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Old 08-22-2015, 10:19 AM   #1
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verb (used with object), opposed, opposing.


1. to act against or provide resistance to; combat.


2. to stand in the way of; hinder; obstruct.


3. to set as an opponent or adversary.


4. to be hostile or adverse to, as in opinion: to oppose a resolution in a debate.


5. to set as an obstacle or hindrance.


6. to set against in some relation, especially as to demonstrate a comparison or contrast: to oppose advantages to disadvantages.


7. to use or take as being opposite or contrary.
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In the local churches, the term opposer tends to be used as a noun and not a verb. No one ever defines what is being opposed. It's just a blanket name for anyone who exhibits any concerns or criticisms of what LSM leadership is doing.
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Old 08-22-2015, 06:19 PM   #2
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In the 70s , 80s and 90s I often heard the term "opposer" used in the church, but never thought this term would be applied to me. But now for over 12 years it indeed has been applied to me. I had been a simple, soft, compliant individual in the church for most of my 30 years as a member, until God sovereignly arranged circumstances to show me what was going on inside His House, which was somewhat analogous to the hole in the wall of the temple scene found in EZEKIEL.

"He said to me, "Son of man, now dig into the wall." So I dug into the wall and saw a doorway there. And he brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, there was a hole in the wall Ezekiel (8:8) He said to me, "Go in and see the terrible and detestable things they are committing here." Ezekiel 8:9.

And he said unto me, Hast thou seen, son of man, what the elders of the house of Israel do in the dark... (Ez. 8:12) "You shall say to the rebellious ones, to the house of Israel, "Thus says the Lord GOD, 'Enough of all your abominations, O house of Israel.’"
(Ezekiel 44:6).

When I saw such a “scene”, which "opposers" had been aware of already, I learned that they rightfully had risen up in the church to speak as they ought to speak; and to oppose what they ought to oppose. When I brought attention to what their concerns were in the House of God, I too became labeled by our leaders as an "opposer". Their judgment of me instead of the situation I reported only gave me more understanding of the detestable things still unaccounted for in the church today

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Old 08-23-2015, 02:32 PM   #3
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4. to be hostile or adverse to, as in opinion: to oppose a resolution in a debate.
I know there are others such as I was, meeting with the local churches but opposing. What exactly is the opposing that makes them classified as an oppose?
Opposing meeting with the local churches? No. If one opposed meeting with the local churches, they wouldn't be meeting with the local churches in the first place.
Opposing LSM publications? No. If one opposed LSM publications, there's something called free will one my exercise to read or not to read LSM publications.
Perhaps there's something called practices. One may hold an opinion opposing another opinion.
For myself I oppose double standards, lies being passed off as truth, and truth being dismissed as lies or at best, rumors.
Over a seven year period where I met with the church In Bellevue, I was already an oppose by their application of the word oppose several years prior to moving to Washington state. The very moment I read Fermentation of the
Present Rebellion
, I was an opposer. I opposed lies being passed off as truth as was the case in this book. I opposed brothers being misrepresented. Though meeting with the locality, no problem. Reading LSM publications, there was generally no problem.
When it came to meeting with another locality I was asked not to make Steve Isitt an issue. In my thoughts, I just laughed. The entire time I met with Bellevue I never made FOTPR or John Ingalls an issue....
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Old 08-23-2015, 02:54 PM   #4
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When I saw such a “scene”, which "opposers" had been aware of already, I learned that they rightfully had risen up in the church to speak as they ought to speak; and to oppose what they ought to oppose. When I brought attention to what their concerns were in the House of God, I too became labeled by our leaders as an "opposer". Their judgment of me instead of the situation I reported only gave me more understanding of the detestable things still unaccounted for in the church today

www.MakingStraighttheWayoftheLord.com/DeviatingfromthePathintheLordsRecovery.pdf

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Often, speaking up is one of the hardest things for a person to do. It involves a risk, and we now know what a LC member can expect when voicing concerns.

I suppose that many who have spoken up had no idea what kind of trouble they would find themselves in. Members who see what happens to those who express concerns quickly learn to keep quiet. I have come to realize that there is nothing virtuous about "keeping quiet" like we were taught.

In any group, people who are concerned about something should express their concerns. When something needs opposing, then they should oppose. Groupthink is what happens when discourse is discouraged. In the LC, they consider their groupthink to be "oneness". Groupthink accomplishes nothing but to ease the discomfort caused by disagreement. I firmly believe that when Phil 2:2 says to be like-minded, it implies working through concerns and disagreements. Groupthink is a false like-mindedness.
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Old 08-23-2015, 04:31 PM   #5
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In any group, people who are concerned about something should express their concerns. When something needs opposing, then they should oppose. Groupthink is what happens when discourse is discouraged. In the LC, they consider their groupthink to be "oneness". Groupthink accomplishes nothing but to ease the discomfort caused by disagreement. I firmly believe that when Phil 2:2 says to be like-minded, it implies working through concerns and disagreements. Groupthink is a false like-mindedness.
That's because the LC version of Philippians 2.5 goes something like this, "Let this group-thinking be in you which was also in Witness Lee."

Anybody hear about that Witness Lee Tape Recorder Factory for hand-picked "good material" at the FTTA?
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That's because the LC version of Philippians 2.5 goes something like this, "Let this group-thinking be in you which was also in Witness Lee."

Anybody hear about that Witness Lee Tape Recorder Factory for hand-picked "good material" at the FTTA?
Instead of "be imitators of me, as I imitate Christ" it became, "be imitators of me, whether or not I imitate Christ".
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Anybody hear about that Witness Lee Tape Recorder Factory for hand-picked "good material" at the FTTA?
Sadly those I know who have gone through the training became different from the brother before going into the training. A sense of having lost their self-identity.
Becoming void of personal opinion and insight of the Word. Instead their speaking is as "the ministry says .......".
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Sadly those I know who have gone through the training became different from the brother before going into the training. A sense of having lost their self-identity.
Becoming void of personal opinion and insight of the Word. Instead their speaking is as "the ministry says .......".
Another version of "taking their virginity."
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Another version of "taking their virginity."
The image that comes to mind of those coming out of FTTA is a scene from The Wall, faceless and somewhat identical.
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Old 08-29-2015, 11:32 AM   #10
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I am an opposer of the FTTA. I don't say that lightly. At one point in time I wanted to go and I even planned to go. After seeing the negative changes that happened to those I knew who went to the FTTA, I realized that I wanted nothing to do with it.

The Wall is an accurate depiction of what happens to people who attend the FTTA. They lose their personality, they lose their uniqueness. It's really sad. What's the benefit in sacrificing two years of your life just to be able to parrot Lee better than everyone else? What happens when at some point in the future the LC becomes increasingly irrelevant and no one values their FTTA "education"? I hope prospective FTTA attendees would ask themselves these questions.
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