The Church in Moses Lake

[Testing123]

The Church in Moses Lake has a new website:

http://www.thechurchinmoseslake.org

The group disassociated with LSM in the 1980s. It appears that the they are now affiliated, to some extent, with Bill Freeman. Material of his can be found at the website, along with other audio messages and writing.

[djohnson]

testing123 do you know why the group in Moses Lake disassociated themselves from the LSM? Was it the same reasons as Europe, etc did in the 1980s?

[Testing123]

Originally Posted by djohnson

testing123 do you know why the group in Moses Lake disassociated themselves from the LSM? Was it the same reasons as Europe, etc did in the 1980s?

djohnson, I am only familiar with the situation through a brother that formerly met there. So, this is what I have been told. As far as I have understood it, the issue in Moses Lake was not specifically about Philip Lee and his improprieties, but more the general problem of "the ministry" (of Witness Lee) beginning to supercede the church and the local aspect of the church. So, I do not believe that Moses Lake was directly related to or influenced by the activity of John Ingalls, John So, etc., but I believe that the changeover was a product of the same era and some similar realizations.

That all said, much of the lingo on the website, and much of the meeting style (as I heard on the audio) is still very "Local Churchy," even after twenty years. Not necessarily a criticism, just an observation.

[Cal]

I tried to listen to one of the messages on their web site. Wow, what a sleeping pill that was. The congregation sounded positively comatose, and the speaker seemed somambulant himself. Those poor people. I can imagine being a young person in one of those meetings thinking "I'd rather eat glass than be here!"

[finallyprettyokay]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I tried to listen to one of the messages on their web site. Wow, what a sleeping pill that was. The congregation sounded positively comatose, and the speaker seemed somambulant himself. Those poor people. I can imagine being a young person in one of those meetings thinking "I'd rather eat glass than be here!"

Ummmm .... there are lots of times I have trouble sleeping.



Maybe this is the answer!

Take two of these, call me in the morning.

I think I'm being a little mean ....

(Igzy was kind, but I am sort of mean. And just after asking for gentleness on another thread. Oh, mixed up finallyprettyokay! ) (It's Romans 6 all over again!)

[Oregon]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I tried to listen to one of the messages on their web site. Wow, what a sleeping pill that was. The congregation sounded positively comatose, and the speaker seemed somambulant himself. Those poor people. I can imagine being a young person in one of those meetings thinking "I'd rather eat glass than be here!"

I think it is very unfair to make a judgement on any situation in a manner like this. Igzy said.."I tried to listen to one of the messages".....and then passes judgement on the ones meeting in Moses Lake by saying "Those poor people".

No one can make a correct judgement on any situation by simply listening to part of a message that was spoken there at some time in the past. I have known many of the ones meeting there since the early 70's and have been fortunate to have attended and participated in many meetings and conferences in Moses Lake over these years. And I can say this.....I would never refer to the ones meeting there as ...."Those poor people".

I can testify that my spirit has been refreshed many times by the fellowship there. They are our dear brothers and sisters and the Spirit of the Lord is with them.

On the Lord's Day meeting all the saints are free to sing, pray, testify or whatever and before the younger ones leave the meeting they are all brought forward and the whole church prays together over them before they leave the main meeting and have their time together.....it's really quite a good thing to get to participate in. It's not at all like "eating glass".

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Oregon

I think it is very unfair to make a judgement on any situation in a manner like this. Igzy said.."I tried to listen to one of the messages".....and then passes judgement on the ones meeting in Moses Lake by saying "Those poor people".

No one can make a correct judgement on any situation by simply listening to part of a message that was spoken there at some time in the past. I have known many of the ones meeting there since the early 70's and have been fortunate to have attended and participated in many meetings and conferences in Moses Lake over these years. And I can say this.....I would never refer to the ones meeting there as ...."Those poor people".

I can testify that my spirit has been refreshed many times by the fellowship there. They are our dear brothers and sisters and the Spirit of the Lord is with them.

On the Lord's Day meeting all the saints are free to sing, pray, testify or whatever and before the younger ones leave the meeting they are all brought forward and the whole church prays together over them before they leave the main meeting and have their time together.....it's really quite a good thing to get to participate in. It's not at all like "eating glass".

Thanks for the positive testimony.

Originally Posted by Oregon

I think it is very unfair to make a judgement on any situation in a manner like this. Igzy said.."I tried to listen to one of the messages".....and then passes judgement on the ones meeting in Moses Lake by saying "Those poor people".

No one can make a correct judgement on any situation by simply listening to part of a message that was spoken there at some time in the past. I have known many of the ones meeting there since the early 70's and have been fortunate to have attended and participated in many meetings and conferences in Moses Lake over these years. And I can say this.....I would never refer to the ones meeting there as ...."Those poor people".

I can testify that my spirit has been refreshed many times by the fellowship there. They are our dear brothers and sisters and the Spirit of the Lord is with them.

On the Lord's Day meeting all the saints are free to sing, pray, testify or whatever and before the younger ones leave the meeting they are all brought forward and the whole church prays together over them before they leave the main meeting and have their time together.....it's really quite a good thing to get to participate in. It's not at all like "eating glass".

Ditto. Although I only attended there four or five times.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I tried to listen to one of the messages on their web site. Wow, what a sleeping pill that was. The congregation sounded positively comatose, and the speaker seemed somambulant himself. Those poor people. I can imagine being a young person in one of those meetings thinking "I'd rather eat glass than be here!"

Seems that everyone is reading this post differently than I am. This does not pass judgment on the people. It passes judgment on the system that forces them to endure a message that would put many to sleep. It suggests sympathy for them for what they have to endure.

[Koinonia]

The Church in Moses Lake has recently republished Bill Freeman's devotional The Supplied Life and is offering it for sale. More information can be found on the church's website.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Testing123

djohnson, I am only familiar with the situation through a brother that formerly met there. So, this is what I have been told. As far as I have understood it, the issue in Moses Lake was not specifically about Philip Lee and his improprieties, but more the general problem of "the ministry" (of Witness Lee) beginning to supercede the church and the local aspect of the church. So, I do not believe that Moses Lake was directly related to or influenced by the activity of John Ingalls, John So, etc., but I believe that the changeover was a product of the same era and some similar realizations.

You've got it about right.

Terry