental acuity test — a 30 out of 30 — what we have here is yet another instance where the entire mainstream media has egg all over their face after betraying the American people with lies and conspiracy theories.

• Trump will never run for president.
• Trump will never release his financial disclosure forms.
• Trump can’t win the Republican nomination.
• Trump can’t win the presidency.
• Trump can’t win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.
• Trump will crash the stock market.
• Trump will put all American Muslims on a list.
• Trump will launch mass deportations.
• Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will blow up the Middle East
• Trump will not be able to work with congress to pass his agenda.
• Trump colluded with the Russians.
• Trump lied about Obama spying on him.
• Trump only wants to be popular so he will do what the polls tell him.
• Trump is mentally ill.

Again and again and again, our media is caught red-handed lying to the public, wildly misleading them with narratives built on hate, conspiracy theories, ignorance, and a provincial herd mentality.

[awareness]

Eric Trump: My Dad Isn’t Racist Because He Only ‘Sees 1 Color, Green’
“That’s all he cares about.”

[awareness]

This is frightening :

Donald Trump’s terrifying plan to win the 2018 midterms

"In private conversations, Trump has told advisers that he doesn’t think the 2018 election has to be as bad as others are predicting. He has referenced the 2002 midterms, when George W. Bush and Republicans fared better after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, these people said."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...umps-2018-plan

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Rumor has it that Obama refused to take the widely respected and difficult mental acuity test.

But now that Trump’s doctor, who was also the White House doctor for Barack Obama and George W. Bush, has announced that the president got a perfect score on a widely respected and difficult mental acuity test — a 30 out of 30 — what we have here is yet another instance where the entire mainstream media has egg all over their face after betraying the American people with lies and conspiracy theories.

• Trump will never run for president.
• Trump will never release his financial disclosure forms.
• Trump can’t win the Republican nomination.
• Trump can’t win the presidency.
• Trump can’t win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.
• Trump will crash the stock market.
• Trump will put all American Muslims on a list.
• Trump will launch mass deportations.
• Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will blow up the Middle East
• Trump will not be able to work with congress to pass his agenda.
• Trump colluded with the Russians.
• Trump lied about Obama spying on him.
• Trump only wants to be popular so he will do what the polls tell him.
• Trump is mentally ill.

Again and again and again, our media is caught red-handed lying to the public, wildly misleading them with narratives built on hate, conspiracy theories, ignorance, and a provincial herd mentality.

Yeah, Trump is a super hero. And Dubya and Obama can suck it. They aren't even worthy to tie his shoe laces.

So now we don't need a free press. Our founding fathers were wrong, because they didn't know a president like Trump would come along.

Cuz, even when he's wrong he's right. But Stormy says he's just not good in the sack ... that's all ... no big deal ... except maybe to Melania ... who, btw, is being well taken care of otherwise.

I'm very tired of winning.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yeah, Trump is a super hero. And Dubya and Obama can suck it. They aren't even worthy to tie his shoe laces.

So now we don't need a free press. Our founding fathers were wrong, because they didn't know a president like Trump would come along.

You sound like an extremist -- since the media purported so much fake news -- Trump is a super hero and shut down the Press?????

How about a free Press, and not a biased Press? How about giving credit where credit is due??? How about a dose of fairness??? Honesty??? How about leaving his family out??? Is that really too much to ask for???

I did notice that my liberal friends have stopped whining about Russia collusion. Perhaps an apology for false accusations is too much to ask for.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You sound like an extremist -- since the media purported so much fake news -- Trump is a super hero and shut down the Press?????

How about a free Press, and not a biased Press? How about giving credit where credit is due??? How about a dose of fairness??? Honesty??? How about leaving his family out??? Is that really too much to ask for???

I did notice that my liberal friends have stopped whining about Russia collusion. Perhaps an apology for false accusations is too much to ask for.

A free press is a free press ... and can do all those awful things you list. It's the nature of a free press ; an amendment as valid as the 2nd amendment.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

A free press is a free press ... and can do all those awful things you list. It's the nature of a free press ; an amendment as valid as the 2nd amendment.

They are not "free," but quite costly to our republic. Totalitarian regimes also claim to have a "free" press.

The purpose of the Press is to serve the people, and the press today, so biased and hateful to all conservatives, does not serve us.

They are only serving themselves, and their rich liberal elites. They have lost their value in the democratic process.

[Ohio]

Highly-Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards

Below are the winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards.

1. The New York Times’ Paul Krugman claimed on the day of President Trump’s historic, landslide victory that the economy would never recover.

2. ABC News' Brian Ross CHOKES and sends markets in a downward spiral with false report.

3. CNN FALSELY reported that candidate Donald Trump and his son Donald J. Trump, Jr. had access to hacked documents from WikiLeaks.

4. TIME FALSELY reported that President Trump removed a bust of Martin Luther King, Jr. from the Oval Office.

5. Washington Post FALSELY reported the President’s massive sold-out rally in Pensacola, Florida was empty. Dishonest reporter showed picture of empty arena HOURS before crowd started pouring in.

6. CNN FALSELY edited a video to make it appear President Trump defiantly overfed fish during a visit with the Japanese prime minister. Japanese prime minister actually led the way with the feeding.

7. CNN FALSELY reported about Anthony Scaramucci’s meeting with a Russian, but retracted it due to a “significant breakdown in process.”

8. Newsweek FALSELY reported that Polish First Lady Agata Kornhauser-Duda did not shake President Trump’s hand.

9. CNN FALSELY reported that former FBI Director James Comey would dispute President Trump’s claim that he was told he is not under investigation.

10. The New York Times FALSELY claimed on the front page that the Trump administration had hidden a climate report.

11. And last, but not least: "RUSSIA COLLUSION!" Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I don't support either party. Never gave them a penny.

So you just seem to be supporting a party? You just don't put your money where your mouth is?

Originally Posted by Ohio

But the libs won't use those same "standards" with Trump.

It cuts both ways. Fox news really established itself with the Clinton sex scandals, but aren't using the same standard with Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So you just seem to be supporting a party? You just don't put your money where your mouth is?

It cuts both ways. Fox news really established itself with the Clinton sex scandals, but aren't using the same standard with Trump.

Really? So how much money did you give Nancy Pelosi?

Do you really have evidence that Trump is in the Oval Office alone with interns?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Really? So how much money did you give Nancy Pelosi?

I don't support Pelosi with my mouth or money. I dislike like her with the same dislike I have for Hillary.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Do you really have evidence that Trump is in the Oval Office alone with interns?

Well not yet. But his lawyers can maybe fix that.

But seriousness aside ... haha ... you dodged my point. Fox News was fierce against Clinton, and ALL his sexual escapades. The intern in the Oval was just their cherry on top.

But they are not applying the same standard to Trump. Why is that bro Ohio?

Originally Posted by Ohio

I don't support either party.

I had to revisit this statement. And I say :

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't support Pelosi with my mouth or money. I dislike like her with the same dislike I have for Hillary.


Well not yet. But his lawyers can maybe fix that.

But seriousness aside ... haha ... you dodged my point. Fox News was fierce against Clinton, and ALL his sexual escapades. The intern in the Oval was just their cherry on top.

But they are not applying the same standard to Trump. Why is that bro

There are some folks at Fox who care little for Trump, and love to expose his tweeter gaffes. Chris Wallace, for one, comes to mind. He is a never Trumper like Flake and McCain, and regularly demeans Trump.

But the Fox evening lineup -- Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham -- are definitely Trump supporters.

But looking back, what Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky should never have been publicized or prosecuted. It was consensual, though tawdry, and how could anyone blame Clinton for lying to protect his marriage/reputation. I don't condone what he and Hilary did to the other women though.

But the point you are missing is not just political slant, but accuracy, as evidenced by those Fake News Awards. Fox obviously vets their news far more carefully. They value accuracy. They don't allow right wing commentators to sling outrageous lies around.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There are some folks at Fox who care little for Trump, and love to expose his tweeter gaffes. Chris Wallace, for one, comes to mind. He is a never Trumper like Flake and McCain, and regularly demeans Trump.

But the Fox evening lineup -- Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham -- are definitely Trump supporters.

But looking back, what Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky should never have been publicized or prosecuted. It was consensual, though tawdry, and how could anyone blame Clinton for lying to protect his marriage/reputation. I don't condone what he and Hilary did to the other women though.

But the point you are missing is not just political slant, but accuracy, as evidenced by those Fake News Awards. Fox obviously vets their news far more carefully. They value accuracy. They don't allow right wing commentators to sling outrageous lies around.

That was an honest and balanced reply. But you do get my point, that, Trump, not just at Fox, is not being held to the same standards as Clinton.

And with the internet everything is public. This is especially true for politicians.

In Touch reveals Stormy Daniels and it goes viral. But conservatives don't care, that he cheated while just married, nor do the Evangelicals that put Trump in office care. But if it was Clinton, they'd be going ballistic.

And if it was Obama they'd be having their heyday. Dislike Obama all you want, but he never had a sexual scandal, and seems to be the ideal family man. Go figure. Hate Obama, who was clean, and love Trump, who is dirty, multiple times.

Something don't make sense. More on that soon.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

That was an honest and balanced reply. But you do get my point, that, Trump, not just at Fox, is not being held to the same standards as Clinton.

Trump just spoke at the 45th annual Right to Life March. First time ever.

If you value the life of the unborn, you love a President who also supports them. Christians are a forgiving people. Many consider Kings David as an example of one whose personal morals, though inexcusable, yet were forgiven.

Obviously Trump has changed over time. Sure he has a closet of skeletons. Two years ago, conservatives had no idea where he stood on a number of issues. His SCOTUS appointee was pivotal to many.

But don't tell me that Obama was "clean." His skeletons were far more objectionable to many Americans, the least of which was citizenship. Anyone who saw the forensics analysis of his birth certificate and selective service card knew that. He was a closet Muslim. He called his wife "Michael." His chief strategist Jarrett, was an Iranian Muslim Communist. There was just too much going on in his life, to call him "clean."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Trump just spoke at the 45th annual Right to Life March. First time ever.

If you value the life of the unborn, you love a President who also supports them. Christians are a forgiving people. Many consider Kings David as an example of one whose personal morals, though inexcusable, yet were forgiven.

Obviously Trump has changed over time. Sure he has a closet of skeletons. Two years ago, conservatives had no idea where he stood on a number of issues. His SCOTUS appointee was pivotal to many.

But don't tell me that Obama was "clean." His skeletons were far more objectionable to many Americans, the least of which was citizenship. Anyone who saw the forensics analysis of his birth certificate and selective service card knew that. He was a closet Muslim. He called his wife "Michael." His chief strategist Jarrett, was an Iranian Muslim Communist. There was just too much going on in his life, to call him "clean."

Clean compared to Clinton and Trump. And Trump's wife is a communist. So he brought a communist into the Oval Office ... and living, at times anyway, in the Whitehouse.

[Ohio]

Chucky Shumer blasts those who would shut down the government over Immigration.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Clean compared to Clinton and Trump. And Trump's wife is a communist. So he brought a communist into the Oval Office ... and living, at times anyway, in the Whitehouse.

One beautiful commie!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Trump just spoke at the 45th annual Right to Life March.

So you buy into our Bloviator-in-Chief. You're too easy/

"Donald Trump criticized U.S. abortion laws as among the most permissive in the world in a speech to anti-abortion activists at the annual March for Life on Friday, and pledged his administration would always defend 'the right to life.' But the president tripped over his tongue at a key moment in his landmark nine-minute speech, complaining about American laws that allow late-term fetuses to be 'born' - not aborted. 'Right now in a number of states,' he said, 'the laws allow a baby to be born from his or her mother's womb in the ninth month. It is wrong. It has to change.'"

He's sure not the gifted orator that Obama was.

Not only the 'nine month born' gaff, but he's got his facts all wrong :

"• The highest annual rate of abortion in 2010–2014 was in the Caribbean, estimated at 59 per 1,000 women of childbearing age, followed by South America, at 48. The lowest rates were in Northern America, at 17, and Western and Northern Europe—at 16 and 18, respectively."

[zeek]

We endured several government shut-downs when Newt Gingrich was the #1 bomb thrower in D.C. in the 90s. Now the Bomb Thrower and Chief is in the White House.

The Golden Wrecking Ball must be pissed off cuz it messed up his appointment to play golf at Mar-A-Lago this weekend. So sad.

Trumpty Dumpty is in a Twitter war against his own Chief of Staff John Kelly. Don't fret America; it's all a part of the grand strategy outlined in masterpiece The Art of the Deal [$12.99 at Amazon] ghost written by Tony Schwartz.

When Sir Sissypants "feels aggrieved, he reacts impulsively and defensively, constructing a self-justifying story that doesn't depend on facts and always directs the blame to others." Hence, the Dems are to blame for the shut-down and messing up his golf date.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

We endured several government shut-downs when Newt Gingrich was the #1 bomb thrower in D.C. in the 90s. Now the Bomb Thrower and Chief is in the White House.

The Golden Wrecking Ball must be pissed off cuz it messed up his appointment to play golf at Mar-A-Lago this weekend. So sad.

Trumpty Dumpty is in a Twitter war against his own Chief of Staff John Kelly. Don't fret America; it's all a part of the grand strategy outlined in masterpiece The Art of the Deal [$12.99 at Amazon] ghost written by Tony Schwartz.

When Sir Sissypants "feels aggrieved, he reacts impulsively and defensively, constructing a self-justifying story that doesn't depend on facts and always directs the blame to others." Hence, the Dems are to blame for the shut-down and messing up his golf date.

I can't tell if this is good news or not. Question -- now that the government has shut down does this mean we don't have to pay taxes for the period of time they are shut down?

2nd question -- I know this is the democrats fault (I read DT's tweet), but why? Don't the Republicans control the house, senate and Whitehouse?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I can't tell if this is good news or not. Question -- now that the government has shut down does this mean we don't have to pay taxes for the period of time they are shut down?

2nd question -- I know this is the democrats fault (I read DT's tweet), but why? Don't the Republicans control the house, senate and Whitehouse?

Budget CR needs 60 votes.

The Chucky Shumer Shutdown!

One man can shut down the country!

So ZNP, you really blame Trump for defending American citizens, and support Schumer for shutting down the Government for illegal aliens who will one day vote Democrat.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Budget CR needs 60 votes.

The Chucky Shumer Shutdown!

One man can shut down the country!

So ZNP, you really blame Trump for defending American citizens, and support Schumer for shutting down the Government for illegal aliens who will one day vote Democrat.

I already said I read DT's tweet and it is clear from Trump that this is 100% the Democrats fault.

What I don't understand is that Trump was elected because he is a "great negotiator", "everyone wants Trump to do negotiations", and he is really not beholden to any policy.

I also doubt Schumer could control 100% of the democrats. Surely a wiley negotiator like DT could have figured out how to peel a few of them off.

Also, what is the procedure for an illegal alien to vote?

[awareness]

Here's a real good one fer ya, from the Trump Campaign :

"DEMOCRATS “COMPLICIT” IN ALL MURDERS BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/d...gal-immigrants

[awareness]

But then. In 2013, on Fox and Friends, Trump said the responsibility for a gov'ment shutdown lies with the president. See video :

"REVEALED: Trump said a shutdown is ALWAYS the president's fault in 2013 interview as he now tries to pin the blame on 'obstructionist' Democrats."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nts-fault.html

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

But then. In 2013, on Fox and Friends, Trump said the responsibility for a gov'ment shutdown lies with the president. See video :

"REVEALED: Trump said a shutdown is ALWAYS the president's fault in 2013 interview as he now tries to pin the blame on 'obstructionist' Democrats."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nts-fault.html

I guess this is the exception that proves the rule.*

*Rule -- Trump will always claim he is right and blame everyone and anyone else for everything. The corollary is also true -- Trump will always take credit for anything that goes well regardless of how absurd that is.

[awareness]

Let's have a little pro-Trump :

"Roberts County: A year in the most pro-Trump town in America."

"“Donald Trump showed a great strength,” Porter said in June. “A great powerful person for the American people first. First in immigration, first in jobs, first in everything. And I realized that we needed a president who believed America was great. Greater than all other countries.”"

"One person who Porter said didn’t fit that description was Hillary Clinton. Her unpopularity came up repeatedly in conversations with Roberts County voters over the course of the year, and the Porters made sure their distaste for Clinton was passed down in their household to their miniature Australian shepherd named Buddy, whom they taught to bark like mad whenever he heard the name “Hillary.”"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rober...ry?id=52364233

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I already said I read DT's tweet and it is clear from Trump that this is 100% the Democrats fault.

What I don't understand is that Trump was elected because he is a "great negotiator", "everyone wants Trump to do negotiations", and he is really not beholden to any policy.

I also doubt Schumer could control 100% of the democrats. Surely a wiley negotiator like DT could have figured out how to peel a few of them off.

Also, what is the procedure for an illegal alien to vote?

Shutdown Schumer does NOT need to control EVERY Democrat, just enough to prevent 60 Senators from voting for the Budget.

Obviously you place future Illegal Aliena not yet even in our country above the safety of our own citizens -- pretty pathetic -- but you can sit back and mock Trump because you still get paid.

Our daughter and husband do NOT get paid.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Shutdown Schumer does NOT need to control EVERY Democrat, just enough to prevent 60 Senators from voting for the Budget.

Obviously you place future Illegal Aliena not yet even in our country above the safety of our own citizens -- pretty pathetic -- but you can sit back and mock Trump because you still get paid.

Our daughter and husband do NOT get paid.

How did I mock him? He campaigned on the claim that "he is a great negotiator". Surely some people voted for him based on that claim. It was a very close election so anything that made a difference in a few key states is how he got elected. Republicans control the Whitehouse, Senate and House. From what I understand the shutdown was also due to 4 republicans.

My point is simple, Schumer does not control every single Democrat. They needed 41 votes to get the shutdown, Schumer is just one vote.

I support listening to those who voted for Trump, I also support listening to those who chose a shutdown.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I also support listening to those who chose a shutdown.

And you see that it's worthwhile to shutdown the government over illegal aliens who are not yet here?

Remember, Trump's deal was to allow a path to amnesty for the Daca (and possibly all Dreamers.) But he said he must have a wall and an end to future chain and lottery immigration.

Schumer, Flake, and company would not accept that, and demanded that we all have a future without borders, enforced by sanctuary cities and states.

Trump said he would take the "heat" for that concession with his supporters, considering it a big step forward in negotiation.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And you see that it's worthwhile to shutdown the government over illegal aliens who are not yet here?

Remember, Trump's deal was to allow a path to amnesty for the Daca (and possibly all dreamers.) But he said he must have a wall and an end to future chain immigrations. Schumer and company would not accept that, and demand we all have a future without borders, enforced by sanctuary cities and states.

I do not know why 41 people voted to shut it down. I would be interested in hearing from them, but not from those blaming others and ascribing every evil intention imaginable.

As far as I am concerned I have been so repulsed by the political discourse that I ignore it. As you said I am still working, which is my focus at the moment.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I do not know why 41 people voted to shut it down. I would be interested in hearing from them, but not from those blaming others and ascribing every evil intention imaginable.

As far as I am concerned I have been so repulsed by the political discourse that I ignore it. As you said I am still working, which is my focus at the moment.

And you are getting paid. Good reason to ignore the repulsive discourse.

[zeek]

"Republican Senator Lindsey Graham on Sunday blasted White House staff for undercutting efforts to craft a deal on immigration and end the ongoing government shutdown.

Speaking with reporters, Graham singled out White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller as an 'outlier', and said despite President Donald Trump’s willingness to forge a deal, his aides have made such negotiations difficult.

'Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members', Graham said. 'As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we’re going nowhere.' "

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Republican Senator Lindsey Graham on Sunday blasted White House staff for undercutting efforts to craft a deal on immigration and end the ongoing government shutdown.

Speaking with reporters, Graham singled out White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller as an 'outlier', and said despite President Donald Trump’s willingness to forge a deal, his aides have made such negotiations difficult.

'Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members', Graham said. 'As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we’re going nowhere.' "

Senator Graham is the outlier on immigration. Polls show Stephen Miller more closely aligns with the views of typical American citizens.

To date, all so-called bi-partizan immigration legislation (Gang of Eight, Gang of Six) has never been bi-partizan. Senators like McCain, Flake, and Graham constantly break with their party on this issue.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Polls show Stephen Miller more closely aligns with the views of typical American citizens.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Polls are like politicians. They always lie with their statistics.

You contradicted yourself again.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

You contradicted yourself again.

Thank God the Schumer Shutdown has ended.

Polls say that Americans did not agree with him.

[Ohio]

Deep state "Secret Society," the liberal democrats so-called "insurance policy," was established at Obama's DOJ/FBI to destroy the new democratically elected President.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-SC) said the “secret society” discussion began the day after the election.

“There’s a text exchange between these two FBI agents, these two supposedly objective facts-centric FBI agents, that perhaps this is the first meeting of the ‘secret society,'” Gowdy said.

“I’m going to want to know what secret society are you talking about, because you are supposed to be investigating objectively the person who just won [by] the electoral college,” he added. “I’m going to want to know.”

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Budget CR needs 60 votes.

The Chucky Shumer Shutdown!

One man can shut down the country!

Only if 40 others go along with him. That means that 41 people can shut down the country.

And yes, Chucky can be hiding within those 41. But he cannot do it single-handedly.

[OBW]

Had to comment on the Fake News Awards.

When it was announced that DT was going to do them, one of the late night hosts determined that it should be the funniest event ever since DT can't stand that anyone but him gets credit for anything. Therefore it would all go to him.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by OBW

Only if 40 others go along with him. That means that 41 people can shut down the country.

And yes, Chucky can be hiding within those 41. But he cannot do it single-handedly.

But one man can shutdown the gov'ment. All he has to do is reject any bill, or offer of one.

That man is a dodger and a weaver ... and blames Obama for the 2013 shutdown, but the buck doesn't stop at his desk ... it's always someone else's fault.

[zeek]

On Saturday morning, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), one of five Senate Democrats who voted for a stopgap spending bill (five Republicans voted against it), proposed paying the troops during the shut-down, as Congress did in 2013; Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) blocked the measure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sQ0UySKYKM

[zeek]

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/don...ump-shut-hell/

‘Don’t ever preach to me again!’: Ex-GOP chair tells evangelicals who still support Trump to ‘shut the hell up!’

[Ohio]

It's got to be those darn evangelicals fault!

Let me define today's progessives: those who believe every evil report about Trump, and believe Trump is the source of every problem in the world. They hated Bush who was a moral man, but used to smoke and drink. They hate Trump who is not moral, but never drank, smoked, or used drugs.

Zeek, we're not looking for the next St. Theresa for Prez.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

But one man can shutdown the gov'ment. All he has to do is reject any bill, or offer of one.

That man is a dodger and a weaver ... and blames Obama for the 2013 shutdown, but the buck doesn't stop at his desk ... it's always someone else's fault.

NY Senator Chuck Schumer was so happy when the ANTIFA stormed Trump Tower in Manhatten.

Well, what goes around comes around, and now they are storming his own house.

Oh the irony Chucky!

[awareness]

Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels
The Family Research Council head says that evangelical conservatives are willing to overlook Trump’s past behavior so long as he delivers for them on policy.

Trump gets a little stormy with Stormy ... Christians are fine with it.

But don't preach to me about anything ever again. No wonder millennials are rejecting Christianity and the churches ... they see the phoniness. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

[Ohio]

For those of you still in denial about the fabricated "Russian collusion" and other stories promoted by liberal news outlets, you really need some updating. Your "news" is over a year old. The following blurb was extracted from an informed piece. It, of course, will be initially dismissed by you and MSM as a "vast right wing conspiracy," but I think this story will govern all news this year. As usual, Fox News is way ahead of the other outlet.

What we are seeing today at the highest levels of our government should frighten all Americans.

As I laid out in detail in a recent interview for Judicial Watch, discussing the role of Fusion GPS, its interactions with the FBI, and Fusion founder Glenn Simpson's testimony before a Senate committee, the evidence is rapidly emerging that senior officials in our government, most likely up to and including then-president of the United States Barack Obama, worked in concert to illicitly, and possibly criminally, derail the candidacy of the opposition party's presidential candidate using fabricated information (or, as former FBI director James Comey described it, "salacious and unverified") obtained by a private investigations firm from an enemy of the United States: Russia.

Even worse, once that effort to derail that candidacy failed and that candidate, Donald Trump, was elected, those same individuals used the same manufactured evidence as the basis to launch an investigation, employing the vast authority and technical resources of the United States government, whose ultimate goal, I believe, is to impeach and remove that duly elected president.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a coup d'état. Merriam-Webster defines a coup d'état as a "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics."

While the Hillary-FBI-DOJ-Fusion GPS cabal was not a violent coup, to be sure, it was certainly a decisive exercise of force in politics when it used, as has been reported, a fraud on the court to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on members of the opposing party's presidential campaign. In fact, it is far more insidious than the sort of coups we typically see in Africa and Latin America. It required the subversion and corruption of numerous governmental agencies, not just the FBI – to effect: the Department of Justice and the National Security Agency to be sure, and possibly the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department, and other agencies as well.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels
The Family Research Council head says that evangelical conservatives are willing to overlook Trump’s past behavior so long as he delivers for them on policy.

Trump gets a little stormy with Stormy ... Christians are fine with it.

But don't preach to me about anything ever again. No wonder millennials are rejecting Christianity and the churches ... they see the phoniness. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

Who said I was fine with it?

How does the hypocrisy of some idiot besmirch the reputation of hundreds of millions of Christians over the last two millennia?

No wonder people are not listening to this vapid air head analysis.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels. The Family Research Council head says that evangelical conservatives are willing to overlook Trump’s past behavior so long as he delivers for them on policy.

Trump gets a little stormy with Stormy ... Christians are fine with it.

But don't preach to me about anything ever again. No wonder millennials are rejecting Christianity and the churches ... they see the phoniness. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

And Millennials are now embracing the Clinton dynasty! Defenders of all women!

Or perhaps Bernie and his wife, who made a few bucks and destroyed that college in Vermont. But hey Bernie fell in line and they got their new beach house on Lake Champagne.

And who has been preaching to you?

And when did Trump become America's church pastor?

And you assume that all Christians are "fine" with Trump's personal life?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

storming his own house.
Oh the irony Chucky!

Storming? ... didn't that happen with Trump?

Speaking of irony. Stormy said Trump made her spank him with a Forbes magazine ... the one with him, Don Jr. and Ivanka on the cover ; oooh ... sooo ... Stormy ... and kinky.

But Christian's love it. They obviously believe Jesus was wrong about mammon ... but they like the 'he without sin cast the first stone' pericope. They are sinners like Trump ... leaving the impression that even Jesus was a sinner, like them and Trump.

Perchance admitting that, they have all along just been kidding about family values ... cheating right after your wife gives birth is the new Christian way ...

Cuz, must be, in a lost gospel, recently found, Jesus says, "If your wife is unable to satisfy you, seek a porn star." Adding,
"Seek and ye shall find."

[ZNPaaneah]

Electricity from renewable sources will soon be cheaper than power from most fossil fuels, according to the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA). In its new report, Renewable Power Generation Costs in 2017, the agency revealed that technology improvements, government take-up and proactive project development has pushed the costs associated with renewable energy to a new low, and that by 2020 renewable power will largely undercut fossil fuel.

Importing fossil fuel is the fundamental cause of our trade deficit and our national debt. Freeing us and many other countries from this cartel has tremendous economic, political, and environmental advantages.

One wonders how disruptive this will be to the existing power structure, i.e. petrodollars?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And who has been preaching to you?

Right. The local church taught me to have enough sense not to listen to preachers ever again.

Not that I haven't made close friends with many preachers since then. That wouldn't be true at all. I'm drawn to preachers, except the racist ones, and there have been many of them too. But, racist or not, they can take their preaching and shove it.

Witness Lee taught me that preachers are human. And that's the worst you can say about anyone. That's all Christian's problem, and the problem for all religions on the earth as well ; the human problem.

That's especially true of Tony Perkins of the The Family Research Council. How can he tout family values and support Trump? That's just glaring hypocrisy. Shame. Shame. Sad.

