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[Cal]

E44 - Five New Articles on shepherdingwords.com - "The Lord's Recovery" Movement of Witness Lee

Examining more misleading information put out by "the co-workers in 'the Lords's Recovery' in North America."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rGpWkEJrzY

[Cal]

E45 - Looking at Minoru Chen's Messages to Sisters

Some commentary on messages regarding the role of women in "the Lord's Recovery."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpxRTNlTCHE

[Cal]

E46 - A Look at the Netflix Documentary "Cults Explained "

Commentary on the well-done Netflix "Cults, Explained' documentary.

Episode video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nqx3SDecWo

Documentary video here: http://bit.ly/CultsExplained

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Cal

E45 - Looking at Minoru Chen's Messages to Sisters

Some commentary on messages regarding the role of women in "the Lord's Recovery."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpxRTNlTCHE

https://youtu.be/SdXXUIvhP30

Hi Cal, just wanted to share this perspective from ones discussing the last few minutes of Minorus message to the sisters. I think you said you didn't listen to the whole thing? I didn't either, but this member (members?) found some cause for concern.

It just seems like the culture of silence Minoru is promoting amongst the sisters speaks in defiance of Gods' word....in the council of many is safety.....

[aron]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

It just seems like the culture of silence Minoru is promoting amongst the sisters speaks in defiance of Gods' word....in the council of many is safety.....

We're still waiting for the culture of silence to be broken.

MC: "And now we'll address any questions or issues you may have."

Sister X: ""I'm wondering when I can have my book published by LSM, to take its place besides the one by Mary McDonough. Why is LSM selling her book online, and not mine?"
MC: "I'm sorry, my dear sisters, but the door for revelation to sisters is now closed. Once Brother Nee put quill to parchment, that age ended, and a new age began. But don't worry, there's a place for you today, in the children's meetings."

Sister Y: "Brother Minoru, we can see in ministry literature that sisters once held responsible positions next to Lee and Nee. In writing on the resumption of Watchman Nee's ministry, for example, WL said that only two sisters sat up front with him as Nee talked, while the rest of the congregation was seated apart. So what happened to the role of women in the church?"
MC: "Again, my dear sisters, you have to understand that the age changed. Today, your responsibility is to be docile and listen to my patronizing lectures."

Sister Z: "Did anyone ever tell you that you're full of baloney?"

The counsel of many will be restored, as is stated in Proverbs. In many counselors, battles are one, and safety is secured. May the Lord grant all of us courage to seek this, and to speak out our counsel, and not give up. Minoru's a Christian confessor, yet at present he seems willing to live with such glaring contradictions (among many), and then becomes a tool of oppression and control.

In the church, it's the age of Jesus Christ, not the age of spiritual giants nor the age of small potatoes. Each one has a voice in the common counsel, and none should be denied. There's no male or female, young or old, slave or free man, Jew or Greek. rich or poor. If LSM Blendeds won't step up and lead believers into this, someone else will. A new day has dawned, the saints are going on.

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by aron

We're still waiting for the culture of silence to be broken.

MC: "And now we'll address any questions or issues you may have."

Sister X: ""I'm wondering when I can have my book published by LSM, to take its place besides the one by Mary McDonough. Why is LSM selling her book online, and not mine?"
MC: "I'm sorry, my dear sisters, but the door for revelation to sisters is now closed. Once Brother Nee put quill to parchment, that age ended, and a new age began. But don't worry, there's a place for you today, in the children's meetings."

Sister Y: "Brother Minoru, we can see in ministry literature that sisters once held responsible positions next to Lee and Nee. In writing on the resumption of Watchman Nee's ministry, for example, WL said that only two sisters sat up front with him as Nee talked, while the rest of the congregation was seated apart. So what happened to the role of women in the church?"
MC: "Again, my dear sisters, you have to understand that the age changed. Today, your responsibility is to be docile and listen to my patronizing lectures."

Sister Z: "Did anyone ever tell you that you're full of baloney?"

