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Old 06-05-2018, 04:51 PM   #3501
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Trump tweeted yesterday that he has an absolute right to pardon himself from any crime. "As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to pardon myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong? In the meantime The neverending witch-hunt, led by 13 very angry and conflicted Democrats and others continues into the midterms!"

Back when Richard Nixon tried to obstruct justice the then acting Assistant Attorney General Mary C Lawton addressed the question of whether the POTUS can pardon himself in a memo. She concluded that it violates the basic notion that no one can serve as their own judge. Nixon resigned four days later.

This is Trump's latest attempt to usurp the rule of law. He's claiming to be above the law like King George of England. That's why the colonies signed the Declaration of Independence and enshrined the rule of law in the Constitution. This guy Trump is a would-be tyrant and he must be stopped.
Here is how the UK solved that problem - put him in a castle (err.. white house?), pay him lots of money for doing nothing (err.. playing golf?)...give him a crown and fancy jewelry..call him "your highness" .. oh yeah the important one .. create a parliament. Problem solved.
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Trump said in the past he was eager to sit for an interview with Robert Mueller. Now he's waffling on that and holding up the investigation. If he wants it over you should sit down and tell the truth but I don't think he knows how.
There is no such thing as "over" with Muller.

Muller has all the information he wants. There is nothing he can learn from Trump. But Muller can't find a crime, so he needs to set a perjury trap for Trump like he did with General Flynn.

Perhaps it is a crime to tell the NFL players to stand for the national anthem.
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This is Trump's latest attempt to usurp the rule of law. He's claiming to be above the law like King George of England. That's why the colonies signed the Declaration of Independence and enshrined the rule of law in the Constitution. This guy Trump is a would-be tyrant and he must be stopped.
Why shouldn't Trump enjoy the same perks as the Obama administration?
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Perhaps it is a crime to tell the NFL players to stand for the national anthem.
There was not a single Philadelphia Eagle's player that kneeled during the national Anthem this year. Falling for that hokey "national celebration" is embarrassing to anyone with an IQ greater than 80
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This guy Trump is a would-be tyrant and he must be stopped.
Convince a couple of Republicans and it will be done.
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Why shouldn't Trump enjoy the same perks as the Obama administration?
If Obama had done the same as Trump in his first year, he would have already been impeached.
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Convince a couple of Republicans and it will be done.
That won't happen. The pubbies don't even care if Russia meddles in our elections, as long as they win.
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That won't happen. The pubbies don't even care if Russia meddles in our elections, as long as they win.

I'm constantly amazed at how your conclusions are never supported by facts.
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I'm constantly amazed at how your conclusions are never supported by facts.
Well not the Fox facts.
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There was not a single Philadelphia Eagle's player that kneeled during the national Anthem this year. Falling for that hokey "national celebration" is embarrassing to anyone with an IQ greater than 80
Short of facts?

Why is it that Trump hatred tends to remove 50 points off one's IQ?

Apparently only 2 players and the mascot actually planned to visit the White House.

Just a cheesy plan to embarrass Trump prior to the NoKo Summit.

The NFL has become classless, and disrespectful to our nation.

The fans get it. Perhaps low IQ?
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Short of facts?

Why is it that Trump hatred tends to remove 50 points off one's IQ?

Apparently only 2 players and the mascot actually planned to visit the White House.

Just a cheesy plan to embarrass Trump prior to the NoKo Summit.

The NFL has become classless, and disrespectful to our nation.

The fans get it. Perhaps low IQ?
And you don't ask why so many football players, basketball players, etc., etc., don't want to go to the Whitehouse?

Whatever happened to democracy, representing the people? Yes, these athletes represent a complete mix of our society, but all of them are rich, every single one, and as a result they tend to be more conservative and more republican than their age and race would suggest.

You have the need to say "cheesy"? The cheesiest thing was that pathetic celebration Trump had. The only people who actually kneeled during the national anthem took place during his Whitehouse celebration.

He is an embarrassment.
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And you don't ask why so many football players, basketball players, etc., etc., don't want to go to the Whitehouse?

Whatever happened to democracy, representing the people? Yes, these athletes represent a complete mix of our society, but all of them are rich, every single one, and as a result they tend to be more conservative and more republican than their age and race would suggest.

You have the need to say "cheesy"? The cheesiest thing was that pathetic celebration Trump had. The only people who actually kneeled during the national anthem took place during his Whitehouse celebration.

He is an embarrassment.
The Eagles and their owner are the embarrassment -- deceptive at every turn. I'm sure the Secret Service has advised Trump never to participate with such a group of anti-American haters -- how could they protect him from an attack?

Your comment proves how the Democratic Party is the party of the rich, but not as you say "more Republican." Isn't it becoming hard for you to manipulate the facts around a false narrative? Don't the statistical facts tell us that the rich from the wealthy states are far more apt to be Liberals? And the poor working men and women are more apt to be conservative?

Representing the people? How about a fair and honest Press. Obviously these rich, coastline, millennial athletes have been influenced by negative Press, 95% of which is skewed to smear the President. Why don't you fact check some of their distortions? Why do you discard your forensics training when it comes to the media?

Have you ever looked into the so-called underlying protest movement concerning the National Anthem? Have you any idea how many lies, distortions, and deceptions are promulgated to maintain this false narrative? "White cops targeting innocent black men" has no basis in reality -- but who cares -- because nearly all professional football and basketball players have swallowed this fiction.

How do you justify all your hatred with the Lord's command to love even your enemies? And Paul's instructions to pray for our leaders?

I hear a lot of backlash against evangelical Christians, but I saw much more prayer from them concerning Obama, than I see in your hatred coming from Liberals towards Trump.
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The Eagles and their owner are the embarrassment -- deceptive at every turn. I'm sure the Secret Service has advised Trump never to participate with such a group of anti-American haters -- how could they protect him from an attack?
Anti American? I am pretty sure that the NFL is American (don't know of any other country to even try this sport other than Canada) and the Superbowl winners are the standard bearer of this very american sport.

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Your comment proves how the Democratic Party is the party of the rich, but not as you say "more Republican." Isn't it becoming hard for you to manipulate the facts around a false narrative? Don't the statistical facts tell us that the rich from the wealthy states are far more apt to be Liberals? And the poor working men and women are more apt to be conservative?
My comment didn't "prove" anything. It was anecdotal so at best it illustrated the point that these are Americans who are happy with America, they have done extremely well for themselves in this country, went to college, have extremely profitable careers and are successful. If you had 80 people in a prison who were angry with the President that wouldn't besmirch the President's reputation, but the fact that all of these people don't want to be honored at the White house, that is telling.

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Representing the people? How about a fair and honest Press. Obviously these rich, coastline, millennial athletes have been influenced by negative Press, 95% of which is skewed to smear the President. Why don't you fact check some of their distortions? Why do you discard your forensics training when it comes to the media?
That is insulting. Anyone who disagrees with you has been hoodwinked. Once you take that position it is no longer possible to have a reasonable conversation.

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Have you ever looked into the so-called underlying protest movement concerning the National Anthem? Have you any idea how many lies, distortions, and deceptions are promulgated to maintain this false narrative? "White cops targeting innocent black men" has no basis in reality -- but who cares -- because nearly all professional football and basketball players have swallowed this fiction.
Yes I have and I disagree with what they are doing. I disagree that this is a matter of free speech because I have no issue with them saying this in a tweet or through other avenues, but I feel it makes them look like spoiled brats to be making millions of dollars playing this game and then using the platform of the NFL game to make their protest. I also have no issue with the owners not hiring these guys who protested. The idea that they can protest as long as it doesn't cost them anything is anathema. That said, this had absolutely nothing to do with that protest. It has been pointed out repeatedly that the Eagles never once had any member kneeling during the Anthem. So Trump tweeting that this is the issue is nothing but "fake news" and another example of his lies.

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How do you justify all your hatred with the Lord's command to love even your enemies? And Paul's instructions to pray for our leaders?

I hear a lot of backlash against evangelical Christians, but I saw much more prayer from them concerning Obama, than I see in your hatred coming from Liberals towards Trump.
Hatred? Because I said he is an embarrassment? You are confusing your emotions. Ashamed of him, yes. Hate him, no. Pray for him, yes. Excuse his bad behavior and repeat his lies, no.
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Anti American? I am pretty sure that the NFL is American (don't know of any other country to even try this sport other than Canada) and the Superbowl winners are the standard bearer of this very american sport.
Let me explain this to the willfully ignorant. Of course the sport of football and the NFL is American, but you obfuscate these facts with a handful of players who disrespect our flag, our anthem, our military, our nation, and the fans who pay so much money to watch the game.

It's not that complicated. You're a smart guy. Take a few days off to figure it out.

And let me remind you that this whole movement was initiated by Nessa Diab, the very progressive and pretty Muslam radio host girlfriend of Colin Kapernick. Amazing what she has done to a formerly Christian athlete.
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Let me explain this to the willfully ignorant. Of course the sport of football and the NFL is American, but you obfuscate these facts with a handful of players who disrespect our flag, our anthem, our military, our nation,
That is not what they are doing and you know it.
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Let me explain this to the willfully ignorant. Of course the sport of football and the NFL is American, but you obfuscate these facts with a handful of players who disrespect our flag, our anthem, our military, our nation, and the fans who pay so much money to watch the game.

It's not that complicated. You're a smart guy. Take a few days off to figure it out.

And let me remind you that this whole movement was initiated by Nessa Diab, the very progressive and pretty Muslam radio host girlfriend of Colin Kapernick. Amazing what she has done to a formerly Christian athlete.
I agree that a there are a few players who did not think out their protest very well and instead of focusing on the issue they are concerned with their lame protest was seen as a blanket disrespect for the flag, anthem, military and nation.

But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".
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I agree that a there are a few players who did not think out their protest very well and instead of focusing on the issue they are concerned with their lame protest was seen as a blanket disrespect for the flag, anthem, military and nation.

But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".
They are American sports players, in the land of the free. They are free to honor or not honor whatever they want. The president nor anyone else has a right to tell them what to do and not do.
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That is not what they are doing and you know it.
What do I know about who doing what???
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They are American sports players, in the land of the free. They are free to honor or not honor whatever they want. The president nor anyone else has a right to tell them what to do and not do.
Our first amendment rights to assembly and free speech DO NOT occur at our jobs. The President is a citizen and a sports consumer so he definitely has a right to express his opinion.

Is that too hard to understand?

Show me one another place of employment that allows its employees to offend its customers with political statements about our national anthem, our flag, our military, etc?
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I agree that a there are a few players who did not think out their protest very well and instead of focusing on the issue they are concerned with their lame protest was seen as a blanket disrespect for the flag, anthem, military and nation.