(And bro zeek, the flesh is not weak. It clearly dominates. )

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels The Family Research Council head says that evangelical conservatives are willing to overlook Trump’s past behavior so long as he delivers for them on policy.
But don't preach to me about anything ever again.

Originally Posted by awareness

Right. The local church taught me to have enough sense not to listen to preachers ever again.

Not that I haven't made close friends with many preachers since then. That wouldn't be true at all. I'm drawn to preachers, except the racist ones, and there have been many of them too. But, racist or not, they can take their preaching and shove it.

That's especially true of Tony Perkins of the The Family Research Council. How can he tout family values and support Trump? That's just glaring hypocrisy. Shame. Shame. Sad.

So, this Perkins guy came and gave you an earful about Trump?

Did he hit you for money too?

I would be upset too! Sad.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Zeek, we're not looking for the next St. Theresa for Prez.

Originally Posted by Ohio

But looking back, what Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky should never have been publicized or prosecuted. It was consensual, though tawdry, and how could anyone blame Clinton for lying to protect his marriage/reputation.

How convenient that you reverse your opinion about moral purity now that your boy the pussy-grabbing philanderer is in the White House. I imagine you stood fast with the majority of Republicans who supported Kenneth Starr's four year $70 million investigation of Bill Clinton when it was going on.

But as you recently demonstrated with your opinion on polls, you have no problem contradicting yourself or your moral judgment in the service of der Fuhrer. That's what makes your political posts so amusing.

Celebrity Spokesmodel Melania apparently doesn't share your magnanimity as she cancelled plans to go to Davos for a glamour photo op on the Orange Bomber's arm.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

How convenient that you reverse your opinion about moral purity now that your boy the pussy-grabbing philanderer is in the White House. I imagine you stood fast with the majority of Republicans who supported Kenneth Starr's four year $70 million investigation of Bill Clinton when it was going on.

How about you keep your posts clean?

How about you stop imagining things about me?

I supported the WhiteWater investigation, not what came of it -- lying to Congress to protect his marriage. And now Muller is payback for it.

And I think you forget that Americans voted for Trump and Pence. Pence's character was above reproach. Today many view Trump's conservative stance (e.g. appointing Neil Gorsuch, speaking at Pro-Life rally, etc.) as a kind of "penance" for some of his past actions. In the same manner, evangelicals forgave W's past partying ways. Now if Bush or Trump were caught in the Oval Office with pretty interns, that would change.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

How about you keep your posts clean?

I can't keep it clean and at the same time speak frankly about Donnie Bratso who effectively lowers the standards of public discourse every day. Been to a sh**hole country lately?

Originally Posted by Ohio

How about you stop imagining things about me?I supported the WhiteWater investigation, not what came of it -- lying to Congress to protect his marriage. And now Muller is payback for it.

My imaginings were correct.

Originally Posted by Ohio

And I think you forget that Americans voted for Trump and Pence. Pence's character was above reproach. Today many view Trump's conservative stance (e.g. appointing Neil Gorsuch, speaking at Pro-Life rally, etc.) as a kind of "penance" for some of his past actions. In the same manner, evangelicals forgave W's past partying ways. Now if Bush or Trump were caught in the Oval Office with pretty interns, that would change.

Baloney. Ah Pence, the shameless sycophant. His loving gaze at the Cheeto Benito makes me throw up in my mouth. Reminds me of the lieutenants who fawned over WL.

So, how does your moral calculation work? You add a Puritan and a Libertine together and you get a moral man?

Trump-Evangelicals have abandoned the spirit of Jesus for the spirit of Trump. Trumpangelicals.

So Melania thought the weather in Davos was going to a little too Stormy, eh? Apparently she's not a moral math whiz like you.

[ZNPaaneah]

Is all of this intended to distract from the real news?

Trump put a 50% tariff on imported solar panels. This after a study shows that solar generated electricity will be cheaper than fossil fuel by 2020. In that event who would invest in a fossil fuel plant to generate electricity that would take 6 months to a year to clear regulatory hurdles and then another 20 years to pay back investors?

The fig leaf offered is that this tariff would protect manufacturing jobs in the US -- even though we only have two solar panel manufacturers and one of them has already declared bankruptcy. The real jobs in solar are not manufacturing of panels, but rather installation (involves skilled electricians and roofers) and maintenance over the life of the panels. Rather than create jobs or protect jobs this will retard the installation of solar power in this country.

The same thing happened with Britain after the discovery of the industrial revolution. They had a lead, but protected their investment in old technology rather than innovate and update equipment. They were very quickly left in the dust by the US and Germany.

[ZNPaaneah]

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson admits there is 'a real possibility' the evidence he used to stoke rumors of an FBI 'secret society' was a joke
1:18 p.m. ET

It is no joke, I have seen the Deep State with my own eyes, in fact it isn't one, it is two different deep states. The first is Arizona with the Grand Canyon, but the second is New Mexico with Carlsbad Caverns.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Is all of this intended to distract from the real news?

Trump put a 50% tariff on imported solar panels. This after a study shows that solar generated electricity will be cheaper than fossil fuel by 2020. In that event who would invest in a fossil fuel plant to generate electricity that would take 6 months to a year to clear regulatory hurdles and then another 20 years to pay back investors?

The fig leaf offered is that this tariff would protect manufacturing jobs in the US -- even though we only have two solar panel manufacturers and one of them has already declared bankruptcy. The real jobs in solar are not manufacturing of panels, but rather installation (involves skilled electricians and roofers) and maintenance over the life of the panels. Rather than create jobs or protect jobs this will retard the installation of solar power in this country.

The same thing happened with Britain after the discovery of the industrial revolution. They had a lead, but protected their investment in old technology rather than innovate and update equipment. They were very quickly left in the dust by the US and Germany.

I agree that tariff on solar panels is bad but I think the figure is 30% not 50.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson admits there is 'a real possibility' the evidence he used to stoke rumors of an FBI 'secret society' was a joke
1:18 p.m. ET

It is no joke, I have seen the Deep State with my own eyes, in fact it isn't one, it is two different deep states. The first is Arizona with the Grand Canyon, but the second is New Mexico with Carlsbad Caverns.

[ZNPaaneah]

Has Amazon.com figured out how to eliminate cashiers? Are we going to eliminate truck drivers and taxi drivers?

3d printing is eliminating manufacturing jobs. They even used a 3d printer to make a house. Watson can replace so many jobs of those who provide service via the telephone. Can you imagine roombas replacing maids at hotels? Drones replacing UPS and FedEx?

They are filling cars with tiny sensors connected to the internet to tell the dealer when parts are about to wear out and need to be replaced or fixed. Used to be you needed a great mechanic to diagnose the problem, now the car will do that job itself. Other machines, elevators, etc now have sensors just like cars. Used to need a Super to detect a problem, now these machines just send an email to the service center when they need work.

If you can replace tax preparers with a program, surely you can replace 90% of lawyers with computer programs.

Soldiers are being replaced. Pilots replaced by people operating drones, which will soon become autonomous. Self driving vehicles were sponsored by the military. Robots, drones, and autonomous vehicles are all desirable over putting lives at risk.

The internet has been a body slam to the news industry and magazine publishers. Although you still need journalists they have bots and algorithms that can view the entire web to see what stories are out there. This allows stories from around the world to all be shared with each other. As a result there are far fewer journalists jobs based on the US population. We used to think that computers could never replace writers and translators. But they already have replaced a very big chunk of that work. Think about how much the internet has put the mailman out of business. Likewise with the music store, bookstore, even movie theater.

Can you imagine being 20 years old with the changes coming?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Has Amazon.com figured out how to eliminate cashiers? Are we going to eliminate truck drivers and taxi drivers?

3d printing is eliminating manufacturing jobs. They even used a 3d printer to make a house. Watson can replace so many jobs of those who provide service via the telephone. Can you imagine roombas replacing maids at hotels? Drones replacing UPS and FedEx?

They are filling cars with tiny sensors connected to the internet to tell the dealer when parts are about to wear out and need to be replaced or fixed. Used to be you needed a great mechanic to diagnose the problem, now the car will do that job itself. Other machines, elevators, etc now have sensors just like cars. Used to need a Super to detect a problem, now these machines just send an email to the service center when they need work.

Can you imagine being 20 years old with the changes coming?

We should tax all these different types of robots, like citizen workers are now.

And make 'em pay for all the tiny robots that will soon be put into our body's, that will keep us alive for up to 300 years.

[Ohio]

Being a racist, a supremacist, and an anti-semite never seemed to be a problem for Barry Hussein.

They solved that little inconvenience by projecting those smears on Trump or any other "problem of the day" like McCain or Romney.

A photograph of then-Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan that was taken in 2005 at a meeting of the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, DC, was released Saturday after a 13-year cover-up to protect Obama’s political career.

Journalist Askia Muhammad told that he took the photograph after Obama had engaged “in a warm conversation with constituent and fellow Chicagoan Minister Louis Farrakhan.” However, he realized that the photograph could endanger Obama’s presidential ambitions, which were already being widely discussed.

Farrakhan is a black supremacist and anti-semite who also holds anti-gay views. Rumors of an association between Obama and Farrakhan circulated during the 2008 presidential campaign in the wake of revelations about Obama’s decades-long membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ, led by the racist preacher Jeremiah Wright.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Baloney. Ah Pence, the shameless sycophant. His loving gaze at the Cheeto Benito makes me throw up in my mouth. Reminds me of the lieutenants who fawned over WL.

Reminds me of Joe Biden and his army.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

We should tax all these different types of robots, like citizen workers are now.

And make 'em pay for all the tiny robots that will soon be put into our body's, that will keep us alive for up to 300 years.

We do tax them, just like any other machinery or equipment. Manufacturer pays tax, then there is a sales tax. All of the electricity they use is paid to the power company. Repair men are paid and also pay tax, and those that manufacture replacement parts, etc.

IBM Watson is working for Wimbeldon to create video clips based on any question (foot faults, points at net, etc). That is replacing video editors who used to do this.

IBM Watson is replacing salesmen for Northface, Staples, and Macy's. It can find what you want / need. GM is using it in cars to personalize service for the driver. Healthcare providers are doing the same. American Cancer society is using it as an advisor to people who call in with questions. A marketing firm is using Watson to design social media campaigns. Other companies are using Watson to make ads interactive. In England they are using Watson to predict crime. Citibank uses Watson for data analysis and customer service.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

We do tax them, just like any other machinery or equipment. Manufacturer pays tax, then there is a sales tax. All of the electricity they use is paid to the power company. Repair men are paid and also pay tax, and those that manufacture replacement parts, etc.

IBM Watson is working for Wimbeldon to create video clips based on any question (foot faults, points at net, etc). That is replacing video editors who used to do this.

IBM Watson is replacing salesmen for Northface, Staples, and Macy's. It can find what you want / need. GM is using it in cars to personalize service for the driver. Healthcare providers are doing the same. American Cancer society is using it as an advisor to people who call in with questions. A marketing firm is using Watson to design social media campaigns. Other companies are using Watson to make ads interactive. In England they are using Watson to predict crime. Citibank uses Watson for data analysis and customer service.

All the worlds' problems will be solved by 2042.

"An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible. Will you worship it?"

"In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it."
https://venturebeat.com/2017/10/02/a...ou-worship-it/

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

All the worlds' problems will be solved by 2042.

"An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible. Will you worship it?"

"In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it."
https://venturebeat.com/2017/10/02/a...ou-worship-it/

I am not aware of anything man made that is anything more than a tool. The idea that it will evolve to where we are serving the tool instead of the other way around is pure speculation without any example to point to.

I think what is far more likely, at least in the short term, is that we will become completely dependent on the machines. Since the Agricultural revolution jobs have become so specialized that people can not survive apart from modern society. We are already dependent on so many different functions. With AI it will become all encompassing and very much invisible. In other words the AI will identify our patterns and do things for us that we soon forget how to even do. We saw this with slavery. The owners eventually cannot do anything and are completely dependent on the slaves.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

All the worlds' problems will be solved by 2042.

"An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible. Will you worship it?"

"In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it."
https://venturebeat.com/2017/10/02/a...ou-worship-it/

Is it voluntary, or will you die resisting?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is it voluntary, or will you die resisting?

Resistance is futile.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Resistance is futile.

I would prefer to be a martyr. How about you?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I would prefer to be a martyr. How about you?

I'll be The Terminator. Or, I'll just unplug the damn thing.

[awareness]

Tax Incentive Puts More Robots on Factory Floors
https://www.wsj.com/articles/tax-inc...ors-1516962600

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Tax Incentive Puts More Robots on Factory Floors
https://www.wsj.com/articles/tax-inc...ors-1516962600

So one interesting example is the ubiquitous camera. Everyone now is carrying a smart phone with a camera and video camera. Some people even wear these cameras like Google's products that use AI to decide what pictures to take and what to delete. As a result it is much harder for someone to be a full time photographer, but on the other hand we now have much better pictures of every event.

Student shootings in schools are no longer some reporter outside the building, but rather smart phone images inside the building at the time of the attack.

When the news is looking for a person of interest in a crime there is almost always a decent photo of the person that they can show.

Train crashes, terrorist attacks, some idiot biting a cell phone battery. We don't simply get the photo from a reporter thirty minutes later, we get to see photos and videos live, as the event unfolds.

I think we would all agree that there are much better pictures now than thirty years ago, and yet the possibility of someone being a professional photographer is harder. If you hire a photographer for the wedding three fourths of the best photos will come from everyone's smart phone. So people still do hire them for a couple of official pictures, but it becomes less and less necessary. As these cameras get better and cheaper no one needs to be a "professional" to have top quality equipment.

[awareness]

Billy Graham's Granddaughter Says What We're All Thinking About Trump's Evangelical Enablers
His religious supporters are hypocrites who "send the wrong message to the world about what Christianity is."

Scuitto asked if Evangelicals, including her uncle Franklin Graham and grandfather, would be as lenient if former President Barack Obama had an extramarital affair with a porn star. “I think we all know the answer to that,” Armfield responded, dismissing her own relatives as "these Evangelicals."

Armfield later said that she wished Evangelicals who support Trump's policies on subjects like abortion would have the decency to say Trump's behavior "disgusts" them, because Evangelicals are "sending the wrong message to the world about what Christianity is."

Watch the clip below.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ps-evangelical

[zeek]

Here's an encouraging article: "Defeat is inevitable. Everybody knows it, even Trump: Washington’s legal immune system is about to expel an infection from the body politic."

https://www.salon.com/2018/01/27/def...it-even-trump/

[zeek]

Swamp Rat

Decades before he ran the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort’s pursuit of foreign cash and shady deals laid the groundwork for the corruption of Washington.

Last year, a group of Manafort’s longtime friends, led by an old Republican hand named Bill Greener, tried to organize a cadre of surrogates to defend Manafort from the allegations against him, including the worst one: that he collaborated with a hostile foreign power to subvert the American democratic process. Manafort’s old partner Charlie Black even showed up for a meeting, though the two had largely fallen out of touch. A few of the wheel men from the old firm wanted to help too. Yet, when volunteers were needed to go on TV as character witnesses, nobody raised his hand. “There wasn’t a lot to work with,” one person contacted by this group told me. “And nobody could be sure that Paul didn’t do it.” In fact, everything about the man and the life he chose suggests that he did.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ustler/550925/

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Swamp Rat



https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ustler/550925/

After what happened with the collapse of the housing market it should be abundantly clear to everyone how utterly corrupt our government is.

Rating agencies like Moodys and Standard and Poor's were simply selling their ratings.

All of the banks were well aware of how utterly corrupt their fraud was, but had no fear, knowing the politicians would never prosecute them and would bail them out with tax payer money.

Step 1 fleece the country blind.

Step 2 when it all collapses get bailed out by taxpayers and fleece them a second time.

Step 3 -- no substantive change to the laws -- business as usual.

Step 4 -- blame the immigrants and poor.

Manafort is simply a peak behind the curtain. The mortgage crisis was solid evidence that Jezebel is running the country.

[Ohio]

Manafort is peanuts. He worked for Trump and was let go. Nothing to see here folks, move along please.

Today Deputy FBI director McCabe was released. If he ordered witness 302's to be altered, he will be fired and indicted. He lied about Hillary emails, he was point of contact on phony Trump dossier used to obtain FISA, his wife took close to a million for senate run, he supervised the "secret weapon" to save us from our democratically elected president. He is covered in filth. He weaponized out national surveillance for political gain. This makes Watergate look like shoplifting candy bars.

My brother went to school with his predecessor Mark F. Giuliano. Great guy. Honest guy. Why did he leave? That's the untold story I would like to know. Obviously not "loyal enough" for Comey, Lynch, Obama.

More resignations are coming. Probably Rosenstein is next. They are all lawyering up. Within a week the whole thing will collapse when the House memo is released to the public.

What ever happened to Russia, Russia, Russia? Collusion delusion! The accusations against Trump never materialized. Why? No evidence! It was deception and corruption as deep as the Grand Canyon. So says ZNP. And you good folks say our media is fair. All your news is a year old.

Sorry you guys were deceived so badly. Happens to liberals all the time.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Manafort is peanuts. He worked for Trump and was let go. Nothing to see here folks, move along please.

Today Deputy FBI director McCabe was released. If he ordered witness 302's to be altered, he will be fired and indicted. He lied about Hillary emails, he was point of contact on phony Trump dossier used to obtain FISA, his wife took close to a million for senate run, he supervised the "secret weapon" to save us from our democratically elected president. He is covered in filth. He weaponized out national surveillance for political gain. This makes Watergate look like shoplifting candy bars.

My brother went to school with his predecessor Mark F. Giuliano. Great guy. Honest guy. Why did he leave? That's the untold story I would like to know. Obviously not "loyal enough" for Comey, Lynch, Obama.

More resignations are coming. Probably Rosenstein is next. They are all lawyering up. Within a week the whole thing will collapse when the House memo is released to the public.

What ever happened to Russia, Russia, Russia? Collusion delusion! The accusations against Trump never materialized. Why? No evidence! It was deception and corruption as deep as the Grand Canyon. So says ZNP. And you good folks say our media is fair. All your news is a year old.

Sorry you guys were deceived so badly. Happens to liberals all the time.

To be fair I was confirming the Republican senator's claim that there is a deep state. I have seen it (Arizona) and it is impressively deep. Also, there is a far more subtle and discreet deep state (New Mexico) which I have also seen first hand. Just trying to be helpful.

All jokes aside, we are at a transitional phase of the world's economy. There will be a great disruption to the existing power structure of petrodollars, and there will be an accompanying disruption to existing jobs. No longer will the US be so incredibly dominant as it once was (at one point our domestic product was equal to the rest of the world's), we are going to become a partner among equals. Some countries like Germany and Japan will be every bit as developed and cutting edge, though with slightly smaller populations, others like China and India will be a powerhouse in population and resources, but perhaps slightly lagging in development.

This is a very tough time for many people, but just like the transition during the industrial revolution these changes actually benefit everyone. It is not a 0 sum game.

What happened to Britain during that transition? They jumped out to an early lead and then sat on it and were completely passed by. A protectionist, anti immigrant, pull up the drawbridge attitude is simply going to allow China, Germany, Japan and the rest pass us by. Tariffs on solar is, imo, idiotic. Blaming immigrants when the real villains are the bankers and politicians, is criminal.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

To be fair I was confirming the Republican senator's claim that there is a deep state. I have seen it (Arizona) and it is impressively deep. Also, there is a far more subtle and discreet deep state (New Mexico) which I have also seen first hand. Just trying to be helpful.

All jokes aside, we are at a transitional phase of the world's economy. There will be a great disruption to the existing power structure of petrodollars, and there will be an accompanying disruption to existing jobs. No longer will the US be so incredibly dominant as it once was (at one point our domestic product was equal to the rest of the world's), we are going to become a partner among equals. Some countries like Germany and Japan will be every bit as developed and cutting edge, though with slightly smaller populations, others like China and India will be a powerhouse in population and resources, but perhaps slightly lagging in development.

This is a very tough time for many people, but just like the transition during the industrial revolution these changes actually benefit everyone. It is not a 0 sum game.

What happened to Britain during that transition? They jumped out to an early lead and then sat on it and were completely passed by. A protectionist, anti immigrant, pull up the drawbridge attitude is simply going to allow China, Germany, Japan and the rest pass us by. Tariffs on solar is, imo, idiotic. Blaming immigrants when the real villains are the bankers and politicians, is criminal.

Britain got "passed by" because of the way they treated the Jews during WWII. They blockaded Israel preventing their return and safety of the Jews in Israel.

And Deep State referred to those in Gov't (DOJ, WH, FBI, NSA, CIA) who exonerated Clinton and Obama, and attempted to destroy the Trump presidency.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Britain got "passed by" because of the way they treated the Jews during WWII. They blockaded Israel preventing their return and safety of the Jews in Israel.

And Deep State referred to those in Gov't (DOJ, WH, FBI, NSA, CIA) who exonerated Clinton and Obama, and attempted to destroy the Trump presidency.

Britain was passed by economically long before WWII. By the time of Rockefeller and Carnegie we had already gone by them. Britain was the birthplace of the modern industrial revolution, they were the supreme super power at one point in time, but they were happy to stop innovating. Some historians described Imperialism as a process by which it didn't matter that Britain was no longer innovating.

I know what a "Deep State" is and I find the idea absurd and ridiculous. Not least in the fact that the "smoking gun text" was obviously a joke.

[zeek]

Republicans on a House panel voted to release a secret memo said to accuse the F.B.I. of misusing its authority in the Russia inquiry. They're circling the wagons by attacking the F.B.I. in a desperate move to save Trump. Looks like the train wreck that is Trump is about to hit the wall.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Republicans on a House panel voted to release a secret memo said to accuse the F.B.I. of misusing its authority in the Russia inquiry. They're circling the wagons by attacking the F.B.I. in a desperate move to save Trump. Looks like the train wreck that is Trump is about to hit the wall.

Yes, but they definitely expect him to take as many other crooks down with him. I am still fuming about the whole "too big to jail" attitude of our corrupt politicians.

Just so you know how anathema the whole situation was, the only bank that was prosecuted during the whole mortgage crisis was a tiny bank in Flushing, NY called Abacus. It was a family owned bank based very much on the model in "A wonderful life". He was helping poor immigrants uncomfortable with American banking to get a house, credit, etc.

Defending himself against the DA cost him $10 million. In the end the jury found him not guilty of a single charge (and there were thousands) and this was at a time when the American people wanted some bank, any bank, to pay.

One of the things in this banks favor was that they had one of the absolutely lowest default rates on mortgages in the country. It was an example of "don't let a good crisis go to waste". These corrupt bankers saw this as an opportunity to put banks like this out of business.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Britain was passed by economically long before WWII. By the time of Rockefeller and Carnegie we had already gone by them. Britain was the birthplace of the modern industrial revolution, they were the supreme super power at one point in time, but they were happy to stop innovating. Some historians described Imperialism as a process by which it didn't matter that Britain was no longer innovating.

Not exactly. Carnegie launched his empire using the Bessemer process developed in England. Carnegie built his empire using immigrant "slave" labor from Europe, long before unions. The US outpaced Britain due to natural resources.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I know what a "Deep State" is and I find the idea absurd and ridiculous. Not least in the fact that the "smoking gun text" was obviously a joke.

Time will tell. You are obviously still watching them Fake News Networks.

Where's the apology for accusing Trump of Russian collusion? That story has long died and is rotting in liberal dumpsters.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Republicans on a House panel voted to release a secret memo said to accuse the F.B.I. of misusing its authority in the Russia inquiry. They're circling the wagons by attacking the F.B.I. in a desperate move to save Trump. Looks like the train wreck that is Trump is about to hit the wall.

And Andrew McCabe was removed from office without overwhelming evidence of corruption after overseeing Hilary's sham investigation and subverting Trump's election??? Seriously??? According to the "insurance policy" coup plan hatched in his office, he was supposed to protect all his cronies after Hilary won. Lock him up without his cushy pension!

Strzok, who was at the center of both FBI episodes, and his lover Lisa Page will be indicted as his "thugs." Rod Rosenstein at DOJ will resign shortly. No. 4 guy at FBI Bruce Ohr and his wife Nelly are history, being the phony Trump Dossier guardians. The whole house of cards is coming down. Time will tell whether these fine folks will implicate Comey, Lynch, Hilary, and Obama. But let's leave Muller alone while he wastes taxpayer money.

But zeek and company are still screaming Russia, Russia, Russia. His "news" is a year old, or more, and rotting in the dumpster. He loves his democratic process until the "wrong" guy gets elected. His ends justify any and all criminal means. It's only a "witch hunt" when liberals are on the hot seat.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Not exactly. Carnegie launched his empire using the Bessemer process developed in England. Carnegie built his empire using immigrant "slave" labor from Europe, long before unions. The US outpaced Britain due to natural resources.


Time will tell. You are obviously still watching them Fake News Networks.

Where's the apology for accusing Trump of Russian collusion? That story has long died and is rotting in liberal dumpsters.

Yes, the Bessemer process was invented in England but they didn't adopt it, because they didn't want to upgrade their equipment. One reason was that the labor party was powerful and every time you upgrade people lose jobs. So even though jobs were created by using the more efficient methods, some of the jobs protected by the unions would be eliminated.

Why should I apologize? All I said was I would wait for the investigation to be finished. That is what I am doing. That is the proper thing to do.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I know what a "Deep State" is and I find the idea absurd and ridiculous. Not least in the fact that the "smoking gun text" was obviously a joke.

Why should I apologize? All I said was I would wait for the investigation to be finished. That is what I am doing. That is the proper thing to do.

Oh OK, your other comments were just jokes. I must have missed that.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oh OK, your other comments were just jokes. I must have missed that.

I have been consistent from day 1, I support the investigation for numerous reasons, I am content to wait until Mueller is finished. I do not presume guilt but I also feel that the evidence fully justifies the investigation.

Which is:

1. Flynn lied concerning his connections with Russia, he has admitted guilt and is now working with the prosecution and he is not the only campaign official working with Mueller.

2. The prosecution does not cut a deal with Flynn unless he can get them bigger fish.

3. Kushner met with the Russians, was not honest concerning the meeting, and the meeting has the appearance of working together with the Russians. Not proof of collusion, but Bannon said there was a 0% chance that the Russians were not walked up to Trump's office. He also had to walk back quotes of his that this meeting was "treasonous".

4. Trump publicly asked the Russians to release top secret emails from Clinton to the public. Again, not evidence of collusion but showing terrible judgement by someone running for office in the US and in and of itself enough to justify many people demanding an investigation.

5. Manafort had to resign due to his connections with Russia.

6. Sessions had to recuse himself due to his connections with Russia.

7. Trump fired Comey. Based on Comey's account this was due to the Russia investigation. Although this does not cross the line of obstruction of justice the meeting with Comey was not above reproach. Once again, justifying to many the investigation.

8. Trump asked to fire Mueller, which would constitute obstruction of justice. This fact alone demands we get a full and exhaustive investigation from Mueller.

9. Russia did interfere with our election for president. This one fact alone completely justifies a full and exhaustive investigation.

10. Russia's interference with the election aided Trump and there is circumstantial evidence of a quid pro quo, undo things Obama did in exchange for getting Trump elected. Circumstantial evidence is that they helped Trump get elected and Trump undid some penalties levied by Obama. There may also be hard evidence that this was discussed and agreed upon between Trump and high ranking Russian officials. I expect Mueller's investigation to determine that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I have been consistent from day 1, I support the investigation for numerous reasons, I am content to wait until Mueller is finished. I do not presume guilt but I also feel that the evidence fully justifies the investigation.

Which is:

1. Flynn lied concerning his connections with Russia, he has admitted guilt and is now working with the prosecution and he is not the only campaign official working with Mueller.

2. The prosecution does not cut a deal with Flynn unless he can get them bigger fish.

3. Kushner met with the Russians, was not honest concerning the meeting, and the meeting has the appearance of working together with the Russians. Not proof of collusion, but Bannon said there was a 0% chance that the Russians were not walked up to Trump's office. He also had to walk back quotes of his that this meeting was "treasonous".

4. Trump publicly asked the Russians to release top secret emails from Clinton to the public. Again, not evidence of collusion but showing terrible judgement by someone running for office in the US and in and of itself enough to justify many people demanding an investigation.

