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Old 09-19-2020, 10:23 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Supreme Court Opportunity

With Ginsburg's passing, it looks like we may be in for a another round of polarizing partisanship. Trump is evidently moving forward with a nomination before election and the dem's heads are about to explode. Top GOP people are on the record of being against Obama nominating a Supreme Court nominee during an election year, and here we are 6 weeks away from election. However, rightwing pundits are already saying, "Don't you think the Democrats would be pushing to get their choice on the court if the situation was reversed!?" McConnell has a small majority to do it, but some Republican Senators are saying they won't go for it with only 6 weeks before the election.

This one surely has the potential to be really nasty and divide everyone even more . . .

Here's an idea: What if we just tried to out-nice each other? So what if Trump would come out and say, "There's been enough nastiness in American politics and someone has to take a stand to reverse the course we're on. Therefore I am standing down, and let's let the American voters decide which way they want the court to go in November. Hopefully, this will be a first step back toward civility in politics."? If he did that, he would be taking the long view and probably gain a lot of respect and votes! I suspect some middle of the road voters would be swayed, plus it would galvanize conservative voters (but probably also liberal voters).

However, of course, I think the chances of him doing that are probably slim to none . . .
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Interesting that prominant GOP politicians are being called out for earlier saying that a SCOTUS seat should NOT filled in an election year. McConnel and Graham are both on the record saying this when they held up Obama's nominee for 9 months before the 2016 election. Graham even said that they should bring his own words up to him and he said to call him a hypocrite if he ever went back on this word.

So exactly that is happening now. And all the reasons are bring given, such as the Democrats didn't play fair, etc., so it's only fair . . .

What a cesspool DC has become in the last couple decades! I guess it maybe has been tht for a much longer time, but no one now tries to even hide it. (except to blame the mess on someone else, like Adam is prone to do)

I continue to think the best course of action is for Trump to take the higher road in this, because the Nuclear-Machiavellian option may backfire any way as the GOP having the number of Senate votes appears risky at best. As said in the first post, I think he would gain respect and votes this way, and could then just do the nomination after the November vote.
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Interesting that prominant GOP politicians are being called out for earlier saying that a SCOTUS seat should NOT filled in an election year. McConnel and Graham are both on the record saying this when they held up Obama's nominee for 9 months before the 2016 election. Graham even said that they should bring his own words up to him and he said to call him a hypocrite if he ever went back on this word.

So exactly that is happening now. And all the reasons are bring given, such as the Democrats didn't play fair, etc., so it's only fair . . .

What a cesspool DC has become in the last couple decades! I guess it maybe has been tht for a much longer time, but no one now tries to even hide it. (except to blame the mess on someone else, like Adam is prone to do)

I continue to think the best course of action is for Trump to take the higher road in this, because the Nuclear-Machiavellian option may backfire any way as the GOP having the number of Senate votes appears risky at best. As said in the first post, I think he would gain respect and votes this way, and could then just do the nomination after the November vote.
The Republicans are following the so-called "Biden Rule," as explained by Senator Barrasso:

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“We were following the ‘Joe Biden rule.’ He was chairman of the Judiciary Committee. And he said when there is a Senate of one party and a White House of another” the panel would not consider a high court pick in an election year,” Mr Barrasso claimed.

“He said this to President George Hebert Walker Bush, he said if there is a vacancy in the final year, we will not confirm,” he said of the one-term GOP president. “And that’s what we did with Merrick Garland.”
Pres. Obama nominated Merrick Garland during an election year. That was his duty. Pres. Trump will also nominate a Judge during an election year. That is his duty.

As with Obama's appointee, it is up to the Senate to decide what to do. We watched the smear job they pulled on Kavanaugh. These Democrats are viciously dishonest. Can't blame that on Trump.

This just proves how the Democrats can never be trusted with power. When Pres. Clinton nominated Ruth Bader Ginsberg, where was the outrage? She replaced an excellent Jurist named Byron White. He was one of two to dissent Roe v. Wade. RBG flipped the court, but since conservatives behave themselves, it was a peaceful, though painful, transition. Why won't Democrats do the same?

Or do we now succumb to mob rule?
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The Republicans are following the so-called "Biden Rule," as explained by Senator Barrasso:

Pres. Obama nominated Merrick Garland during an election year. That was his duty. Pres. Trump will also nominate a Judge during an election year. That is his duty.