But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".
Apparently you have not read up on the games the Eagles were playing with the White House. They requested their special visit be rescheduled during the the Singapore Summit. Do you understand that when the White House invites you over, perhaps it is you who must change your schedule to accommodate? To change the WH schedule affects hundreds or thousands of staff and security, not to mention NoKo.

White House: ‘Vast Majority’ of Philadelphia Eagles Abandoned Fans

Sorry but your info is just plain wrong. I suppose you got it from a fake news network.

Report: Nick Foles Was the Only Eagle Going to the White House

You keep saying the Eagles did not protest. Sure they did. Look at the fists.

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What do I know about who doing what???
Exactly ....
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They are American sports players, in the land of the free. They are free to honor or not honor whatever they want. The president nor anyone else has a right to tell them what to do and not do.
Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.
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Apparently you have not read up on the games the Eagles were playing with the White House. They requested their special visit be rescheduled during the the Singapore Summit. Do you understand that when the White House invites you over, perhaps it is you who must change your schedule to accommodate? To change the WH schedule affects hundreds or thousands of staff and security, not to mention NoKo.

White House: ‘Vast Majority’ of Philadelphia Eagles Abandoned Fans

Sorry but your info is just plain wrong. I suppose you got it from a fake news network.

Report: Nick Foles Was the Only Eagle Going to the White House

You keep saying the Eagles did not protest. Sure they did. Look at the fists.

So what, don't reschedule, a few people show up, then it is on the Eagles.
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So what, don't reschedule, a few people show up, then it is on the Eagles.
Did you read that article?

Only Nick Foles planned to go.

It was just a "game" from the beginning ...

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Did you read that article?

Only Nick Foles planned to go.

It was just a "game" from the beginning ...

And the end for me.
So what! If he doesn't cancel it then it isn't on him. 50% of the country would condemn the Eagles. This is the act of someone with a brittle, fragile ego who lacks self esteem.

But instead he cancels it blaming them for:

1. Kneeling in protest of our Anthem -- something they didn't do

and then when that is exposed as a lie

2. Attempting to reschedule when he isn't there. Just say no, can't do it then, we'll have to do it as scheduled, and when very few show up let the US decide who is at fault, who is insulting who.

I think 50% of us would see not showing up as another insult to our country, and again these athlete millionaires would have lost the PR battle, coming across as spoiled whiners.

Instead he is afraid of anything that would challenge his self centered concept that he is superior to everyone else. His fear that the crowd who comes to his inauguration is smaller and the those who come to his parties are fewer. In the process he reveals his deceitfulness.

Now everyone except for the most rabid Trump supporter will see this as Trump insulting the NFL, the Eagles, and their fans.
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So what! If he doesn't cancel it then it isn't on him. 50% of the country would condemn the Eagles. This is the act of someone with a brittle, fragile ego who lacks self esteem.

Now everyone except for the most rabid Trump supporter will see this as Trump insulting the NFL, the Eagles, and their fans.
On the contrary, only the most rabid Trump hater will see what Trump did for all the Eagles' fans who came was anything but classy, honorable, respectful, and patriotic.

Perhaps the courageous Nick Foles showed up. Unfortunately the progressive, liberal left has never been tolerant of those who disagree, and Nick's career with the Eagles may be over.

Trump Derangement Syndrome -- blinded by hate, deceived by the Press.
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Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.

What a breath of fresh air seeing a little common sense on this thread!


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Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.
So then the players can decide if their cause is worth losing that big paycheck or not.
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So then the players can decide if their cause is worth losing that big paycheck or not.
Besides being a great athlete, Michael Jordan is a shrewd business man. He was often criticized by his own people for being silent on controversial political topics, but he made lots of money off endorsements. His response was classic -- "Republicans buy shoes too."


Not even the courts will be able to help Colon Kapernick. I just read that he will attempt to subpoena Trump to testify. Good luck with that.

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Poor, poor Kapernick! Another Christian son brought down by a pretty girl. And a Muslam too. I hope he did not have to give up his faith for her love. He should have read the Proverbs.
A beautiful woman who lacks discretion is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout. (11.22)
LOL! Kaepernick may have his problems, women included (don't we all). But I think he's earnest in his causes ... and his paying for it ... but not happy about it.

Maybe he should become a preacher. If done right, there's big money in the racket too. And he could take a knee at every sermon.

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Trump is literally killing fake news :

Trump's tariff on Canadian newsprint is killing US newspapers, Republicans warn
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So then the players can decide if their cause is worth losing that big paycheck or not.
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G-7 Summit -- Pictures are worth a thousand words!







It seems to me that President Trump is merely following good presidential precedent with his performance at the recent G-7 summit. Richard Nixon called Pierre Trudeau an “asshole.” President Reagan slammed Trudeau in one of the private sessions of the G-7 (in 1983, if memory serves correctly), because it was obvious that Trudeau was trying to channel his spirit animal, Olaf Palme. So Trump’s belittling of the eminently belittleable Justin Trudeau seems just fine.


And as for Trump’s proposal that the G-7 become one big completely free trade zone, with no tariffs or trade barriers on anything, why that’s as silly as Reagan’s “Zero Option” for intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Europe! We all know how that silly idea turned out. -- Steven Hayward
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How Houston Lost Its Mind Over a Trump Shirt

After reading this article, I tried to be a little sympathetic towards this Councilwoman, but then again what she did to those young girls was wrong on so many counts.

Perhaps other Trump haters will read this and begin to understand what the other side goes thru.
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How Houston Lost Its Mind Over a Trump Shirt

After reading this article, I tried to be a little sympathetic towards this Councilwoman, but then again what she did to those young girls was wrong on so many counts.

Perhaps other Trump haters will read this and begin to understand what the other side goes thru.
The world has lost its mind. Donald Trump says something in private to one person, it is played on the TV for the entire world, now some woman is screaming something that even Trump probably wouldn't have screamed in that setting. But hey, she is quoting him. We will be judged for every word we speak, even if we are quoting the President. What is really through the looking glass is you respond to a Trump shirt by giving one of his most memorable quotes and the Trump supporter thinks they are about to be attacked by a mob. Sounds ironic.
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Wow, I never realized USA and NK have the SAME FLAG COLORS (even the same shades, coincidence?) and look so well together. Both have stars and stripes. The start of a beautiful friendship I think.
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Wow, I never realized USA and NK have the SAME FLAG COLORS (even the same shades, coincidence?) and look so well together. Both have stars and stripes. The start of a beautiful friendship I think.
Matching flags? It's a sign! Little rocket man and the dotard are about to enter a bromance of epic proportions. Have you heard the one about what happens when two liars walk into a room? The dotard wants a Nobel Peace Prize to hang in the Trump Tower. Kim wants to run with the big guys. They're quite alike actually. How absurd that the world revolves around the fragile egos of infantile men like these. Oh well, it's better than when they were slinging insults at each other like petulant children.
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Wow, I never realized USA and NK have the SAME FLAG COLORS (even the same shades, coincidence?) and look so well together. Both have stars and stripes. The start of a beautiful friendship I think.
Who knows what will come out of the two dictators getting together? They're both liars, so how can they trust each other?
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The world has lost its mind. Donald Trump says something in private to one person, it is played on the TV for the entire world, now some woman is screaming something that even Trump probably wouldn't have screamed in that setting. But hey, she is quoting him. We will be judged for every word we speak, even if we are quoting the President. What is really through the looking glass is you respond to a Trump shirt by giving one of his most memorable quotes and the Trump supporter thinks they are about to be attacked by a mob. Sounds ironic.
This pathetic Councilwoman was not "quoting Trump" when she changes pronouns and directs her wrath at 13 yo girls standing in line at a ice cream stand, but that's just too hard for some folks to understand.

Trump also called pro football players who protest our national anthem sob's. So in your twisted thinking some crazy is "quoting Trump" when he goes to the girls soccer game down the road screaming at them all "you sob's."

Watching today's media makes everybody crazy. It's planned that way. It's a culture "war" for a reason. When DiNero stands at the awards ceremony in NYC and shouts "F Trump," is he just acting or has he lost his mind?
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This pathetic Councilwoman was not "quoting Trump" when she changes pronouns and directs her wrath at 13 yo girls standing in line at a ice cream stand, but that's just too hard for some folks to understand.

Trump also called pro football players who protest our national anthem sob's. So in your twisted thinking some crazy is "quoting Trump" when he goes to the girls soccer game down the road screaming at them all "you sob's."

Watching today's media makes everybody crazy. It's planned that way. It's a culture "war" for a reason. When DiNero stands at the awards ceremony in NYC and shouts "F Trump," is he just acting or has he lost his mind?
Yes, in this twisted, mixed up world if Trump says this to someone it is justified, and if the recipients of his vulgarity respond in kind the same people who justified Trump condemn them. I imagine that no woman would want this expression directed at them from this man. I am condemning both of them, and I think this story shows how offensive and threatening this comment is, even if it is from a middle aged woman with small children in tow who is out numbered 4:1. But it illustrates the word in the Bible that you don't overcome evil with evil.
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Yes, in this twisted, mixed up world if Trump says this to someone it is justified, and if the recipients of his vulgarity respond in kind the same people who justified Trump condemn them. I imagine that no woman would want this expression directed at them from this man. I am condemning both of them, and I think this story shows how offensive and threatening this comment is, even if it is from a middle aged woman with small children in tow who is out numbered 4:1. But it illustrates the word in the Bible that you don't overcome evil with evil.
There is no justification whatsoever to repeat "jock bragging" spoken privately long before Trump ever ran for office. Neither is there any evidence that Trump's flippant brags ever actually were carried out.

Sorry you hate the guy, but don't lose your head over it.

The media protected Obama from all his past sins, while megaphoning all of Trumps. Unfortunately lefties refuse to acknowledge this. Slowly the independents are seeing thru the massive smear machine.
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There is no justification whatsoever to repeat "jock bragging" spoken privately long before Trump ever ran for office. Neither is there any evidence that Trump's flippant brags ever actually were carried out.
Is there a verse that you base this on? Just so I have it straight, it is OK for him to brag to others that he assaults women sexually because he has never been convicted of this crime.

But it is unconscionable that a woman would repeat this to these four girls who are promoting his candidacy. The fact that there is no evidence that this woman ever assaulted anyone sexually is no longer relevant.

Sounds very two faced to me.