5. Manafort had to resign due to his connections with Russia.

6. Sessions had to recuse himself due to his connections with Russia.

7. Trump fired Comey. Based on Comey's account this was due to the Russia investigation. Although this does not cross the line of obstruction of justice the meeting with Comey was not above reproach. Once again, justifying to many the investigation.

8. Trump asked to fire Mueller, which would constitute obstruction of justice. This fact alone demands we get a full and exhaustive investigation from Mueller.

9. Russia did interfere with our election for president. This one fact alone completely justifies a full and exhaustive investigation.

10. Russia's interference with the election aided Trump and there is circumstantial evidence of a quid pro quo, undo things Obama did in exchange for getting Trump elected. Circumstantial evidence is that they helped Trump get elected and Trump undid some penalties levied by Obama. There may also be hard evidence that this was discussed and agreed upon between Trump and high ranking Russian officials. I expect Mueller's investigation to determine that.

It all sounds so serious, but even Peter Strzok the lead investigator said there was no "there there."

If Russia did interfere with our election for president, then we ought to investigate Russia.

There is to date no evidence that Russia's interference with the election aided Trump.

You are perpetrating year old folklore and media mythology. Sorry. I've been trying to tell you, but you're not listening.

[zeek]

Trump painted a rosy picture last night. If he even mentioned the opioid crisis I missed it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It all sounds so serious, but even Peter Strzok the lead investigator said there was no "there there."

If Russia did interfere with our election for president, then we ought to investigate Russia.

There is to date no evidence that Russia's interference with the election aided Trump.

You are perpetrating year old folklore and media mythology. Sorry. I've been trying to tell you, but you're not listening.

If there is "no there there" then it will come out in the investigation. There is undeniable evidence that Russia interfered with our election. That should be investigated. There is circumstantial evidence that the purpose was to aid Trump and hurt Clinton. That will be verified or disproved by the investigation.

I am not perpetrating anything, you are the one not listening.

I am supporting an investigation and whatever the result is. I believe this country is not so poor that we cannot afford a few lawyers investigating questions that are central to our democracy.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump painted a rosy picture last night. If he even mentioned the opioid crisis I missed it.

Only a foolish president wouldn't "paint a rosy picture". Also, the state of the union is stronger now than 50 years ago. Our allies are far better off and more stable. Our enemies have been reduced to rag tag bands of angry jihadists whose IQ borders around 80. Misfits.

The industrial revolution and technological revolution have created unimaginable wealth. When I was a kid my Dad went with Nixon to China, what a difference has taken place in half a lifetime. Likewise with India and Russia.

Even North Korea is talking with South Korea.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Only a foolish president wouldn't "paint a rosy picture". Also, the state of the union is stronger now than 50 years ago. Our allies are far better off and more stable. Our enemies have been reduced to rag tag bands of angry jihadists whose IQ borders around 80. Misfits.

The industrial revolution and technological revolution have created unimaginable wealth. When I was a kid my Dad went with Nixon to China, what a difference has taken place in half a lifetime. Likewise with India and Russia.

Even North Korea is talking with South Korea.

You forgot about the opioid epidemic too. He said he'd fix it. But, to my knowledge, all he's done so far is declared it an emergency.

And that's not all he forgot. According to The Atlantic Trump's state of the union was "unrecognizable".

"A long, surprisingly standard speech ignored the tumultuous lived reality of American politics over the past year—and the likely reality in the year to come." https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...izable/551927/

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

You forgot about the opioid epidemic too. He said he'd fix it. But, to my knowledge, all he's done so far is declared it an emergency.

Did you see that 60 Minutes special on Opioids?

As soon as the proposed "Drug Czar" Rep. Tom Marino was implicated, Trump immediately removed him from consideration.

You can't tell me that Trump has done nothing.

It's not so easy to sort out the good from the bad in the swamp.

Imagine how much you could do if the CIA, FBI, DOJ, and NSA top brass were all out to destroy and impeach you?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If there is "no there there" then it will come out in the investigation. There is undeniable evidence that Russia interfered with our election. That should be investigated. There is circumstantial evidence that the purpose was to aid Trump and hurt Clinton. That will be verified or disproved by the investigation.

I am not perpetrating anything, you are the one not listening.

I am supporting an investigation and whatever the result is. I believe this country is not so poor that we cannot afford a few lawyers investigating questions that are central to our democracy.

There are two investigations going on. One has subpoena power, endless investigators, FISA wiretaps, a complicit media, etc. --- and have found NO COLLUSION. (Oh yeah, they caught a guy lying, and old money laundering crimes.)

The other is run by the House with none of the above powers to work with, yet have discovered corruption surrounding Hilary's emails, Uranion One Clinton Foundation pay to play, phony Dossiers, deceived FISA judges, endless leaks to the Press, Rigged DNC against Bernie Sanders, Crooked Comey, Bruce and Nelly Ohr connected to Fusion GPS, unmasking gov't officials -- literally a bloodless (except for Seth Rich, poor guy, who sent info to wikileaks.) coup orchestrated by the entire Obama administration.

I doubt if you will dare to read the House Memo to be released shortly. Director Wray read it and immediately fired Deputy McCabe.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There are two investigations going on. One has subpoena power, endless investigators, FISA wiretaps, a complicit media, etc. --- and have found NO COLLUSION. (Oh yeah, they caught a guy lying, and old money laundering crimes.)

The other is run by the House with none of the above powers to work with, yet have discovered corruption surrounding Hilary's emails, Uranion One Clinton Foundation pay to play, phony Dossiers, deceived FISA judges, endless leaks to the Press, Rigged DNC against Bernie Sanders, Crooked Comey, Bruce and Nelly Ohr connected to Fusion GPS, unmasking gov't officials -- literally a bloodless (except for Seth Rich, poor guy, who sent info to wikileaks.) coup orchestrated by the entire Obama administration.

I doubt if you will dare to read the House Memo to be released shortly. Director Wray read it and immediately fired Deputy McCabe.

Why? I don't care if they convict Clinton, don't have any horse in this race. I am happy if all those who are guilty of crimes, whether they are misdemeanors or high treason be convicted.

[zeek]

The fact that the White House dropped Victor Cha as its nominee for ambassador to South Korea this late in the game because he expressed concerns about a military strike approach to North Korea, then that's very worrisome. It suggests that the White House is giving this option serious consideration.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Imagine how much you could do if the CIA, FBI, DOJ, and NSA top brass were all out to destroy and impeach you?

So now it's just fine that Russia meddled in our elections, the enemy has become our very own intelligence community.

Who's couping who?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So now it's just fine that Russia meddled in our elections, the enemy has become our very own intelligence community.

Who's couping who?

No evidence that Trump meddled with the Russians or affected the vote.

What we have heard for more than a year from MSM is just Urban Legend.

By all accounts the election of Trump was totally legit.

The campaign to smear Trump, blockade his policies, destroy his administration, and eventually impeach him is absolutely the more serious matter.

The real damaging evidence so far implicates Comey, McCabe, Ohr, Strzok, Page at the FBI, and Lynch, Rosenstein at DOJ.

And motive to elect Hilary and destroy Trump becomes obvious when examining Uranium One. That's the real Russia collusion story, and FBI is sitting on lots of evidence over that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So now it's just fine that Russia meddled in our elections, the enemy has become our very own intelligence community.

Have you learned any evidence of this from Muller's year long probe?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

The fact that the White House dropped Victor Cha as its nominee for ambassador to South Korea this late in the game because he expressed concerns about a military strike approach to North Korea, then that's very worrisome. It suggests that the White House is giving this option serious consideration.

If one of Rocket Man's nukes hit Florida, you would be happy that Tiller dropped him.

Personally, I would like to see Rocket Man launch a Nuke at us, land in some wheat field un-detonated, and then the UN remove him from power.

What chance will that happen?

[zeek]

The Stepford Wife-like Donald Cult https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/wea...es-moral-life/

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you learned any evidence of this from Muller's year long probe?

Muller has not disclosed anything that he has learned yet.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

By all accounts the election of Trump was totally legit.

What? Certainly not "by all accounts"

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What? Certainly not "by all accounts"

The top agencies in the world have had a whole year ... and found nothing!

The worst "evidence" of collusion "uncovered" so far was Comey's decision to reopen the investigation into Hilary's emails in Oct 2016.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Muller has not disclosed anything that he has learned yet.

Huh? Had they anything, it would have been leaked long ago.

Their chief investigator Strzok even told his sweetheart "there's no there there" here.

They are reporting the memo will be released tomorrow. If Muller had something, it would have been leaked this week.

Dems and liberals are all going nuts over this memo calling it a "coverup" to Trump's crimes, a constitutional crisis, and accusing House leaders of being Russian operatives and secret agents. If it is just a coverup, as they say, then they should want it to see the light of day and all get exposed, thus backfiring on Trump.

I think rather they are scared of the truth. For decades they have always promoted "transparency" in gov't, now they are flip-flopping in the wind like John Kerry. Did they miss the lessons of history in the recent movie "The Post" based on the pentagon papers?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

The Stepford Wife-like Donald Cult https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/wea...es-moral-life/

No links to the Cult of Clintons?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh? Had they anything, it would have been leaked long ago.

Foolish, if you leak what you have you give the defense lawyers a way to prepare. Much scarier and unnerving to know there is a sniper hiding in the woods aiming to take you out.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Their chief investigator Strzok even told his sweetheart "there's no there there" here.

How do you know that isn't disinformation? All is fair in war. Until he completes the investigation we do not know anything, except that Comey is implying a cover up, and Flynn has confessed to crimes and cut a deal. There are also hints from others, Bannon, etc.

Originally Posted by Ohio

They are reporting the memo will be released tomorrow. If Muller had something, it would have been leaked this week.

Dems and liberals are all going nuts over this memo calling it a "coverup" to Trump's crimes, a constitutional crisis, and accusing House leaders of being Russian operatives and secret agents. If it is just a coverup, as they say, then they should want it to see the light of day and all get exposed, thus backfiring on Trump.

I think rather they are scared of the truth. For decades they have always promoted "transparency" in gov't, now they are flip-flopping in the wind like John Kerry. Did they miss the lessons of history in the recent movie "The Post" based on the pentagon papers?

When this whole thing began I knew it would get ugly. Leaks, innuendo, denials, smear, accusations, discrediting, etc. This is how the rich and powerful fight their legal battles. Smear as much mud as possible so that there is "reasonable doubt". As a result I decided to ignore all of that, go about my business and wait for the final report. The longer this takes the more onus there is for there to be something there. If after six months Muller hadn't found anything he should have closed down the whole thing. But he obviously did find something (hence Flynn cutting a deal, and also the words from Pana..., and the quotes from Bannon). There is certainly enough at this point to justify the investigation even if they do not impeach Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Foolish, if you leak what you have you give the defense lawyers a way to prepare. Much scarier and unnerving to know there is a sniper hiding in the woods aiming to take you out.

How do you know that isn't disinformation? All is fair in war. Until he completes the investigation we do not know anything, except that Comey is implying a cover up, and Flynn has confessed to crimes and cut a deal. There are also hints from others, Bannon, etc.

When this whole thing began I knew it would get ugly. Leaks, innuendo, denials, smear, accusations, discrediting, etc. This is how the rich and powerful fight their legal battles. Smear as much mud as possible so that there is "reasonable doubt". As a result I decided to ignore all of that, go about my business and wait for the final report. The longer this takes the more onus there is for there to be something there. If after six months Muller hadn't found anything he should have closed down the whole thing. But he obviously did find something (hence Flynn cutting a deal, and also the words from Pana..., and the quotes from Bannon). There is certainly enough at this point to justify the investigation even if they do not impeach Trump.

You still making monthly payments on that bridge in Brooklyn?

Where's the collusion? Flynn lying to the FBI? No judge will uphold that once he learns that it was Strzok interviewing Flynn.

Bannon quotes in Wolf's book? Are you serious? That tabloid has the credibility of the Steele Dossier used to obtain the FISA order. Wait until "The Memo" exposes that to some sunshine.

Manafort laundered money from Russians? Big deal! How did that affect the election. What until we learn how much Russian money went to the Clinton Foundation, and how the "Russian Reset" button was concocted to deceive the American people. (And none of it went to Haiti as promised.)



Crooked Hillary giving away our Uranium to the Commies!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

No links to the Cult of Clintons?

The Clinton's are old news ; bird cage liner. Trump is the current personality cult leader. If you didn't hook your wagon to Clintoon, then you shouldn't Trump either.

[awareness]

Rising White House fear: Nunes memo is a dud
https://www.axios.com/rising-white-h...6d3329005.html

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

The Clinton's are old news ; bird cage liner. Trump is the current personality cult leader. If you didn't hook your wagon to Clintoon, then you shouldn't Trump either.

I do not understand all the vitriol.

1. Who cares if they spend $20 billion on a wall? FDR spent money on rest stops on highways. He paid to put an elevator in a mountain so that people in wheel chairs could go to the top. 100% of the money is spent in the US. 40% of the money will be returned to the US in the form of taxes. 100% will create good jobs to people who will in turn spend it in the US. The wall will help our country, it may not be worth $20 billion but who cares, our real cost is less than $10 billion, probably less than $5 billion. Far less than the cost of dealing with gang members, terrorists or 6 million illegal aliens.

2. Who cares if we spend $20 million on an investigation of our election, Russian interference, and possible collusion with Russia. Peace of mind is worth that, if we catch some bad guys all the better.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Rising White House fear: Nunes memo is a dud
https://www.axios.com/rising-white-h...6d3329005.html

If the FBI is truly "offended" then there needs to be some resignations at the highest level. Otherwise I will begin to buy into this whole "deep state" allegation and that they are just playing politics.

If they truly have a legitimate beef then the Justice department needs to ensure that the President honors those concerns. If that turns this memo into a dud then it is going to make the Republicans and the Whitehouse look really, really desperate. Sad.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The Clinton's are old news ; bird cage liner. Trump is the current personality cult leader. If you didn't hook your wagon to Clintoon, then you shouldn't Trump either.

We are talking about corruption and criminal activity -- the Clinton's are always relevant.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I do not understand all the vitriol.

1. Who cares if they spend $20 billion on a wall? FDR spent money on rest stops on highways. He paid to put an elevator in a mountain so that people in wheel chairs could go to the top. 100% of the money is spent in the US. 40% of the money will be returned to the US in the form of taxes. 100% will create good jobs to people who will in turn spend it in the US. The wall will help our country, it may not be worth $20 billion but who cares, our real cost is less than $10 billion, probably less than $5 billion. Far less than the cost of dealing with gang members, terrorists or 6 million illegal aliens.

And think about how much more the WALL will save taxpayers -- reduced border security, law enforcement, court costs, etc.

How much drugs and illegal criminal activity costs us everyday. What's the price on human life? The main stream media is hiding all the drug cartel murders, mass graves, dead journalists, tortured police and judges, etc. just across the border. Strong borders will help end their money supply, and reduce some of this. The wall will save Mexican lives and money.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If the FBI is truly "offended" then there needs to be some resignations at the highest level. Otherwise I will begin to buy into this whole "deep state" allegation and that they are just playing politics.

Wow! A convert!

Perhaps your view of "deep state" will move from the Grand Canyon to the Swamp.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And think about how much more the WALL will save taxpayers -- reduced border security, law enforcement, court costs, etc.

How much drugs and illegal criminal activity costs us everyday. What's the price on human life? The main stream media is hiding all the drug cartel murders, mass graves, dead journalists, tortured police and judges, etc. just across the border. Strong borders will help end their money supply, and reduce some of this. The wall will save Mexican lives and money.

The real threat are the tunnels for ferrying drugs, and the drug cartels have coordinated with terrorists in the past.

I think the $123 billion requested for the wall is a cover, not so much for a wall, which they will build but for the listening devices to catch them digging tunnels.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The real threat are the tunnels for ferrying drugs, and the drug cartels have coordinated with terrorists in the past.

I think the $123 billion requested for the wall is a cover, not so much for a wall, which they will build but for the listening devices to catch them digging tunnels.

We need a few Israeli advisors to help us find all of those tunnels.

Secondly, any private homes along the border should be subject to eminent domain. Tunnels require cover and access roads.

Trump was wise to showcase that border agent in his SOTU. Their morale is way up.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

We need a few Israeli advisors to help us find all of those tunnels.

Secondly, any private homes along the border should be subject to eminent domain. Tunnels require cover and access roads.

Trump was wise to showcase that border agent in his SOTU. Their morale is way up.

Not necessary. You would see the big trucks pulling up, follow them and break the entire network.

Also, the use of Drones will have a big impact as well.

Technology has made a huge impact on reducing crime, see no reason why it couldn't cut down on the Cartel's border crossings.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I do not understand all the vitriol.

1. Who cares if they spend $20 billion on a wall? FDR spent money on rest stops on highways. He paid to put an elevator in a mountain so that people in wheel chairs could go to the top. 100% of the money is spent in the US. 40% of the money will be returned to the US in the form of taxes. 100% will create good jobs to people who will in turn spend it in the US. The wall will help our country, it may not be worth $20 billion but who cares, our real cost is less than $10 billion, probably less than $5 billion. Far less than the cost of dealing with gang members, terrorists or 6 million illegal aliens.
And think about how much more the WALL will save taxpayers -- reduced border security, law enforcement, court costs, etc.

Hey fellas. If'n the wall has all those benefits, let's build walls all over the place.

Let's a build a wall around Capital Hillarious. There's a lot of bad hombre's in there. Then one around Alabama. There's pedophile's in there. I'd like one around Kentucky ... to wall off all the inbreeders.

And think of all the benefits of a wall between us and Canada. To wall off all those lousy liberals up there.

Fences make good neighbors. Let's fence off everybody. Think of all the jobs created, and money.

And make Russia pay for all of it.

But seriously. Mexico is our neighbor. Jesus instructed us to love our neighbors. Let's build bridges. Not walls. Think of all the jobs and money there would be in that.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Hey fellas. If'n the wall has all those benefits, let's build walls all over the place.

Let's a build a wall around Capital Hillarious. There's a lot of bad hombre's in there. Then one around Alabama. There's pedophile's in there. I'd like one around Kentucky ... to wall off all the inbreeders.

And think of all the benefits of a wall between us and Canada. To wall off all those lousy liberals up there.

Fences make good neighbors. Let's fence off everybody. Think of all the jobs created, and money.

And make Russia pay for all of it.

But seriously. Mexico is our neighbor. Jesus instructed us to love our neighbors. Let's build bridges. Not walls. Think of all the jobs and money there would be in that.

I agree that there is a much better and more profitable structure that could be built on the border than a wall, one that would be a real solution to all of the issues (Dreamers, 6 million illegals in the country, lack of jobs, US debt, trade deficit, as well as securing the border). But Trump has a very limited vision. This is his poor imitation of Eisenhower building the highways or FDR doing a works program, or TR building the Panama canal.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Hey fellas. If'n the wall has all those benefits, let's build walls all over the place.

Let's a build a wall around Capital Hillarious. There's a lot of bad hombre's in there. Then one around Alabama. There's pedophile's in there. I'd like one around Kentucky ... to wall off all the inbreeders.

And think of all the benefits of a wall between us and Canada. To wall off all those lousy liberals up there.

Fences make good neighbors. Let's fence off everybody. Think of all the jobs created, and money.

And make Russia pay for all of it.

But seriously. Mexico is our neighbor. Jesus instructed us to love our neighbors. Let's build bridges. Not walls. Think of all the jobs and money there would be in that.

Build the wall around that Pathetic Punxatawney Phil who just assured us of another 6 weeks of Winter.

Amen to more walls!

Soon as this winter ends, I'm gonna build one too.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree that there is a much better and more profitable structure that could be built on the border than a wall, one that would be a real solution to all of the issues (Dreamers, 6 million illegals in the country, lack of jobs, US debt, trade deficit, as well as securing the border). But Trump has a very limited vision. This is his poor imitation of Eisenhower building the highways or FDR doing a works program, or TR building the Panama canal.

So funny!

Why spend all that money on a wall when we could spend that and a whole lot more to house, feed, educate, medicate, arrest, and imprison, etc. all of these illegal aliens?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

So funny!

Why spend all that money on a wall when we could spend that and a whole lot more to house, feed, educate, medicate, arrest, and imprison, etc. all of these illegal aliens?

What are you talking about? How would that reduce the national debt? Nor does this solve the issue of people coming in illegally and jumping the line on those who followed the rules. Your plan is idiotic, sorry to say.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What are you talking about? How would that reduce the national debt? Nor does this solve the issue of people coming in illegally and jumping the line on those who followed the rules. Your plan is idiotic, sorry to say.

What do you mean?

I just said, "Why spend all that money on a wall when we could spend that and a whole lot more to house, feed, educate, medicate, arrest, and imprison, etc. all of these illegal aliens."

Isn't that the plan you're espousing by NOT building the wall, and continuing with the status quo?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What do you mean?

I just said, "Why spend all that money on a wall when we could spend that and a whole lot more to house, feed, educate, medicate, arrest, and imprison, etc. all of these illegal aliens."

Isn't that the plan you're espousing by NOT building the wall, and continuing with the status quo?

No. Never espoused that plan.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

No. Never espoused that plan.

They are already doing what you have recommended.

The border agents themselves are clamoring for a WALL.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

They are already doing what you have recommended.

The border agents themselves are clamoring for a WALL.

I can assure you they are not "already doing" what I would recommend.

And I can also assure you that my recommendation would result in a much more secure border.

[zeek]

James Comey is a liar.
Christopher Steele is liar.
Glenn Simpson is a liar.
Steve Bannon is a liar.
Michael Wolff is a liar.
Michael Flynn is a liar.
George Papadopoulas is a liar.
Rience Priebus is a liar.
Robert Mueller is a liar.
Rep. Frederica Wilson is a liar.
John Brennon is a liar.
Jams Clapper is a liar.
San Juan Mayor Carmen Cruz is a liar.
Barack Obama is liar.
The FBI are liars.
The CIA are liars.
The NSA are liars.
CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post are all liars.
16 sexual harassment victims are liars.
The Boy Scouts of America are liars.
Anyone who criticizes Trump is a liar.

Only Donald J Trump, proven serial pathological liar and Vladimir Putin are telling the truth.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

James Come is a liar.
Christopher Steele is liar.
Glenn Simpson is a liar.
Steve Bannon is a liar.
Michael Wolff is a liar.
Michael Flynn is a liar.
George Papadopoulas is a liar.
Rience Priebus is a liar.
Robert Mueller is a liar.
Rep. Frederica Wilson is a liar.
John Brennon is a liar.
Jams Clapper is a liar.
San Juan Mayor Carmen Cruz is a liar.
Barack Obama is liar.
The FBI are liars.
The CIA are liars.
The NSA are liars.
CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post are all liars.
16 sexual harassment victims are liars.
The Boy Scouts of America are liars.
Anyone who criticizes Trump is a liar.

Only Donald J Trump, proven serial pathological liar and Vladimir Putin are telling the truth.

All of this is fake news ... so says a compulsive liar ... just projections from the Prevaricator-in-Chief.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Only Donald J Trump, proven serial pathological liar and Vladimir Putin are telling the truth.

Oh, so there is still hope. Thank goodness.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

James Come is a liar.
Christopher Steele is liar.
Glenn Simpson is a liar.
Steve Bannon is a liar.
Michael Wolff is a liar.
Michael Flynn is a liar.
George Papadopoulas is a liar.
Rience Priebus is a liar.
Robert Mueller is a liar.
Rep. Frederica Wilson is a liar.
John Brennon is a liar.
Jams Clapper is a liar.
San Juan Mayor Carmen Cruz is a liar.
Barack Obama is liar.
The FBI are liars.
The CIA are liars.
The NSA are liars.
CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, The New York Times, and The Washington Post are all liars.
16 sexual harassment victims are liars.
The Boy Scouts of America are liars.
Anyone who criticizes Trump is a liar.

Only Donald J Trump, proven serial pathological liar and Vladimir Putin are telling the truth.

Exaggerations, deceptions, generalizations, misdirections ... are you also on that list?

[awareness]

Donald Trump Attacks Democrats Not Clapping At State Of The Union As ‘Treasonous’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8196081.html

And also brags that he's non-braggadocios.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

Donald Trump Attacks Democrats Not Clapping At State Of The Union As ‘Treasonous’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8196081.html

And also brags that he's non-braggadocios.

Yeah. I heard him say they were "un-American". He makes McCarthy look open-minded. He wants to compel our respect. The big baby. Emperor Donald Dufus the would-be dictator of the former Republic of Amerika. Trump had barely finished his victory lap after the State of the Union when Dow ended wild day down 1,175 points, the largest point drop in history. By tomorrow morning he will be tweeting out how Crooked Hillary and Obama caused today's Stock market crash.

[ZNPaaneah]

Some of the Eagles players are refusing the Whitehouse invite. If all but two refuse that will be a very powerful optic -- like leaving a tip of 2 pennies.

If everyone refuses they'll cancel the event, so no optic. If only 3 refuse no one will notice.

Maybe only the punter, kicker, and ball boys show up.

My question is if this is "treasonous" or just "un-American"? Hopefully Trump will clear up this confusion in his next tweet.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Some of the Eagles players are refusing the Whitehouse invite. If all but two refuse that will be a very powerful optic -- like leaving a tip of 2 pennies.

If everyone refuses they'll cancel the event, so no optic. If only 3 refuse no one will notice.

Maybe only the punter, kicker, and ball boys show up.

My question is if this is "treasonous" or just "un-American"? Hopefully Trump will clear up this confusion in his next tweet.

Everything is "treasonous" in today's charged political climate.

Even diet coke and cheeseburgers!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Everything is "treasonous" in today's charged political climate.

Even diet coke and cheeseburgers!

I knew French Fries were, but didn't know that Coke was, what could be more American than an addictive drink made in the South with a secret formula.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Yeah. I heard him say they were "un-American". He makes McCarthy look open-minded. He wants to compel our respect. The big baby. Emperor Donald Dufus the would-be dictator of the former Republic of Amerika. Trump had barely finished his victory lap after the State of the Union when Dow ended wild day down 1,175 points, the largest point drop in history. By tomorrow morning he will be tweeting out how Crooked Hillary and Obama caused today's Stock market crash.

Wrong! Just Obama.

Yup. Sean Hannity Found A Way To Blame Obama For The Stock Market Drop

[Ohio]

We are witnessing the greatest corruption scandal in American history.

Soon senior officials at the FBI and DOJ will be indicted for conspiring to exonerate Hilary and destroy the Trump presidency.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

We are witnessing the greatest corruption scandal in American history.

Soon senior officials at the FBI and DOJ will be indicted for conspiring to exonerate Hilary and destroy the Trump presidency.

It has been a long time coming from Box 30 to JFK assassination to Watergate to Gulf War to 911 to the Mortgage Crisis.

And now we have a billionaire real estate developer telling us that it was the immigrants all along.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wrong! Just Obama.

Yup. Sean Hannity Found A Way To Blame Obama For The Stock Market Drop

Sean Hannity -- Trump's hand puppet.

[ZNPaaneah]

Will soon be heading to Davos, Switzerland, to tell the world how great America is and is doing. Our economy is now booming and with all I am doing, will only get better...Our country is finally WINNING again!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 25, 2018

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Will soon be heading to Davos, Switzerland, to tell the world how great America is and is doing. Our economy is now booming and with all I am doing, will only get better...Our country is finally WINNING again!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 25, 2018

Refreshing message. Thanks.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Refreshing message. Thanks.

Yes, I think we all would have found it refreshing that he was going to Switzerland, unfortunately he came back.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, I think we all would have found it refreshing that he was going to Switzerland, unfortunately he came back.

Read Romans 13.1-3

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Read Romans 13.1-3

13 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:

So we agree on allowing Mueller to complete his investigation and for Trump to be in subjection to the ruling.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

13 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:

So we agree on allowing Mueller to complete his investigation and for Trump to be in subjection to the ruling.

The Muller investigation was a fraud. McCabe deceived Sessions into recusing himself.

[zeek]

“I want people to feel uncomfortable. I want them to have to answer people at home who said, how come you were against President Obama’s deficits and then how come you’re for Republican deficits? Isn’t that the very definition of intellectual dishonesty If you were against President Obama’s deficits, and now you’re for the Republican deficits, isn’t that the very definition of hypocrisy?”

