Bible Answer Man Converts to Eastern Orthodox!

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

I don't belong to any group. But even if I did, it wouldn't matter to me.

LC coworkers invested a ton of effort and resource into actively wooing Hanegraaff for years, wining and dining him, jetting him all over the world visiting churches in China, Taiwan, Korea, Europe, and around the US, giving him reserved seating at conferences and trainings (even joining coworkers meetings), instructing members to pray for him and his dwindling radio ministry, coaching him in theosis.

And after all that, Hanegraaff rejects the LC and joins Eastern Orthodoxy. That's embarrassing.

Koinonia,

Have you not read "forsake not the assembling of yourselves together"?

How do you square your not belonging to the apostles exhortation?

Now in regard to the Hankster.... you are assuming that introducing him, Eliott, Getchen, and CRI staff to the local churches was for the purpose of having them join. Not so. As one of the leading christian apologists organizations and one whose voice reaches around the world including to China, where the government uses anything to justify persecution of believers, the objective was due diligence to provide Hank and staff with a first person experience to the practises and teachings in the local churches. He did and the result was the article "We Were Wrong".

I know that irks you but, Hank never said he would join the Lord's Recovery, nor did say he agreed with all the teachings either. What he said was the previous objections were misunderstandings and running a more thorough review including one of the original researchers (Gretchen) they determined they were wrong about the teachings of the local churches CRI previously labeled heretical and the ministry and the teachings do fall within the pale of Christian orthodoxy and the believers should be embraced as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

Fact is, short of Hank joining this forum and engaging in the unbridled attacking of Witness Lee, nothing he would do could ever quench the insatiable appetite for accusing and slandering those believers in the local churches. And of course you justify in your head that attacking the messenger is also fair game. Yet, I don't think Hank really cares what this forum thinks. Rather, your assertions serve one purpose, they simply reinforce the beliefs you already own.

Drake

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Drake

Koinonia,

Have you not read "forsake not the assembling of yourselves together"?

How do you square your not belonging to the apostles exhortation?

I do not forsake assembling together with other believers.

Now in regard to the Hankster.... you are assuming that introducing him, Eliott, Getchen, and CRI staff to the local churches was for the purpose of having them join. Not so. As one of the leading christian apologists organizations and one whose voice reaches around the world including to China, where the government uses anything to justify persecution of believers, the objective was due diligence to provide Hank and staff with a first person experience to the practises and teachings in the local churches. He did and the result was the article "We Were Wrong".

I know that irks you but, Hank never said he would join the Lord's Recovery, nor did say he agreed with all the teachings either. What he said was the previous objections were misunderstandings and running a more thorough review including one of the original researchers (Gretchen) they determined they were wrong about the teachings of the local churches CRI previously labeled heretical and the ministry and the teachings do fall within the pale of Christian orthodoxy and the believers should be embraced as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

Fact is, short of Hank joining this forum and engaging in the unbridled attacking of Witness Lee, nothing he would do could ever quench the insatiable appetite for accusing and slandering those believers in the local churches. And of course you justify in your head that attacking the messenger is also fair game. Yet, I don't think Hank really cares what this forum thinks. Rather, your assertions serve one purpose, they simply reinforce the beliefs you already own.

Drake

Drake, you make a lot of assumptions about me. You do not know anything about me, with whom I meet, or what "irks" me, or what is in my head. With respect, you seem to be completely ignorant of the endless courting and wooing of Hank Hanegraaff by LC coworkers (taking place until very recently). It had nothing to do with "We Were Wrong" because it lasted for years beyond the publication of "We Were Wrong."

And do you actually believe that it is "attacking the messenger" to discuss Hanegraaff's rejecting the LC to join Eastern Orthodoxy? It has always been a tenuous position for the LC to hang so much of their defense before evangelicals on Hanegraaff's position. It is even more tenuous now that Hanegraaff has left evangelicalism to join Eastern Orthodoxy. Does that not cause you to question his credibility as an apologist at all? And how ironic that Hanegraaff credits his joining Eastern Orthodoxy to his contact with the LC (what he terms "the progeny of Watchman Nee").

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

I do not forsake assembling together with other believers.



Drake, you make a lot of assumptions about me. You do not know anything about me, with whom I meet, or what "irks" me, or what is in my head. With respect, you seem to be completely ignorant of the endless courting and wooing of Hank Hanegraaff by LC coworkers (taking place until very recently). It had nothing to do with "We Were Wrong" because it lasted for years beyond the publication of "We Were Wrong."

And do you actually believe that it is "attacking the messenger" to discuss Hanegraaff's rejecting the LC to join Eastern Orthodoxy? It has always been a tenuous position for the LC to hang so much of their defense before evangelicals on Hanegraaff's position. It is even more tenuous now that Hanegraaff has left evangelicalism to join Eastern Orthodoxy. Does that not cause you to question his credibility as an apologist at all? And how ironic that Hanegraaff credits his joining Eastern Orthodoxy to his contact with the LC (what he terms "the progeny of Watchman Nee").

Well Koinonia,

Since you don't belong to any group, apparently you are some sort of free Lancer when it comes to assembling together. As such, why do you really care where Hank settles his roots?

You don't.

Therefore, you are simply using Hank's "conversion" as an occasion to ding the local churches. Else you are just engaging in gossip and being a busybody.

Hank's assessment of the local churches has not changed. He has not rejected the local churches in favor of EOC. You are trying to make it sound as an either or decision or a cause and effect. That is a fake news story.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Well Koinonia,

Since you don't belong to any group, apparently you are some sort of free Lancer when it comes to assembling together. As such, why do you really care where Hank settles his roots?

You don't.

Therefore, you are simply using Hank's "conversion" as an occasion to ding the local churches. Else you are just engaging in gossip and being a busybody.

Hank's assessment of the local churches has not changed. He has not rejected the local churches in favor of EOC. You are trying to make it sound as an either or decision or a cause and effect. That is a fake news story.

Drake

HankyGraft's assessment of LSM's teachings have nothing to do with the Biblical evaluations of a mature Evangelical teacher.

Follow the money Drake!

And now it is you who are "shooting the messenger" because Koinonia is part of the organic body of Christ, and not some organization. Oh the irony! Isn't it great to be a part of LSM? You get to have it both ways. Why? Because Lee did.

The first evangelical "expert" you employed was a vampire expert, the latest one is now with the Eastern Orthodox. Perhaps you should to a better job vetting your "experts."

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

HankyGraft's assessment of LSM's teachings have nothing to do with the Biblical evaluations of a mature Evangelical teacher.

Follow the money Drake!

And now it is you who are "shooting the messenger" because Koinonia is part of the organic body of Christ, and not some organization. Oh the irony! Isn't it great to be a part of LSM? You get to have it both ways. Why? Because Lee did.

The first evangelical "expert" you employed was a vampire expert, the latest one is now with the Eastern Orthodox. Perhaps you should to a better job vetting your "experts."

Not in his capacity as a vampire expert. This vampire expert was an ordained Priest in the Methodist church. They did not seem to have a problem with him. Anyway, vampire experts were reputable members society in the middle ages, even up until the late 1800's. There services were consulted whenever the village or town thought that a vampire might be responsible for sickness or death.