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Ps 18:26 With the pure thou wilt show thyself pure; And with the perverse thou wilt show thyself froward.
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Ps 18:26 With the pure thou wilt show thyself pure; And with the perverse thou wilt show thyself froward.
I prefer the Bible too.
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I prefer the Bible too.
Oddly ... me too. It may contain crazy, and even make crazy ... but my world today seems crazier.
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I do not agree with the pundits saying that Trump gave away too much and was played by Kim.

If in fact he has moved the negotiations into his world of real estate development, then Trump will win. This is dependent on the idea that Kim wants to be a playboy dictator with billions pouring in, living a life hobnobbing with movie stars and NBA stars, and be cheered wherever he goes as a rock star. It seems more likely to me that Trump's temptation will have more traction with him than the sales pitch of the left (transition to Democracy, give up your Nukes and trust us, we won't have you killed).
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I do not agree with the pundits saying that Trump gave away too much and was played by Kim.

If in fact he has moved the negotiations into his world of real estate development, then Trump will win. This is dependent on the idea that Kim wants to be a playboy dictator with billions pouring in, living a life hobnobbing with movie stars and NBA stars, and be cheered wherever he goes as a rock star. It seems more likely to me that Trump's temptation will have more traction with him than the sales pitch of the left (transition to Democracy, give up your Nukes and trust us, we won't have you killed).

I had that thought too -- Trump has baited Kim with some vain glory -- not just in NoKo -- but on the world's stage.
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"I find it very strange that President Trump has such a hard time getting along with the leaders of the world's major democracies, but feels very comfortable with despots and authoritarian leaders."
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Ole Bernie is a class "act." He gets screwed by Hilary and the DNC, so he attacks Trump.

Just last week Perez at the DNC stuck it to Bernie again.

Lock them up for what they did to Burlington College.
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I had that thought too -- Trump has baited Kim with some vain glory -- not just in NoKo -- but on the world's stage.
Right, Trump hit Kim with the old Bait and Switch con game, something he has years of experience with. How long before he starts saying that Kim is not keeping his part of the deal?

Trump threw South Korea and the U.S. military under the bus by agreeing to halt military exercises without consulting or even informing them in advance. No problem. Trump will likely find fault with North Korea's compliance with the agreement in time for the military to go forward as scheduled.
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Ole Bernie is a class "act." He gets screwed by Hilary and the DNC, so he attacks Trump.

Just last week Perez at the DNC stuck it to Bernie again.

Lock them up for what they did to Burlington College.
People that think like you always want to lock people up. That's why the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
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People that think like you always want to lock people up. That's why the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world because of its diversity due to immigration. Other nations are much more homogeneous. It's also common for many European countries to hide their exploding crime rates due to immigrant populations that refuse to assimilate.

It goes both ways. Funny how you want Trump impeached without reason.
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Trump threw South Korea and the U.S. military under the bus by agreeing to halt military exercises without consulting or even informing them in advance. No problem. Trump will likely find fault with North Korea's compliance with the agreement in time for the military to go forward as scheduled.
What? How is suspending war games throwing them under the bus? He didn't cut their budget, didn't scale back, didn't reduce our military or our strength. Now we have a card we can play at any time "resumption of war games". In the meantime we save a tremendous amount of money.

Also, I imagine the US can now play these war games on computer simulations with reasonable results.
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People that think like you always want to lock people up. That's why the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
I am well aware of our incarceration rate and am very sure it is not due to locking up elite political operatives.
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I am well aware of our incarceration rate and am very sure it is not due to locking up elite political operatives.
Perhaps if a few of our crooked politicians got locked up, there would be a "trickle down" effect. What do you think ZNP?
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The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world because of its diversity due to immigration. Other nations are much more homogeneous. It's also common for many European countries to hide their exploding crime rates due to immigrant populations that refuse to assimilate.

It goes both ways. Funny how you want Trump impeached without reason.
Funny how you just make stuff up to support your biases. A disproportionate percentage of the incarcerated in America are Black Americans not immigrants. But, i guess from your white nationalist POV, black Americans are immigrants.

There are plenty of reasons to impeach Trump beginning with his flagrant, repeated violations of emoluments clause of the Constitution the most recent and glaring example of which is by making a deal with Beijing over Chinese telecommunications company ZTE.
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I am well aware of our incarceration rate and am very sure it is not due to locking up elite political operatives.

Well, that's not what I stated, so, so what?
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Trump's little meeting with Kim was historical not historic. Something that is historical is simply something that happened in the past, regardless of its significance. As William Safire once said, “Any past event is historical, but only the most memorable ones are historic.”
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Trump's little meeting with Kim was historical not historic. Something that is historical is simply something that happened in the past, regardless of its significance. As William Safire once said, “Any past event is historical, but only the most memorable ones are historic.”
Maybe historic for Kim. Trump is supposed to be some expert deal maker but in this instance Kim got what he wanted and Trump got nothing solid.
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Funny how you just make stuff up to support your biases. A disproportionate percentage of the incarcerated in America are Black Americans not immigrants. But, i guess from your white nationalist POV, black Americans are immigrants.

There are plenty of reasons to impeach Trump beginning with his flagrant, repeated violations of emoluments clause of the Constitution the most recent and glaring example of which is by making a deal with Beijing over Chinese telecommunications company ZTE.
Black Americans are immigrants. Haven't you heard?
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Have you heard the latest liberal talking points?

All those who support Trump are part of a cult.
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Maybe historic for Kim. Trump is supposed to be some expert deal maker but in this instance Kim got what he wanted and Trump got nothing solid.
Right. Trump, by meeting with him, legitimized Kim Jong-un , one of the worst violators of human rights in the world today. Nice work, dotard.
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Maybe, according to your twisted White Nationalist assessment.
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All those who support Trump are part of a cult.
That makes you a two time cult member. Why am I not surprised?
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Maybe, according to your twisted White Nationalist assessment.
You're a racist.
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Maybe historic for Kim. Trump is supposed to be some expert deal maker . . .
Or the Art of the Deal Breaker.
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Nah. Race is an illusion that you believe in. Sad.
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Right. Trump, by meeting with him, legitimized Kim Jong-un , one of the worst violators of human rights in the world today. Nice work, dotard.
Meeting itself, not so bad, but it's all the unnecessary praise is the problem. It has upset the North Koreans in Canada, doubly insulting Trudeau and praising Kim. Now that Trump has brought peace between the US and NK, Canadanian North Korea is now the biggest threat, I'd be looking at building a wall South AND North.
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Meeting itself, not so bad, but it's all the unnecessary praise is the problem. It has upset the North Koreans in Canada, doubly insulting Trudeau and praising Kim. Now that Trump has brought peace between the US and NK, Canadanian North Korea is now the biggest threat, I'd be looking at building a wall South AND North.
Did your phone scramble up your post? The US doesn't need to worry about war with or immigrants from Canada.
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Meeting itself, not so bad, but it's all the unnecessary praise is the problem. It has upset the North Koreans in Canada, doubly insulting Trudeau and praising Kim. Now that Trump has brought peace between the US and NK, Canadanian North Korea is now the biggest threat, I'd be looking at building a wall South AND North.
What the heck is Canadanian North Korea?

That's now the biggest national security threat?

I think you better stick to Aussie politics.
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What the heck is Canadanian North Korea?

That's now the biggest national security threat?

I think you better stick to Aussie politics.

North Koreans in Canada outraged at Donald Trump's praise of Kim Jong-un


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...actions-canada

Canada has destroyed the white house before. NK hasn't even set foot on American soil. I'd be worried about angry North Korean Canadians to the North.
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North Koreans in Canada outraged at Donald Trump's praise of Kim Jong-un


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Canada has destroyed the white house before. NK hasn't even set foot on American soil. I'd be worried about angry North Korean Canadians to the North.
Thanks for the article and the clarification. Excuse me if I don't get worried about this.
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Meeting itself, not so bad, but it's all the unnecessary praise is the problem. It has upset the North Koreans in Canada, doubly insulting Trudeau and praising Kim. Now that Trump has brought peace between the US and NK, Canadanian North Korea is now the biggest threat, I'd be looking at building a wall South AND North.
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Well, that's not what I stated, so, so what?
The mindset to lock up political leaders that commit crimes has no relationship to our incarceration rate, since people like Bagloyvich represent an infinitesimal fraction of our prison population. Trying to tie the two together is bogus.
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Right. Trump, by meeting with him, legitimized Kim Jong-un , one of the worst violators of human rights in the world today. Nice work, dotard.
When Trump took office Obama told him that North Korea would be his biggest concern. NK began testing intercontinental ballistic missiles that could hit the US and large nuclear warheads. It was the closest we have been to a nuclear confrontation in years.

Now, a few months later NK attended the Olympics in SK, went to the summit, and have pledged in principal to denuclearize.

We have not insulted him, instead we are giving him the carrot of billions of dollars of investments flowing into the country for development projects. Any unbiased assessment would conclude that the situation with North Korea has improved dramatically, more than in the past 20-30 years.

Doesn't mean it will last, but it is a good first step towards improving relations.
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The mindset to lock up political leaders that commit crimes has no relationship to our incarceration rate, since people like Bagloyvich represent an infinitesimal fraction of our prison population. Trying to tie the two together is bogus.
I didn't advocate what you're arguing against.
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When Trump took office Obama told him that North Korea would be his biggest concern. NK began testing intercontinental ballistic missiles that could hit the US and large nuclear warheads. It was the closest we have been to a nuclear confrontation in years.

Now, a few months later NK attended the Olympics in SK, went to the summit, and have pledged in principal to denuclearize.

We have not insulted him, instead we are giving him the carrot of billions of dollars of investments flowing into the country for development projects. Any unbiased assessment would conclude that the situation with North Korea has improved dramatically, more than in the past 20-30 years.

Doesn't mean it will last, but it is a good first step towards improving relations.
Talking is usually better than dropping bombs on each other. On the other hand making concessions unilaterally is a sign of weakness. Legitimating a cruel dictator based on vague promises is a recipe for failure. Reagan pursued peace through strength. Trump is pursuing peace through flattery. But then Reagan was a man of principles and Trump is a man of deceit. A bad tree can't bear good fruit. [Matt. 7:18]
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Talking is usually better than dropping bombs on each other. On the other hand making concessions unilaterally is a sign of weakness. Legitimating a cruel dictator based on vague promises is a recipe for failure. Reagan pursued peace through strength. Trump is pursuing peace through flattery. But then Reagan was a man of principles and Trump is a man of deceit. A bad tree can't bear good fruit. [Matt. 7:18]
Not so. The same progressive media that today condemns Trump also condemned an "unprincipled" Ronald Reagan using all the same condemnations.
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Not so. The same progressive media that today condemns Trump also condemned an "unprincipled" Ronald Reagan using all the same condemnations.
Nonsense.The media lauded Reagan as the great communicator. You're just looking at things in all or nothing terms again. Everything to you is either black or white there is no grays.