The anxiety that has gripped the market this week appeared to escalate Thursday just as President Donald Trump and lawmakers were setting the government up for annual budget deficits that would routinely exceed $1 trillion. The higher that deficits rise, the more likely it is that interest rates will surge, too, and undercut corporate profits, stock prices, consumer spending and the overall economy.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

“I want people to feel uncomfortable. I want them to have to answer people at home who said, how come you were against President Obama’s deficits and then how come you’re for Republican deficits? Isn’t that the very definition of intellectual dishonesty If you were against President Obama’s deficits, and now you’re for the Republican deficits, isn’t that the very definition of hypocrisy?”

The anxiety that has gripped the market this week appeared to escalate Thursday just as President Donald Trump and lawmakers were setting the government up for annual budget deficits that would routinely exceed $1 trillion. The higher that deficits rise, the more likely it is that interest rates will surge, too, and undercut corporate profits, stock prices, consumer spending and the overall economy.

The big one is consumer spending. We discovered this with Henry Ford and the $5 day. When he gave his workers a big fat raise it gave them enough money to buy his cars. The only way we have seen wealth increase for the richest is if it also increases for the poorest. Many economists believe this is what caused the great depression, salaries didn't rise fast enough to keep up with production.

[Ohio]

Rachel Brand, #3 at the Justice Department, after Bruce Ohr was demoted for his connections to the Steele Dossier, quits to take a "dream job" at WalMart.

Former Obama State Department official Jonathan Winer, in an attempt to come clean and shape the narrative before being exposed, confirmed that he passed on the dossier from Clinton operatives to Christopher Steele the author of the infamous Trump dossier.

Poll: Americans ‘Overwhelmingly’ Believe Obama ‘Improperly Surveilled’ Trump Campaign.

Of course, we all know that I only believe the polls when they are favorable to my cause.

Can't make this stuff up folks!

[awareness]

Who said virgin birth's aren't possible? :

Virgin, 29, who used a sperm donor to get pregnant is expecting her first baby in June

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-pregnant.html

[ZNPaaneah]

I don't understand why Trump would condemn Al Franken for the inappropriate picture of him on the airplane pretending to fondle the woman and not condemn his recently fired aide when the picture of the black eye on his x wife surfaced?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I don't understand why Trump would condemn Al Franken for the inappropriate picture of him on the airplane pretending to fondle the woman and not condemn his recently fired aide when the picture of the black eye on his x wife surfaced?

Simple. Because Franken was an extremely vocal critic of Trump.

Today Trump c'punched SCOTUS Justice Ginsberg for her "very dumb political statements," saying "her mind is shot - resign!"

The SCOTUS used to be totally off limits until Yobama went after Alito in the SOTU a few years back.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Today Trump c'punched SCOTUS Justice Ginsberg for her "very dumb political statements," saying "her mind is shot - resign!"

Every now and then, as much as I hate to say it, he says something you gotta love.

[Ohio]

More "Clinton Collateral" folks ...

Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump

As most the world knows by now, a plane crashed in Russia this morning a few minutes after takeoff, killing everyone aboard. As Russian authorities released passenger names on the official Death list, several of those now-deceased names raised immediate "red flags" because they appear to be directly connected to the Hillary Clinton / Barack Obama UraniumOne Conspiracy and to the (fake) "Russian Dossier" used to smear President Trump.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

More "Clinton Collateral" folks ...

Passengers Killed on Crashed Russian Plane Include CFO of Rosatom/UraniumOne and Russian Source for Christopher Steele's "Dossier" against Trump

As most the world knows by now, a plane crashed in Russia this morning a few minutes after takeoff, killing everyone aboard. As Russian authorities released passenger names on the official Death list, several of those now-deceased names raised immediate "red flags" because they appear to be directly connected to the Hillary Clinton / Barack Obama UraniumOne Conspiracy and to the (fake) "Russian Dossier" used to smear President Trump.

Your source, "Hal" Turner is a American white nationalist and Holocaust denier. Your kind of guy, no doubt. But the story is debunked here: https://www.snopes.com/uranium-one-vyacheslav-ivanov/

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Your source, "Hal" Turner is a American white nationalist and Holocaust denier. Your kind of guy, no doubt. But the story is debunked here: https://www.snopes.com/uranium-one-vyacheslav-ivanov/

My kind of guy? Never heard of him.

Apparently "your kind of guy," The Trump-hating Harvard law professor started this rumor on Twitter. So will you now denounce the use of twitter and liberal law profs?

Anti-Trump Harvard Law prof Laurence Tribe falsely claims dossier source killed in Russia plane crash

"The tweet, which Tribe deleted but was preserved by the Daily Caller in a screenshot, included a link to a Washington Post report from last year that claimed Millian had told dossier author Christopher Steele that the Kremlin is blackmailing President Trump."

More Fake News! I should have known not to trust anything about "Russia, Russia, Russia," and Trump.

.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

My kind of guy? Never heard of him.

Apparently "your kind of guy," The Trump-hating Harvard law professor started this rumor on Twitter. So will you now denounce the use of twitter and liberal law profs?

Anti-Trump Harvard Law prof Laurence Tribe falsely claims dossier source killed in Russia plane crash

"The tweet, which Tribe deleted but was preserved by the Daily Caller in a screenshot, included a link to a Washington Post report from last year that claimed Millian had told dossier author Christopher Steele that the Kremlin is blackmailing President Trump."

More Fake News! I should have known not to trust anything about "Russia, Russia, Russia," and Trump.

.

According to the article Tribe admitted he may have been mistaken and apologized. What about your source?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

According to the article Tribe admitted he may have been mistaken and apologized. What about your source?

Source for that link is Fox News.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Source for that link is Fox News.

I was referring to Hal Turner, the source of your false "more Clinton Collateral" claim.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

I was referring to Hal Turner, the source of your false "more Clinton Collateral" claim.

Source was google.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Source was google.

Where'd you learn to be evasive like that? Were you ever in the local church?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Where'd you learn to be evasive like that? Were you ever in the local church?

I get accused of all sorts of things by you ... all guilt by association.

[zeek]

(CNN)"Special counsel Robert Mueller has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States, the Department of Justice announced Friday.

In addition, three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft. The Internet Research Agency had a "strategic goal to sow discord in the US political system" including the election, according to the indictment. Russians posted "derogatory information about a number of candidates," and by mid-2016 they supported Trump and disparaged Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. They bought ads and communicated with "unwitting" people tied to Trump campaign and others to coordinate political activities."

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

(CNN)"Special counsel Robert Mueller has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States, the Department of Justice announced Friday.

In addition, three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft. The Internet Research Agency had a "strategic goal to sow discord in the US political system" including the election, according to the indictment. Russians posted "derogatory information about a number of candidates," and by mid-2016 they supported Trump and disparaged Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. They bought ads and communicated with "unwitting" people tied to Trump campaign and others to coordinate political activities."

The Mueller investigation is a hoax, done by China, or by a fat 400 pound kid in a basement ... so says Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

(CNN)"Special counsel Robert Mueller has indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States, the Department of Justice announced Friday.

In addition, three defendants were charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and five defendants with aggravated identity theft. The Internet Research Agency had a "strategic goal to sow discord in the US political system" including the election, according to the indictment. Russians posted "derogatory information about a number of candidates," and by mid-2016 they supported Trump and disparaged Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. They bought ads and communicated with "unwitting" people tied to Trump campaign and others to coordinate political activities."

We have known since the 1960's that Russia has meddled in our elections. How is this then "news?" In fact, former CIA Director Brennan voted for the Communist Party during the 1976 presidential election, and supposedly this proved what a great and diverse nation we have.

Once again I ask, where is the collusion with Trump? Where is the justification for unmasking Flynn? Wiretaps?

The Clinton campaign paid for the unsubstantiated and salicious Steele Dossier which was used to fool a judge into providing FISA warrants to spy on Trump. Where is justice for all of these crimes?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The Mueller investigation is a hoax, done by China, or by a fat 400 pound kid in a basement ... so says Trump.

Muller's work is a farce. Is Russia going to extradite these 13 characters to the US for trial? Won't they have "diplomatic status?"

We tried to get Edward Snowden. How did that go?

Pay attention to this statement: “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” Rosenstein said. “There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

"People hear what they want and discard the rest." Others hear about 400# kids in the basement.

[Ohio]

The FBI admits it failed to act on a warning about Florida shooter Nikolas Cruz when informed about potentially dangerous behavior.

The warning came from a person close to Cruz on an anonymous FBI tipline warning about his possession of a gun, his disturbing social media posts, and his desire to kill people, according to the FBI.

The tip-off was delivered on January 5, 2018, just 6 weeks ago!

And how many FBI agents wasted their time on the phony "Russian Collusion."

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Muller's work is a farce. Is Russia going to extradite these 13 characters to the US for trial? Won't they have "diplomatic status?"

We tried to get Edward Snowden. How did that go?

Pay attention to this statement: “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” Rosenstein said. “There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

"People hear what they want and discard the rest." Others hear about 400# kids in the basement.

If Russia's intent is to destroy the US credibility in our government by meddling in our elections and if there was no collusion with Trump then by all means they should extradite them. In the trial they could claim they worked with Trump's campaign, that would throw the country into a tissy. Surely that would accomplish Putin's goals better than anything, except of course a President that is beholden to him.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If Russia's intent is to destroy the US credibility in our government by meddling in our elections and if there was no collusion with Trump then by all means they should extradite them. In the trial they could claim they worked with Trump's campaign, that would throw the country into a tissy. Surely that would accomplish Putin's goals better than anything, except of course a President that is beholden to him.

These kind of ungrounded, baseless comments only win you points with fellow liberal Trump-haters.

Putin's goal was to divide the country. Russians have been doing this for decades. Folks like you play right into their hands.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Pay attention to this statement: [B]“There is no allegation in this indictment
. . .

Note "this" in the above quote.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Note "this" in the above quote.

Yes, the indictment does seem to indicate that is particularly focused and will be followed by others.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

These kind of ungrounded, baseless comments only win you points with fellow liberal Trump-haters.

Putin's goal was to divide the country. Russians have been doing this for decades. Folks like you play right into their hands.

This indictment could play right into his hands, that is my point.

Yes, fellow patriots like myself applaud an investigation into Russian meddling in our election. So far there have been quite a few people who have pled guilty and are cooperating with Mueller. That tells me that those of you screaming about how this investigation was "fake news" were misled. It also tells me there is more to come and he is not yet finished handing out indictments.

Finally, Trump and his administration admits the Russians meddled in the election, agrees that the Russians helped him win, and completely obliterates any "conspiracy" claims about the investigation. Yes, we can get somewhere.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This indictment could play right into his hands, that is my point.

Yes, fellow patriots like myself applaud an investigation into Russian meddling in our election. So far there have been quite a few people who have pled guilty and are cooperating with Mueller. That tells me that those of you screaming about how this investigation was "fake news" were misled. It also tells me there is more to come and he is not yet finished handing out indictments.

Finally, Trump and his administration admits the Russians meddled in the election, agrees that the Russians helped him win, and completely obliterates any "conspiracy" claims about the investigation. Yes, we can get somewhere.

Who has pled guilty to collusion?

THERE IS STILL NO PROOF OF TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION DURING ELECTION.

And rumor has it that this new judge will throw out the Flynn fake conviction of lying to crooked agent Strzok while NOT under oath or represented by his lawyer.

The Russians have meddled in American politics for many decades. No one denied that. Obama knew that and did nothing. Where is the outrage at him? Obviously the Obama administration was convinced that Russian meddling would help Sanders or Clinton.

Trump Hate really does blind people to the facts, even forensics teachers.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Who has pled guilty to collusion?

THERE IS STILL NO PROOF OF TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION DURING ELECTION.

There is no indictment for collusion, but that is not the same as "no evidence for collusion". It is far too early for us to say there is no evidence. What there is clearly indictments for is Russian meddling to help Trump get elected. We also have a number of people who have pled guilty and are working with the prosecution. There is no reason for the prosecutor to cut deals if this is all he has. Everything, including the wording on these indictments, indicates that there is still more to come.

Originally Posted by Ohio

And rumor has it that this new judge will throw out the Flynn fake conviction of lying to crooked agent Strzok while NOT under oath or represented by his lawyer.

The Russians have meddled in American politics for many decades. No one denied that. Obama knew that and did nothing. Where is the outrage at him? Obviously the Obama administration was convinced that Russian meddling would help Sanders or Clinton.

Trump Hate really does blind people to the facts, even forensics teachers.

Please. Are you now upset that the US government is investigating Russian meddling in our elections? That is absurd.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is no indictment for collusion, but that is not the same as "no evidence for collusion". It is far too early for us to say there is no evidence. What there is clearly indictments for is Russian meddling to help Trump get elected. We also have a number of people who have pled guilty and are working with the prosecution. There is no reason for the prosecutor to cut deals if this is all he has. Everything, including the wording on these indictments, indicates that there is still more to come.



Please. Are you now upset that the US government is investigating Russian meddling in our elections? That is absurd.

Ohio's knee-jerk response is to defend the alpha male. It's a characteristic that would have put him in good stead in the LCM.

He seems to imagine that he "knows" the real truth behind the scenes in advance better than any special prosecutor could possibly find out through investigation. Just like Trump, he declares over and over how whatever is found "proves" that there was no "collusion".

Authoritarian mindsets are the human medium for the outer ripples of the sound wave in Trump's echo chamber.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is no indictment for collusion, but that is not the same as "no evidence for collusion". It is far too early for us to say there is no evidence. What there is clearly indictments for is Russian meddling to help Trump get elected. We also have a number of people who have pled guilty and are working with the prosecution. There is no reason for the prosecutor to cut deals if this is all he has. Everything, including the wording on these indictments, indicates that there is still more to come.

Please. Are you now upset that the US government is investigating Russian meddling in our elections? That is absurd.

After more than a year, if there was ANY evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians, then it would have been leaked out long ago.

Instead we DO see collusion by the Obama administration and Clinton campaign which proves collusion with the Russians. Exhibit No. 1 is the Dossier paid for by the Clintons, used by Obama FBI and DOJ to spy on Team Trump. Obviously you have missed all that news watching CNN.

If you want the US to investigate Russian meddling in our elections, why are you not upset that Obama did NOTHING about it in 2016? The current investigation by FBI started in 2014, long before Trump came along. If you really want the US to investigate Russian corruption in our government, why are you not upset about the Uranium One deal, with hundreds of millions going from Russia to the Clinton Foundation, and 20% of our Uranium going to them?

Stop watching main stream media and learn what really happens!

[Ohio]

Careful who you hang out with, ZNP.

NY Teacher, Twin Brother Charged with Paying Students to Make Bombs

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

After more than a year, if there was ANY evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians, then it would have been leaked out long ago.

Collusion refers to secret cooperation to cheat. This indictment proves there was an organized effort by the Russians to cheat our election and get Trump elected. Therefore, this indictment, although it does not provide evidence of Trump's cooperation, it does set the stage for further indictments for collusion. Once you have established the Russian meddling, it is simply a matter of providing evidence of meetings with them that were lied about (that has leaked out). If you have those two a judge would probably permit the use of NSA tapes of communications. It will be difficult to prove Trump cooperated unless he was stupid enough to do it on the phone or in an electronic communication, but it may be a lot easier to "crack Don Jr. like an egg" or convict Kushner. As for leaks no one had any idea these indictments were coming. They thought the press conference would be about Florida. That shows Mueller runs a very tight ship.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Instead we DO see collusion by the Obama administration and Clinton campaign which proves collusion with the Russians. Exhibit No. 1 is the Dossier paid for by the Clintons, used by Obama FBI and DOJ to spy on Team Trump. Obviously you have missed all that news watching CNN.

Nope, didn't miss it. Not a crime to dig dirt on an opponent in an election. As I recall the whole "golden showers" is about Donald Trump and Russian prostitutes. The concern is that he is open to being blackmailed and manipulated by the Russians. The latest revelation of the two affairs Trump had "buried" by paying approximately $130,00 to each of those prostitutes indicates the "golden showers" allegations are consistent with his character.

Also, look at how good Mueller is at not tipping his hand. The indictment says the Russians contacted "unwitting" members of Trumps campaign. That could have been anyone! Don Jr., Kushner, Sessions, Flynn, Pappadapolous, Manafort, Bannon, even Trump -- they have all been described as "unwitting".

Originally Posted by Ohio

If you want the US to investigate Russian meddling in our elections, why are you not upset that Obama did NOTHING about it in 2016? The current investigation by FBI started in 2014, long before Trump came along. If you really want the US to investigate Russian corruption in our government, why are you not upset about the Uranium One deal, with hundreds of millions going from Russia to the Clinton Foundation, and 20% of our Uranium going to them?

These investigations take years. Mueller and his team have not hidden the fact that this started in 2014 and that should put egg and mud on the Obama administration. That also explains why they don't do these investigations because it brings down a lot of people. I applaud all of it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Kim Zolciak-Biermann buys her kids bulletproof backpacks after Florida school shooting

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Kim Zolciak-Biermann buys her kids bulletproof backpacks after Florida school shooting

What Kim seems to not realize is that, it's all about Trump. Didn't she see Trump at Parkland, with his big smile and thumbs up?

And her concern -- obviously misplaced -- should be for the fake collusion, that Trump says the FBI was too busy with to catch Cruz.

Instead of bulletproof backpacks, she should stop and ask herself ; Is the collusion investigation responsible for the death of those kids? And rather put her efforts into preventing all other shootings, by pitching in to put a stop to Trump's fake collusion.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

What Kim seems to not realize is that, it's all about Trump. Didn't she see Trump at Parkland, with his big smile and thumbs up?

And her concern -- obviously misplaced -- should be for the fake collusion, that Trump says the FBI was too busy with to catch Cruz.

Instead of bulletproof backpacks, she should stop and ask herself ; Is the collusion investigation responsible for the death of those kids? And rather put her efforts into preventing all other shootings, by pitching in to put a stop to Trump's fake collusion.

Kim Kardashian shocks fans as she posts picture of 'daddy's muse' North West wearing 'BULLETPROOF vest'... and of course it was designed by Kanye

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[Ohio]

Just posting this for objective "lurkers," since hard-core liberals will dismiss it.

How A Plea Reversal From Michael Flynn Could Uncover More Federal Corruption

On Friday, Judge Emmet Sullivan issued an order in United States v. Flynn that, while widely unnoticed, reveals something fascinating: A motion by Michael Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct is likely in the works.

Just a week ago, and thus before Sullivan quietly directed Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team to provide Flynn’s attorneys “any exculpatory evidence,” Washington Examiner columnist Byron York detailed the oddities of Flynn’s case. The next day, former assistant U.S. attorney and National Review contributing editor Andrew McCarthy connected more of the questionable dots. York added even more details a couple of days later. Together these articles provide the backdrop necessary to understand the significance of Sullivan’s order on Friday.

[zeek]

"A former top aide to Donald Trump's presidential campaign will plead guilty to fraud-related charges within days — and has made clear to prosecutors that he would testify against Paul Manafort, the lawyer-lobbyist who once managed the campaign.

The change of heart by Trump's former deputy campaign manager Richard Gates, who had pleaded not guilty after being indicted in October on charges similar to Manafort's, was described in interviews by people familiar with the case.

"Rick Gates is going to change his plea to guilty,'' said a person with direct knowledge of the new developments, adding that the revised plea will be presented in federal court in Washington "within the next few days.' "

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...218-story.html

[Ohio]

The REAL Russian collusion:

Michael Moore participated in anti-Trump rally allegedly organized by Russians

Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016.

Moore has repeatedly claimed that President Trump inappropriately colluded with Russians.

Last year, Moore wrote on Facebook: "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was going on: TRUMP COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS TO THROW THE ELECTION TO HIM."

Apparently it just takes a little *common sense* to know fake news.

[zeek]

BREAKING NEWS FEB 21 2018, 8:46 AM ET
Billy Graham, evangelist pastor and counselor to presidents, dead at age 99


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...age-99-n701276

[ZNPaaneah]

Gates, Papadapolous and Flynn have pled guilty, Manafort has pled not guilty but could get 15 years if found guilty.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Gates, Papadapolous and Flynn have pled guilty, Manafort has pled not guilty but could get 15 years if found guilty.

Manafort just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper.

Trump must have known about his larcenies. Must be what he meant when he said he'd select the best people. The best at what?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Manafort just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper.

Trump must have known about his larcenies. Must be what he meant when he said he'd select the best people. The best at what?

This money laundry charge concerning his campaign aides might be enough for Mueller to get access to Trump's tax return.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This money laundry charge concerning his campaign aides might be enough for Mueller to get access to Trump's tax return.

Secret Money: How Trump Made Millions Selling Condos To Unknown Buyers
Records show that more than 1,300 Trump condominiums were bought not by people but by shell companies, and that the purchases were made without a mortgage, avoiding inquiries from lenders.

Those two characteristics signal that a buyer may be laundering money

https://www.buzzfeed.com/thomasfrank...q11#.wbmjQjXll

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

Manafort just keeps digging his hole deeper and deeper.

Trump must have known about his larcenies. Must be what he meant when he said he'd select the best people. The best at what?

"Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, Pleads Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Will Cooperate Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, Pleads Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Will Cooperate" [NYT]

The plea deal could be a sign that Mr. Gates plans to share incriminating information against Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman, or other members of the campaign.

[ZNPaaneah]

Since they continually claim that we have not seen any evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians let's consider that.

1. We have seen evidence that the Russians meddled in the campaign.

2. We have seen evidence that this meddling was intended to help Trump win, at least from the time it was Clinton vs Trump.

3. We have seen 3 members of Trump's campaign, 2 from the inner circle plead guilty presumably as part of a deal with Mueller. That would indicate they had information that Mueller was willing to trade for.

4. We have seen evidence of high level meetings between Trump's campaign and the Russians.

What we have not seen, but would like to see is a careful examination of Donald Trump's financial records, as well as his children and in-laws financial record.

Instead of collusion, we may very well find a much more serious crime of money laundering, bribery and extortion.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Since they continually claim that we have not seen any evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians let's consider that.

1. We have seen evidence that the Russians meddled in the campaign.
Everyone knows they meddle in our elections. Done so for since the 1920's. And we meddled in elections all over the world too. Obama meddled in Israel's recent election. "Meddling" obfuscates "collusion" for the ignorant.

2. We have seen evidence that this meddling was intended to help Trump win, at least from the time it was Clinton vs Trump.
The Russians tried to help Bernie, Hilary, Jill Stein, Trump, and others. Their goal was to divide the country. They are still doing a great job of this, even though they spent fractions of a penny for every Hilary dollar.

3. We have seen 3 members of Trump's campaign, 2 from the inner circle plead guilty presumably as part of a deal with Mueller. That would indicate they had information that Mueller was willing to trade for.
Flynn's crime, for one, was a "process crime," iow there was NO CRIME until Muller began investigating him (Strzok did so illegally too,) -- Just keep interrogating these folks until we can prove some sort of lie.

4. We have seen evidence of high level meetings between Trump's campaign and the Russians.
How does this compare with Hilary paying millions for the Russian Dossier? Talk about meddling in an election!

What we have not seen, but would like to see is a careful examination of Donald Trump's financial records, as well as his children and in-laws financial record.
By golly, if we have to go back to the 1970's, we'll find a crime some where! Check his ex-wives! Check his neighbors! How about his deceased parents! Let's go back to the 10th generation!

Instead of collusion, we may very well find a much more serious crime of money laundering, bribery and extortion.
Ahhh! The real goal of the special prosecutor! What happened to the election results?

[awareness]

In your neck of the woods bro Ohio :

Elementary school cancels classes after nearby church invites members to bring AR-15 rifles to a commitment ceremony because they believe it's the Bible's 'rod of iron'

"World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania believes the AR-15 symbolizes the 'rod of iron' in the biblical book of Revelation, and it is encouraging couples to bring the weapons to a commitment ceremony."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...15-rifles.html

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

In your neck of the woods bro Ohio :

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Elementary school cancels classes after nearby church invites members to bring AR-15 rifles to a commitment ceremony because they believe it's the Bible's 'rod of iron'

I had some thoughts about Trump's plan to arm teachers.

1. He has suggested arming teachers who used to be special forces and highly trained. I have no issue with that. However, I have known several hundred teachers and have yet to meet one who used to be special forces or highly trained. In fact the only two that even come close were a teacher who was a former police officer and a teacher in the coast guard. The former police officer was a woman, quite petite, and hadn't been in the police for over 10 years. The coast guard guy would be worse, his attendance was very poor, having been called out frequently. Therefore I find it completely unrealistic to think you would find 10 or 20% of teachers suitably trained. In my experience you would be lucky to find 1%.

2. He has suggested that the teachers with guns would be a secret. I find that to be a terrible and unrealistic idea. First, if I was one of these armed teachers (I have had experience firing a gun which probably puts me into the 20% group for NY) I would want to have frequent drills. We currently have fire drills and various drills for these kind of attacks. Every student in the school would learn who were the teachers with the guns. Second, I would hate to be "incognito" knowing that SWAT team was coming to take down a shooter. I would want a special jacket so that innocent kids could get out of the way and so SWAT team wouldn't shoot me.

3. How does this work? Do I guard a corner of the hallway or do I run to where I hear gunshots? It seems like a lose/lose to me. My school is on the third floor of our building, a different school is on each floor. If I hear shots downstairs and go downstairs only to have the shooter come upstairs and shoot up my hallway I would be blamed. If I stay upstairs while the shooter shoots up the school downstairs I would be blamed.

4. Where are you going to keep these guns? It is completely unrealistic to have your gun in a holster. Kids in high school do not give you space the way you might give a cop. The only thing that makes sense to me is to have them in safes in the hallway like fire extinguishers so that whoever is trained and available could quickly run to the safe and get it. Unless you can show me a working model of these safes that would make sense the whole plan seems idiotic.

5. Our building is 5 floors. You would need at least 4 people on each floor (at the four corners) and to be fair you probably want 8. To get 8 you probably need 12 who are trained (teachers are frequently out of the building at required trainings, etc). That is closer to 30% of our staff, not 20%. So then we are talking about 60 guns and 60 safes per school. Is this just some kind of marketing ploy? I assume the cost would be at least $20,000 per school, where does this money come from? Because to be honest I would much rather buy a class set of working laptops.

6. I was joking with my students today that if I was expected to shoot a kid with a machine gun in the midst of all the chaos I would have to practice shooting kids in more controlled situations first. But, joking aside, you can't expect this to work unless these teachers are given significant training, in the building, perhaps on Saturday's. That would involve per session for the teachers (60 of them) and for the cops who come in and set up the drill. A single Saturday could run the school $10,000 and you would definitely want to have a bare minimum of 2 drills per year like that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I had some thoughts about Trump's plan to arm teachers.

It seemed that none of your comments addressed the horrific problems which occurred in Florida:

• Local police did nothing with 39 phone calls -- mainly because Obama wanted to end the number of students who ended up in prison (iow, don't report juvenile crime, don't prosecute juvenile crime, and African American youth will no longer occupy the prisons. )
• FBI had two serious and definite tips to act on, but did nothing about them (reminds me of Boston, Ft. Hood, Pulse Club, San Bernadino, etc. etc.)
• Four trained and armed Coward County officers were outside the school, but did nothing, claiming they did not know where the shots came from.
• Heroic, but unarmed, teachers and coaches did all they could to save their students. Had one a gun, it might have stopped the carnage.
• School shootings are over in ~3 minutes, and it takes ~6 minutes for police to arrive.

I appreciate Trump looking for solutions.

Had all this occurred in ZNP's school, he might have some different thoughts about Trump's plan to arm teachers.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

In your neck of the woods bro Ohio :

Elementary school cancels classes after nearby church invites members to bring AR-15 rifles to a commitment ceremony because they believe it's the Bible's 'rod of iron'

"World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland, Pennsylvania believes the AR-15 symbolizes the 'rod of iron' in the biblical book of Revelation, and it is encouraging couples to bring the weapons to a commitment ceremony."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...15-rifles.html

The Poconos are a playground for NYC folks.

They can't have guns at home in NYC, so they play with them on vacation.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It seemed that none of your comments addressed the horrific problems which occurred in Florida:

You are right, they weren't meant to, they were simply responding to Trump's suggestion of arming teachers.

