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Old 08-18-2011, 02:22 PM   #1
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I stumbled on a site the other day www.jesuslifetogether.com/. At a glance it looked and sounded pretty good. After doing a little more digging I found that this site is operated by a goup that calls themselves "The Church in Indianapolis", their leader is a man named Mike Peters. Although I don't see any direct connection to Witness Lee, I do see some eerie paralells with this group and the groups associated w/ Lee, e.g., ground of locality doctrine, pecking order, charismatic leader (apostle), booklets, and a host of damaged, disenfranchised ex-members. So, I was wondering if anyone had any added insight on this group?
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:27 PM   #2
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Yes, I am familiar with them. Ran into them a number of times over the years. Your initial concern is spot-on. Things you'll find there: the superiority of their group's revelation, condemnation of fallen Christianity (that means whoever is not among them), lots of unwritten rules, "organic" style talk, a clear clear clear leader, and last but not least, people who have gotten out of it and are glad to have done so.

Makes you wonder why we can't just believe in an awesome Jesus and accept being the plain New Testament church, regardless of its size, how it looks, how it conducts its services, etc. People are so bent on having an awesome church blueprint instead, and marginalizing Jesus into a cheerleader for that blueprint.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:13 PM   #3
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People are so bent on having an awesome church blueprint ...and marginalizing Jesus into a cheerleader for that blueprint.
Too true, in my observation and experience. Perhaps the joy of salvation begins to wane, after the first bliss, and we begin to pine for something more.

So we begin to fit Jesus into our plans. My strong sense is that "Christ and the church" is to leave your first love. And certainly "the ministry", "God's recovery", "God's present move", "the Body", etc continue this trend away from the original path.
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:49 PM   #4
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Yes, I am familiar with them. Ran into them a number of times over the years. Your initial concern is spot-on. Things you'll find there: the superiority of their group's revelation, condemnation of fallen Christianity (that means whoever is not among them), lots of unwritten rules, "organic" style talk, a clear clear clear leader, and last but not least, people who have gotten out of it and are glad to have done so.

Makes you wonder why we can't just believe in an awesome Jesus and accept being the plain New Testament church, regardless of its size, how it looks, how it conducts its services, etc. People are so bent on having an awesome church blueprint instead, and marginalizing Jesus into a cheerleader for that blueprint.
Wow! It's amazing how subtle deceit can be. Even the video on the site just seemed wholesome and genuine. Thanks for the heads up, and for saving me from investing anymore time in vetting their material.
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:33 AM   #5
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Dear P.S.,
Thank you for the excerpt. I must say that I also didn’t find anything subtle or deceitful about it. However, one could pull a thousand others like it out of the LSM, Mormon, and Jehovah Witness materials. Excerpts aren’t the issue here. Now, I’ll admit I made my judgements based on some initial “scratch the surface” reading and research but, what I found wasn’t reassuring. So, based on that AND comments found on this forum it would be WISE to ask “ If it looks,walks and quacks like a duck, do you really need to spend more time find out if it’s a duck?”. We all know the answer to that question. You brought out that the “main” difference between LSM and the CII was that they didn’t charge for their material but, would you care to address any of the concerns that I brought up like: their super apostle?, abuse of authority?, use of tier system?, all the damaged ex-members?
As for the litmus test, only the Lord knows. The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt, who can know it?
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Old 09-26-2011, 03:03 PM   #6
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Yes, they get very defensive if you say, sniff, or suspect anything negative. Then they judge YOUR heart. I'm thinking the Priestly Scribe already assumes you won't pass THEIR litmus test. Pretty presumptuous to say that THEIR excerpt is a litmus test for ALL our hearts, making them the judge of us all.

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Old 09-28-2011, 08:59 AM   #7
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btw, having been in the CII group and knowing how they operate, there is MUCH in the above excerpt that IS SUBTLE.

Just in the first few lines alone it's an attempt to make you fearful if you don't allow the leadership to point things out in your life, mostly non-moral things that have nothing to do with scripture, but the bait has already been taken, so the person in bondage and deception, confused and fearful will surrender their entire will to the authority of Mike Peters and his lieutenants.