You were in the local church during the Reagan years. The local church thinks the only good people are in the local church. (They're not intrinsically good either but they have the spirit.) Everybody else is evil. The media is evil; politicians are evil, etc ad nauseum. If Donald Trump is evil he's no different than anyone else especially any politician. Good can only come when God the Puppet Master is pulling a person's strings like the evangelicals think God is doing to Trump now. Trump is acting out God's eternal purpose by bringing Armageddon. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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This may be good news. Franklin might be coming to his senses :

Franklin Graham criticizes Trump policy of separating families at border
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Nonsense.The media lauded Reagan as the great communicator. You're just looking at things in all or nothing terms again. Everything to you is either black or white there is no grays.

You were in the local church during the Reagan years. The local church thinks the only good people are in the local church. (They're not intrinsically good either but they have the spirit.) Everybody else is evil. The media is evil; politicians are evil, etc ad nauseum. If Donald Trump is evil he's no different than anyone else especially any politician. Good can only come when God the Puppet Master is pulling a person's strings like the evangelicals think God is doing to Trump now. Trump is acting out God's eternal purpose by bringing Armageddon. Tell me where I'm wrong.
So many stereotypes and blatant errors in your comments, there is almost no place to begin. Your recollection of history needs some anti-dementia pills, perhaps Prevagen could help.

Concerning Pres. Reagan, here is just the first hit on my searcher ...

What They Said Then: How the Liberal Media Savaged Reagan
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So many stereotypes and blatant errors in your comments, there is almost no place to begin. Your recollection of history needs some anti-dementia pills, perhaps Prevagen could help.

Concerning Pres. Reagan, here is just the first hit on my searcher ...

What They Said Then: How the Liberal Media Savaged Reagan
No right wing bias on that website.
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Talking is usually better than dropping bombs on each other. On the other hand making concessions unilaterally is a sign of weakness.
I think that is not fair, before even coming to the summit NK blew up testing facilities and made some concessions. Now it was our turn. Canceling war games seems like a very pleasant concession, we don't reduce our military strength and we can immediately resume them should things get worse, but if you are not on the verge of war why do you need these dress rehearsals?

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Again, this may or may not be true. No one came out and gave Kim the nobel peace prize, no one has claimed he hasn't committed human rights violations. But Saudi Arabia has, Kuwait has, Russia, China, etc. If you demand that we have a sinless leader before the US will talk to them that is an absurd position to take. Our biggest concern cannot be that he killed his brother, but rather that he might fire a nuclear missile. Signing an agreement to de nuclearize as a goal is obviously the first step.

We did not lift any sanctions, instead we said we would begin the process. This allows us to say "in exchange for lifting this we need you to do that".

There is a key principle in negotiating when you hit an impasse like we did with North Korea, it is not tit for tat, but rather give them two things for one thing. That will often get the reconciliation resumed.
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New York is suing the Trump foundation, accusing it of vast lawbreaking. It wants to bar the president and his children from serving on charities.

The New York State attorney general’s office filed a scathingly worded lawsuit on Thursday taking aim at the Donald J. Trump Foundation, accusing the charity and the Trump family of sweeping violations of campaign finance laws, self-dealing and illegal coordination with the presidential campaign.

The lawsuit, which seeks to dissolve the foundation and bar President Trump and three of his children from serving on the boards of nonprofits, was an extraordinary rebuke of a sitting president.
The State of New York is doing the work of Congress which should be in the process of impeaching Trump on these grounds.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.105ce95832d6
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No right wing bias on that website.
That's your answer? I soundly refute your statements, filled with videos and recorded statements from notable media figures, and you dismiss it as bias.

It's all a game with you.
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The State of New York is doing the work of Congress which should be in the process of impeaching Trump on these grounds.
Didn't that NY Atty General resign after being exposed for sexual assault?

How is this not progressive bias?
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Didn't that NY Atty General resign after being exposed for sexual assault?

How is this not progressive bias?
How is using a charitable Foundation to finance your election campaign not corrupt? I don't care what you call it progressive or conservative it's wrong.
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Muller throws Manafort in prison, revoking bail, to divert attention from the Dept. of Justice Inspector General's report released yesterday.
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Muller throws Manafort in prison, revoking bail, to divert attention from the Dept. of Justice Inspector General's report released yesterday.
If you follow the news you knew this was coming for days because Manafort allegedly tampered with Witnesses.
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If you follow the news you knew this was coming for days because Manafort allegedly tampered with Witnesses.
We both know that Muller's goal is to make Manafort "sing and compose" new stories.

Both Muller and his prosecutors (lookup Andrew Weissmann) have a long and checkered history of prosecutorial abuse.
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How is using a charitable Foundation to finance your election campaign not corrupt? I don't care what you call it progressive or conservative it's wrong.
I totally agree.

That's what the Clinton Foundation was established for, soliciting big money from around the globe for future favors.

Thanks for agreeing with me.
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I totally agree.

That's what the Clinton Foundation was established for, soliciting big money from around the globe for future favors.

Thanks for agreeing with me.
That was a problem for Clinton and would have been a bigger one for her had she become President. I don't remember that she was indicted for writing checks from her foundation to pay her bills or fund her campaign, however. I'm sure if she was, you'll tell me. That would not, however, erase Trump's crimes. He, not Hillary, is President now, you might notice.
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Rogue FBI agent echoes Hilary's disparaging comments about those who support President Trump:
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I've received the same vibes on this forum about myself.

Basket of deplorables anyone?

Thanks. Just in time for the Midterm elections to stir up all these "uneducated, lazy POS" voters to go to the polls and vote. Can't make this stuff up folks.

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I've received the same vibes on this forum about myself.

Basket of deplorables anyone?

Thanks. Just in time for the Midterm elections to stir up all these "uneducated, lazy POS" voters to go to the polls and vote. Can't make this stuff up folks.

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That FBI employee apparently doesn't understand Trump supporters any better than you and Michael E. Young understand "The Left".
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That FBI employee apparently doesn't understand Trump supporters any better than you and Michael E. Young understand "The Left".
It's not wrong not to understand. It can lead to a better understanding and dialog. I was once on the left, so I might understand better than you might think.

The attitude of these FBI agents is not unique. He probably does understand, but just hates them, just like Hilary. This arrogant, hateful attitude is on display at every Hollywood awards show, every late night comedy show, every media outlet except Fox, every street protest, Pelosi and Schumer, etc. I see it all the time.

As has been said, the right views the left as just "wrong," but the left views the right as just "evil." This says a lot. If the right is "evil" then the left is justified in any action they take, because we all "know" that Trump is the evil Hitler and should be assassinated. Today.
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It's not wrong not to understand. It can lead to a better understanding and dialog. I was once on the left, so I might understand better than you might think.

The attitude of these FBI agents is not unique. He probably does understand, but just hates them, just like Hilary. This arrogant, hateful attitude is on display at every Hollywood awards show, every late night comedy show, every media outlet except Fox, every street protest, Pelosi and Schumer, etc. I see it all the time.

As has been said, the right views the left as just "wrong," but the left views the right as just "evil." This says a lot. If the right is "evil" then the left is justified in any action they take, because we all "know" that Trump is the evil Hitler and should be assassinated. Today.
As if there aren't people on the Right that feel the same way towards the Left. Who are you kidding me or yourself?
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It's not wrong not to understand. It can lead to a better understanding and dialog. I was once on the left, so I might understand better than you might think.

The attitude of these FBI agents is not unique. He probably does understand, but just hates them, just like Hilary. This arrogant, hateful attitude is on display at every Hollywood awards show, every late night comedy show, every media outlet except Fox, every street protest, Pelosi and Schumer, etc. I see it all the time.

As has been said, the right views the left as just "wrong," but the left views the right as just "evil." This says a lot. If the right is "evil" then the left is justified in any action they take, because we all "know" that Trump is the evil Hitler and should be assassinated. Today.
There are 35,000 people employed by the FBI, I imagine we could find two out of these 35,000 that have just about any political bent. I don't buy the idea that a tweet between two FBI agents indicates that the FBI as a whole has this attitude.
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There are 35,000 people employed by the FBI, I imagine we could find two out of these 35,000 that have just about any political bent. I don't buy the idea that a tweet between two FBI agents indicates that the FBI as a whole has this attitude.
No one ever said that, rather DC HQ has promoted certain idealogues to top level positions. Ones like Comey, McCabe, Page, and Strzok did all they could to exonerate Hilary and at the same time frame Trump. The DOJ IG identified 5 rotten FBI agents.

You are a forensics guy. Use your skills to dig into the facts.
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As if there aren't people on the Right that feel the same way towards the Left. Who are you kidding me or yourself?
The animus on the Left is Ten fold greater.

If the LEFT didn't have double standards, it would have no standards at all!
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Jeff Sessions uses Romans 13:1 to justify separating immigrant children from their parents at the border:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.


But he fails to read on to Romans 13:10 :

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Jeff Sessions uses Romans 13:1 to justify separating immigrant children from their parents at the border:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.


But he fails to read on to Romans 13:10 :

Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Yes, Sessions touched off a nerve among Evangelical pastors with the slightest ounce of compassion for children. This kind of cruelty can scar a child emotionally for the rest of their lives. Surely there's kinder gentler way to protect the border without harming children. Trump's wall trump's family values. And then to scapegoat the Democrats for his cruel action is a cowardly ploy to avoid taking responsibility. Trump is a disgrace to the values of this nation. Throw the bum out!
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Yes, Sessions touched off a nerve among Evangelical pastors with the slightest ounce of compassion for children. This kind of cruelty can scar a child emotionally for the rest of their lives. Surely there's kinder gentler way to protect the border without harming children. Trump's wall trump's family values. And then to scapegoat the Democrats for his cruel action is a cowardly ploy to avoid taking responsibility. Trump is a disgrace to the values of this nation. Throw the bum out!
I know there's an emoluments clause in the constitution, that can be used to toss a president out ... but is a moral clause missing, that could throw one out?

Even Session's own church denounced him. Not to mention the all in Trump supporter, Franklin Graham.
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Yes, Sessions touched off a nerve among Evangelical pastors with the slightest ounce of compassion for children. This kind of cruelty can scar a child emotionally for the rest of their lives. Surely there's kinder gentler way to protect the border without harming children. Trump's wall trump's family values. And then to scapegoat the Democrats for his cruel action is a cowardly ploy to avoid taking responsibility. Trump is a disgrace to the values of this nation. Throw the bum out!
The laws here were established during the Obama administration, and the media never attaked him for border policies.

