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Old 09-26-2019, 08:37 PM   #1
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The matter of COVERING in LSM churches

Sheeple 1: son, MOTA taught us that we should cover our spiritual father when he is drunken with wine and naked.

Sheeple 2: father, I hear the top sheeeps sounding an urgent message to me. Their words say "We are your fathers, we looove YOU, WE COVERRR!!! YOU."

Sheeple 2: how many fathers do I have? Why are they covering me?

Sheeple 1: so that you don't see them naked. The LSM covering is so versatile they can cover you so that you are covering them. Heed their message, lest they cover the DNA father away from the DNA son.

LSM brand covering, versatility to impress.
Ooops. Oppress.
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Old 09-27-2019, 01:14 AM   #2
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LSM vision of God created man

Sheeple27 : Wao! I've never seen it this way.

Sheeple4 : what?

Sheeple27 : RK in 2018 conference said: the verb 'form' as in Genesis God formed man is 'a potter making a vessel'. He said look into a full length mirror and admit it, everyone of us looks like a bottle. He said man is a bottle with an opening at the top!

Sheeple4: Ah ha! But wait ... let me think about it...why is RK a bottle with an opening at the top as well as with an opening at the bottom? Is it because only he has authority to go to toilet?

correction: authority should be 'delegated authority'.
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correction: authority should be 'delegated authority'.
I thought about this. "Deputy authority" should be, at best, "delegated authority."

So why don't they use the correct phrase? Because "deputy" sounds more impressive. It makes the "authorities" seem more like big shots. And the LR leaders looove to be big shots.

Here's a Blended Brother unleashing his awesome deputy authority. But sure to tremble as he speaks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1bOo9LsfXY

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Listening to RK speaking, he only hinted he and top blendeds are 'delegated authority'. Deputy Authority is still WL.
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Cal - He's got the right haircut. Does Barney also have an elder bag!?

And does this remind you of any one?: Barney recits the Preamble to US Constitution
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Old 09-28-2019, 08:42 PM   #6
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There is a website "https://shepherdingwords.com/"

Top Sheeeps: Let’s have a genuine fellowship to quash your concerns over the alleged abuse of authority.

Top Sheeeps: Spiritual Authority, a book translated and published by Stephen Kaung, became popular among Western believers in the early 1970s. Since then it has been misused by some to assert themselves as authorities and criticized by others who blame it for such abuse. Both the misuse and the criticism miss the mark.

sheeples: We don’t know this book that was published in the early 70s. Some of us are not even born yet. We were told to only read LSM published books. We know only ONE publication and our elders have signed us off to be life-long customers of this one publication goods.

sheeples: We are concerned that there is abuse of power of authority in our congregation.

Top Sheeeps: This mess of some having misused Kaung’s book to assert themselves as authorities and others have criticised them, blaming the book for such abuse, is ALL there is concerning the abuse of authority.

Top Sheeeps: Both the misuse and the criticism miss the mark. After the break we’ll tell you about missing the mark.

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Thanks A2Z, it now makes so much sense.
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Someone on this forum once posted something Stepehen Kaung said about the church in New York.
How to find this information?
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Someone on this forum once posted something Stepehen Kaung said about the church in New York.
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Steve Isitt has written and compiled many articles on LC history.

Here is one paper that addresses Stephen Kaung.
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Steve Isitt has written and compiled many articles on LC history.

Here is one paper that addresses Stephen Kaung.
Isn't Stephen Kaung Lee lite? Minus the ground. Lee went with dirt, and Kaung went with Sparks : the ground is Christ. But otherwise, both are Nee copycats?

Either way, it's Neeism, or Nee worship ... as in : Only ... Nee was the only and real minister of this age. They all push Christ to do it.

Still, Kaung is better than Lee. Kaung is humble (not I but Christ) ... and Lee? Well read the 1988 conference thread. Plus, he's joined the maggots.

Isa_14:11 Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers.

And Nee? Wasn't he worse than King David, in his private life? and more like Solomon ... or was that Lee's sons? Also Neeites ... but the private Nee ... that all the Lee's knew about ; the great Lee Nee cover up.

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And Nee? Wasn't he worse than King David, in his private life?
Yes, but God said several times that David didn't sin - because he was faithful to the Lord and didn't pursue idols!
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Yes, but God said several times that David didn't sin - because he was faithful to the Lord and didn't pursue idols!
But David still had to pay the price : lost a son, daughter Tamar raped, the sword would never leave his house, and, "Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.'"-2 Samuel 12:10-12

And Nee went to prison.
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I thought about this. "Deputy authority" should be, at best, "delegated authority."

So why don't they use the correct phrase? Because "deputy" sounds more impressive. It makes the "authorities" seem more like big shots. And the LR leaders looove to be big shots.