As far as the horrific problems I think the solution begins with liability insurance. If the States require gun owners to have liability insurance, just as they require car owners then I think that will immediately address all of the issues.

1. You can't buy a gun or ammo without proof of insurance. As a result the insurance company is immediately notified of any and all purchases.

2. The insurance company can also require a background check which includes any and all altercations with the law, threats, social media posts, etc. These background checks would be at the expense of the gun purchaser, not the taxpayer.

3. Regardless of the law the insurance company could make a mental health checkup financially rewarding, just like Driver's ed can cut your premiums.

4. The insurance company would be set up to be the centralized data processor of every important piece of evidence concerning the gun owner. With their computers, algorithms and AI they could immediately detect threats and react far faster than any bureaucracy.

5. Just as insurance companies effectively lobbied for seat belts and air bags and then made the safety rating of a car a key selling point, in the same way they could counterbalance the influence of the NRA. You are not going to get any legislation passed until you balance out the influence of the NRA and the insurance industry is the gorilla in that arena.

6. You don't need to outlaw 17 year olds buying machine guns. Instead the insurance industry could make the cost of liability insurance prohibitively expensive.

7. On the other hand if you have owned hunting rifles for 40 years without incidence your insurance should be negligible.

[Ohio]

Insurance for guns is an idea that should be on the table.

Licensing firearms like we do motor vehicles is another.

Mandating courses or testing might be another.

But ... What do we do with Obama era policies designed to keep African Americans out of the prison system by not prosecuting them? I'm referring to this article:

Incompetence Wasn't the Problem in Broward County

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Insurance for guns is an idea that should be on the table.

Licensing firearms like we do motor vehicles is another.

Mandating courses or testing might be another.

My point is that you won't get these things on the table without an ally who has a financial interest and deeper pockets than the NRA. Right now any politician who goes against the NRA will be outspent by their opponent, backed by the NRA, in the next election. Once you balance that dynamic out with the Insurance industry you will see many sensible policies on the table.

For example, the NRA recently said that schools should be our most hardened target. Who would be against that. But, who pays? I would argue that you need a yearly registration fee for guns, similar to cars, which is a tax to pay for the added security necessary. Since it is currently "illegal" to have a national registry of guns the solution is simple, when you go to buy ammo you have to show proof of insurance and proof of having paid the registration fee for that year.

Originally Posted by Ohio

But ... What do we do with Obama era policies designed to keep African Americans out of the prison system by not prosecuting them? I'm referring to this article:

Incompetence Wasn't the Problem in Broward County

Let me tell you a true story. When I was 18 I came back to NY from England. I was now legally able to drink so my friends took me out to a number of bars and got me drunk. When I tried to drive home I dropped the keys. This had happened to me before and it had taken a very long time to get the keys out from between the seat. In my condition I couldn't even attempt that, so I decided to walk to my friend's house so he could come back and help me. Halfway there I decided to lie down on a little grassy hill which happened to be in front of the local police department. This was at 2 or 3 am. When I woke up I decided to try again to find the keys and as I was feeling along the floorboard a cop came up and asked what I was doing. I told him I was looking for my keys. He asked what kind of car I had, a stupid question. I told him it was a volkswagen bug. He told me that this was not my car, I looked up and sure enough it was a cop car. So they took me inside and called my dad who came and picked me up and drove me home. When I tell some of my coworkers this story they are amazed because they get threatened with arrest simply by being "in the wrong neighborhood".

[Ohio]

You completely sidestepped my point -- that Obama era policies have handcuffed the police rather than criminals.

Today in democratically controlled major cities, illegal aliens have more roghts that native born American citizens.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You completely sidestepped my point -- that Obama era policies have handcuffed the police rather than criminals.

Today in democratically controlled major cities, illegal aliens have more roghts that native born American citizens.

Your article was about petty crimes, not machine guns mowing down 17 kids. There isn't anyone anywhere who is suggesting the cops shouldn't have moved in as quickly as possible.

That said without a bullet proof vest and a similar gun the cops at the school were completely outgunned by the kid with the machine gun. This is not my opinion, I am simply repeating what highly trained special forces have said publicly about this particular gun and this incident.

My point is that when I grew up cops treated me the way minorities are now asking to be treated. It seems very Biblical to treat others the way you want to be treated.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Your article was about petty crimes, not machine guns mowing down 17 kids. There isn't anyone anywhere who is suggesting the cops shouldn't have moved in as quickly as possible.

That said without a bullet proof vest and a similar gun the cops at the school were completely outgunned by the kid with the machine gun. This is not my opinion, I am simply repeating what highly trained special forces have said publicly about this particular gun and this incident.

My point is that when I grew up cops treated me the way minorities are now asking to be treated. It seems very Biblical to treat others the way you want to be treated.

Who had a machine gun? Only police have automatic weapons.

There were 4 Broward county deputies who were told NOT to go into the school building and engage the shooter because they did not have body cams. Doesn't that refute your point?

I disagree that 4 trained law enforcement officers with automatic handguns at short range are outgunned by kid with a semi-automatic rifle. That is hogwash. Four trained officers with automatic sidearms could easily disarm an untrained kid with a rifle. These cops had stand down orders just like in Benghazi.

Since Columbine the rules of engagement have all changed. No longer do the police take up defensive positions as they did in Florida shooting. They must engage the shooter -- immediately -- even if vastly outgunned, in order to protect the defenseless while buying just a few precious minutes while backup arrives.

There's just a whole lot of bogus misinformation surrounding your minority claims of mistreatment.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You completely sidestepped my point -- that Obama era policies have handcuffed the police rather than criminals.

Today in democratically controlled major cities, illegal aliens have more rights that native born American citizens.

Your right-wing hack opinionist used a favorite target of bigots as Red Herring to distract form the fact that the Valentine's day massacre occurred in Florida where Republican leaders have long been in lockstep with the NRA.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer has written every piece of gun legislation here for 30 years. Under Hammer's control Florida has led the way in putting guns in everybody's hands. Florida has issued around 1.8 million concealed-carry permits, by far the most in the country.

Florida is often the first place the N.R.A. pursues specific gun rights protections relying on Hammer and her supporters to set a precedent that can then be exported to other states. Since 1998, Republicans have had total control over Florida’s legislature. In that time, the state has enacted some thirty of Hammer’s bills.

This was the state where the NRA pioneered their "Stand Your Ground" law which makes a person’s subjective feelings of fear grounds to shoot someone even if there are other options available.

Florida law prohibits localities from regulating firearms, other than with regards to zoning laws. Governor Rick Scott can remove any local official who enacts a local gun law from office.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Your right-wing hack opinionist used a favorite target of bigots as Red Herring to distract form the fact that the Valentine's day massacre occurred in Florida where Republican leaders have long been in lockstep with the NRA.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer has written every piece of gun legislation here for 30 years. Under Hammer's control Florida has led the way in putting guns in everybody's hands. Florida has issued around 1.8 million concealed-carry permits, by far the most in the country.

Florida is often the first place the N.R.A. pursues specific gun rights protections relying on Hammer and her supporters to set a precedent that can then be exported to other states. Since 1998, Republicans have had total control over Florida’s legislature. In that time, the state has enacted some thirty of Hammer’s bills.

This was the state where the NRA pioneered their "Stand Your Ground" law which makes a person’s subjective feelings of fear grounds to shoot someone even if there are other options available.

Florida law prohibits localities from regulating firearms, other than with regards to zoning laws. Governor Rick Scott can remove any local official who enacts a local gun law from office.

Oops, sorry, but I did not know that Nikolas Cruz was a member of the NRA.

Apparently Florida law makes Broward County and the FBI all inept and cowardly too!

[zeek]

At the Ronald Reagan dinner, CPAC communications director Ian Walters said Steele was elected RNC chair "because he's a black guy."

"We were somewhat lost as a group, we had just elected the first African-American president, and that was a big deal and that was a hill that we got over and it was something that we were all proud of and we weren't sure what to do, and in a little bit of cynicism what did we do? This is a terrible thing. We elected Mike Steele to be the RNC chair because he's a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do, Walters said.

Looks like a black American cannot expect to get elected to anything in the Republican Party any time soon. White Supremacists take heart.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

At the Ronald Reagan dinner, CPAC communications director Ian Walters said Steele was elected RNC chair "because he's a black guy."

"We were somewhat lost as a group, we had just elected the first African-American president, and that was a big deal and that was a hill that we got over and it was something that we were all proud of and we weren't sure what to do, and in a little bit of cynicism what did we do? This is a terrible thing. We elected Mike Steele to be the RNC chair because he's a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do, Walters said.

Looks like a black American cannot expect to get elected to anything in the Republican Party any time soon. White Supremacists take heart.

Looks like he got busted by the PC Police.

Good thing they only patrol Republican establishments!

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oops, sorry, but I did not know that Nikolas Cruz was a member of the NRA.

Florida law applies to all Floridians not just NRA members. According to Florida law Cruz had the right to make threats and the right to carry an assault rifle. So, even though the authorities knew all about his murderous intent, there was nothing they could lawfully do to stop him. Florida legislators are considering whether they should make changes to the law now to prevent this from happening here again. Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Apparently Florida law makes Broward County and the FBI all inept and cowardly too!

That's a malicious lie. A geography teacher and a football coach died saving students according to survivors.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Florida law applies to all Floridians not just NRA members. According to Florida law Cruz had the right to make threats and the right to carry an assault rifle. So, even though the authorities knew all about his murderous intent, there was nothing they could lawfully do to stop him. Florida legislators are considering whether they should make changes to the law now to prevent this from happening here again. Stay tuned.

That's a malicious lie. A geography teacher and a football coach died saving students according to survivors.

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

The survivors have spoken out in support of the sheriff.

I'm with the survivors. They are the face of change ... finally.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The survivors have spoken out in support of the sheriff.

I'm with the survivors. They are the face of change ... finally.

These vulnerable young students should have been protected, instead CNN has exploited most of them.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

Easy for you to say. You overgeneralized by condemning "Broward" as cowards. You forgot about the Broward heroes.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Easy for you to say. You overgeneralized by condemning "Broward" as cowards. You forgot about the Broward heroes.

Obviously my posts pointed at those armed deputies and their commanders who did nothing to protect these school children. If Scott Peterson was a hero, he would not have been fired.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.
With such a reasoned response here, you really should be working at CNN or MSNBC. They have called Trump, every NRA member, every Republican, and all conservatives "murderers." Sound like a national blame game to me.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.
Show me one thing I have said here not based on facts. Perhaps your problem is that you have not heard any facts on CNN for years.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works.
I'm all for state laws. I believe in representative legislature for our republic.

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.
Big hurry? It's been 16 months since I first heard about the Trump election collusion. How much time does Muller need? So far, he found nothing. Flynn busted for a process crime? Manafort and Gates busted for tax evasion years ago? WHERE"S THE D**N COLLUSION?

Meanwhile House Republicans have unearthed a mountain of corruption between the Democrats and the Russians. Comey is dirty. Strzok and Page are dirty. Bruce Ohr and his wife are dirty. McCabe is dirty. The list is growing daily.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.
We are all crying for them, but the reason their lives were in danger are threefold:

• Obama-era “no-arrest policy” guideline for school discipline
• Total breakdown at the FBI
• Cowardice by Broward county deputies

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.
We need to start with our current Godless culture. God has been removed from schools, abortion is available on demand, breakdown of families, availability of drugs, violent video games and movies, etc.

[Ohio]

When Joel Pollak of Breitbart asked the following:

Mr. Speaker, let me ask you about the question of incompetence in the Broward County Sheriff’s Department. There’s this theory floating around out there that it wasn’t just incompetence, that this was the result of policy, and specifically a policy of not punishing students for behavioral problems, a policy of not exposing students to the criminal justice system, but rather trying to let them adjust socially and avoid consequences that could come to them down the road if they have problems in school, but essentially a hands-off policy in the police department. Is that something you’re looking into, as well?

Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives Richard Corcoran answered the following:

Not only are we looking into it, and not only is it part of the cause of our call for [Scott Israel’s] incompetence, in the legislation that we’re about to propose we’re doing away with what we call the “No-Arrest policy.” They call it something nice and flowery like the “PROMISE program.” It’s not a promise program. What it is is allowing kids who are constantly engaged in — it’s supposed to only be misdemeanor behavior, but how does the school personnel know if the law enforcement isn’t called? It’s felony behavior, and numerous of those felonies were alleged against [Nikolas Cruz]. Nothing was done because of this PROMISE policy, and as a result we have this tremendous tragedy that we’re all suffering through.

[Scott Israel is] investigating a deal that he made with the superintendent, that basically created under Obama a no-arrest policy. So he basically said, ‘Don’t tell me unless it’s a serious crime.’ Now we know that Cruz was bringing bullets, knives, all kinds of things to school. All of them were given to the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, nothing was done. And now he’s investigating whether that happened, too, after he basically entered into an agreement with the school board not to tell him.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Who had a machine gun? Only police have automatic weapons.

Have bump stocks been made illegal? It may be that certain police have automatic weapons, but the cops at this school didn't. Also, I have heard them talk about teachers who have permits for conceal carry to be encouraged to do that while teaching. You cannot conceal carry an AR15. Are we now talking about giving every school in this country AR15's? If the NRA is calling for school's to be the most hardened sites and at the same time refusing to support a ban on assault weapons then how else can we accomplish that?

Originally Posted by Ohio

There were 4 Broward county deputies who were told NOT to go into the school building and engage the shooter because they did not have body cams. Doesn't that refute your point?

I told you up front it wasn't my point. This is what a highly trained special ops soldier familiar with the AR15 said. Read my post, I was simply quoting what an expert said. By the way he is a member of the NRA and a republican.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I disagree that 4 trained law enforcement officers with automatic handguns at short range are outgunned by kid with a semi-automatic rifle. That is hogwash. Four trained officers with automatic sidearms could easily disarm an untrained kid with a rifle. These cops had stand down orders just like in Benghazi.

Since Columbine the rules of engagement have all changed. No longer do the police take up defensive positions as they did in Florida shooting. They must engage the shooter -- immediately -- even if vastly outgunned, in order to protect the defenseless while buying just a few precious minutes while backup arrives.

There's just a whole lot of bogus misinformation surrounding your minority claims of mistreatment.

Once again, I was repeating what an expert in this topic was saying. This isn't a rambo movie.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oops, sorry, but I did not know that Nikolas Cruz was a member of the NRA.

Florida shooter had 180 rounds left in his AR-15 when he stopped firing and had carved Swastikas into the sides of the leftover ammunition magazines
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unds-left.html

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Florida shooter had 180 rounds left in his AR-15 when he stopped firing and had carved Swastikas into the sides of the leftover ammunition magazines
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unds-left.html

Obviously he did not stop shooting because he ran out of bullets or victims.

Perhaps it was our Heavenly Father who decided to step in and end the carnage.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obviously my posts pointed at those armed deputies and their commanders who did nothing to protect these school children. If Scott Peterson was a hero, he would not have been fired.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.
With such a reasoned response here, you really should be working at CNN or MSNBC. They have called Trump, every NRA member, every Republican, and all conservatives "murderers." Sound like a national blame game to me.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.
Show me one thing I have said here not based on facts. Perhaps your problem is that you have not heard any facts on CNN for years.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works.
I'm all for state laws. I believe in representative legislature for our republic.

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.
Big hurry? It's been 16 months since I first heard about the Trump election collusion. How much time does Muller need? So far, he found nothing. Flynn busted for a process crime? Manafort and Gates busted for tax evasion years ago? WHERE"S THE D**N COLLUSION?

Meanwhile House Republicans have unearthed a mountain of corruption between the Democrats and the Russians. Comey is dirty. Strzok and Page are dirty. Bruce Ohr and his wife are dirty. McCabe is dirty. The list is growing daily.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.
We are all crying for them, but the reason their lives were in danger are threefold:

• Obama-era “no-arrest policy” guideline for school discipline
• Total breakdown at the FBI
• Cowardice by Broward county deputies

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.
We need to start with our current Godless culture. God has been removed from schools, abortion is available on demand, breakdown of families, availability of drugs, violent video games and movies, etc.

So far, the known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe are as follows:

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, last Thursday, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was similarly indicted on conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements charges in Washington, and a plethora of new tax and financial charges this Thursday in Virginia. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...nts-grand-jury

Be patient. Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr investigated Bill Clinton from 1994 thru 1998. These things take time. Mueller might just be getting started.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

So far, the known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe are as follows:

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

Be patient. Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr investigated Bill Clinton from 1994 thru 1998. These things take time.

zeek, I really wish you could step back and look at this objectively. Muller indicted 13 Russian trollbots -- are you serious? Any idea how much laughter and vodka has been consumed since this was announced in Moscow?

General Flynn's plea was not even perjury, he supposedly lied to sleazy agent Peter Strzok while not even under oath and without legal representation. Let's see if Flynn's conviction is overturned by Judge Sullivan after Judge Contreras was recused from the case for his connection to the FISA warrant. Flynn's was a process crime -- in other words he did nothing wrong until FBI agents started interrogating him. Facing bankruptcy and threats to his family, he pleaded out.

zeek, let me warn you of the constitutional dangers here. Do you realize that federal prosecutors could do the same to ANYBODY including you. The framers protected us from these government abuses by providing the right to a trial before peers, yet this has mostly been discarded. Supposedly you are innocent until proven guilty, but what if you cannot afford to defend yourself? Obviously Muller has unlimited funds and assets.

Glad you brought up Kenneth Starr. This whole thing with Muller is payback for the Clinton's. And here we see the dangers of a special prosecutor. Starr was to investigate Whitewater investments, and found nothing he could prosecute. So, he should have been shut down. But no! It's a legal hit squad thirsty for blood. There's no stopping them. Starr dragged the whole country thru his seedy tabloid witch hunt. They found a blue dress, and declared "we got him."

Patience, you say? Muller will never end. Forget election collusion with the Russians. Muller is a paid thug to take down a democratically elected President. How do I know? Because McCabe appointed him, and it has been proven that McCabe used the dirty dossier in the secret FISA court.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek, I really wish you could step back and look at this objectively. Muller indicted 13 Russian trollbots -- are you serious? Any idea how much laughter and vodka has been consumed since this was announced in Moscow?

They're laughing cuz they got their chump Trump elected.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

They're laughing cuz they got their chump Trump elected.

That defies all logic. Why would they not prefer "Russian Reset" Bill and Hilary? They arranged for Putin to obtain 20% of our Uranium. Under Obama and Clinton, the Russians have for the first time begun to expand again -- Crimea, Ukraine, Syria.

zeek, you really ought to think things through. Just because you hate Trump, don't think our enemies do too.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That defies all logic. Why would they not prefer "Russian Reset" Bill and Hilary? They arranged for Putin to obtain 20% of our Uranium. Under Obama and Clinton, the Russians have for the first time begun to expand again -- Crimea, Ukraine, Syria.

zeek, you really ought to think things through. Just because you hate Trump, don't think our enemies do too.

You're right bro. Our enemy Putin loves him. Trump's his bitch.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

You're right bro. Our enemy Putin loves him. Trump's his bitch.

Your post proves my hunch, that you're merely a bigot blinded by hate.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek, you really ought to think things through. Just because you hate Trump, don't think our enemies do too.

Yeah! Yea! Our enemies love Trump! Rocket Man loves him the most. And Duterte too. They love him to death.

[awareness]

Who's the real Rocket Man? Trump's buddy Vladimir Putin.

Russia's unstoppable nuke: Putin reveals new nuclear missiles that cannot be intercepted and can strike almost anywhere in the world

"President Vladimir Putin has announced that Russia has tested an array of new nuclear weapons 'invulnerable to enemy interception' in a speech where he praised scientists behind the arsenal as 'the heroes of our time'."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...erception.html

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek, you really ought to think things through. Just because you hate Trump, don't think our enemies do too.

Good point. Maybe one reason our enemies don't hate Trump, is that he keeps the White House in constant chaos.

Yesterday tensions between President Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions flared publicly. In a tweet, the president called Sessions “DISGRACEFUL.” Trump thinks Sessions should be his lap dog. Sessions responded with a rare statement defending his “integrity and honor.”

We also learned that Hope Hicks plans to leave in the next few weeks. Laughably, White House aides denied that her resignation was related to her testimony the day before that she had occasionally told white lies in the job. "Lies" in the White House? Nothing to investigate there.

Also it was reported yesterday that the real estate business of Jared Kushner received large loans last year from two companies whose executives had met with him at the White House. Citigroup lent $325 million to Kushner Companies in the spring, and Apollo Global Management, a private equity firm, lent $184 million in November. These would be huge conflicts of interest if it was anybody else. Coincidentally, Kelly downgraded Kushner's security clearance. Maybe Trump should reconsider his fondness for nepotism.

So, yeah if the US's enemies take comfort from a White House in turmoil they gotta love Trump. Of course, Trump's unwillingness to sanction Russia for interfering with the 2016 and the fact that he is not doing anything to prevent them from interfering with the 2018 election must give Putin pleasure as well.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

We also learned that Hope Hicks plans to leave in the next few weeks. Laughably, White House aides denied that her resignation was related to her testimony the day before that she had occasionally told white lies in the job. "Lies" in the White House? Nothing to investigate there.

I thought she was leaving to star in the new reality TV show, the accomplice.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Good point. Maybe one reason our enemies don't hate Trump, is that he keeps the White House in constant chaos.

Yesterday tensions between President Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions flared publicly. In a tweet, the president called Sessions “DISGRACEFUL.” Trump thinks Sessions should be his lap dog. Sessions responded with a rare statement defending his “integrity and honor.”

We also learned that Hope Hicks plans to leave in the next few weeks. Laughably, White House aides denied that her resignation was related to her testimony the day before that she had occasionally told white lies in the job. "Lies" in the White House? Nothing to investigate there.

Also it was reported yesterday that the real estate business of Jared Kushner received large loans last year from two companies whose executives had met with him at the White House. Citigroup lent $325 million to Kushner Companies in the spring, and Apollo Global Management, a private equity firm, lent $184 million in November. These would be huge conflicts of interest if it was anybody else. Coincidentally, Kelly downgraded Kushner's security clearance. Maybe Trump should reconsider his fondness for nepotism.

So, yeah if the US's enemies take comfort from a White House in turmoil they gotta love Trump. Of course, Trump's unwillingness to sanction Russia for interfering with the 2016 and the fact that he is not doing anything to prevent them from interfering with the 2018 election must give Putin pleasure as well.

You are right about nepotism, and I too would be glad to see Jared and Ivanka leave. Apparently there are others who also cannot get necessary security clearances.

Apparently too many in the White House have been enamored by Hope Hicks, including Lewandowski.

And many have questioned if Sessions was up for the task after Rosenstein deceptively coerced him to recuse himself.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You are right about nepotism, and I too would be glad to see Jared and Ivanka leave. Apparently there are others who also cannot get necessary security clearances.

Apparently too many in the White House have been enamored by Hope Hicks, including Lewandowski.

And many have questioned if Sessions was up for the task after Rosenstein deceptively coerced him to recuse himself.

A prosecutor is supposed to recuse himself from a case where he has a conflict of interest. Sessions recused himself because he lied during his Senate confirmation hearing by saying under oath that he did not have contacts with Russians during the campaign. He obviously has no credibility on the Russian collusion issue let alone anything else. Trump called him "Mr. Magoo".

Of course that's consistent with Trump's pattern of undermining trust in anyone or anything but himself. He attacked Republican lawmakers yesterday for being under control of the NRA and boasted that he isn't. But then, another pattern of his is to make all kinds of statements when he is negotiating and then reneging when time comes for a decision.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

A prosecutor is supposed to recuse himself from a case where he has a conflict of interest. Sessions recused himself because he lied during his Senate confirmation hearing by saying under oath that he did not have contacts with Russians during the campaign. He obviously has no credibility on the Russian collusion issue let alone anything else. Trump called him "Mr. Magoo".

Of course that's consistent with Trump's pattern of undermining trust in anyone or anything but himself. He attacked Republican lawmakers yesterday for being under control of the NRA and boasted that he isn't. But then, another pattern of his is to make all kinds of statements when he is negotiating and then reneging when time comes for a decision.

That is why this administration is like going through the looking glass. If you were innocent you would want Sessions to recuse himself because otherwise it would be a political football full of paranoid conspiracy theories. What Sessions did was to help the rest of us have some trust in the process.

Also, is it just me or is Trump's administration breaking records for how many people have been fired, quit or indicted? (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...nover-context/)

Also, why doesn't Kushner leave? He isn't getting paid. He can run a billion dollar business. I can't see how you could possibly negotiate peace in the middle east if you are not allowed in the situation room. What are they going to do, create a system of coughs, clearing the throat and various hand signals to indicate that "No, can't do that with Iran", "Uh, uh, not with the Saudi's", etc?

[awareness]

NRA official after meeting: Trump supports 'strong due process'

In a tweet, NRA-ILA executive director Chris Cox:

"I had a great meeting tonight with @realDonaldTrump & @VP. We all want safe schools, mental health reform and to keep guns away from dangerous people. POTUS & VPOTUS support the Second Amendment, support strong due process and don’t want gun control," Cox tweeted Thursday night.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-who-dont-want

[ZNPaaneah]

Wow imagine if you had known that Trump was going to announce the tariffs before he did? It is so predictable that the Dow would drop. If you have a big enough portfolio you can turn information like that into millions of dollars in just a few days. That is how you "win a trade war". Move your money to gold, let them fight it out, and when they are done you buy up the stock at a huge savings. Then you announce there are no tariffs and prices jump back up.

[Ohio]

Report: Russia Used Social Media to Disrupt U.S. Energy Markets by Promoting Pipeline Protests, Climate Change Debate

Isn't it interesting that we are now discovering that the Russians have long been supporting every liberal cause we see showcased on mainstream media. Then the same mainstream media would like us to believe, without a shred of supporting evidence, that these same Russians are always "colluding" with Trump and his associates.

Even the brain-dead Pharisees understood Jesus when when He spoke the following:

A House Divided Cannot Stand

22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wow imagine if you had known that Trump was going to announce the tariffs before he did? It is so predictable that the Dow would drop. If you have a big enough portfolio you can turn information like that into millions of dollars in just a few days. That is how you "win a trade war". Move your money to gold, let them fight it out, and when they are done you buy up the stock at a huge savings. Then you announce there are no tariffs and prices jump back up.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pal...121446090.html

What a coincidence!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Had all this occurred in ZNP's school, he might have some different thoughts about Trump's plan to arm teachers.

I have seen a number of kids shot and killed or stabbed while at this school in Brooklyn. We have averaged slightly less than 1 student killed per year, and we only have 400 students. The building has 2,000 students so for our building the average could be several students per year. I think you can understand why the inner cities are a little outraged by this. When their kids get killed it barely registers in the local news, but when kids in the suburbs are killed it is national news for a month.

That said I still took your comment seriously. I agree that if there was a shooter down on the 2nd floor right now with and AR15 I would feel better having a handgun in my class. However, for the last 15 years, 180 days a year, I would have felt much worse having a handgun in the class. To me the potential for catastrophe is just that much greater.

However, suppose we did have a highly trained professional (ex Seal, Green Beret, etc) on our staff. If that teacher/staff member wanted to conceal carry I have no issue with that. However, I think the numbers are far less than the 20% that is being bandied about. If the number is 0.1% I would be surprised. From my own experience I would guess it is going to be significantly less, 0.01% or less. Perhaps Texas and rural areas have a higher percent, don't know. I am just speaking for what I have seen first hand. High school is just not a suitable environment for rambo or a former rambo to work.

Our school does have a metal detector, alarms on every door, strict protocols in place and about 5 police on duty. These police are not the ones you would expect to be played by Denzel or the Rock. Rather Melissa McCarthy, Monique, etc.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I have seen a number of kids shot and killed or stabbed while at this school in Brooklyn. We have averaged slightly less than 1 student killed per year, and we only have 400 students. The building has 2,000 students so for our building the average could be several students per year. I think you can understand why the inner cities are a little outraged by this. When their kids get killed it barely registers in the local news, but when kids in the suburbs are killed it is national news for a month.