The counsel of many will be restored, as is stated in Proverbs. In many counselors, battles are one, and safety is secured. May the Lord grant all of us courage to seek this, and to speak out our counsel, and not give up. Minoru's a Christian confessor, yet at present he seems willing to live with such glaring contradictions (among many), and then becomes a tool of oppression and control.

In the church, it's the age of Jesus Christ, not the age of spiritual giants nor the age of small potatoes. Each one has a voice in the common counsel, and none should be denied. There's no male or female, young or old, slave or free man, Jew or Greek. rich or poor. If LSM Blendeds won't step up and lead believers into this, someone else will. A new day has dawned, the saints are going on.

Amen to moving on with Jesus, and away from this insidious LC imbalance. The Lord is awesome and I love witnessing the portion He gave to each member, both brothers and sisters. Balance is the word used and recognized in many Christian voices and perspectives, and it is the balance I so appreciate. Imbalance seems to be the fruit of believing your own little group has the only authentic view/speaking from God/practices.....

This morning I can't stop thinking how balanced everything will be when we are in His presence in heaven. He will restore it. Just as He will restore our souls!

[Cal]

E47 - Women in God's Kingdom - The Original Intent

A look at God's original intent for men and women, and how the improvements in the world's culture just might be the work of God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcto5MmhvMM

[Cal]

E48 - Wrapping Things Up

A summary of what I've spoken before. In a glide path to 50 episodes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDIcNkeMP7U

[Cal]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

https://youtu.be/SdXXUIvhP30

Hi Cal, just wanted to share this perspective from ones discussing the last few minutes of Minorus message to the sisters. I think you said you didn't listen to the whole thing? I didn't either, but this member (members?) found some cause for concern.

It just seems like the culture of silence Minoru is promoting amongst the sisters speaks in defiance of Gods' word....in the council of many is safety.....

I took down that message after realizing it gave people an impression I didn't mean to give.

[Cal]

E45 - Looking at Minoru Chen's Messages to Sisters

Some second thoughts on this sensitive subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyP4PW0t90

[Cal]

E45 - Looking at Minoru Chen's Messages to Sisters

Some second thoughts on this sensitive subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyP4PW0t90

[byHismercy]

The only portion of the sisters message I listened to was that final 9 minutes in the link I posted. Minorus' message was very clear. When women speak, it is gossip. It saddens me to know this is the double speak all those sisters are receiving as 'coming from God' or 'a word from God'. I know that is what I used to think about the messages coming from the LC elder brothers.

Again, this conflicts with Gods will for us, coming together in 2s or 3s, in fellowship, in prayer. I don't know how that can happen if women are being indoctrinated that their interpersonal communication and sharing is nothing but gossip and should be avoided. Let me say here, I agree with God, gossip is not for believers. However, to proclaim this from the pulpit, and the weight this gives the leadership, is so wrong. The Lord Spirit is capable of leading our communications in holiness, and we can also know His voice.

Thanks for looking at it again, Cal. I probably don't know enough about this matter to comment either. But then again, I can't stomach listening to this 'ministry' anymore.

[byHismercy]

The only portion of the sisters message I listened to was that final 9 minutes in the link I posted. Minorus' message was very clear. When women speak, it is gossip. It saddens me to know this is the double speak all those sisters are receiving as 'coming from God' or 'a word from God'. I know that is what I used to think about the messages coming from the LC elder brothers.

Again, this conflicts with Gods will for us, coming together in 2s or 3s, in fellowship, in prayer. I don't know how that can happen if women are being indoctrinated that their interpersonal communication and sharing is nothing but gossip and should be avoided. Let me say here, I agree with God, gossip is not for believers. However, to proclaim this from the pulpit, and the weight this gives the leadership, is so wrong. The Lord Spirit is capable of leading our communications in holiness, and we can also know His voice.

Thanks for looking at it again, Cal. I probably don't know enough about this matter to comment either. But then again, I can't stomach listening to this 'ministry' anymore.