As with Obama's appointee, it is up to the Senate to decide what to do. We watched the smear job they pulled on Kavanaugh. These Democrats are viciously dishonest. Can't blame that on Trump.

This just proves how the Democrats can never be trusted with power. When Pres. Clinton nominated Ruth Bader Ginsberg, where was the outrage? She replaced an excellent Jurist named Byron White. He was one of two to dissent Roe v. Wade. RBG flipped the court, but since conservatives behave themselves, it was a peaceful, though painful, transition. Why won't Democrats do the same?

Or do we now succumb to mob rule?
By definition, when/if McConnell and Graham go back on what they most adamantly voiced before, they are simply hypocrites. Therefore they'll continue to fit right in, because I estimate there are about 100 hypocrites in the Senate. (i.e., politicians with lips moving, living out the Adamic life)

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He should appoint Ted Cruz. Then the whole senate, both pubbies and demmies, would approve it tomorrow. Just to get Cruz out of the senate.
That's funny - I guess. I don't really know that much about him . . . is Cruz not liked by either side?

So neither of you said what you thought of my idea - of Trump taking the higher road in this possibly no-win situation.
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Genius Trump Nominates Joe Biden To Supreme Court Forcing Dems To Accuse Him Of Sexual Assault
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Trump has announced his pick for Supreme Court justice: Joe Biden. By nominating Biden, Trump has forced the Dems' hands, making them believe the sexual assault claims and allegations of inappropriate, creepy behavior against the former vice president.

The "4D chess" move forced Dems to immediately accuse Joe Biden of sexual assault and reverse their position on the current claims against him. "We now believe Tara Reade," said a somber Kamala Harris, "and we will do everything in our power to destroy this man's life."

In addition to believing current claims against Joe Biden, Democrats also immediately dug up 417 new accusers against Joe Biden. He has been accused of participating in wild frat parties, drunken keggers, and something called the "Devil's Triangle," which Dems say is either a Satanic ritual or code for a sexual practice or "maybe both."

"It's clear this man is dangerous and cannot be trusted," said Nancy Pelosi. "We call on the Senate to turn down his nomination and run him out of public life."

Biden released a statement, saying, "I just want to go home and see my grandkids again." His mic was cut off and he was pulled off the stage with a shepherd's crook.

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Genius Trump Nominates Joe Biden To Supreme Court Forcing Dems To Accuse Him Of Sexual Assault
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Trump has announced his pick for Supreme Court justice: Joe Biden. By nominating Biden, Trump has forced the Dems' hands, making them believe the sexual assault claims and allegations of inappropriate, creepy behavior against the former vice president.

The "4D chess" move forced Dems to immediately accuse Joe Biden of sexual assault and reverse their position on the current claims against him. "We now believe Tara Reade," said a somber Kamala Harris, "and we will do everything in our power to destroy this man's life."

In addition to believing current claims against Joe Biden, Democrats also immediately dug up 417 new accusers against Joe Biden. He has been accused of participating in wild frat parties, drunken keggers, and something called the "Devil's Triangle," which Dems say is either a Satanic ritual or code for a sexual practice or "maybe both."

"It's clear this man is dangerous and cannot be trusted," said Nancy Pelosi. "We call on the Senate to turn down his nomination and run him out of public life."

Biden released a statement, saying, "I just want to go home and see my grandkids again." His mic was cut off and he was pulled off the stage with a shepherd's crook.

Now that's brilliant!

Still waiting on a comment on my opening idea . . .
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Interesting that prominant GOP politicians are being called out for earlier saying that a SCOTUS seat should NOT filled in an election year. McConnel and Graham are both on the record saying this when they held up Obama's nominee for 9 months before the 2016 election. Graham even said that they should bring his own words up to him and he said to call him a hypocrite if he ever went back on this word.

So exactly that is happening now. And all the reasons are bring given, such as the Democrats didn't play fair, etc., so it's only fair . . .

What a cesspool DC has become in the last couple decades! I guess it maybe has been tht for a much longer time, but no one now tries to even hide it. (except to blame the mess on someone else, like Adam is prone to do)

I continue to think the best course of action is for Trump to take the higher road in this, because the Nuclear-Machiavellian option may backfire any way as the GOP having the number of Senate votes appears risky at best. As said in the first post, I think he would gain respect and votes this way, and could then just do the nomination after the November vote.
He should appoint Ted Cruz. Then the whole senate, both pubbies and demmies, would approve it tomorrow. Just to get Cruz out of the senate.
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