That said I still took your comment seriously. I agree that if there was a shooter down on the 2nd floor right now with and AR15 I would feel better having a handgun in my class. However, for the last 15 years, 180 days a year, I would have felt much worse having a handgun in the class. To me the potential for catastrophe is just that much greater.

However, suppose we did have a highly trained professional (ex Seal, Green Beret, etc) on our staff. If that teacher/staff member wanted to conceal carry I have no issue with that. However, I think the numbers are far less than the 20% that is being bandied about. If the number is 0.1% I would be surprised. From my own experience I would guess it is going to be significantly less, 0.01% or less. Perhaps Texas and rural areas have a higher percent, don't know. I am just speaking for what I have seen first hand. High school is just not a suitable environment for rambo or a former rambo to work.

Our school does have a metal detector, alarms on every door, strict protocols in place and about 5 police on duty. These police are not the ones you would expect to be played by Denzel or the Rock. Rather Melissa McCarthy, Monique, etc.

Obviously Trump was gathering info and suggesting ideas. He was not legislating. It's impossible, however, to have one solution for every school. His idea about armed teachers at your school make no sense. You already have many security measures in place. This underscores my complaints about national policy -- education, security, etc. are far better served on the local and state level, except for perhaps in Broward County due to Obama era policies like PROMISE.

Perhaps you too are a little disturbed about biased news coverage? Consider for example, if it were not for FNC, we would never know about or why we have such horrendous murder rates in Chicago. I find the media totally disingenuous attacking Trump for policies designed to reduce crime and protect our children, i.e. building a wall to stop drugs ad illegals, etc. and then they endorse sanctuary cities.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obviously Trump was gathering info and suggesting ideas. He was not legislating. It's impossible, however, to have one solution for every school. His idea about armed teachers at your school make no sense. You already have many security measures in place. This underscores my complaints about national policy -- education, security, etc. are far better served on the local and state level, except for perhaps in Broward County due to Obama era policies like PROMISE.

Perhaps you too are a little disturbed about biased news coverage? Consider for example, if it were not for FNC, we would never know about or why we have such horrendous murder rates in Chicago. I find the media totally disingenuous attacking Trump for policies designed to reduce crime and protect our children, i.e. building a wall to stop drugs ad illegals, etc. and then they endorse sanctuary cities.

I have never had an issue with "the wall". First, we already have a "wall" along part of the border. Second, I am very willing to look at all the measures involved as being "the wall" (Drones, cameras, satellites, seismic listening stations, etc). When they laugh about how expensive the wall will be that always came across as idiotic. We had a space program, we built a national highway system, we built the Panama canal. By comparison extending an existing fence seems like a very minor initiative.

Personally I think the recent legalization of marijuana will have a much bigger impact on reducing cross border crime than the wall. The wall might reduce illegal immigration a little, but if you remove that from the equation I doubt it will have much impact if any on crime.

When these "mules" bring drugs across the border in a car it often weighs hundreds of pounds. It is difficult enough to walk through that desert, much less carrying hundreds of pounds of drugs. Using infrared these illegals stand out. So the main ways they cross that border is by car, truck or tunnel. If they are using a tunnel they want a building on the other side which would have access to a road and which trucks could pull up to without too much suspicion. Therefore I don't see the need for the wall to go much more than 20 miles from the nearest road. Instead more border patrol with dogs, and more monitoring of the border with cameras should be the most efficient way to catch smugglers.

[ZNPaaneah]

I am wondering what everyone thinks of this new genre of reality tv? A cross between West Wing, House of Cards and Game of Thrones. This back story of Russian collusion weaved in with the fast paced excitement of someone getting the axe so often it is hard to keep the characters straight. At times the dialogue has been a little bit too absurd to believe (Come on, a Presidential candidate is going to insult a gold star family? A prisoner of war hero?) But other than that it certainly is "must watch TV", especially after they started threatening nuclear war with N. Korea and followed that up with a the first round of a trade war. I think we need to tip our hat to these TV producers. I had absolutely refused to have anything to do with the whole "reality TV" but they have managed to expand the market so that even those of us won't have anything to do with TV will watch.

[zeek]

Gary Cohn, Donald Trump’s top economic adviser, has quit, the latest in a series of high-profile departures from the Trump administration.

Cohn, who heads the National Economic Council, had reportedly threatened to leave after Trump’s incendiary comments following the deadly race riot in Charlottesville, Virginia.

But his decision to quit on Tuesday night comes after Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, a move he and the treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin, have reportedly vehemently opposed.

Futures trading pointed to a sharp 1.6% drop in shares on Wall Street when business starts again on Wednesday morning and investors take in the departure of the pro-free trade adviser.

So much for free trade.

Check me on this :There have been more departures from the Trump Administration than in the first 13 months of any presidential administration in the history of the United States.

But, Trump is happy with his White House:

“The White House has tremendous energy, it has tremendous spirit.”

He added: “It is a great place to be working. Many, many people want every single job. Believe me, everybody wants to work in the White House. They all want a piece of that Oval Office, they all want a piece of the West Wing.

“It’s tough. I like conflict, I like having two people with different points of view, and I certainly have that. And then I make a decision. But I like watching it, I like seeing it, and I think it’s the best way to go.”

He said: “So many people want to come in. I have a choice of anybody. I could take any position in the White House and I’ll have a choice of the 10 top people having to do with that position – everybody wants to be there.”

So, don't worry.

By resigning, Cohn, who is credited [or discredited] with authoring Trump's budget proposal, has shown that he lives by at least one principle. Trying to live by principles is incompatible with working for Trump.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onomic-adviser

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am wondering what everyone thinks of this new genre of reality tv? A cross between West Wing, House of Cards and Game of Thrones. This back story of Russian collusion weaved in with the fast paced excitement of someone getting the axe so often it is hard to keep the characters straight. At times the dialogue has been a little bit too absurd to believe (Come on, a Presidential candidate is going to insult a gold star family? A prisoner of war hero?) But other than that it certainly is "must watch TV", especially after they started threatening nuclear war with N. Korea and followed that up with a the first round of a trade war. I think we need to tip our hat to these TV producers. I had absolutely refused to have anything to do with the whole "reality TV" but they have managed to expand the market so that even those of us won't have anything to do with TV will watch.

It might be OK if the show was limited to a half hour once a week on one network. But, the Trump show is aired on virtually all channels all the time. That's overkill.

[awareness]

Well now, finally Trump is not going to be able to deny an affair, and the Republicans, and the Evangelicals, won't be able to turn a blind eye.

Porn star Stormy Daniels SUES President Trump and says their $130k non-disclosure agreement is INVALID because he NEVER signed it, as she launches bid to speak out over their alleged affair
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...A-invalid.html

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Well now, finally Trump is not going to be able to deny an affair, and the Republicans, and the Evangelicals, won't be able to turn a blind eye.

Porn star Stormy Daniels SUES President Trump and says their $130k non-disclosure agreement is INVALID because he NEVER signed it, as she launches bid to speak out over their alleged affair
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...A-invalid.html

Did you see the Texas results? Looks like no one is turning a blind eye.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Did you see the Texas results? Looks like no one is turning a blind eye.

It's a primary folks. The Democrats "won" every race. And so did the Republicans.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Well now, finally Trump is not going to be able to deny an affair, and the Republicans, and the Evangelicals, won't be able to turn a blind eye.

Porn star Stormy Daniels SUES President Trump and says their $130k non-disclosure agreement is INVALID because he NEVER signed it, as she launches bid to speak out over their alleged affair

awareness, your disdain for Republicans and Evangelicals like me is running over.

And why is she suing Trump? So that she would remain silent? How's that working out?

What the Cajun Carville said must be true, "Drag a hundred dollar bill thru a trailer park, you never know what you find."

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's a primary folks. The Democrats "won" every race. And so did the Republicans.

Ted Cruz says the Left is going to show up in historic proportions because they are angry and hate Trump.

I plan to show up. Maybe we should take a little poll -- who here is angry, hates trump and plans to vote during the midterms?

As a rule Democrats outnumber Republicans but Republicans show up in greater percent and are better organized and better funded. If Trump can motivate Democrats to show up in a much higher percent then maybe he was right about "making America great again".

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Ted Cruz says the Left is going to show up in historic proportions because they are angry and hate Trump.

I plan to show up. Maybe we should take a little poll -- who here is angry, hates trump and plans to vote during the midterms?

As a rule Democrats outnumber Republicans but Republicans show up in greater percent and are better organized and better funded. If Trump can motivate Democrats to show up in a much higher percent then maybe he was right about "making America great again".

Hey NYC -- Anthony Weiner for Mayor!

Vote integrity, vote morals, vote early, and vote often!

.

[zeek]

Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump: From enemies to frenemies?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump: From enemies to frenemies?

Perhaps the sight of three aircraft carriers, with the associated armada of ships, planes, subs, and soldiers has influenced him? And Kim has agreed to talk while also agreeing that US and SK can continue their joint military exercises.

Then I watched Rachel Maddow saying how "reckless" it is for Trump to talk to Kim when no Prez in 60 years has done that??? MSMedia news is years behind the times.

Yesterday AG Sessions has all but told us that another Special Prosecutor has been appointed. This one will go after real criminals in our government who attempted a coup.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yesterday AG Sessions has all but told us that another Special Prosecutor has been appointed. This one will go after real criminals in our government who attempted a coup.

Fat chance of that. It will just be another circus act, going after anyone that doesn't praise Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Fat chance of that. It will just be another circus act, going after anyone that doesn't praise Trump.

It's too bad that you have no idea what's really been going on in WashDC and the MSMedia the last two years.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's too bad that you have no idea what's really been going on in WashDC and the MSMedia the last two years.

It's too bad that your blinders keep you from seeing that with Trump it's all about Trump.

After the Oscars, "There's no stars any more but the President." - Donald Trump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

It's too bad that your blinders keep you from seeing that with Trump it's all about Trump.

After the Oscars, "There's no stars any more but the President." - Donald Trump.

Along with MAGA we also get EGO, or is that MEGO?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Fat chance of that. It will just be another circus act, going after anyone that doesn't praise Trump.

So then I assume you and Zeek are consulting with a lawyer? (I'll use post 2842 as an example of my praise). Perhaps Ohio will visit you guys in jail?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Fat chance of that. It will just be another circus act, going after anyone that doesn't praise Trump.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So then I assume you and Zeek are consulting with a lawyer? (I'll use post 2842 as an example of my praise). Perhaps Ohio will visit you guys in jail?

Unlike the Liberal Progressives, especially on the campuses, Trump is a strong supporter of the Bill of Rights.

If you guys think Free Speech still exists, try going to a conservative lecture on one of our liberal universities. Ever watch the violent protests whenever conservatives like Prof. Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro are invited to speak?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Unlike the Liberal Progressives, especially on the campuses, Trump is a strong supporter of the Bill of Rights.

If you guys think Free Speech still exists, try going to a conservative lecture on one of our liberal universities. Ever watch the violent protests whenever conservatives like Prof. Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro are invited to speak?

That's right bro Ohio, support those that support children killers. After all, they're not pre-born's.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

That's right bro Ohio, support those that support children killers. After all, they're not pre-born's.

Can anyone else explain to me what this means?

[awareness]

PRO-TRUMP PASTOR SAYS 'THOU SHALL NOT HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR' IS 'TOTALLY IRRELEVANT' FOR THE PRESIDENT
A Conservative pro-Trump pastor defended the president's alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels, claiming his personal life is “totally irrelevant” as evangelicals support him for his “policies.”
http://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-pa...elevant-838017

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

A Conservative pro-Trump pastor defended the president's alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels, claiming his personal life is “totally irrelevant” as evangelicals support him for his “policies.”

I thought the media taught us 20 years ago that the President's personal life had nothing to do with his job performance. Heard that on the news every day for years. Has the moral standard for our leaders improved since then?

Bush, a moral man, was Prez for 8 years, and you never had anything good to say about him either. Neither did I ever hear you commend a Christian evangelical for voting for him.

Explain to me how a prostitute (assuming she was paid for her time), or a movie star that slept around with the rich and famous can sue her "customer" more than ten years after their "fun times" occurred? Did this occur in the oval office? Was she an underage intern? Was Trump even President? Did he commit a crime? Was there sexual abuse?

Little hypocritical?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Explain to me how a prostitute (assuming she was paid for her time), or a movie star that slept around with the rich and famous can sue her "customer" more than ten years after their "fun times" occurred? Did this occur in the oval office? Was she an underage intern? Was Trump even President? Did he commit a crime? Was there sexual abuse?

Little hypocritical?

I'm no expert on this case, but the way I understand she is suing over the validity of the hush agreement. Because if she can get the agreement thrown out in court she can then sell her story.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I thought the media taught us 20 years ago that the President's personal life had nothing to do with his job performance. Heard that on the news every day for years. Has the moral standard for our leaders improved since then?

Bush, a moral man, was Prez for 8 years, and you never had anything good to say about him either. Neither did I ever hear you commend a Christian evangelical for voting for him.

Explain to me how a prostitute (assuming she was paid for her time), or a movie star that slept around with the rich and famous can sue her "customer" more than ten years after their "fun times" occurred? Did this occur in the oval office? Was she an underage intern? Was Trump even President? Did he commit a crime? Was there sexual abuse?

Little hypocritical?

Why do you look at the speck of hypocrisy in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I'm no expert on this case, but the way I understand she is suing over the validity of the hush agreement. Because if she can get the agreement thrown out in court she can then sell her story.

Sounds like how my son has described "derivatives" to me. When Trump was a NYC businessman, her story was only worth $130K. Now that Trump is Prez, her story is worth much more. The value of the story is "derived" from Trump's new position, and Trump-hate is worth a lot of money!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Why do you look at the speck of hypocrisy in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

That's right bro Ohio, support those that support children killers. After all, they're not pre-born's.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Can anyone else explain to me what this means?

Any help explaining this?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Can anyone else explain to me what this means?

Look 'em up bro Ohio. They're NRA members, or/and supporters. In other words they support children killers, the Parkland survivors say :
http://mediacomtoday.com/player/cate..._murderers-cnn

I'm saying you support child killers, which is against all that you say you are against ... at least the pre-born's. Which looks to me like you only care about them before they are born ... not afterwards.

At least be consistent ... and be as equally strong against all child killing. But no. You harp and harp against the liberals for being child killers, but not the conservatives???

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Look 'em up bro Ohio. They're NRA members, or/and supporters. In other words they support children killers, the Parkland survivors say :
http://mediacomtoday.com/player/cate..._murderers-cnn

I'm saying you support child killers, which is against all that you say you are against ... at least the pre-born's. Which looks to me like you only care about them before they are born ... not afterwards.

At least be consistent ... and be as equally strong against all child killing. But no. You harp and harp against the liberals for being child killers, but not the conservatives???

Almost too absurd to respond to. Who are NRA members? The kids?

Stick a camera in front of some kid's face and he will say anything you want. Did you see that brave survivor who went to the White House? Of course not.

Aren't you an NRA Member with all of your guns? So you are the one killing those kids. At least get the facts right.

And I do support the right of the unborn to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness," as promised by the Constitution, along with my 1st and 2nd Amendment rights.

Why is it you never responded to the facts of the case? Coward County called 39 times, yet did nothing. FBI called twice, yet did nothing. Obama's PROMISE regulations permitting Cruz to escape notice and buy weapons. Coward County deputies refusing to enter the building to protect their children. And the latest, two SWAT members disciplined for going in without "authorization."

Just look at all the facts -- Coward County authorities wanted those kids to die. They were set up for disaster. Otherwise explain to me why they all did what they did! Or did not do!

Then blame the NRA? Was Cruz a member of the NRA? Which NRA member committed a crime here? Blaming the NRA is like blaming the AMA for every abortion.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder.

No. It's just easier to see the faults of one's adversary than to admit one's own.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

No. It's just easier to see the faults of one's adversary than to admit one's own.

Agreed. I just said it in another way.

Putting aside all claims of hypocrisy, I admit that Trump's morality is troublesome to me as an evangelical Christian. But I have to draw a different line for a minister of the Gospel and a political ruler. Luke 16.8 tells us, "The sons of this age are more prudent than the sons of light in their own generation." Trump may not be a moral man like Dubya, but when it comes to business and the economy, he is way more effective.

Some of Dubya's recent criticisms of Trump border on the absurd. The man surely could use a dose of prudence here. I also found it a little ironic that right after Dubya wrote his book on his dad, and then criticized Trump, news came out about HW's groping habits. It irks me that Dubya chose to be silent about BHO but not about DJT.

But, yes, liberals are hypocritical about Trump's morality, since they condone so much of their own. How about applying the same standard?

[Ohio]

These are the kinds of deception that are hidden from the American people. MSMedia continually claims, without a shred of evidence, that Trump is a racist. Yet the extremely liberal black muslam caucus gets a free pass from the media regarding their white-hate and anti-semitism.


Louis Farakahn, a so-called "minister" and leader of The Nation of Islam, has no need to even hide his racist bigotry and hatred for whites and Jews. This photo above was hidden from the American people before the 2008 election. Here is just one video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZschZMW3oU

[awareness]

Bro Ohio, I'm not a member of the NRA. The NRA, it's become clear, is a terrorist organization. They are now suing the state of Florida for their new gun control laws ; right after all those kids were killed with an AR-15. Don't tell me they aren't children killers. Of course not the actual killers. They provide weapons so others can do their dirty work.

Maybe I didn't come at it right, and didn't say it outright, but my point is, if you're gonna be a right-to-lifer, and rant against abortion, then if you are going to be consistent, you'll also be for common sense gun legislation, and not be an NRA supporter, or supporter of those that are.

And you won't be like sports fans, and cheer for and support, either, or rather neither, the blue team or the red team, especially when and if they go against your radical right to life stance, whichever sports team.

Moreover, you so love to go after Obama, blaming him for everything. But he never came for our guns. In fact, he accomplished what Dubya couldn't, and made it legal to carry guns in federal parks.

But because you're such a radical red team cheerleader, I didn't see you get all up in arms when Trump said, "Take the guns first." Trump's coming for our guns. I guess it's Obama's fault. Red team good team. Blue team bad team. Seems to me, with all the the party loyalty I see here in Ky -- mostly red team cheerleaders -- we're not dealing with politics, we're actually dealing with another religion. Party loyalty is just another religion ... and is just as blind.

Hey Britain and Australia fixed the problem. They took the guns. And in 2016 the police in Britain discharged their weapons only 7 times. Cops here KILL more than 7 times 70 than that here.

Are you a right to life person? Do you stand against killing children in the womb? Then apply that equally. Seek to protect life after they are born too. Don't support the NRA, or members of it. Support common sense gun legislation. Make assault weapons illegal. If you support life, you can't support assault.

Harold

Originally Posted by Ohio

Almost too absurd to respond to. Who are NRA members? The kids?

Stick a camera in front of some kid's face and he will say anything you want. Did you see that brave survivor who went to the White House? Of course not.

Aren't you an NRA Member with all of your guns? So you are the one killing those kids. At least get the facts right.

And I do support the right of the unborn to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness," as promised by the Constitution, along with my 1st and 2nd Amendment rights.

Why is it you never responded to the facts of the case? Coward County called 39 times, yet did nothing. FBI called twice, yet did nothing. Obama's PROMISE regulations permitting Cruz to escape notice and buy weapons. Coward County deputies refusing to enter the building to protect their children. And the latest, two SWAT members disciplined for going in without "authorization."

Just look at all the facts -- Coward County authorities wanted those kids to die. They were set up for disaster. Otherwise explain to me why they all did what they did! Or did not do!

Then blame the NRA? Was Cruz a member of the NRA? Which NRA member committed a crime here? Blaming the NRA is like blaming the AMA for every abortion.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Bro Ohio, I'm not a member of the NRA.

The NRA, it's become clear, is a terrorist organization.

No, you are the terrorist shooting off guns in your neighborhood.

Where's the evidence that any NRA member has even committed a crime?

The 1st and 2nd Amendments of the US Constitution, upheld by Congress and the SCOTUS, give the NRA its legitimacy as an organization.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Are you a right to life person? Do you stand against killing children in the womb? Then apply that equally. Seek to protect life after they are born too. Don't support the NRA, or members of it. Support common sense gun legislation. Make assault weapons illegal. If you support life, you can't support assault.

By your logic, then I have to be against the American Medical Assoc. too, since they are "responsible" for all abortion doctors. I am for life, but how can these doctors kill the innocent unborn.

For sure I can support the NRA (but I never gave them money) and be against murder and assault. Sorry if you can't understand that.

The NRA never gave them guns to kill, as you said. The NRA never killed anyone. They are for safety, training, self-protection, etc. If you want to change the laws, then do it. You need to find a new source for your news. You should give up Fake News for Lent!

But if there are so many gun laws in Chicago, why is it they have so many murders. Perhaps it is not guns who are killing people, but bad hombres. Take away all the guns and criminals will still get them. Just go to Mexico and get some of Eric Holder's Fast and Furious guns.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sounds like how my son has described "derivatives" to me. When Trump was a NYC businessman, her story was only worth $130K. Now that Trump is Prez, her story is worth much more. The value of the story is "derived" from Trump's new position, and Trump-hate is worth a lot of money!

I think paying her $130k in hush money raised the value of the story, everyone wants to know whatever it is Trump doesn't want them to know.

I also think the idiotic way in which this contract was crafted adds a little something special to the story, and the way in which it has been filled with non denial denials is just the cherry on top.

Everyone knew Trump was a playboy who hung out with prostitutes. If he hadn't ever paid her a dime the story wouldn't have been worth much at all. It makes you wonder if Trump is going to get a cut of whatever she finally sells it for.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think paying her $130k in hush money raised the value of the story, everyone wants to know whatever it is Trump doesn't want them to know.

If Trump had access to that Congressional Shush Fund, which the rest of Congress has available for personal "indiscretions," then we might not be hearing anything about this.

Knowing the timng of the payoff right before the election, I would suspect that Obama's Wire Tapping Services were used to unmask these events.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Hey Britain and Australia fixed the problem. They took the guns. And in 2016 the police in Britain discharged their weapons only 7 times. Cops here KILL more than 7 times 70 than that here.

Did you read about the recent terrorist attack at the London capital? Some muslam slaughtered innocent people on a bridge. We learned that even the guards have no weapons to protect Parliament.

That explains a lot. Dont think the Brits want Brexit because they feel so safe. Did you hear about the rampant epidemic of attacking victims with battery acid?

We helped the Aussies alright. Obama promised to take all their immigrants.

Many of these gun-free socialist states like Sweden and Germany now have No-Go Zones where not even the Police are safe to go. Their state-run press are hiding crime stats from the public to downplay their actual crises.

Think about what the Governments are able to get away with when they can keep their people as mushrooms in the dark and feed them nourishing manure.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Did you read about the recent terrorist attack at the London capital? Some muslam slaughtered innocent people on a bridge. We learned that even the guards have no weapons to protect Parliament.

Yes I did read about that. Unlike you, I don't get Fox News.

But I'm noticing a difference here in America, from the Muslims-bad examples you like to point too. Thanks for that, btw. I like to keep an eye on those Muslims ; bad ones included. I sure do like the Sufi Muslims. News about them always catch my eyes. The ones I've known, and looked into, looked to be more Christian than Christians that I've known down thru the years and tears. (Except maybe the Meetinghouse Quakers ... prolly same same ... they both seek an interior path to the mystical love and knowledge of God ... a good thing, I think ... judge a tree by it's fruits, not it's roots, perchance).

Anyway, back to the difference. Here in America it doesn't seem, on the whole, to be a Muslim problem (and yes, bro Ohio, I know there are some you can point to). You seem to be keeping an eye on the Muslims too. But only the bad ones. Do you do that out of love? ... or out of fear?

Originally Posted by O

Dont think the Brits want Brexit because they feel so safe.

Brexit hasn't seemed to brexited yet. Why do you suppose that?

Originally Posted by The big O

We helped the Aussies alright. Obama promised to take all their immigrants.

All of them, or only less than 2000? Let's have a Politifact on that one :
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...usands-illega/

Originally Posted by O

Many of these gun-free socialist states like Sweden and Germany now have No-Go Zones where not even the Police are safe to go. Their state-run press are hiding crime stats from the public to downplay their actual crises.

Well not hiding it very well, obviously, by your account. Fact checking you is becoming work. Let's traipse over to Snopes for that one.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sw...o-zone-police/

Originally Posted by O

Think about what the Governments are able to get away with when they can keep their people as mushrooms in the dark and feed them nourishing manure.

Yes, I've noticed it smells around here.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Did you read about the recent terrorist attack at the London capital? Some muslam slaughtered innocent people on a bridge. We learned that even the guards have no weapons to protect Parliament.

That explains a lot. Dont think the Brits want Brexit because they feel so safe. Did you hear about the rampant epidemic of attacking victims with battery acid?

We helped the Aussies alright. Obama promised to take all their immigrants.

Many of these gun-free socialist states like Sweden and Germany now have No-Go Zones where not even the Police are safe to go. Their state-run press are hiding crime stats from the public to downplay their actual crises.

Think about what the Governments are able to get away with when they can keep their people as mushrooms in the dark and feed them nourishing manure.

It's amazing what the UK cops can do with only a baton, they are highly trained and very brave.

I believe the deal Obama struck was a refugee swap. ie Australia would take American latino refugees in exchange for Arab ones.

In the UK, New Zealand and Australia, the population does not need guns because people don't want to kill each other and shoot up schools, hospitals and veteran homes etc.
In these countries when someone has a grievance they often turn to drugs or alcholol but for some reason Americans want to pick up a gun and start shooting. The American "gun therapy" culture is fairly unique to America I have not seen it either in Asia or Europe. So I think it's a culture matter not gun or mental health problem.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

It's amazing what the UK cops can do with only a baton, they are highly trained and very brave.

I believe the deal Obama struck was a refugee swap. ie Australia would take American latino refugees in exchange for Arab ones.

In the UK, New Zealand and Australia, the population does not need guns because people don't want to kill each other and shoot up schools, hospitals and veteran homes etc.
In these countries when someone has a grievance they often turn to drugs or alcholol but for some reason Americans want to pick up a gun and start shooting. The American "gun therapy" culture is fairly unique to America I have not seen it either in Asia or Europe. So I think it's a culture matter not gun or mental health problem.

"Gun therapy?" Interesting perspective bro EvanG. Gun therapy is mental illness. If Americans need gun therapy America is sick in the head.

Our second amendment is not a commandment from God. When it was written they were using muskets, not assault weapons.

The NRA propaganda is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. But if guns didn't kill people our military wouldn't use them. And how come we fear something that don't kill people.

America's problem IS guns. We worship them. There's a cult following of them. Gun owners just love fondling them ; cleaning them, oiling them, rubbing them, kissing them, showing them off. We love them precisely because they kill.

Sadly, this gun therapy, as you call it bro Evan, involves killing school children, and others we have a disagreement with, like Ruby Ridge, and Waco.

And now I fear we're just minutes away from gunning for NRA members. Sadly, that's a therapy we may be in need of, before we "woke," and do something about guns.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by awareness

"Gun therapy?" Interesting perspective bro EvanG. Gun therapy is mental illness. If Americans need gun therapy America is sick in the head.

Our second amendment is not a commandment from God. When it was written they were using muskets, not assault weapons.

The NRA propaganda is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. But if guns didn't kill people our military wouldn't use them. And how come we fear something that don't kill people.

America's problem IS guns. We worship them. There's a cult following of them. Gun owners just love fondling them ; cleaning them, oiling them, rubbing them, kissing them, showing them off. We love them precisely because they kill.

Sadly, this gun therapy, as you call it bro Evan, involves killing school children, and others we have a disagreement with, like Ruby Ridge, and Waco.

And now I fear we're just minutes away from gunning for NRA members. Sadly, that's a therapy we may be in need of, before we "woke," and do something about guns.

I don't see guns as the problem, people loving guns is not the problem. Neither is mental illness the problem. The problem is some people, mental illness or not, see guns as a way to deal with their problems. In other countries, a mentally disturbed person with a gun might kill themselves before killing innocent people. Gun therapy is also used by the politicians, but on a larger scale. Not popular in the polls? Other countries getting you down? Start a war, pick on a small country that can't defend itself... gun therapy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

And now I fear we're just minutes away from gunning for NRA members. Sadly, that's a therapy we may be in need of, before we "woke," and do something about guns.