The US has become a nanny state for the whole world.

If you don't like US border policy, perhaps it's best to stay home. What's so bad about these Central American countries? Americans want to vacation and move there.

The media plastered that photo of kids sleeping in "cages" and then we find out it was taken in 2014 during the Obama admin -- fake news to smear Trump -- the guy you guys love to hate.
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This may be good news. Franklin might be coming to his senses :

Franklin Graham criticizes Trump policy of separating families at border
http://thehill.com/homenews/392104-f...lies-at-border
Franklin Graham is not an evangelist like his father, but a political figure.

He condemn the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing.

It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.
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The laws here were established during the Obama administration, and the media never attaked him for border policies.

The US has become a nanny state for the whole world.

If you don't like US border policy, perhaps it's best to stay home. What's so bad about these Central American countries? Americans want to vacation and move there.

The media plastered that photo of kids sleeping in "cages" and then we find out it was taken in 2014 during the Obama admin -- fake news to smear Trump -- the guy you guys love to hate.
I reject your characterization of "The Media" as a monolithic entity. Think of it as kind of like Trump's rejection of global liberal democracy. So, your "the media never..." is a false statement on its face.
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Franklin Graham is not an evangelist like his father, but a political figure.

He condemns the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing.

It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.
Right. Graham is a political actor. He's a white nationalist like Trump. "Blame the Libtards." Trump is using a policy of cruelty toward children and families to force Congress to act. He's cunning and he has no scuples about hurting people to get his way.
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Yes, Sessions touched off a nerve among Evangelical pastors with the slightest ounce of compassion for children. This kind of cruelty can scar a child emotionally for the rest of their lives. Surely there's kinder gentler way to protect the border without harming children. Trump's wall trump's family values. And then to scapegoat the Democrats for his cruel action is a cowardly ploy to avoid taking responsibility. Trump is a disgrace to the values of this nation. Throw the bum out!
Typical Progressive hit job on Trump exposes hypocrisy of the LEFT.

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I reject your characterization of "The Media" as a monolithic entity. Think of it as kind of like Trump's rejection of global liberal democracy. So, your "the media never..." is a false statement on its face.
Technically perhaps, but so many folks see the homogeneous "main stream media" as a monolithic entity that my characterization is accurate.

It's so typical of this forum so constantly dredge up exceptions to redefine the "rule." Case in point: using Franklin Graham to characterize all Christians.

Like it or not, it is what it is.
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Right. Graham is a political actor. He's a white nationalist like Trump. "Blame the Libtards." Trump is using a policy of cruelty toward children and families to force Congress to act. He's cunning and he has no scruples (sic) about hurting people to get his way.
Complete lies.

This post is Ten-fold all the condemnations you aim at me.

So dastardly of you Liberal Progressives to condemn Trump for all the horrific policies he inherited from your idol Yobama.
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Complete lies.

This post is Ten-fold all the condemnations you aim at me.

So dastardly of you Liberal Progressives to condemn Trump for all the horrific policies he inherited from your idol Yobama.
You've bought Trump's lie and added to it another, i.e. that I idolize Obama. Obama is a fallible human being like everybody else. Trump wouldn't be President if there weren't weaknesses among his opponents. But, I understand. Trump lies so much it's impossible to keep up. Like yesterday when Trump called James Comey's behavior "criminal" a day after a Justice Department report that made no accusation of criminal wrongdoing.

Dastardly of Fascist White Nationalists to blame the Libtards for their actions. But, typical, and deliberate. Trump never takes responsibility for the negative consequences of his actions. And you're apparently one with him on this point.

Trump is breaking up children and families in order to provoke Congress into passing immigration legislation. That would be a big win for him.
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Trump is breaking up children and families in order to provoke Congress into passing immigration legislation. That would be a big win for him.
Let me see you take your children to any country on earth and break in.

You will be in jail and the children will be taken somewhere else. If you are lucky.

Liberalism is a progressive brain disorder, a mental health condition. Perhaps a lobotomy would help. That's what they did in Camelot.
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Franklin Graham is not an evangelist like his father, but a political figure.

He condemn the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing.

It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.
Oh c'mon bro Ohio. Do you have children? No parent can have no sympathy with children being separated from their mother and father. That empathy has nothing to do with liberalism, or voters.

Why do you need these straw men?
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Oh c'mon bro Ohio. Do you have children? No parent can have no sympathy with children being separated from their mother and father. That empathy has nothing to do with liberalism, or voters.
Why do you need these straw men?

Hey awareness. I think I'll commit a crime today because no empathetic judge will ever separate me from my children.

Have you lost your brains? Liberalism rhymes with dementia?

Any idea how man men and women are in prison today ... separated from their children for committing crimes.

Stay home with your children!!!
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Jeff Sessions uses Romans 13:1 to justify separating immigrant children from their parents at the border:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.


But he fails to read on to Romans 13:10 :

Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I think a much more appropriate reference is the case of two women coming before Solomon claiming the baby is their baby.

There is a special case for people seeking US citizenship. They can jump to the front of the line if they are claiming asylum. But how do you know if their life is truly in danger or is this just a lie so they can jump in front of the line? Well, if you felt that your child would be killed if you return you would certainly stick to your story even if it meant being separated from your child, just as what happened in the case with Solomon.
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I think a much more appropriate reference is the case of two women coming before Solomon claiming the baby is their baby.

There is a special case for people seeking US citizenship. They can jump to the front of the line if they are claiming asylum. But how do you know if their life is truly in danger or is this just a lie so they can jump in front of the line? Well, if you felt that your child would be killed if you return you would certainly stick to your story even if it meant being separated from your child, just as what happened in the case with Solomon.
Now it all makes sense!!

The border is now inundated with naughty children who got disciplined by their parents back in Central America and are now seeking asylum to get away from them. That's why they are happy to be separated at the border.

Kids are smart. They got social media. They are playing the system.
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Hey awareness. I think I'll commit a crime today because no empathetic judge will ever separate me from my children.
False equivalency ... and smacks of whataboutism.

Are you forgetting Romans 13:10, or just ignoring it? Cuz I know you know what I mean.

You're support for separating children just makes Trumpians, and the Kool-Aid drinking Republicans, look hateful and ultimately, inhumanely coldhearted.

That's okay, they'll pay for it at the mid-terms.
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I think a much more appropriate reference is the case of two women coming before Solomon claiming the baby is their baby.

There is a special case for people seeking US citizenship. They can jump to the front of the line if they are claiming asylum. But how do you know if their life is truly in danger or is this just a lie so they can jump in front of the line? Well, if you felt that your child would be killed if you return you would certainly stick to your story even if it meant being separated from your child, just as what happened in the case with Solomon.
Since we're quoting Sessions, and Romans, I can't fault your fetishism of the Bible. Obviously, Sessions has the same fetish.
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Now it all makes sense!!

The border is now inundated with naughty children who got disciplined by their parents back in Central America and are now seeking asylum to get away from them. That's why they are happy to be separated at the border.

Kids are smart. They got social media. They are playing the system.
This is not a joke, being a refuge from persecution is a foundation of our country. But it is reasonable to be wise as serpents
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This is not a joke, being a refuge from persecution is a foundation of our country. But it is reasonable to be wise as serpents
There's been many news reports that these refugees are NOT fleeing from their own government for religious or ethnic persecution, but are escaping local crime, spousal abuse, vandalism, burglary, etc.

Using these same criteria, residents of Chicago, IL could also apply for asylum in the USA. I can't say I'd blame them.

Perhaps the residents of all of these California Sanctuary Cities will soon be going to the border and seek asylum in safer states like Ohio. Perhaps they will decide to take their children to the border in Texas, because they can get a better education there than in the Los Angeles public school system.
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Since we're quoting Sessions, and Romans, I can't fault your fetishism of the Bible. Obviously, Sessions has the same fetish.
Why is quoting the Bible a "fetish?"

Do you have a fetishism for Daily Mail since you quote them so often?
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False equivalency ... and smacks of whataboutism.

Are you forgetting Romans 13:10, or just ignoring it? Cuz I know you know what I mean.

You're support for separating children just makes Trumpians, and the Kool-Aid drinking Republicans, look hateful and ultimately, inhumanely coldhearted.

That's okay, they'll pay for it at the mid-terms.
I am only supporting the rule of Law from the Obama era, but you like to blame everything on Trump these days. You blamed Bush too for 8 years after he left office.

I don't have a Bible "fetish," so I did not read that verse.

I find it amazing that you all of a sudden care for children at the border. Pangs of guilt perhaps?
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Why is quoting the Bible a "fetish?"

Do you have a fetishism for Daily Mail since you quote them so often?
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Why is quoting the Bible a "fetish?"

Do you have a fetishism for Daily Mail since you quote them so often?
Out here it looks like you are always trying to reference everything to the Bible, even modern science. That's a fetish.

Sessions obviously also has that same sort of fetish, or he wouldn't be quoting scripture to justify is atrocious heartless actions.

But America has a long history of using the Bible to support atrocities against others (usually of color). They used it to support genocide against the first nation peoples, also separating their children, and the same for slavery ... they separated children then too.

And Christians that support such actions aren't Christians, but in name only = CINO's.
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And Christians that support such actions aren't Christians, but in name only = CINO's.
And you, as moderator of the great alt-views, alone possesses authority to decide who are CINO's and who are real Christians.

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Out here it looks like you are always trying to reference everything to the Bible, even modern science. That's a fetish.

Sessions obviously also has that same sort of fetish, or he wouldn't be quoting scripture to justify is atrocious heartless actions.

But America has a long history of using the Bible to support atrocities against others (usually of color). They used it to support genocide against the first nation peoples, also separating their children, and the same for slavery ... they separated children then too.

And Christians that support such actions aren't Christians, but in name only = CINO's.
Talking about heartless atrocities, could anything be worse than Solomon cutting that baby in half and giving one of the halves back to its mother? Yet that is how he was able to determine which one was lying and which one wasn't.
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Talking about heartless atrocities, could anything be worse than Solomon cutting that baby in half and giving one of the halves back to its mother? Yet that is how he was able to determine which one was lying and which one wasn't.
LOL ... rotflmao ....

But they were harlots ... like the children coming over the border, that are also rapists.

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Exercising my fetish again.