"And the way satan does stuff…it’s always with mirrors where he tricks, deceives, justifies, and accuses others in order to justify self. And you are very susceptible to that if you don’t live exactly the way Jesus said to live here and embrace Truth the way Jesus said to embrace it..." This quote above is full of subtleties if you are in bondage to their authority. You are fearful of being deceived by Satan if you don't do things the way "Jesus" says. Only the thing is, it's not Jesus, it's the wishes of Mike Peters and those that think like he has trained them to think. Also, many people there are filled with doubts and questions so if you even begin to express them, you are guilty of the other things in the excerpt:

"If there are any “soft” spots in your heart for anything that you are holding onto, that you are lingering in, that you’re justifying yourself in or comparing to others in—then satan will find you out. And the storms will come and they will show what you’re worth. And it will always be “somebody else’s” fault because satan will make sure that you can feel that way about it. He will send you a great number of teachers to tell you what your itching ears want to hear. And, in fact, Paul said that if you don’t love the Truth—if you don’t agape the Truth, but you prefer the other stuff—that God Himself will send you a powerful delusion so that you will believe the lie."

If you know anything about mind control, you will see the subtleties there. It's an attempt to squelch free thinking and any resistance toward the questionable demands made on you.

Can you see it now?
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My son and his family have just severed all ties with us his parents and the rest of our family. He has been a member for several years. I don't know what to do at this point. We may never be able to see our grandchildren again. Does anyone have advice on how to keep in touch with them?
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:28 PM   #9
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My son and his family have just severed all ties with us his parents and the rest of our family. He has been a member for several years. I don't know what to do at this point. We may never be able to see our grandchildren again. Does anyone have advice on how to keep in touch with them?
Having experienced this indirectly. Based on what I witnessed 1993-1996, honor their wishes and pray week after week their hearts would soften. Your son and his family will be the ones wanting to restore a relationship with you. It's nothing you did, but through prayer.
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Old 07-31-2012, 06:36 PM   #10
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This is a question for the unregistered poster.

Are you referring to the group that maintains the website:www.jesuslifetogether.com (as referred to at the beginning of this thread) - or are you referring to "The church in Indianapolis" (The group associated with Witness Lee/Living Stream Ministry http://www.thechurchinindianapolis.org/

I think it is very important to make the distinction.

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Old 08-05-2012, 02:59 PM   #11
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When he started 4 yrs. ago it was with in MI with a subgroup of Mike Peters CII. The material he has given out is published by allathisfeet.com. I thought it was the same organization.
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I was a part of this group some tme ago. Haven't seen my daughter in over 10 years. Wouldn't know my grandchildren if I saw them on the street. Wasn't allowed at their births.

Get no pictures, wasn't told what they were named or boy or girl or any other communication. I was filled with anger then hurt then realized that this is how it will be. Had to put it aside for my own mental health and the sake of MY own soul. There are mothers, fathers and grandparents that have passed and never got to see their children or grandchildren. Until these people see this for what it really is you will probably never see your family member again. The last time I talked to my daughter it was like talking to a robot. No emotions, just yeas and nays. Can't say they aren't a cult but can't say they are. I don't believe that God's intentions are to break up families because he created them. MP apparently has ignored the scripture in Revelations. Whoever adds or takes away from these words. Because he has changed a lot of them.

When I was there I didn't see anyone that appeared happy. No smiles, no laughter. When I looked in peoples eyes I saw fear and suspicion. What a way to live.
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My son and his family have just severed all ties with us his parents and the rest of our family. He has been a member for several years. I don't know what to do at this point. We may never be able to see our grandchildren again. Does anyone have advice on how to keep in touch with them?
My sister and brother have been in this cult for 20 years and NO my mother never saw any of her grandchildren. Worse yet we do not have any pictures either and know nothing about them it is very very sad
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My sister and brother have been in this cult for 20 years and NO my mother never saw any of her grandchildren. Worse yet we do not have any pictures either and know nothing about them it is very very sad
Very sad. But we have a very Understanding GOD. In His time, He will heal what pain the devil caused. I pray it is soon.
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My sister and brother have been in this cult for 20 years and NO my mother never saw any of her grandchildren. Worse yet we do not have any pictures either and know nothing about them it is very very sad
If you want to see your grandkids don't say anything about the LC's -- it will just be interpreted as persecution.
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To the person who posted a couple years back about losing their family member in MI to this group: Yes...the allathisfeet.com people are the same people running the Jesuslifetogether.com site (CII).