Whoa, kind of reckless here, bro.

A guy with all of your guns now "gunning" for all NRA members!

Time to shut this conversation down.

Why is it always about "worship" with you? Christian goes to church and you claim he worships the Bible and the pastor. Sportsman goes hunting and you claim he worships guns. Citizen votes for conservatives and you claim he worships Trump.

Your constant extremist talk is very disconcerting. You often just project your own extreme views on others you disagree with, like me for example.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Whoa, kind of reckless here, bro.

A guy with all of your guns now "gunning" for all NRA members!

Time to shut this conversation down.

Why is it always about "worship" with you? Christian goes to church and you claim he worships the Bible and the pastor. Sportsman goes hunting and you claim he worships guns. Citizen votes for conservatives and you claim he worships Trump.

Your constant extremist talk is very disconcerting. You often just project your own extreme views on others you disagree with, like me for example.

I don't worship my guns. But I do know gun collectors that do. And I'm not using all my guns -- 2 shotguns and a pistol -- to gun for NRA members.

That's your extreme talking. And sorry for disagreeing with you. But you say extreme things that don't stand up to fact checking.

And I don't get it why someone, you, with no guns supports guns. And someone with guns, me, doesn't.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

And I don't get it why someone, you, with no guns supports guns. And someone with guns, me, doesn't.

Awareness, you have a constitutional right to own guns, so I support that, but it doesn't mean that I have to use that right myself, at least not yet. I also strongly protest the attacks on the NRA. They have committed no crimes, in fact I would like to see all gun owners be forced to take gun safety courses thru the NRA. That would protect our schools far more than that Coward County Sheriff.

You also have the right to speak liberal policies and views that I don't agree with, just as I have the right to *mute* all liberals on TV. What I strongly protest are these radical leftists like ANTIFA and BLM who want to remove our rights to assemble and exercise free speech, especially in schools.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I don't see guns as the problem, people loving guns is not the problem. Neither is mental illness the problem. The problem is some people, mental illness or not, see guns as a way to deal with their problems. In other countries, a mentally disturbed person with a gun might kill themselves before killing innocent people. Gun therapy is also used by the politicians, but on a larger scale. Not popular in the polls? Other countries getting you down? Start a war, pick on a small country that can't defend itself... gun therapy.

Mentally disturbed people all over the world are using guns, vehicles, bombs, airplanes, battery acid, whatever they can find, etc. to kill others.

What planet are you on?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What I strongly protest are these radical leftists like ANTIFA and BLM who want to remove our rights to assemble and exercise free speech, especially in schools.

So you hate those you say hate, ANTIFA & BLM, but support Neo-Nazi White Supremeism, etc. You must be wearing your mute button out. I'm a mugwump. I don't mute anyone. I'll take truth, no matter how ugly it is, liberal, conservative, and center. Not to do that means views are supported by bias ... cuz your sources are biased just one way.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So you hate those you say hate, ANTIFA & BLM, but support Neo-Nazi White Supremeism, etc. You must be wearing your mute button out. I'm a mugwump. I don't mute anyone. I'll take truth, no matter how ugly it is, liberal, conservative, and center. Not to do that means views are supported by bias ... cuz your sources are biased just one way.

You must have worn out your mute button because you never hear what I say.

If you really listened then you would not distort my words.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You must have worn out your mute button because you never hear what I say.

If you really listened then you would not distort my words.

Okay. That's fair. Then explain what you mean by :

"What I strongly protest are these radical leftists like ANTIFA and BLM who want to remove our rights to assemble and exercise free speech, especially in schools."

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Mentally disturbed people all over the world are using guns, vehicles, bombs, airplanes, battery acid, whatever they can find, etc. to kill others.

What planet are you on?

They are not mentally disturbed they know what they are doing. If they were they would be treated as mental health patients not criminals.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't worship my guns. But I do know gun collectors that do. And I'm not using all my guns -- 2 shotguns and a pistol -- to gun for NRA members.

That's your extreme talking. And sorry for disagreeing with you. But you say extreme things that don't stand up to fact checking.

And I don't get it why someone, you, with no guns supports guns. And someone with guns, me, doesn't.

He might see guns as a way to solve problems...such as compensate for cowardly law enforcement...or classroom bullying. But other ways to solve these problems might be better training or learning to forgive.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Okay. That's fair. Then explain what you mean by :
"What I strongly protest are these radical leftists like ANTIFA and BLM who want to remove our rights to assemble and exercise free speech, especially in schools."

You said that I support Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, but I don't. I only support free speech, and not violence.

Too many of these ANTIFA, BLM, and Liberal activists are violently shutting down conservative free speech. (Did you see the violence last year at UC Berkeley, the supposed birth place of free speech?) Liberal Universities are actively censuring conservative speech and ideas. (UC Berkeley stopped Ann Coulter from speaking) Silicone Valley tech giants are suppressing all conservative speech. (Google fired an engineer for conservative views.)

Trump was soundly condemned as a "racist white supremacist" for a single comment after the Charlottesville protests. He said, "there are good people on both sides." What he said was true. I watched some film clips and I saw children marching on both sides. I'm sure they were there with someone else. But there were violent protesters on both sides too. Why was Trump not condemned for saying some of the ANTIFA activists were "good people?" Why did the media not condemn the violent ANTIFA protesters?

We are a great nation because we allow both sides to speak, like the old saying, "I may not agree with anything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That is now changing. We have ANTIFA shooting police, and they are not condemned. Why is that? Why does the media get to decide which speech is "politically correct," and which speech is "hate speech?" Why does Louis Farakhan get to hate Jews and Whites as Satan, without any condemnation? Just listen to one of his speeches.

[zeek]

"Moron" fires Rex Tillerson with a tweet.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Moron" fires Rex Tillerson with a tweet.

Oh great. Now if Trump has a deal with N. Korea who is going to remind him to sign it?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Oh great. Now if Trump has a deal with N. Korea who is going to remind him to sign it?

Pompeo will remind him. Sadly Trump says Pompeo thinks like he does.

Hours before being ousted, Tillerson called the poisoning of an ex-Russian spy and his daughter with a military-grade nerve agent in the U.K. “a really egregious act” that appears to have “clearly” come from Russia. So, of course he had to be fired.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Moron" fires Rex Tillerson with a tweet.

Long time coming.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Oh great. Now if Trump has a deal with N. Korea who is going to remind him to sign it?

He'll sign it David Dennison. Like the Stormy hush agreement.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Moron" fires Rex Tillerson with a tweet.

Yeah. Long time coming because as promised Trump picks the best.

Rex was blindsided while working, on a trip to Africa.

Trump's "best choices" are dropping like flies.

John McEntee, a longtime personal assistant to President Trump was abruptly escorted out of the White House Monday in another dramatic staff change.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Pompeo will remind him. Sadly Trump says Pompeo thinks like he does.

Hours before being ousted, Tillerson called the poisoning of an ex-Russian spy and his daughter with a military-grade nerve agent in the U.K. “a really egregious act” that appears to have “clearly” come from Russia. So, of course he had to be fired.

What did he expect? You can't blame Putin for killing spies and not expect repercussions. Where is the loyalty? You don't see Trump blaming Putin.

[ZNPaaneah]

Trump fired his longtime personal assistant who is under investigation for financial crimes

Finally! Draining the swamp!

[zeek]

The great scientist Stephen Hawking has died at age 76. May he rest in peace.

[zeek]

Check it out Ohio:

Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton
By KYLE CHENEY 03/13/2018 08:29 PM EDT

A top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee distanced himself Tuesday from one of the panel's most explosive findings in its Russia investigation — that the FBI, CIA and NSA overplayed their hand when they declared Russia preferred a Donald Trump victory in the 2016 election.

Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina said that the evidence gathered by the committee clearly showed Russia's disdain for Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, and was "motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...61612?cmpid=sf

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Check it out Ohio:

Gowdy breaks from GOP committee, says Russia worked to undermine Clinton
By KYLE CHENEY 03/13/2018 08:29 PM EDT

A top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee distanced himself Tuesday from one of the panel's most explosive findings in its Russia investigation — that the FBI, CIA and NSA overplayed their hand when they declared Russia preferred a Donald Trump victory in the 2016 election.

Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina said that the evidence gathered by the committee clearly showed Russia's disdain for Trump's rival, Hillary Clinton, and was "motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...61612?cmpid=sf

Russia has been meddling in our politics for nearly a century. So Putin didn't like Hilary? Neither did I. Does that make me Russian?

These are the kinds of absurd conclusions of "collusion" that have been dumped on us for nearly two years.

I get that you hate Trump. His "You're fired!" mantra is a little old, and his administration could sorely use a good PR department.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Russia has been meddling in our politics for nearly a century. So Putin didn't like Hilary? Neither did I. Does that make me Russian?

These are the kinds of absurd conclusions of "collusion" that have been dumped on us for nearly two years.

I get that you hate Trump. His "You're fired!" mantra is a little old, and his administration could sorely use a good PR department.

You should apply. There are a tremendous amount of openings, especially ambassadorships and virtually all the high level positions at State. Also, those in PR don't seem to last very long so there should be positions opening up there in the near future as well.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You should apply. There are a tremendous amount of openings, especially ambassadorships and virtually all the high level positions at State. Also, those in PR don't seem to last very long so there should be positions opening up there in the near future as well.

That assumes Chucky Schumer would confirm me before 2020.

[zeek]

Donald Trump:

"As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them, we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be, but I have not spoken to [May], I'll speak to her some time today."

— Trump, when asked about Russia's responsibility on Tuesday morning
Trump's hedge came after Tillerson said on Monday that Russia was "clearly" responsible and he was promptly fired by tweet.

As far as Trump is concerned, Putin can murder with impunity as long as he keeps his pee pee video is out of the public eye.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's a primary folks. The Democrats "won" every race. And so did the Republicans.

How about this election in Pa? Can we call that a harbinger of good times to come? Finally, Trump fulfilling his promise to "make America great again"?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

How about this election in Pa? Can we call that a harbinger of good times to come? Finally, Trump fulfilling his promise to "make America great again"?

Worse candidates than Roy Moore on Republican ticket, and the Democratic guy who won ran on Trump's platform -- pro-life, pro-union, pro-jobs, anti-Pelosi, pro-guns, etc.

Just like in 2010, the House will probably flip to Democrat.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Worse candidates than Roy Moore on Republican ticket, and the Democratic guy who won ran on Trump's platform -- pro-life, pro-union, pro-jobs, anti-Pelosi, pro-guns, etc.

Just like in 2010, the House will probably flip to Democrat.

Pro life democrat, that is an improvement. Well done Trump!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Worse candidates than Roy Moore on Republican ticket, and the Democratic guy who won ran on Trump's platform -- pro-life, pro-union, pro-jobs, anti-Pelosi, pro-guns, etc.

Just like in 2010, the House will probably flip to Democrat.

Like ZNP says, "Thanks Trump, for making America great again".

As if the demmies are gonna make America great again. But getting rid of the loony Trump is a step in the right direction.

But then what? Will a savior takes his place? Who? John Kasich Jr. would be better. But NOprah.

[zeek]

Bumper Sticker

First remove Trump...then throw a parade.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Worse candidates than Roy Moore on Republican ticket, and the Democratic guy who won ran on Trump's platform -- pro-life, pro-union, pro-jobs, anti-Pelosi, pro-guns, etc.

Just like in 2010, the House will probably flip to Democrat.

Bro Ohio sure could be a mouthpiece for Trump. Now Trump is taking credit for the Conor Lamb win.

“The young man last night that ran, he [Trump] said, ‘Oh, I’m like Trump. Second Amendment, everything. I love the tax cuts, everything.’ He ran on that basis,” Trump said at a fundraiser in Missouri on Wednesday, according to The Atlantic. “He ran on a campaign that said very nice things about me. I said, ‘Is he a Republican? He sounds like a Republican to me.’”

That's why Trump went to Pa. To campaign for Saccone. He knew the voters would turn on Saccone because of him. Haha.... Let's hope Trump keeps on campaigning for republicans.

[ZNPaaneah]

Donald Trump Jr. and Wife Vanessa May Be Getting a Divorce: Reports

It has been 13 years, that is a long time for a Trump, appears he is ready for a trade in.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Donald Trump Jr. and Wife Vanessa May Be Getting a Divorce: Reports

It has been 13 years, that is a long time for a Trump, appears he is ready for a trade in.

I'm sure he's got his own Stormy.

[awareness]

America First

Jimmy Kimmel ordered a bunch of merchandise from Trumpstore.com, run by Jr. & Eric. With even a thank you notice signed by Jr. & Eric.

All of the items came from overseas. Most from China. Some have no marking of where it came from, which is illegal with a fine of $500,000. Kimmel filed a complaint.

America First my backside.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Bro Ohio sure could be a mouthpiece for Trump. Now Trump is taking credit for the Conor Lamb win.

“The young man last night that ran, he [Trump] said, ‘Oh, I’m like Trump. Second Amendment, everything. I love the tax cuts, everything.’ He ran on that basis,” Trump said at a fundraiser in Missouri on Wednesday, according to The Atlantic. “He ran on a campaign that said very nice things about me. I said, ‘Is he a Republican? He sounds like a Republican to me.’”

That's why Trump went to Pa. To campaign for Saccone. He knew the voters would turn on Saccone because of him. Haha.... Let's hope Trump keeps on campaigning for republicans.

This is why I would never vote for a Democrat, and I have liked quite a few over the years. They may start out decently, filled with noble aspirations, but Lamb will have to choose between conscience and party, and we know who always wins. Before long he will be a wolf, just like the governor.

PA also has a Senator -- Casey Junior -- who runs on a pro-life platform. It never affected a single vote of his, though, because those Democrats must always vote with Party.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Donald Trump:

"As soon as we get the facts straight, if we agree with them, we will condemn Russia or whoever it may be, but I have not spoken to [May], I'll speak to her some time today."

— Trump, when asked about Russia's responsibility on Tuesday morning
Trump's hedge came after Tillerson said on Monday that Russia was "clearly" responsible and he was promptly fired by tweet.

As far as Trump is concerned, Putin can murder with impunity as long as he keeps his pee pee video is out of the public eye.

Oh the liberal hypocrisy: Make up the stories and spin them anti-Trump!

Just last year, because the conspiracy theory demanded it, the media told us that then-incoming Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was a pro-Vladimir Putin stooge. Basically, the choice of Tillerson was Manchurian President Donald Trump’s way of thanking Putin for his help in defeating Hillary Clinton.

But now that Trump has fired the “pro-Putin” Tillerson, and because the conspiracy theory demands it, this very same media are now telling us that Manchurian President Trump fired him for being too tough on Putin.

Oh the liberal hypocrisy: Make up the stories and spin them anti-Trump!

If I say it again, does anyone think they will listen?

Oh the liberal hypocrisy: Make up the stories and spin them anti-Trump!

.

[Ohio]

And my liberal friends still think Muller is justified --

FLASHBACK, October 18, 2016 |

Obama to Trump: "Stop Whining,"

"No Serious Person" Believes U.S. Elections Can Be Rigged Or Stolen

Here is shorter version of video

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And my liberal friends still think Muller is justified --

FLASHBACK, October 18, 2016 |

Obama to Trump: "Stop Whining,"

"No Serious Person" Believes U.S. Elections Can Be Rigged Or Stolen

Here is shorter version of video

I am pretty sure that in 2018 there are many serious people who feel elections can be rigged and stolen (from the Box 13 scandal all the way to Russian influence). Hitler stole and burned his way to power. I think this is why Putin couldn't control his complete ridicule when asked this question, he knew how idiotic it is to think that those in power do not try to influence elections.

[Ohio]

Russian collusion by the Trump Administration in the 2016 election is the greatest myth of the 21st Century.

The investigation was begun without a shred of legitimate evidence and after 14 months, they still have found none.

Even all the smart folks on this forum have fallen for this hoax.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Russian collusion by the Trump Administration in the 2016 election is the greatest myth of the 21st Century.

The investigation was begun without a shred of legitimate evidence and after 14 months, they still have found none.

Even all the smart folks on this forum have fallen for this hoax.

"All of the smart folks"?

My attitude has always been that we need to investigate. We have discovered that the Russians are trying to destabilize our government and hack our elections. It is very important that we are aware of this and respond so that our elections are credible.

Second, claiming that Trump didn't collude with the Russians is, in my opinion, trivial. The real issue for me: "is he compromised"? Is he beholden to Putin? Does Putin have dirt on him he doesn't want released? Is there criminal behavior in his financial dealings? Is his financial empire propped up by Putin?

To say that these concerns are based on myths is absurd. Trump could have dispelled them easily enough by releasing his tax returns as other candidates have done traditionally. He could have dispelled this by putting his assets into a blind trust, again a recognized ethically correct attitude. His reticence to say anything negative about Putin does not put one at ease. Lying about meetings with Russians does not put on at ease. I support Mueller and his investigation.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am pretty sure that in 2018 there are many serious people who feel elections can be rigged and stolen (from the Box 13 scandal all the way to Russian influence). Hitler stole and burned his way to power. I think this is why Putin couldn't control his complete ridicule when asked this question, he knew how idiotic it is to think that those in power do not try to influence elections.

Are not these inflammatory references to Hitler totally disingenuous? Is not Hitler "resurrected" to cover up your own embarrassment in believing lies, hoaxes, and myths used to deceive the American people?

There is absolutely no correlation between concerns about Russian interference and the accusations of Trump collusion. Period!

Did you watch any Obama videos chastising Trump for even be concerned about election rigging? This was the President who was repeatedly warned by House Chairman Nunes et.al. that the Russians were interfering, yet Obama did nothing because he *knew* Hillary would win.

We know that Hillary and the DNC rigged the Democratic primary against Bernie Sanders, yet without any culpability. Where's the outrage about that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

"All of the smart folks"?

My attitude has always been that we need to investigate. We have discovered that the Russians are trying to destabilize our government and hack our elections. It is very important that we are aware of this and respond so that our elections are credible.

Second, claiming that Trump didn't collude with the Russians is, in my opinion, trivial. The real issue for me: "is he compromised"? Is he beholden to Putin? Does Putin have dirt on him he doesn't want released? Is there criminal behavior in his financial dealings? Is his financial empire propped up by Putin?

To say that these concerns are based on myths is absurd. Trump could have dispelled them easily enough by releasing his tax returns as other candidates have done traditionally. He could have dispelled this by putting his assets into a blind trust, again a recognized ethically correct attitude. His reticence to say anything negative about Putin does not put one at ease. Lying about meetings with Russians does not put on at ease. I support Mueller and his investigation.

The Clinton Foundation received $145 Million Quid Pro Quo for her expediting the sale of 20% of US Uranium to Russia, and where were your concerns?

At the same time Bill Clinton received an all expense paid trip to Russia plus $500K pocket change for a short talk. Where's your concerns?

Muller was NEVER about Russian meddling. Muller was always about taking down Trump. Where's your concerns?

FBI/DOJ brass deceived the FISA courts in order to wiretap all of Team Trump, before AND after the election. Where's your concerns?

The only *proof* we have of altered election outcomes was the DNC primary. Where's your concerns?

Let me suggest that your "concerns" have been shaped by a biased media sans facts.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Are not these inflammatory references to Hitler totally disingenuous? Is not Hitler "resurrected" to cover up your own embarrassment in believing lies, hoaxes, and myths used to deceive the American people?

There is absolutely no correlation between concerns about Russian interference and the accusations of Trump collusion. Period!

Did you watch any Obama videos chastising Trump for even be concerned about election rigging? This was the President who was repeatedly warned by House Chairman Nunes et.al. that the Russians were interfering, yet Obama did nothing because he *knew* Hillary would win.

We know that Hillary and the DNC rigged the Democratic primary against Bernie Sanders, yet without any culpability. Where's the outrage about that.

We have had this discussion before. Collusion is a very difficult thing to prove. First you have to prove that the Russians influenced the election with the purpose of aiding Trump. That has been proved.

Then you have to prove that Trump's campaign contacted and met with the Russians. That has been proved.

Finally, you have to prove they colluded. Very difficult if not impossible to prove and as far as I am concerned trivial. What is much easier to prove is if Trump has received financial assistance from Russia and whether or not that gives them leverage. We do these kind of investigations on every single person who wants a security clearance. The only exception is the president. I have no problem with investigating him since he has refused to show us his tax returns and has refused to put his assets in a blind trust.

My point in using the Hitler reference was not to infer a similarity with Trump but to agree with you that Obama's statement was foolish. Any intelligent person should realize that democracies are prone to having their elections hacked.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The Clinton Foundation received $145 Million Quid Pro Quo for her expediting the sale of 20% of US Uranium to Russia, and where were your concerns?

At the same time Bill Clinton received an all expense paid trip to Russia plus $500K pocket change for a short talk. Where's your concerns?

Muller was NEVER about Russian meddling. Muller was always about taking down Trump. Where's your concerns?

FBI/DOJ brass deceived the FISA courts in order to wiretap all of Team Trump, before AND after the election. Where's your concerns?

The only *proof* we have of altered election outcomes was the DNC primary. Where's your concerns?

Let me suggest that your "concerns" have been shaped by a biased media sans facts.

I have stated my approval of having her investigated and tried and found guilty. That is all that I have done with the Trump investigation. I support both. I did not vote for Clinton, nor did I vote for Trump. I have treated them both equally the same, just as I would if I found a turd on the trail.

My concerns are with the peace and prosperity of this country.

I totally condemned the DNC primary, I have spoken publicly that they are to blame for Trump's election and I have said that I would have voted for either Bernie or Kasich.

Let me suggest that you are biased and not judging the facts in a reasonable manner.

[zeek]

Under increasing political pressure from both political parties in Washington, the Trump administration on Thursday finally imposed financial sanctions on Russian government hackers and spy agencies to punish Moscow for interfering in the 2016 presidential election, and for a cyberattack against Ukraine and other countries last year that officials have characterized as “the most destructive and costly” in history. These are not, however, the broad-based sanctions envisioned in the sanctions legislation passed by Congress nearly unanimously last year. And why hasn’t Trump given a speech denouncing Russia’s attack on our democracy? He has no problem denouncing anybody else.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

We have had this discussion before. Collusion is a very difficult thing to prove. First you have to prove that the Russians influenced the election with the purpose of aiding Trump. That has been proved.

Then you have to prove that Trump's campaign contacted and met with the Russians. That has been proved.

Finally, you have to prove they colluded. Very difficult if not impossible to prove and as far as I am concerned trivial. What is much easier to prove is if Trump has received financial assistance from Russia and whether or not that gives them leverage. We do these kind of investigations on every single person who wants a security clearance. The only exception is the president. I have no problem with investigating him since he has refused to show us his tax returns and has refused to put his assets in a blind trust.

My point in using the Hitler reference was not to infer a similarity with Trump but to agree with you that Obama's statement was foolish. Any intelligent person should realize that democracies are prone to having their elections hacked.

It was also proved that Russia aided the Clintons, and that Clinto contacted the Russians.

Why has Muller not investigated any of that? Why was his investigative team so biased? Why were his conflicts of interest not important? Why is he not examining FISA abuses? Why has he not prosecuted Comey for leaks? Why did he not prosecute Lynch for meeting Clinton on the tarmac? Why did he not prosecute Steele? Why did he not prosecute McCabe for deceiving the FISA judges? Why did he not prosecute Bruce and Nellie Ohr? Why did he not prosecute the Uranium One corruption?

This list is endless. But that don't seem to bother you. No prosecutor ever opens a case unless there is first evidence of a crime, but in this case the only "crime" is that Trump won. I find it extremely hard to reconcile your bias here with your forensics background. The two are simply incompatible.

[zeek]

What qualified, talented individual in his/her right mind would go to work for Donald Drumpf where they can expected to be abused and dismissed with a tweet without a moment's notice?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

What qualified, talented individual in his/her right mind would go to work for Donald Drumpf where they can expected to be abused and dismissed with a tweet without a moment's notice?

Happens all the time in private industry.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It was also proved that Russia aided the Clintons, and that Clinto contacted the Russians.

Why has Muller not investigated any of that? Why was his investigative team so biased? Why were his conflicts of interest not important? Why is he not examining FISA abuses? Why has he not prosecuted Comey for leaks? Why did he not prosecute Lynch for meeting Clinton on the tarmac? Why did he not prosecute Steele? Why did he not prosecute McCabe for deceiving the FISA judges? Why did he not prosecute Bruce and Nellie Ohr? Why did he not prosecute the Uranium One corruption?

This list is endless. But that don't seem to bother you. No prosecutor ever opens a case unless there is first evidence of a crime, but in this case the only "crime" is that Trump won. I find it extremely hard to reconcile your bias here with your forensics background. The two are simply incompatible.

Mueller is not the FBI, the FBI would be responsible for investigating any and all domestic crimes.

The reason I don't seem bothered is that the Republicans control both houses and the executive branch. The president can direct his Justice department to investigate and they can investigate. You keep crying like the Republicans can't do any of this. That is so phony it is mind boggling.

[awareness]

"“Never has a party abandoned and fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did in the face of the nativist juggernaut,” Flake said on Thursday in a speech to the National Press Club" - Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.)

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

"“Never has a party abandoned and fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did in the face of the nativist juggernaut,” Flake said on Thursday in a speech to the National Press Club" - Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.)

What Party is Flake speaking for? Not conservatives nor Republicans. He is grossly at odds with his own constituents and former Governor Brewer who stood up to Obama over immigration. That's why he is no longer running for the Senate.

Nativism: "the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants." I would ask, which illegal alien elected politicians to office? Since when do illegal aliens have more rights than the citizens of our country?

Liberalism: "those who steal the right to life of innocent unborn babies and give it to criminal illegal aliens."

Build the Wall!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Mueller is not the FBI, the FBI would be responsible for investigating any and all domestic crimes.

The reason I don't seem bothered is that the Republicans control both houses and the executive branch. The president can direct his Justice department to investigate and they can investigate. You keep crying like the Republicans can't do any of this. That is so phony it is mind boggling.

Only Muller has prosecutorial subpoena power.

Trump's DOJ IG does not. The House does not. The Senate does not.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Only Muller has prosecutorial subpoena power.

Trump's DOJ IG does not. The House does not. The Senate does not.

Sessions has already said that the DOJ would investigate the possible FISA violations that Trump has claimed. No doubt, if the DOJ finds any evidence they can then justify the appointment of a special prosecutor with subpoena power.

The complaint about "why isn't there a special prosecutor for these supposed violations" is not a complaint to me, it is a complaint to the DOJ in Trump's administration. At what point will the buck stop with him?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Happens all the time in private industry.

It's true that when a business is failing in private industry they often do lay people off and the Trump Administration is failing in so many ways. If only he would fire himself, he would get to the root of the problem.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What Party is Flake speaking for? Not conservatives nor Republicans. He is grossly at odds with his own constituents and former Governor Brewer who stood up to Obama over immigration. That's why he is no longer running for the Senate.

Nativism: "the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants." I would ask, which illegal alien elected politicians to office? Since when do illegal aliens have more rights than the citizens of our country?

Liberalism: "those who steal the right to life of innocent unborn babies and give it to criminal illegal aliens."

Build the Wall!

You're a funny guy bro Ohio. And the wall is just one of Trump's rash impulsive and foolish harebrained ideas. Why wall off our neighbors, that Jesus commands us to love.

Let's wall off Trump instead.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sessions has already said that the DOJ would investigate the possible FISA violations that Trump has claimed. No doubt, if the DOJ finds any evidence they can then justify the appointment of a special prosecutor with subpoena power.

The complaint about "why isn't there a special prosecutor for these supposed violations" is not a complaint to me, it is a complaint to the DOJ in Trump's administration. At what point will the buck stop with him?

It's all a drip, drip, drip of new info almost daily.

Now we learn that Peter Strzok, who was at the center of Hillary's exoneration, Flynn's conviction of lying, the Steele Dossier, etc. is a friend of the FISA Judge Contrerasand attempted to influence him.

Why no Muller justice for him? Because they are all on your team, the Hate Trump team.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's all a drip, drip, drip of new info almost daily.