'Other governments separated mothers and children': Former CIA director is slammed for comparing Trump's immigration policy to that used by the Nazis during the Holocaust
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America is doing it wrong. The parents and the children should be in jail together. That's the best possible outcome, to stop illegal migration. In other countries, in SE Asia, Australia, it works! The problem with keeping children out of jail is that the mothers or fathers might be willing to go to jail for the interests of their child, knowing they are cared for by foster care etc. It's a sacrifice most parents would be willing to make. Putting the child in jail as well solves that problem, keeps them together, easier to process them as a family. The parents can protect them, and the children can play with other children.

When I say "jail", I don't mean supermax. They have toys, they have play areas, they get fed, clothed, free education, medical, all the essentials they need. Most of all they keep their family and community intact. Especially if they are from a tribal culture like the middle east, family is everything.
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America is doing it wrong. The parents and the children should be in jail together. That's the best possible outcome, to stop illegal migration. In other countries, in SE Asia, Australia, it works! The problem with keeping children out of jail is that the mothers or fathers might be willing to go to jail for the interests of their child, knowing they are cared for by foster care etc. It's a sacrifice most parents would be willing to make. Putting the child in jail as well solves that problem, keeps them together, easier to process them as a family. The parents can protect them, and the children can play with other children.

When I say "jail", I don't mean supermax. They have toys, they have play areas, they get fed, clothed, free education, medical, all the essentials they need. Most of all they keep their family and community intact. Especially if they are from a tribal culture like the middle east, family is everything.
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Yes, good one, Evangelical. On Blog "Grace Under Fire" in the Christian Post writer asks if Jeff Sessions is a dominionist and cautions against fascist fusing of church and state. http://blogs.christianpost.com/grace...d-state-30047/
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Is anyone going to talk about the main issue here? In 2015 asylum seekers in Europe grew exponentially, about 4 times more than the previous year, about 1.25 million, and that has continued to the present. In 2015 and 2016 they had 2.5 million seeking asylum. Although there are various reasons, without a doubt climate change is the reason for the huge increase.

So on the one hand Trump denies climate change, forbids the use of certain language by government agencies, but on the other hand they have a siege mentality, feeling that the US is about to be flooded with refugees from Climate change.
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I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.
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I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.
It's also child abuse and a violation of human rights.
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Is anyone going to talk about the main issue here? In 2015 asylum seekers in Europe grew exponentially, about 4 times more than the previous year, about 1.25 million, and that has continued to the present. In 2015 and 2016 they had 2.5 million seeking asylum. Although there are various reasons, without a doubt climate change is the reason for the huge increase.

So on the one hand Trump denies climate change, forbids the use of certain language by government agencies, but on the other hand they have a siege mentality, feeling that the US is about to be flooded with refugees from Climate change.

NATO and US wars, sanctions and destabilization caused the refugee crisis. The US meddled in the affairs of relatively stable dictatorships, causing much upheaval and unrest. Iraq led to ISIS, Syria led to the current situation, Libya, Yemen, so many other examples. This is really a replication of what occurred in South East Asia in the 60's, 70's. US actions leading to flood of refugees around the world.

Because the US played a major role in causing or worsening these situations, the US should be partly responsibility for the refugees.
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NATO and US wars, sanctions and destabilization caused the refugee crisis. The US meddled in the affairs of relatively stable dictatorships, causing much upheaval and unrest. Iraq led to ISIS, Syria led to the current situation, Libya, Yemen, so many other examples. This is really a replication of what occurred in South East Asia in the 60's, 70's. US actions leading to flood of refugees around the world.
In 2015? There has been a dramatic increase due to unprecedented climatic upheaval in Syria and other countries from where these refugees are coming from.

Stop being distracted by the children crying. The big story here is that the US government is lying about climate change saying there is nothing to see while at the same time preparing to be inundated with climate refugees. These kids, that is the tip of the iceberg.

Global insured losses from natural disasters hit $134bn in 2017: Aon Benfield https://www.reinsurancene.ws/global-...-aon-benfield/ The total estimated loss in property was about $350 bn. These people are losing their homes, farms, livelihood. We are talking about $200 bn in losses by people who were not insured and that is about 3xs the losses in 2016.

For example: Last September, the Bangladeshi government responded to weeks of torrential rain with a slew of statistics. They said 8 million people in 32 districts had been affected by floods, with 307,000 people staying in emergency shelters and 1,945 medical teams deployed. In addition, 103,855 houses had been destroyed, with a further 633,792 partially damaged, and 4,636 schools – and several hundred thousand acres of farm land – had been flooded.
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Stephen Miller reportedly crafted Trump's cruel policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the border. http://www.businessinsider.com/who-i...nt=bufferfbd23

Even House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., who is an immigration hard-liner, told NPR's Mary Louise Kelly in an interview Monday for All Things Considered that he backs the changes to the administration's policy in the compromise bill. "We're hard at work on language right now to take care of this problem so that children can remain with their parents," Goodlatte said.
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“If Europe thinks they have a problem with migration today … wait 20 years,” said retired US military corps brigadier general Stephen Cheney. “See what happens when climate change drives people out of Africa – the Sahel [sub-Saharan area] especially – and we’re talking now not just one or two million, but 10 or 20 [million]. They are not going to south Africa, they are going across the Mediterranean.” (https://www.theguardian.com/environm...refugee-crisis)
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“If Europe thinks they have a problem with migration today … wait 20 years,” said retired US military corps brigadier general Stephen Cheney. “See what happens when climate change drives people out of Africa – the Sahel [sub-Saharan area] especially – and we’re talking now not just one or two million, but 10 or 20 [million]. They are not going to south Africa, they are going across the Mediterranean.” (https://www.theguardian.com/environm...refugee-crisis)

1,000 years ago they tried the same thing and we had the crusades.
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Thank God Trump has the guts to separate these children from the human traffickers and give them loving care, protection, and shelter.
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Thank God Trump has the guts to separate these children from the human traffickers and give them loving care, protection, and shelter.
The burden of proof is on the Trump Administration to show that is the case. If it were so they would have said so in the beginning. Instead they said that separating the children from their parents was deterrent. It looks like you believed another lie.
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The burden of proof is on the Trump Administration to show that is the case. If it were so they would have said so in the beginning. Instead they said that separating the children from their parents was deterrent. It looks like you believed another lie.
If the entire mainstream media is promoting the same narrative, it is by definition a deceptive lie.

I told you that the original picture, which ignited the controversy, was from 2014 under the Obama admin. Obviously you don't care. The media acts like these policies just begun, but have been going on for years. Notice the timing -- the Democrats had to distract our attention from the Kim Summit and the IG Report.

Amazingly, even Laura Bush chimed in, that is, until Sarah Sanders WH SpokesPerson reminded her that Dubya signed this legislation in 2008. Duh!

But why let a few facts get in the way. Like a vast percentage of minors are NOT accompanied by their parents. Even the leftist Democrats on the Hill smell blood and began screaming at Trump as if they have one ounce of compassion or a single fact on their side.

zeek, I thought you were a smart guy. I am amazed how easily you get distracted with the crowds. Like lemmings running over the cliff after every new shiny object. Wide is the way that leads to destruction. If the whole world hates Trump, you might want to reconsider why.
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If the entire mainstream media is promoting the same narrative, it is by definition a deceptive lie.

I told you that the original picture, which ignited the controversy, was from 2014 under the Obama admin. Obviously you don't care. The media acts like these policies just begun, but have been going on for years. Notice the timing -- the Democrats had to distract our attention from the Kim Summit and the IG Report.

Amazingly, even Laura Bush chimed in, that is, until Sarah Sanders WH SpokesPerson reminded her that Dubya signed this legislation in 2008. Duh!

But why let a few facts get in the way. Like a vast percentage of minors are NOT accompanied by their parents. Even the leftist Democrats on the Hill smell blood and began screaming at Trump as if they have one ounce of compassion or a single fact on their side.

zeek, I thought you were a smart guy. I am amazed how easily you get distracted with the crowds. Like lemmings running over the cliff after every new shiny object. Wide is the way that leads to destruction. If the whole world hates Trump, you might want to reconsider why.
The bottom line is that we need legislation concerning immigration. It has to take into account the concerns for keeping the US safe, protecting out citizens, while also accounting for the wonderful benefits we get from immigrants as a boost to our economy. Finally, the current situation is not acceptable, we are a humane country and we do not want to imitate Nazi Germany.

There is an easy solution -- refuge city. Let those coming and claiming asylum go to a "refuge city" on the border where they can live and work until their case is adjudicated.
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The bottom line is that we need legislation concerning immigration. It has to take into account the concerns for keeping the US safe, protecting out citizens, while also accounting for the wonderful benefits we get from immigrants as a boost to our economy. Finally, the current situation is not acceptable, we are a humane country and we do not want to imitate Nazi Germany.

There is an easy solution -- refuge city. Let those coming and claiming asylum go to a "refuge city" on the border where they can live and work until their case is adjudicated.
There's not one thing happening on the border that could be connected to the Hitler Natzis. That whole manufactured narrative is a deceptive lie. And you guys know it! This whole drama is just one more charade in a long series going back to the Primaries in 2015.

Every country has right to protect its borders. Every incarcerated felon is separated from his or her children. Most of these children are NOT accompanied by parents. All of these illegal immigrants should have gone to Ports of Entry. The children in these centers are well cared for. They are far safer than inner city schools, esp. Chicago.

Name me one child that has been gassed and incinerated on the border like the Jews in the holocaust.
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The burden of proof is on the Trump Administration to show that is the case. If it were so they would have said so in the beginning. Instead they said that separating the children from their parents was deterrent. It looks like you believed another lie.
It is the corrupt media and the Democrats who have the burden of proof.

Did they not bring forth false accusations?

Are we now all guilty until we prove ourselves innocent?
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There's not one thing happening on the border that could be connected to the Hitler Natzis. That whole manufactured narrative is a deceptive lie. And you guys know it! This whole drama is just one more charade in a long series going back to the Primaries in 2015.

Every country has right to protect its borders. Every incarcerated felon is separated from his or her children. Most of these children are NOT accompanied by parents. All of these illegal immigrants should have gone to Ports of Entry. The children in these centers are well cared for. They are far safer than inner city schools, esp. Chicago.
These are not incarcerated felons. These are people who are applying for asylum and a judge has not yet had a chance to hear their case. Yes, many are lying and will be refused, but there are those who are truly seeking asylum. We do not need to treat them as felons. Like I said, there should be a refuge city where they are allowed to enter but not leave until their case is heard. This would save us the money of housing, feeding, and caring for them. If you are truly seeking asylum this would be merciful, if you are trying to scam the system and jump the line then you would be fingerprinted, deported, and the next time you try this you would immediately pop up in the system.