Here's a Blended Brother unleashing his awesome deputy authority. But sure to tremble as he speaks!
The original Chinese word is 代表权威, which literal translation is "delegated authority". I guess the guy who translated Watchman Nee's works mis-translated this Chinese word into "deputy authority", resulting in confusion.


Um...wait... he would have been correct... in his foresight...
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The original Chinese word is 代表权威, which literal translation is "delegated authority". I guess the guy who translated Watchman Nee's works mis-translated this Chinese word into "deputy authority", resulting in confusion.


Um...wait... he would have been correct... in his foresight...
Delegated or deputy, both end in authority. The doctrine, no matter how framed, gave God's authority to a man ... in this case Lee, and previously, to Nee ... and now, I guess, to the Blended's.
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Cal - He's got the right haircut. Does Barney also have an elder bag!?

And does this remind you of any one?: Barney recits the Preamble to US Constitution
Yes, our deputy authority has one of the old model ''elder bags.'' I think that LSM bookstores used to sell that one as ''the John Engles bag.'' They dropped that name, for some reason.
The last time I went to an LC meeting, a lot of people had back packs. It kind of seems like the old elder bags are no longer ''in.''
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Yes, our deputy authority has one of the old model ''elder bags.'' I think that LSM bookstores used to sell that one as ''the John Engles bag.'' They dropped that name, for some reason.
The last time I went to an LC meeting, a lot of people had back packs. It kind of seems like the old elder bags are no longer ''in.''
So does that mean wing-tips are out too?
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Back in the 70s, it was "white shirt, skinny tie, briefcase, and wingtip shoes."
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Back in the 70s, it was "white shirt, skinny tie, briefcase, and wingtip shoes."
And it fit the IBM dress code, except skinny tie was considered outdated. And other field tech's made fun of it when we met for lunch, or breakfast.
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And it fit the IBM dress code, except skinny tie was considered outdated. And other field tech's made fun of it when we met for lunch, or breakfast.
Even without the LC, Christianity has often managed to be out-of-sync with the society around it. Now I realize that we are not to be part of the world, but to the extent that it is not a truly spiritual issue, we have tended to stay a generation behind. Preach against whatever is modern, then adopt it once it is yesterday’s news.

And the elder/leading one’s attire was a pretty good example of just that. Trying to be different just because it seems spiritual.
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Back in the 70s, it was "white shirt, skinny tie, briefcase, and wingtip shoes."
Are you sure they weren't MIB (Men in Black)?
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Even without the LC, Christianity has often managed to be out-of-sync with the society around it. Now I realize that we are not to be part of the world, but to the extent that it is not a truly spiritual issue, we have tended to stay a generation behind. Preach against whatever is modern, then adopt it once it is yesterday’s news.
This is true for the Southern Baptist Convention, concerning blacks and women, and the Mormon church as well.

And I think the RCC is about to keep up with LGBTQ, by allowing gay priests that aren't pedophiles. But still holding to celibacy, infallibility of the pope, and transubstantiation.
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I wasn't sure where to post this commentary noted on the right side of the forum so I picked this one.

From Watchman Nee:
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Many Christians do not overcome because they have not failed enough. Many Christians have not committed enough sins yet. Therefore, they have not overcome. If they committed more sins, it would be easier for them to overcome. If they saw the corruption of the flesh, it would be easier for them to overcome.------->The Overcoming Life
Many Christians do not overcome because they have not failed enough.???? Many Christians have not committed enough sins yet.????

Well. That explains how they 'justified' their sins of fornication, adultery, their hypocracy (especially Lee's)
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I wasn't sure where to post this commentary noted on the right side of the forum so I picked this one.

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Many Christians do not overcome because they have not failed enough.???? Many Christians have not committed enough sins yet.????
I suppose that's why Nee was racking up sins in his private life. To be an overcomer.
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Cont. from post #6
There is a website "https://shepherdingwords.com/"

Top Sheeeps: Living Stream Ministry translated messages given by Watchman Nee and published in English under the title ‘Authority and Submission’.

Top Sheeeps: This title reflects the book’s dual emphasis. Authority is first. Submission is second.

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Top Sheeeps: Kaung’s book ‘Spiritual Authority’ missed the mark. He only has ‘authority’ but no ‘submission’!

sheeples: We are not talking about people that we don’t know at all. It is not about book titles. Abuses in our LSM local churches make us question the MOTA high peak ‘revelations’.

Top Sheeeps: But YES! This is exactly the answer to your questions! You don’t know them but we are telling you they are the ones to blame. Don’t ever think that we have abused authority. We have the mark. We have SUBMISSION! They missed the mark.