Now we learn that Peter Strzok, who was at the center of Hillary's exoneration, Flynn's conviction of lying, the Steele Dossier, etc. is a friend of the FISA Judge Contrerasand attempted to influence him.

Why no Muller justice for him? Because they are all on your team, the Hate Trump team.

You may be right. Initially my attitude was indifference. I didn't vote for Trump, but the country did, he was the president, I supported him. But like you said, every day it is tweet, tweet, tweet. Prostitutes lining up, foul, obnoxious tweets, repulsive behavior. Yes, I probably am on the Hate Trump team now.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

You're a funny guy bro Ohio. And the wall is just one of Trump's rash impulsive and foolish harebrained ideas. Why wall off our neighbors, that Jesus commands us to love.

Let's wall off Trump instead.

Yer a funny guy too.

Yer loving Muslim Obama voted against the Wall before he voted for it.

Liberals are against Trump just to oppose him. It's as fashionable as bell-bottom pants.

Why don't you go back to the nation of Israel and see what God said about evil foreigners invading their country? Israel has a great wall too.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You may be right. Initially my attitude was indifference. I didn't vote for Trump, but the country did, he was the president, I supported him. But like you said, every day it is tweet, tweet, tweet. Prostitutes lining up, foul, obnoxious tweets, repulsive behavior. Yes, I probably am on the Hate Trump team now.

Ever consider that much of the Trump counter-punching "tweets" would never have been needed had Trump not been so falsely accused of collusion and facing an endless smear campaign?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yer a funny guy too.

Yer loving Muslim Obama voted against the Wall before he voted for it.

Liberals are against Trump just to oppose him. It's as fashionable as bell-bottom pants.

Why don't you go back to the nation of Israel and see what God said about evil foreigners invading their country? Israel has a great wall too.

But Israel could care less about Jesus, and his stupid sermon on the mount ... or the two great commandments ... like you're suppose to.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Ever consider that much of the Trump counter-punching "tweets" would never have been needed had Trump not been so falsely accused of collusion and facing an endless smear campaign?

I have considered that for all of his tweets and endless "counter punching" he seems very quiet about certain accusations you would expect him to claim are "fake news". Whenever he really does need to comment he is silent.

[ZNPaaneah]

"The big picture is a tale of what can happen when law enforcement is politicized, public servants are attacked, and people who are supposed to cherish and protect our institutions become instruments for damaging those institutions and people. Here is the reality: I am being singled out and treated this way because of the role I played, the actions I took, and the events I witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of James Comey. The release of this report was accelerated only after my testimony to the House Intelligence Committee revealed that I would corroborate former Director Comey’s accounts of his discussions with the President. The OIG’s focus on me and this report became a part of an unprecedented effort by the Administration, driven by the President himself, to remove me from my position, destroy my reputation, and possibly strip me of a pension that I worked 21 years to earn." (McCabe)

I predict a massive loss for the Republicans during the midterms. This action is extremely offensive to the 33% of American workers who work for govt and have pensions. This represents a sizable portion of the so called "Trump base" and "Republican base". I expect quiet outrage from the silent minority.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

"The big picture is a tale of what can happen when law enforcement is politicized, public servants are attacked, and people who are supposed to cherish and protect our institutions become instruments for damaging those institutions and people. Here is the reality: I am being singled out and treated this way because of the role I played, the actions I took, and the events I witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of James Comey. The release of this report was accelerated only after my testimony to the House Intelligence Committee revealed that I would corroborate former Director Comey’s accounts of his discussions with the President. The OIG’s focus on me and this report became a part of an unprecedented effort by the Administration, driven by the President himself, to remove me from my position, destroy my reputation, and possibly strip me of a pension that I worked 21 years to earn." (McCabe)

I predict a massive loss for the Republicans during the midterms. This action is extremely offensive to the 33% of American workers who work for govt and have pensions. This represents a sizable portion of the so called "Trump base" and "Republican base". I expect quiet outrage from the silent minority.

Really???

Where was the outrage when McCabe, Muller, and Strzok maliciously destroyed General Flynn and his family???

Flynn committed no crime, yet admitted to lying because he was bankrupt. That so-called conviction will soon be vacated by Judge Sullivan after crooked Judge Contreras got exposed.

ZNP, I wish you had a couple facts to accompany your faux outrage over McCabe. He commented that if he goes down, he is taking the rest of them too. Sounds like a conspiracy coup based on all the facts, which the Media has kept from you.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

ZNP, I wish you hade a couple facts to accompany your faux outrage over McCabe. He commented that if he goes down, he is taking the rest of them too. Sounds like a conspiracy coup based on all the facts, which the Media has kept from you.

Here is some more Faux outrage:

When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you. (John Brennan, former CIA chief)

Just to repeat, I predict the outrage from this will be channeled into the midterm elections.

The tragedy is that Nixon is not alive to see this.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Here is some more Faux outrage:

When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you. (John Brennan, former CIA chief)

Does it not bother you that Brennan who should be a-political in his position at the CIA, has become so blind to the facts of history that he goes public with his smear campaign? This tell me that Brennan is also corrupt, and part of the same coup to take out Trump. Sounds to me that he is scared for his own future.

It's interesting that you never look at the actual facts, only the media spin bias in the news. That's not what forensics teaches you. Follow the facts not your feelings!

If you really want to know what is going on, here is a news site from a seasoned reporter who has broken many stories, which nearly every other mainstream news outlet refuses to cover.

Why do you think the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and the DOJ Inspector General both recommended that McCabe be fired? None of these seasoned professionals are going to listen to some "crazed madman" in the White House.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Does it not bother you that Brennan who should be a-political in his position at the CIA, has become so blind to the facts of history that he goes public with his smear campaign?

Brennan is not at the CIA. He is retired. As such he has the right to be as political as he wishes, just like any other citizen. The difference is that his experience gives him a unique perspective and credibility concerning these issues.

[zeek]

Exerpt from statement by Andrew McCabe, Deputy Director of the FBI:

Here is the reality: I am being singled out and treated this way because of the role I played, the actions I took, and the events I witnessed in the aftermath of the firing of James Comey. The release of this report was accelerated only after my testimony to the House Intelligence Committee revealed that I would corroborate former Director Comey’s accounts of his discussions with the President. The OIG’s focus on me and this report became a part of an unprecedented effort by the Administration, driven by the President himself, to remove me from my position, destroy my reputation, and possibly strip me of a pension that I worked 21 years to earn. The accelerated release of the report, and the punitive actions taken in response, make sense only when viewed through this lens. Thursday’s comments from the White House are just the latest example of this.

This attack on my credibility is one part of a larger effort not just to slander me personally, but to taint the FBI, law enforcement, and intelligence professionals more generally. It is part of this Administration’s ongoing war on the FBI and the efforts of the Special Counsel investigation, which continue to this day. Their persistence in this campaign only highlights the importance of the Special Counsel’s work.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Exerpt from statement by Andrew McCabe, Deputy Director of the FBI:

McCabe and his friends attempted an unprecedented coup of a democratically elected President, breaking untold laws along the way, and now he wants us to believe he is a victim?

In reality, McCabe is merely using the press to prep the grand jury in his favor.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

McCabe and his friends attempted an unprecedented coup of a democratically elected President, breaking untold laws along the way, and now he wants us to believe he is a victim?

In reality, McCabe is merely using the press to prep the grand jury in his favor.

Regardless, the fact that Trump fired him just before qualifying for his pension reveals that Trump is has one hellofa brutal hateful cold heart.

And again, Trump can't fire anyone to their face. So he's a cold-hearted wussy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Regardless, the fact that Trump fired him just before qualifying for his pension reveals that Trump is has one hellofa brutal hateful cold heart.

Why is it you blame everything you don't like on Trump?

The FBI OPR, the DOJ IG, and the AG fired McCabe for good reason. He should be far more worried about prison time than his cushy pension. But don't let a few inconvenient facts get in your way.

Hurricanes, mudslides, nor'easters -- it's all Trump's fault! You guys had Dubya to blame for 16 years, now you got Trump.

_______________________________________________

Anyways, hopefully the warm weather is here, and it's getting a little old facing a group of guys who have a "hellofa brutal hateful cold heart" towards all conservatives like myself. I need a break. Beam me up Scotty.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Why is it you blame everything you don't like on Trump?

The FBI OPR, the DOJ IG, and the AG fired McCabe for good reason. He should be far more worried about prison time than his cushy pension. But don't let a few inconvenient facts get in your way.

Hurricanes, mudslides, nor'easters -- it's all Trump's fault! You guys had Dubya to blame for 16 years, now you got Trump.

Please forgive me. I messed up. I should be blaming Obama for everything, like you do. Correction: Obama fired McCabe.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Regardless, the fact that Trump fired him just before qualifying for his pension reveals that Trump is has one hellofa brutal hateful cold heart.

And again, Trump can't fire anyone to their face. So he's a cold-hearted wussy.

I think that is the way the vast majority of government employees will see it. Historically, many of those in law enforcement and the military formed the Republican base. I expect they will all remain silent as it is detrimental to your career to express a political view when you work for the government, but I do expect a very strong turnout from them in the midterms. That is when they will speak.

[awareness]

Trump cheated his way into office :

Data firm ‘employed by Trump’s Presidential campaign who tapped 50m Facebook profiles tries to block Channel 4 News report on their practices’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-4-report.html

[zeek]

On what our Troll president was up to yesterday:

US President Donald Trump has been warned by fellow Republicans against interfering in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigations.

It came after he attacked Mr Mueller's inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election.

In tweets at the weekend, Mr Trump reiterated that there had been "no collusion" between his team and Russia and called the probe a "witch hunt".

He added that it was dominated by "hardened Democrats".

Mr Mueller, a highly regarded former head of the FBI, is a Republican.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43453312

[ZNPaaneah]

India's significant investment in solar now puts China, the US and India as the big 3. The cost of solar per kWh is 2.5 cents, coal is 3.5 cents, and gas is 4.5 cents.

I can understand for states and locales with significant coal mines there would be political pressure not to phase it out as well as the existing installed costs.

But for everyone else who wants to get rid of the pollution and health costs that are associated with coal it seems the impetus to move to solar will be even stronger. In India they are projecting a 30 fold increase in solar over the next 7 years (2015-2022).

In NY you can get solar installed on your roof for free and also lock in a favorable rate for electricity. You need a good roof to be eligible, but there are a number of houses with solar in my neighborhood.

This is one fantastic way to cut down on our trade deficit.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Why is it you blame everything you don't like on Trump?

The FBI OPR, the DOJ IG, and the AG fired McCabe for good reason. He should be far more worried about prison time than his cushy pension. But don't let a few inconvenient facts get in your way.

Hurricanes, mudslides, nor'easters -- it's all Trump's fault! You guys had Dubya to blame for 16 years, now you got Trump.

_______________________________________________

Anyways, hopefully the warm weather is here, and it's getting a little old facing a group of guys who have a "hellofa brutal hateful cold heart" towards all conservatives like myself. I need a break. Beam me up Scotty.

It's time to give a break to Ohio
Who is after all a helluva guyo
And so may it not be a final good-bye-o
But just a quick break so he can go off and cryo.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

It's time to give a break to Ohio
Who is after all a helluva guyo
And so may it not be a final good-bye-o
But just a quick break so he can go off and cryo.

I think that is a little insulting. In my opinion he does a much better job than Sara Huckabee. My guess is she is ready to either spend more time with her family or else get fired from this job so she can work for his corporation. So who knows, maybe Ohio can take over for her.

[ZNPaaneah]

20 people and counting:

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-h...edium=referral

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think that is a little insulting. In my opinion he does a much better job than Sara Huckabee. My guess is she is ready to either spend more time with her family or else get fired from this job so she can work for his corporation. So who knows, maybe Ohio can take over for her.

It was supposed to be funny.

[zeek]

About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by zeek

About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury.

The national debt is a fictitious thing anyway used to keep control of the people. Debt is used by governments to justify certain policy decisions. Terrorism is used to justify invasion of privacy and national debt is used to justify restriction of freedoms for the "greater good".

Many people who mistakenly believe that government debt operates like their credit card debt are fooled.

Any government could reset it to zero if they wanted to, it's just a number on paper. It's like a financial "doomsday clock" that is used to instill fear into people.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury.

Yes, I figured out what the problem is. He doesn't simply speak with a 5th grade vocabulary, apparently his math skills are also topped out in 5th grade. He assumed if he fired everyone in the Executive branch it would balance the budget. (5th graders don't really understand numbers higher than thousands, so millions, billions and trillions are beyond him).

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

The national debt is a fictitious thing anyway used to keep control of the people. Debt is used by governments to justify certain policy decisions. Terrorism is used to justify invasion of privacy and national debt is used to justify restriction of freedoms for the "greater good".

Many people who mistakenly believe that government debt operates like their credit card debt are fooled.

Any government could reset it to zero if they wanted to, it's just a number on paper. It's like a financial "doomsday clock" that is used to instill fear into people.

Whoa!!! You might be Trump's next financial advisor!

[awareness]

Like father like son :

"Donald Trump Jr 'constantly called Aubrey O'Day and vowed to leave his pregnant wife for the singer but then ended the affair after Vanessa found emails between the two'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...brey-ODay.html

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Like father like son :

"Donald Trump Jr 'constantly called Aubrey O'Day and vowed to leave his pregnant wife for the singer but then ended the affair after Vanessa found emails between the two'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...brey-ODay.html

Where is the dustbin for these demagogues?

[Ohio]

Just wanted to stop by for a minute during the snowstorm ...

Not trying to persuade anyone here, just posting for the record, answering some questions I asked a while back.

Originally Posted by Ohio

• Why has Muller not investigated any of that?
• Why was his investigative team so biased?
• Why were his conflicts of interest not important?
• Why is he not examining FISA abuses?
• Why has he not prosecuted Comey for leaks?
• Why did he not prosecute Lynch for meeting Clinton on the tarmac?
• Why did he not prosecute Steele?
• Why did he not prosecute McCabe for deceiving the FISA judges?
• Why did he not prosecute Bruce and Nellie Ohr?
• Why did he not prosecute the Uranium One corruption?

So many questions. Special council made no sense. Everybody said Muller was clean, reputation was impeccable. For God's sake, he's a Republican!

Finally the answer comes to light. Starting to all make sense, and understand the answers why.

Today Sara Carter broke the story connecting Muller with the filthiest chapter in FBI history surrounding Whitey Bulger in Boston.

Imagine that! It all makes sense now.

[zeek]

John McCain spoke for me when he said "An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

John McCain spoke for me when he said "An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."

But Obama placing an embassy in Havana "rewarded" Castro for free and democratic elections?

And Putin given the "Russian Reset" by Hillary was a reward for benevolent works of humanitarian compassion?

Oh the stench of hypocrisy emanating from the creatures of the swamp!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But Obama placing an embassy in Havana "rewarded" Castro for free and democratic elections?

And Putin given the "Russian Reset" by Hillary was a reward for benevolent works of humanitarian compassion?

Oh the stench of hypocrisy emanating from the creatures of the swamp!

Now you got me completely confused. Are you saying that Trump's congratulation of Putin is similar to Obama's conciliation with Cuba and that instead of condemning Obama Trump is now one with Obama? So is the "stench of hypocrisy" referring to Trump condemning Obama and Clinton and yet congratulating Putin?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Just wanted to stop by for a minute during the snowstorm ...

Not trying to persuade anyone here, just posting for the record, answering some questions I asked a while back.

So many questions. Special council made no sense. Everybody said Muller was clean, reputation was impeccable. For God's sake, he's a Republican!

Finally the answer comes to light. Starting to all make sense, and understand the answers why.

Today Sara Carter broke the story connecting Muller with the filthiest chapter in FBI history surrounding Whitey Bulger in Boston.

Imagine that! It all makes sense now.

And rain is a conspiracy of the umbrella makers.

[awareness]

Fox News military analyst quits after a decade saying he is 'ashamed' of the network while calling it a 'propaganda machine for President Trump'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-ashamed.html

[zeek]

Originally Posted by awareness

Fox News military analyst quits after a decade saying he is 'ashamed' of the network while calling it a 'propaganda machine for President Trump'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-ashamed.html

Wait a moment while Ohio gathers dirt on the guy.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Wait a moment while Ohio gathers dirt on the guy.

So Sessions fired McCabe for "lack of candor". If "lack of candor" is a fireable offense then doesn't that mean we can fire Sessions and Trump?

Also, I think that note about "DO NOT CONGRATULATE PUTIN" was mean and tricky. If that note was put next to a plate of donuts, Trump could have easily misunderstood it to mean, "Donut, Congratulate Putin". We know his grasp of English is not great. What would cause his closest advisors to be so mean and show so little loyalty to him that they would leak this?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So Sessions fired McCabe for "lack of candor". If "lack of candor" is a fireable offense then doesn't that mean we can fire Sessions and Trump?

Also, I think that note about "DO NOT CONGRATULATE PUTIN" was mean and tricky. If that note was put next to a plate of donuts, Trump could have easily misunderstood it to mean, "Donut, Congratulate Putin". We know his grasp of English is not great. What would cause his closest advisors to be so mean and show so little loyalty to him that they would leak this?

Whoever leaked it wanted to show what a dumb ass he is.

Also, McCabe oversaw criminal investigation of Sessions.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by zeek

John McCain spoke for me when he said "An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections."

Trump called and congratulated Kim as well, probably, or he should, if he wants to make a thing of this. The Leader of the Free World is showing everyone that he has the freedom to meet dictators if he wants to.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Whoever leaked it wanted to show what a dumb ass he is.

Also, McCabe oversaw criminal investigation of Sessions.

I think the loyalty and discretion that Trump has shown to those that work for him is being repaid in kind. After 20 people leave I doubt it would have a negative impact on a career to be fired by Trump. Also, I expect that Trump's concern that people would poison him (hence his eating at McDonald's) is also being manifested in the Whitehouse staff. I doubt that this will stop, on the contrary since the firing of McCabe I expect this undermining by his own staff will continue.

[zeek]

I saw it on Facebook;

Christians have been warning about the Antichrist for 2000 years. So, when he finally shows up, they vote for him.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

I saw it on Facebook;

Christians have been warning about the Antichrist for 2000 years. So, when he finally shows up, they vote for him.

Give it a moment. For bro Ohio to say it was Obama.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by awareness

Give it a moment. For bro Ohio to say it was Obama.

Christ was white, so naturally, the anti-Christ must be black.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Christ was white, so naturally, the anti-Christ must be black.

. . . lol . . . . . . lol . . .

[ZNPaaneah]

Donald Trump Taunts Joe Biden: 'He Would Go Down Fast And Hard, Crying All The Way'

West Wing meets Professional Wrestling. What could be more entertaining than two 70 year olds duking it out.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Donald Trump Taunts Joe Biden: 'He Would Go Down Fast And Hard, Crying All The Way'

West Wing meets Professional Wrestling. What could be more entertaining than two 70 year olds duking it out.

As a showman that would be right up Trump's alley.

I'm more concerned that Trump might replace H.R. McMaster with 'Iraq has WMD's' - 'bomb Iran' - and - 'bomb North Korea' - John Bolton.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

As a showman that would be right up Trump's alley.

I'm more concerned that Trump might replace H.R. McMaster with 'Iraq has WMD's' - 'bomb Iran' - and - 'bomb North Korea' - John Bolton.

I'm concerned that some night, sitting in bed with a bucket of KFC he'll get offended by something some comedian says and decide a nuclear war to prove he has a bigger button than everyone else.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I'm concerned that some night, sitting in bed with a bucket of KFC he'll get offended by something some comedian says and decide a nuclear war to prove he has a bigger button than everyone else.

I couldn't help but connect these two posts.

What do you say about the masses who are duped by the media?

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The Lord said that with what judgement you judge you shall be judged. Hence, we are very safe judging ourselves. Therefore I think it is important to ask yourself why you were duped. If you don't learn from the experience it will happen again.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I couldn't help but connect these two posts.

What do you say about the masses who are duped by the media?

I say that governments and multinational corporations have become experts at manipulating the masses. Madison Avenue does this. CIA does this. KGB does this. I think people who use Facebook are asking for trouble. I think our experience is bringing us onto maturity so that we can rule and reign.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I say that governments and multinational corporations have become experts at manipulating the masses. Madison Avenue does this. CIA does this. KGB does this. I think people who use Facebook are asking for trouble. I think our experience is bringing us onto maturity so that we can rule and reign.

What happens if you learn that you have been duped by the media?

Will you then make the same comments which you recently made towards (ex) members of the LCM?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What happens if you learn that you have been duped by the media?

Will you then make the same comments which you recently made towards (ex) members of the LCM?

We are all accountable for our actions. If you voted for Clinton, you are accountable for that, if you voted for Trump you are accountable for that. If you didn't vote you are accountable for that.

If you voted for a candidate based on being duped by the media then you are accountable for that. However, the person that duped 50 million voters would hold the lion share of the guilt.

But obviously you are accountable for your actions.

As for Trump I have built my impression of him from his own words and actions, unfiltered by the media. In my experience the biggest red flag is a liar, and he is a liar. He is boastful, arrogant, obnoxious, and cruel. He is abusive towards women, and deceitful in his marriage. The current lawsuits, broken marriages, twenty one people who have quit, resigned, been fired are a testimony to not have anything to do with him.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What happens if you learn that you have been duped by the media?

What do you mean "if?" Did you see all the media, including Fox, that got behind Bush going into Iraq? We were all, including you, duped by the media.

[zeek]

I read that a PAC led by John Bolton, the next national security adviser, hired Cambridge Analytica for voter profiling, knowing it harvested Facebook data.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

What do you mean "if?" Did you see all the media, including Fox, that got behind Bush going into Iraq? We were all, including you, duped by the media.

And the media all duped us into going along with Owebama taking out Gaddafi in Libya, Mubarak in Egypt, and Assad in Syria, thus releasing the anarchy of the Muslam Brotherhood. Then the media duped us again into believing Owebama was a "genius" pulling out of Iraq. How about that J.V. team ISIS? They even convinced the world it was "Arab spring"-time in the Middle East.

Better not get started on what Clinton and Obama did in N. Korea and Iran.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

What do you mean "if?" Did you see all the media, including Fox, that got behind Bush going into Iraq? We were all, including you, duped by the media.

We were all lied to, that doesn't mean we were all duped. I protested immediately (the same week) that Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein don't mix. I had learned this from a ministry I was involved in at the church that studied the impact of Sharia law, and Amnesty international's ratings of abuse. I also did not buy the idea that these two buildings could implode like a controlled demolition.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And the media all duped us into going along with Owebama taking out Gaddafi in Libya, Mubarak in Egypt, and Assad in Syria, thus releasing the anarchy of the Muslam Brotherhood. Then the media duped us again into believing Owebama was a "genius" pulling out of Iraq. How about that J.V. team ISIS? They even convinced the world it was "Arab spring"-time in the Middle East.

Better not get started on what Clinton and Obama did in N. Korea and Iran.

Once again, commentary is not equivalent to "duping". It depends on how fully you buy into the editorials.

[ZNPaaneah]

President Trump admitted Thursday that he wasn’t sure if his popularity with the Republican base would lead to Congressional wins in the 2018 midterm elections.

I think this is just a convoluted way of saying that his popularity with the Republican base will lead to Congressional wins in the midterms by the Democrats.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

We were all lied to, that doesn't mean we were all duped. I protested immediately (the same week) that Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein don't mix. I had learned this from a ministry I was involved in at the church that studied the impact of Sharia law, and Amnesty international's ratings of abuse. I also did not buy the idea that these two buildings could implode like a controlled demolition.

So let me get this straight, you now believe that Donald Trump took down the two Trade Towers. Perhaps to build new Trump Towers?

[awareness]

"In his new article, "Personal values and support for Donald Trump during the 2016 US presidential primary," published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, psychologist Ryne Sherman describes a "prototypical Trump supporter""

• They are more likely to be authoritarians and to embrace other extreme right-wing ideologies.
• They are racially resentful and hostile to nonwhites. This attitude is especially pronounced toward African Americans.
• They exhibit forms of toxic behavior associated with "collective narcissism."
• They believe that white people are the real victims of racism in America.
• They are political bullies who engage in social dominance behavior against individuals and groups they view as Other (nonwhites and immigrants, Muslims, gays and lesbians) or their political enemies (liberals and progressives).
• They hold sexist and misogynist views.
• Trump's most extreme and enthusiastic supporters in the "alt-right" feature the "dark triad" of personality traits: narcissism, a propensity for violence and a Machiavellian longing to manipulate others.
• They have little regard for America's democratic norms and institutions and believe that winning at all costs is all that matters—even if that means siding with a foreign power such as Russia to elect Donald Trump
• They live in regions of the United States where people are more likely to be unhappy, miserable and physically unwell and to suffer from the "depths of despair."
• They are attracted to Trump's threats of violence and his other antisocial behavior.
• They are anti-intellectual, disdainful of higher education and hostile toward experts.
• They possess a deep fear of death and social obsolescence which compels them toward "strong leaders," guns, superficial expressions of patriotism and Christian fundamentalism.
• They are extremely gullible and thus vulnerable to disinformation and other lies, as disseminated through the right-wing media.
• They seek simple answers to complex problems and are quick to reject new and inconvenient information.
• Either directly or indirectly, they want to hurt others whom they consider "un-American" or outside their tribe and community.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...886918300862#!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Christ was white, so naturally, the anti-Christ must be black.

Former President Barack Obama told attendees at a conference in Japan on Sunday that he is looking to shape “a million” young leaders in his image to help the human race.

This is worse than a personality cult.

Millions of young people made in the image of Obama to save mankind.

Is this not the spirit of Antichrist?

[zeek]

Despite porn stars and Playboy models, white evangelicals aren’t rejecting Trump. Why? Christian nationalism...https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6136e4e9b1c8

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Former President Barack Obama told attendees at a conference in Japan on Sunday that he is looking to shape “a million” young leaders in his image to help the human race.

This is worse than a personality cult.

Millions of young people made in the image of Obama to save mankind.

Is this not the spirit of Antichrist?

Did he say he's anti-Christ?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Despite porn stars and Playboy models, white evangelicals aren’t rejecting Trump. Why? Christian nationalism...https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6136e4e9b1c8

Whoa! I am a white evangelical and I have rejected him.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Former President Barack Obama told attendees at a conference in Japan on Sunday that he is looking to shape “a million” young leaders in his image to help the human race.

This is worse than a personality cult.

Millions of young people made in the image of Obama to save mankind.

Is this not the spirit of Antichrist?

Well that is a great point. Trump does look pretty good when you compare him to the antichrist.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Well that is a great point. Trump does look pretty good when you compare him to the antichrist.

But I hear from Bible thumping prophecy nuts that Trump will get the temple rebuilt, so he can be great again, to stand up in it and declare himself God.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Whoa! I am a white evangelical and I have rejected him.

C'mon man, you understand demographics better than that, right?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Whoa! I am a white evangelical and I have rejected him.

I doubt it. Have you conclusively proved it with DNA tests?

None of us is "White" anymore, unless you are willing to confess to killing Indians, enslaving Africans, endorsing Playboy bunnies, and murdering school kids.

Recently I was summoned for jury duty. They needed my "RACE." I checked off "Other," and wrote in "American."

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

But I hear from Bible thumping prophecy nuts that Trump will get the temple rebuilt, so he can be great again, to stand up in it and declare himself God.

I thump the Bible too.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

C'mon man, you understand demographics better than that, right?

Apparently better than you. They try to smear Christians by saying they support Trump. But the reality is it is primarily rural whites, poor whites, and unemployed whites. Christianity has little to no basis. If you filter out those who are voting for him for ethnic reasons and economic reasons, then religion doesn't play a role.

Obviously since the majority of hispanics are catholic you would not get a high % of Catholics supporting him. Also, the vast majority of minorities that are not Catholic would be considered evangelical, muslim, or Jews. So they don't talk about Brown or Black evangelicals, only White.

Don't blame Christians for Trump.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I doubt it. Have you conclusively proved it with DNA tests?

None of us is "White" anymore, unless you are willing to confess to killing Indians, enslaving Africans, endorsing Playboy bunnies, and murdering school kids.

Recently I was summoned for jury duty. They needed my "RACE." I checked off "Other," and wrote in American.

I knew a brother who would write in "Native American" since he was a native American.