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Name me one child that has been gassed and incinerated on the border like the Jews in the holocaust.
Prior to gassing them, the "final" solution, they were segregated into Ghetto's (Jewish side of the city), forced to wear stars, etc. When we talk about Nazi Germany it doesn't simply refer to gas chambers, it refers to ghettos, demonizing one small segment of society, blaming the Jews for all the ills in the country, running on a campaign to deal with the Jews, and a whole new way of enforcing the law including summary executions on the street without a trial.

The Nazi's were never elected to power on a platform of "gas chambers" that was done more subtly. They were elected with the promise to "deal with the problem of the Jews" much like Trump has made immigration and illegal aliens the cornerstone of his campaign. In fact the "make America great again" was lifted straight from Nazi campaign rhetoric. Another cornerstone was the claim that the peace treaty from WWI was not just, similar to Trump's contention that our trade agreements are not just.

It was not illogical to vote for Hitler, many were concerned about communism from Russia and Hitler was successful at branding communism as a Jewish doctrine. The peace treaty was unjust and Germans were right to fight it.

However, today the overwhelming majority of Germans are ashamed of Hitler, not because of what he promised (they are not communist and they have much better treaties today) but because they trusted him to accomplish what he promised even though he was clearly incompetent and they were willing to turn a blind eye because they liked his speeches.
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However, today the overwhelming majority of Germans are ashamed of Hitler, not because of what he promised (they are not communist and they have much better treaties today) but because they trusted him to accomplish what he promised even though he was clearly incompetent and they were willing to turn a blind eye because they liked his speeches.
Wow, does that sounds like Obama, the community organizer, the "Great Orator."
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Wow, does that sounds like Obama, the community organizer, the "Great Orator."
If you are going to liken Obama to Hitler you have no ground to complain when others liken Trump to Hitler.

So far the only thing I have done is liken children held in cages, crying for their mothers similar to what the Nazis did in Germany when they began to separate out the Jews from the rest of the country.
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I think everyone is really overlooking the very big reveal. One Fox news anchor likened what she saw to summer camp! What kind of summer camp did she go to? Why is no one asking about this? Did her parents drop her off at the local penitentiary during the summer? If you abuse kids like that, telling them prison is summer camp, does that explain them later becoming Fox news hosts?
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Wow, does that sounds like Obama, the community organizer, the "Great Orator."
Yeah, when are we gonna impeach Obama?
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I just finished an extensive course on the Civil War. It struck me at the end that if the South had been able to accurately and precisely calculate the cost of the war they wouldn't have seceded. It seems to me we have the technology to simulate war, and we could use the mathematical skill, formulas and precision of actuaries. Imagine if at some time in the future we simply calculate the cost before going to war. I think if we did that it would be a lot easier to mediate conflicts to avoid war.
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Yeah, when are we gonna impeach Obama?
When we gonna indict him for orchestrating a coup?
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If you are going to liken Obama to Hitler you have no ground to complain when others liken Trump to Hitler.

So far the only thing I have done is liken children held in cages, crying for their mothers similar to what the Nazis did in Germany when they began to separate out the Jews from the rest of the country.
Obama gave us the kids in cages, and you said nothing.

At this point I'd rather have a President who is hated. Hated without a cause.

Obama, however, was an idol.



Isn't this just how the AntiChrist will arrive on the scene? He will be likened to a god, loved by all. The media will fawn all over him, "and they worshiped the beast, saying who is like the beast." (Rev 13.4)
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I think everyone is really overlooking the very big reveal. One Fox news anchor likened what she saw to summer camp! What kind of summer camp did she go to? Why is no one asking about this? Did her parents drop her off at the local penitentiary during the summer? If you abuse kids like that, telling them prison is summer camp, does that explain them later becoming Fox news hosts?
I saw a report on the news. Doctor said the toddlers aged 1-3 were properly cared for but eerily silent, neither crying nor laughing.

The Left tries to blame this on the Trump administration. I blame it on those who dumped these kids at the border. Who would do that to children? They were all traumatized long before they arrived here.
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After days of blaming Democrats for the separation of families accused of crossing the U.S. border illegally, President Trump has reversed course, signing an executive order to end the practice. For days, Trump's fellow Republicans in Congress have said he could erase the practice — one put in place under his presidency — with a wave of the hand. Many of them publicly called upon him to do so. The Trump administration claimed it was a matter of law that only Congress could change. They lied. Again. Just one more example of why Trump and his minions should not be believed.
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I saw a report on the news. Doctor said the toddlers aged 1-3 were properly cared for but eerily silent, neither crying nor laughing.

The Left tries to blame this on the Trump administration. I blame it on those who dumped these kids at the border. Who would do that to children? They were all traumatized long before they arrived here.
Which is why I don't this the kids are the main issue. The main issue is immigration policy. You cannot possibly let everyone in that wants in, if you have a 10 year waiting list you can't possibly expect someone seeking asylum to wait 10 years. Therefore you have to have something in place so that all asylum seekers can arrive at a safe place without actually entering the country until we prove the claim -- i.e. the refuge city.
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They were all traumatized long before they arrived here.
They left because they were being traumatized. All the more reason to give them asylum. It's the Jesus kinda Christian thing to do.
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They left because they were being traumatized. All the more reason to give them asylum. It's the Jesus kinda Christian thing to do.
How do you know these kids left because they were traumatized? All you know is what some lying liberal media type told you. Did you ever study this before? Learn what past policies were?

Since Hollywood stars are screaming out, I think the best policy is to do just the opposite of what they are telling us to do. We got actors threatening the life of Trump and his family-- so we should lock them up, and believe nothing they tell us.

So now you are deciding what is the Jesus kinda Christian things to do? How would you know since you don't believe the Bible is at all reliable?
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How do you know these kids left because they were traumatized?
They didn't just leave their home to take a stroll to America. And what's wrong with them anyway?
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They didn't just leave their home to take a stroll to America. And what's wrong with them anyway?
Wasn't it the Eagles who said "we have got to make it here, there is no new frontier"?

At some point the solution is no longer to migrate, but rather to fix your own country.
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Wasn't it the Eagles who said "we have got to make it here, there is no new frontier"?

At some point the solution is no longer to migrate, but rather to fix your own country.
Yeah! From I've heard all those children are genius actors. So they certainly have the smarts to fix their government and society, and have military weapons.
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How do you know these kids left because they were traumatized? All you know is what some lying liberal media type told you. Did you ever study this before? Learn what past policies were?

Since Hollywood stars are screaming out, I think the best policy is to do just the opposite of what they are telling us to do. We got actors threatening the life of Trump and his family-- so we should lock them up, and believe nothing they tell us.

So now you are deciding what is the Jesus kinda Christian things to do? How would you know since you don't believe the Bible is at all reliable?
Do you mean "Hollywood stars" like Reagan and Trump? Shouldn't we make them presidents? What about Tom Hanks? Samuel L. Jackson? Scarlett Johansson?
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Do you mean "Hollywood stars" like Reagan and Trump? Shouldn't we make them presidents? What about Tom Hanks? Samuel L. Jackson? Scarlett Johansson?
Anyone can run. See what ideas they got. This is America. Arnold was Governor, wasn't he?

So shameful that you cover up the pathetic threats of Peter Fonda, DiNero, Depp, Griffin, Schumer, Fallon, etc. But I expect you to protect your "idols."
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They didn't just leave their home to take a stroll to America. And what's wrong with them anyway?

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Anyone can run. See what ideas they got. This is America. Arnold was Governor, wasn't he?

So shameful that you cover up the pathetic threats of Peter Fonda, DiNero, Depp, Griffin, Schumer, Fallon, etc. But I expect you to protect your "idols."
I forgot about Schwarzenegger. All the media stars that become presidents or governors claim to be conservatives what's up with that? I heard about De Niro and Griffin. But what did Fonda and Depp and Schumer and Fallon say that you don't like? I have to know so I can cover it up.
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I forgot about Schwarzenegger. All the media stars that become presidents or governors claim to be conservatives what's up with that? I heard about De Niro and Griffin. But what did Fonda and Depp and Schumer and Fallon say that you don't like? I have to know so I can cover it up.
Conveniently forget all the death threats by these jerks? They know what they are doing. They are hoping some crazy attempts to kill Trump, like Reagan. Reagan was a couple miracles away from death.

Neither Reagan or Trump were "stars." Reagan never won an award for acting, rather he was with the Screen Actors Guild fighting Communist infiltration into the movie industry.

Trump never acted. When my son was in Business School, Trump's show was a "must see" every week because it was so informative. Even his professors discussed shows.
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Conveniently forget all the death threats by these jerks? They know what they are doing. They are hoping some crazy attempts to kill Trump, like Reagan. Reagan was a couple miracles away from death.

Neither Reagan or Trump were "stars." Reagan never won an award for acting, rather he was with the Screen Actors Guild fighting Communist infiltration into the movie industry.

Trump never acted. When my son was in Business School, Trump's show was a "must see" every week because it was so informative. Even his professors discussed shows.
Reagan starred in a lot of B movies. Trump was the star of a reality TV show. Are you engaged in a cover-up or are you suffering from amnesia?
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I just finished an extensive course on the Civil War. It struck me at the end that if the South had been able to accurately and precisely calculate the cost of the war they wouldn't have seceded. It seems to me we have the technology to simulate war, and we could use the mathematical skill, formulas and precision of actuaries. Imagine if at some time in the future we simply calculate the cost before going to war. I think if we did that it would be a lot easier to mediate conflicts to avoid war.
That already happens, but politicians prefer their intuition or superstition and thats why such rational approaches rarely are used.
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That already happens, but politicians prefer their intuition or superstition and thats why such rational approaches rarely are used.
Imagine in the future everyone could have access to one of these simulations, like using Madden Football to predict the Super Bowl. Then voters could be educated.
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Even his professors discussed shows.
You mean those demonic liberal professors?
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Like his wife declared on her jacket, the sower of chaos that created this mess doesn't "care". On Wednesday, under pressure from the growing outcry of millions of Americans, President Trump announced an executive order that would end his policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the border. But the Trump administration appears to have no clear plan for reuniting more than 2,300 kids with their families.

The situation is so bad that Trump’s zero tolerance policy could result in the long-term separation of families and that some may never see each other again. Migrants have already been deported from the U.S. without their children. The Trump administration has no system in place to solve a problem of its own making.