I was a member of this mind control cult led by Mike Peters for over 5 years and, as a direct result, cut off all ties with my family and friends. I missed my sister's wedding, my grandparents' funerals, and didn't speak to my own mother as she suffered with cancer. The materials that this group writes and distributes do not appear to be overtly evil at all at first glance. They certainly drew us in wholeheartedly. But, the deeper we went, the more mind control that we experienced. Like the post above references, it's the subtleties that cause the mind control. It is the unspoken rules and the unwritten obligations that lock you down with fear and paranoia. After a year with this group, they had fully established themselves in our lives as the only people we could trust, our only true friends. So, the fear of losing our only friends in the world and the only Christians we could trust began to carry a lot of weight. And they exploit that thoroughly. Members of this cult live in constant fear of being "disfellowshipped." It drives more behavior than you can imagine.

6.5 years ago, we began to question Mike Peters and some of the teachings... We were quickly ostracized from the cult, as we quickly found: questioning Mike Peters is worse than any form of blasphemy, at least to this group.

Getting out was one of the greatest things that's ever happened to us. We found that our supposed relationships with God had been usurped and had turned into a ton of, "I don't know what to think about this topic...let's ask Mike." We have now fully repaired all of the broken relationships that came as a price for following Mike. Looking back, it is almost hard to believe that we got sucked in so thoroughly.

I could go on and on about our experiences with this man and his teachings and how it wrecked our lives for over half a decade...if only it would help even one person not waste another minute with this extremely dangerous and elitist cult.

All the best to you and your family!
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I am a youth Pastor in California. I was given two books by a "family" (not all blood related, but a family in Christ as they say), who attended a service. They feel that the Lord lead them to our church, which is ironic, because they believe that the church (we meet in a building) is to the way Christ intended it to be. They are using one portion of scripture to say that there should be no pastors and no building (which they call organized religion). As a pastor, I would like to believe that the Lord can soften their hearts, but it seems that they have another agenda as they attempt to talk to other people in the church telling them that there is more than the church itself, which we obviously know. I guess, I have major hesitations about them in my spirit, but am trying to figure out how to navigate this situation. I want to handle this situation with great care, as I do not want to harden their hears even more, but also have an urge to protect the flock that God has entrusted me with...Any ideas on how to handle this specific situation?
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I am a youth Pastor in California. I was given two books by a "family" .. who attended a service. They feel that the Lord led them to our church, which is ironic, because they believe that the church (we meet in a building) is [not] the way Christ intended it to be. They are using one portion of scripture to say that there should be no pastors and no building (which they call organized religion).
Not sure what group this is, they may not identify themselves to you. But I can tell you that these kinds of groups love to go at the youth, because the youth are not fully formed intellectually and can be bent by various arguments; also the youth are typically emotionally dependent on the group (i.e. 'peer pressure') and are thus susceptible to external pressure.

So it's not surprising that such ones would come into your flock. I'd not go so far as to say they're "wolves in sheeps clothing" but they're quite probably deluded, and are under a controlling spirit which has no peace, and which wants to dominate the assembly. If you give this spirit an inch it will ask for a mile. Paul said, "With such ones we never gave in, no, not even for a moment" (Gal 2:5).

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As a pastor, I would like to believe that the Lord can soften their hearts, but it seems that they have another agenda as they attempt to talk to other people in the church ...I want to handle this situation with great care, as I do not want to harden their hears even more, but also have an urge to protect the flock that God has entrusted me with...Any ideas on how to handle this specific situation?
Use scripture. You can easily find 10 verses showing that the right spirit in church is peacable, not contentious, not quarrelsome, not passing judgments. All of these lacks are demonstrated by your new visitors. Show them the verses and show them the door. If they want to stay, then tell them clearly what the rule is: Love one another, and no fighting among the flock.

Peace doesn't come when everyone else agrees with your position. Peace comes with the Lord. You already have the Lord, by faith. Don't let them have access to the flock, telling people that peace will come if they submit to them. Peace will never follow such a gospel. Only spiritual ruin.
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:11 PM   #19
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If this is the group that is headed up by Mike Peters...

STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM THEM AND THEIR TEACHINGS AS POSSIBLE. IT IS A CULT!

I know because I was part of the group for almost 30 years, and God, THANKFULLY, finally got my family and I out about 4 years ago.

Please stay away from them. They destroy lives and families. PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THEM!
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