Top Sheeeps: We are the God-d-dained authority, we first, then secondly is you. We do not miss the mark because we've put you right on the mark of submission. Look at yourselves. What a beautiful sight!

Top Sheeeps: YOU are the submission! By your submission to us, you are proof that there is no abuse of authority in our unique body. You are put right on the mark! If you miss the mark of submission, you abused authority. We’ll call on a hole to open up and swallow you …

sheeples: … eh? …. what is what co-workers of North America said of what BBs said of what MOTA said of what WN said of ....

sheeples: what does Jesus say?

sheeples: God in these last days spoke to us by his Son


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For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
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Many Christians do not overcome because they have not failed enough.???? Many Christians have not committed enough sins yet.????

Well. That explains how they 'justified' their sins of fornication, adultery, their hypocrisy (especially Lee's)
Yes, I saw that too and wondered if there shouldn't be some commentary! Paul asks the question in Romans 6:1 - "Should we sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who have died to sin continue to live in it?"

But to be fair, what was Nee's intention in saying this? Let me take a stab at it. The flesh will always be the flesh and will not get any better, and God has left us with it for a purpose. But, even after all these years, we still try to do things out of the flesh. Why? Because perhaps we haven't fully seen the complete futility of our flesh and how bad it really is! In my two weekly men's fellowships we have a lot of discussion about the flesh, and recently we've had talk about how our flesh actually seems to be getting worse. This thought seems to have backing in scripture as Ephesians 4:22 says the flesh is being corrupted. But until we realize that the flesh is really evil and against God, we might not be as motivated to walk in spirit. (or, some might say that as we go on we just see the sinfulness of the flesh more clearly . . .)

We know that God often has to bring us to the very bottom, usually with much failure, before we can surrender and give ourselves fully to him. Is this what Nee is trying to say?
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The flesh will always be the flesh and will not get any better, and God has left us with it for a purpose. But, even after all these years, we still try to do things out of the flesh. Why? Because perhaps we haven't fully seen the complete futility of our flesh and how bad it really is!
The flesh is our biggest problem. It places undeniable demands on us all day long, and even into the night. Just feeding and hydrating the flesh is a constant concern. I hate the flesh, with all it's demands, but that doesn't stop me taking care of all the demands of the flesh all the time.

Is it any wonder that we hate the flesh?
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The flesh is our biggest problem. It places undeniable demands on us all day long, and even into the night. Just feeding and hydrating the flesh is a constant concern. I hate the flesh, with all it's demands, but that doesn't stop me taking care of all the demands of the flesh all the time.

Is it any wonder that we hate the flesh?
I mentioned that we've had a good deal of discussion around the flesh in my men's fellowships. Last week someone shared this thought (they said it had been around awhile): "When I'm going up to meet the Lord and my flesh is falling away . . . as it sinks out of sight I will speak to it and say, 'Thanks for escorting me to Christ all these years!'" So maybe we can say it's kind of a love/hate thing we have with the flesh!
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Yes, I saw that too and wondered if there shouldn't be some commentary! Paul asks the question in Romans 6:1 - "Should we sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who have died to sin continue to live in it?"

But to be fair, what was Nee's intention in saying this?
We know that God often has to bring us to the very bottom, usually with much failure, before we can surrender and give ourselves fully to him. Is this what Nee is trying to say?
I thought of Romans 6 too. I also wonder if there was more to this commentary by Nee but was cut short...perhaps I jumped the gun. However, Nee and Lee's spiritual reputation has become very questionable in recent years..especially Lee's.

What I know and have experienced myself is if we continuously sin, knowingly or not and we are GOD'S, we will hit rock bottom. But through the Mercy and Grace of God, He will shine shine His Light on our darkness, we will repent, we will completely surrender and give ourselves fully to Christ and seek Him deeply until God calls us home.

In addition to our confession, He restores our inner peace and gives Joy unspeakable. HE HEALS our spiritual and emotional wounds. He is faithful to supply all our earthly needs. He makes all things new. He will never leave us or forsake us. He renews our mind in Christ Jesus. He transforms us. He sanctifies us. His Goodness and Mercy follows us all the days of our lives.

And if continuously grab hold and apply His Cleansing Blood, Jesus will keep us from sinning. He will protect us from the evil one. He will strengthen our spirit and soul..even our mortal body although this one seems to be more slow going. {sigh}

THIS IS A FACT! God keeps His Word.
Glory to His Holy and Blessed Name.
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So does that mean wing-tips are out too?
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Wing tips are NEVER out!
Hey, I have a pair of smooth cordoba ones that I wear whenever I want to look conservative chic (at least in my own mind . . .)!
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Wing tips are NEVER out!
I know. That's what Jesus wore.
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