Religious groups and leaders called Trump's 'zero tolerance' immigration policy sad, sinful and immoral.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...615-story.html

Meanwhile, 6 months in, GOP tax bill is an "utter flop" for most people outside the richest 1%: http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...-an-utter-flop
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Like his wife declared on her jacket, the sower of chaos that created this mess doesn't "care". On Wednesday, under pressure from the growing outcry of millions of Americans, President Trump announced an executive order that would end his policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the border. But the Trump administration appears to have no clear plan for reuniting more than 2,300 kids with their families.

The situation is so bad that Trump’s zero tolerance policy could result in the long-term separation of families and that some may never see each other again. Migrants have already been deported from the U.S. without their children. The Trump administration has no system in place to solve a problem of its own making.

Religious groups and leaders called Trump's 'zero tolerance' immigration policy sad, sinful and immoral.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...615-story.html

Meanwhile, 6 months in, GOP tax bill is an "utter flop" for most people outside the richest 1%: http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...-an-utter-flop
All these problems came from the Obama Admin, but the Lefties said nothing.

Then one reporter pulled out a 2014 picture, and the rest is history.

Another text book example of Liberal hypocrisy.

You care nothing for these kids -- you only hate Trump!
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Another text book example of Liberal hypocrisy.
Please send. As a mugwump I'm keenly interested in that text book. Kindle version preferred. While you're at it, could you also send the text book on conservative hypocrisy?
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You care nothing for these kids -- you only hate Trump!
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The Department of Justice filed an emergency motion in federal court on Thursday to modify a 1997 settlement that prevents the government from detaining migrant children longer than 20 days. Ending the limitations on the length of time kids can be detained, the administration argues, is the only tenable alternative to splitting up families that are apprehended crossing the border illegally.

Put 'em all in cages, shoot them up with drugs, and keep 'em locked up indefinitely.

They're dangerous. And the wrong color too. In spite of the fact that there's no evidence that crime goes up with immigration ... except in Trumps head.
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The Department of Justice filed an emergency motion in federal court on Thursday to modify a 1997 settlement that prevents the government from detaining migrant children longer than 20 days. Ending the limitations on the length of time kids can be detained, the administration argues, is the only tenable alternative to splitting up families that are apprehended crossing the border illegally.

Put 'em all in cages, shoot them up with drugs, and keep 'em locked up indefinitely.

They're dangerous. And the wrong color too. In spite of the fact that there's no evidence that crime goes up with immigration ... except in Trumps head.
I think you are missing the point of your quote. Someone enters the country illegally. They claim asylum. We have to check this out but that can take much more than 20 days. Since we have a law that we cannot detain children for more than 20 days it is a catch 22. Enter the US with a child, claim asylum, and they will have to free you before they can verify the claim.

I think it is obvious that there is a loophole here that some, if not most of the illegal aliens are going to take advantage of.

1. Claim asylum, you jump to the front of the line, saving 15 years that it can take.
2. Bring a child, they can't detain the child for more than 20 days, and there is no way they can verify your claim in that amount of time.

So since you are obviously a most humane and caring person, what is the solution?
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I think you are missing the point of your quote. Someone enters the country illegally. They claim asylum. We have to check this out but that can take much more than 20 days. Since we have a law that we cannot detain children for more than 20 days it is a catch 22. Enter the US with a child, claim asylum, and they will have to free you before they can verify the claim.

I think it is obvious that there is a loophole here that some, if not most of the illegal aliens are going to take advantage of.

1. Claim asylum, you jump to the front of the line, saving 15 years that it can take.
2. Bring a child, they can't detain the child for more than 20 days, and there is no way they can verify your claim in that amount of time.

So since you are obviously a most humane and caring person, what is the solution?
The solution is more courts to get the job done within 20 days. Trump is against that.

So let 'em out until the court can book it. Why is that a problem? It's the law of the land, that Sessions, and Romans, says we have to keep.
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The solution is more courts to get the job done within 20 days. Trump is against that.

So let 'em out until the court can book it. Why is that a problem? It's the law of the land, that Sessions, and Romans, says we have to keep.
That is absurd. How are you going to "get the job done" in less than 20 days? Woman comes claiming domestic abuse, she'll be killed if she returns to her village. Now we have to send an investigator into some remote village, no one will talk to this investigator. You would need a highly trained team of four or five people for every immigrant claiming asylum, a travel budget and other resources. In Europe that number is approaching 1.5 million a year. If they could process one of these claims every month you would need you would need approximately 600,000 dedicated staff to process this each year. The cost could easily and reasonably exceed $60 billion per year.

I don't have that money, but if you are donating it then I agree with you that this is not much of a problem, I'm sure we could find people willing to do this work if you paid them adequately. I think this is mighty generous of you, it is wonderful you are willing to put your money where your mouth is.

I think you can understand why people who are not going to be able to collect Social Security after paying into it their whole life would be upset sending $60 billion a year for this instead of paying them. Simply explain to them that this is not the case, Awareness is going to donate the money, so no one has to take it from your retirement.
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I expect it from the Democrats and the liberal media, but who would guess that decent A-list movie and pop stars like J-Lo would purposely deceive us. She couldn't even do a decent cut-n-paste hack job.

Jennifer Lopez Spreads Hoax Photographs About Border Separation
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Using her Instagram account, Jennifer Lopez published the photograph of a crying child, a photograph that we now know is fake news, a photo that had nothing to do with the separation of children from adults who commit the crime of entering our country illegally. Lopez is basically doing what our irresponsible, anti-Trump establishment media is doing: endlessly broadcasting a hoax.
Fake news has become a Pandemic Progressive Plague.

Is there any cure? We need a vaccination immediately!

How about a little HONESTY to go along with her fake "hope, faith, and love?"
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I have been talking about the DEEP STATE Coup handily dismissed by all of you, and things have been slowly happening. S.C. Muller's investigation is dying, with Michael Flynn's "conviction" about to be tossed out, along with the forgotten "Russian collusion" and the phony "Obstruction of Justice" charges. The house of cards is beginning to fall.

Take a look at what is happening to Obama's FBI, stacked with political operatives. Notice that Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bill Priestap have become "cooperating witnesses." James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Jim Rybecki, and James Baker have long been fired, and will soon face indictments.


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I expect it from the Democrats and the liberal media, but who would guess that decent A-list movie and pop stars like J-Lo would purposely deceive us. She couldn't even do a decent cut-n-paste hack job.

Jennifer Lopez Spreads Hoax Photographs About Border Separation
Fake news has become a Pandemic Progressive Plague.

Is there any cure? We need a vaccination immediately!

How about a little HONESTY to go along with her fake "hope, faith, and love?"
I would agree with you that the dishonesty and lies with the very clear motive of trying to provoke people to anger is far more damaging.

If someone really cared about the situation they would be focused on a clear, accurate and honest account.
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Joe Scarborough (Republican) didn’t mince words Friday morning: He called Donald Trump “openly racist” and said that, by extension, so are his supporters.

“You’ve got Charlottesville, where Donald Trump of course defended white supremacists with moral equivalency,” Scarborough said. “Even this year, Donald Trump calling Hispanics ‘breeders.’ Just last week, saying that immigrants coming across the border were, quote, ‘infesting America,’ and no, he wasn’t talking about gang members.”

Scarborough then told Trump supporters they are just as bad as the president regarding racial issues.

“[Trump supporters] cannot say, ’Oh, I’m just supporting him because he’s giving them hell in Washington, D.C.,” Scarborough said. “No, he’s been openly racist, just like we said back in December of 2015, openly racist. If you support him, then you’re supporting that, and you are that. It’s that simple. That’s what we’ve come to now.”
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Joe Scarborough (Republican) didn’t mince words Friday morning: He called Donald Trump “openly racist” and said that, by extension, so are his supporters.

“You’ve got Charlottesville, where Donald Trump of course defended white supremacists with moral equivalency,” Scarborough said. “Even this year, Donald Trump calling Hispanics ‘breeders.’ Just last week, saying that immigrants coming across the border were, quote, ‘infesting America,’ and no, he wasn’t talking about gang members.”

Scarborough then told Trump supporters they are just as bad as the president regarding racial issues.

“[Trump supporters] cannot say, ’Oh, I’m just supporting him because he’s giving them hell in Washington, D.C.,” Scarborough said. “No, he’s been openly racist, just like we said back in December of 2015, openly racist. If you support him, then you’re supporting that, and you are that. It’s that simple. That’s what we’ve come to now.”
Wow, is that how it works? JFK was openly Catholic, does that mean everyone who supported him was Catholic? Greg Lougannis was openly gay, does that mean everyone who cheered for him was gay? Mohammed Ali was a draft dodger. Does that mean everyone who supported him was a draft dodger? Thanks, I didn't know why I never listened to Scarborough before, now I do.

Reminds me of Hillary Clinton who said that his supporters were deplorable. Makes you wonder why she lost the election.
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Wow, is that how it works? JFK was openly Catholic, does that mean everyone who supported him was Catholic? Greg Lougannis was openly gay, does that mean everyone who cheered for him was gay? Mohammed Ali was a draft dodger. Does that mean everyone who supported him was a draft dodger? Thanks, I didn't know why I never listened to Scarborough before, now I do.

Reminds me of Hillary Clinton who said that his supporters were deplorable. Makes you wonder why she lost the election.
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Joe Scarborough (Republican) didn’t mince words Friday morning: He called Donald Trump “openly racist” and said that, by extension, so are his supporters.

“You’ve got Charlottesville, where Donald Trump of course defended white supremacists with moral equivalency,” Scarborough said. “Even this year, Donald Trump calling Hispanics ‘breeders.’ Just last week, saying that immigrants coming across the border were, quote, ‘infesting America,’ and no, he wasn’t talking about gang members.”
Scarborough, who was once a Republican Rep, is as liberal as they come today. Rarely meet a TV personality so openly biased, hateful, and racist. He has totally reinvented himself as the morning darling of liberals. He makes a lot of money bashing Trump.

With all the other Liberals, Joe S. is so dishonest about Charlottesville. Trump never supported white supremacists. Trying to diffuse the situation, he said there are "good people on both sides." Looking at the ANTIFA thugs, I thought Trump was being a little generous. Obviously both sides were looking for a fight, but I saw kids on both sides, and assumed, like Trump, that some of them were "good people."

Today the Left has little decency left. There is no one to hold them accountable, other than their viewers' ratings. The fear of God is gone for most atheists. They all can get away with the most defiling vulgarities and false accusations. Right on TV.

I fear more will get killed. The leftist media is stoking their fringes into a frenzy fire. We already got politicians (Scalise and Paul) attacked by rabid liberals. We got police attacked regularly. It's a good thing most Liberals do not exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
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