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Old 07-02-2019, 02:18 PM   #501
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Just some thoughts:
1. It seems common that folks may not be aware of the difference between weather (day to day or short term changes in the atmosphere) and climate
(Weather averaged over a long period of time, often 30 years.)
2. So an event like the massive hailstorm in Guadalajara may be said by some to be a sign of climate change and others may say a freak weather occurrence.There have been hailstorms there in the past.
3. I would say the climate is under God's ruling and perhaps a portent of the age or this era ending and going into the next. The fossil record shows now extinct creatures in previous eras or ages where God was doing whatever it was He was
doing.
4. I wonder if this climate or weather activity could be due to 3 items, listed by
by degree of impact:
A. Cyclic activity over the ages as set up by God.
B. Forces outside the earth as it is said the moon affects the tides and sunspot
activity as 2 examples.
C. Fossil fuel usage and other activities of man.
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Old 07-02-2019, 06:44 PM   #502
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2. So an event like the massive hailstorm in Guadalajara may be said by some to be a sign of climate change and others may say a freak weather occurrence.There have been hailstorms there in the past.
Yes and no. Instead of looking at a single event we can look at the number of events, size of events and severity of events in a single year. So yes, there have been hurricanes before, but if the size of them has doubled, the number of them has doubled as well and the severity has increased significantly, then that is something that has not happened.

So yes, we have had hurricanes in the past, but hurricane Sandy was 1,000 miles in diameter. Never had a hurricane that big before. Likewise Hurricane Harvey dumped 27 trillion gallons, or in numbers that are easier to understand that is one million gallons of water for every person living in Texas. Never saw anything like that before.
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Old 07-02-2019, 07:03 PM   #503
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wasp-...07f6ca57f915f?

WEIRD NEWS 07/01/2019 03:46 am ET Updated 1 day ago
Now Wasps Are Forming Massive ‘Super Nests’ Because Life Just Isn’t Scary Enough
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:11 PM   #504
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https://grist.org/article/this-was-t...ting-started/?
This was the hottest June in history, and summer is just getting started
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:50 AM   #505
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UPDATE! At 5pm this afternoon, #Anchorage International Airport offically hit 90 degrees for the first time on record. #AKwx #RecordHeat

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Old 07-06-2019, 09:45 AM   #506
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Alaska sees record temperatures in heatwave
The Independent Alex Matthews-King,The Independent 5 hours ago

An "all-time high" temperature record has been set in the US state of Alaska, despite much of the country sitting in the Arctic circle.

Temperatures peaked at 32.22 Celsius (90F) on 4 July at an airport in Anchorage, the state's largest city.

How long till Alaska's tourism department sets up trips for beach goers?
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:19 AM   #507
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Six shocking climate events that happened around the world this week
Heat waves, melting glaciers, and wasp "super nests."
Jul 6, 2019, 8:00 am

Cooling break during the quarter-final between in ITALY and NETHERLANDS the 2019 women's football World cup at Stade du Hainaut, on the 29 June 2019.(Photo by Julien Mattia/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
Living in a warming world means experiencing a litany of unexpected events.
From an increase in the population of iguanas in Florida and super nests of wasps in Alabama, to world-class soccer stars competing in record-breaking heat in France and torrential rainfall in India, this week has seen a slew of unprecedented and unexpected climate impacts.

https://thinkprogress.org/six-shocki...rld-this-week/
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Old 07-08-2019, 08:09 AM   #508
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Six shocking climate events that happened around the world this week
Heat waves, melting glaciers, and wasp "super nests."
Jul 6, 2019, 8:00 am

Cooling break during the quarter-final between in ITALY and NETHERLANDS the 2019 women's football World cup at Stade du Hainaut, on the 29 June 2019.(Photo by Julien Mattia/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
Living in a warming world means experiencing a litany of unexpected events.
From an increase in the population of iguanas in Florida and super nests of wasps in Alabama, to world-class soccer stars competing in record-breaking heat in France and torrential rainfall in India, this week has seen a slew of unprecedented and unexpected climate impacts.
Does this also explain the Rabbit population explosion in my neighborhood?
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Old 07-12-2019, 12:43 PM   #509
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https://desdemonadespair.net/2019/07...et-again.html?
Wettest 12 months in U.S. history, yet again
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Old 07-12-2019, 04:42 PM   #510
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Does this also explain the Rabbit population explosion in my neighborhood?
Rabbit Species Threatened By Climate Change

The Easter Bunny may be a welcome visitor for children, but some of his brethren are facing great challenges. Several notable rabbit species are becoming increasingly threatened as a result of climate change.
According to Climate Nexus, rabbits from habitats as diverse as volcanoes in Mexico and the Florida Keys are facing threats such as rising sea levels, increasing temperatures or decreased snowfall.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rabbi...reat_n_1408099
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https://desdemonadespair.net/2019/07...-species.html?

Decades-long butterfly study shows 33 percent population loss – “These declines in abundance are happening in common species”
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:59 AM   #512
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UPDATE! At 5pm this afternoon, #Anchorage International Airport offically hit 90 degrees for the first time on record. #AKwx #RecordHeat

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What was the previous record? Only one occurrence or many for that temperature? Recent or first very old record?

Just curious.

I also note that many years back — when there was scientific talk of global cooling — there were some days in late winter to early spring when the temperatures in Anchorage and Juneau were significantly higher than Daytona Beach.

Just underscoring that any particular weather event is meaningless in proving or disproving global warming or cooling. And every temperature record happens on some date. Some remain very old and some are more recent. Neither proves or disproves anything.
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:23 AM   #513
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What was the previous record? Only one occurrence or many for that temperature? Recent or first very old record?

Just curious.

I also note that many years back — when there was scientific talk of global cooling — there were some days in late winter to early spring when the temperatures in Anchorage and Juneau were significantly higher than Daytona Beach.

Just underscoring that any particular weather event is meaningless in proving or disproving global warming or cooling. And every temperature record happens on some date. Some remain very old and some are more recent. Neither proves or disproves anything.
So true!

When I hear of records being broken that went WAY back to 1892, I think:
  • were these folks also obsessed with climate change?
  • did someone claim the end of the world was in 12 years?
  • did they also rightly blame cow farts?
  • was it politically charged?
  • how did they ever survive without air conditioning?
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:10 PM   #514
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What was the previous record? Only one occurrence or many for that temperature? Recent or first very old record?
Post #1 — 15 events in the US costing over $1 billion

Then Post #2 was prescient, Ohio asked how much longer till “the big one” and this was prior to the two recent earthquakes in California.

Post #14 — insured losses in the US in 2017 was $350 billion.

Post #15 — dead zones in lakes, rivers and oceans have grown 400 to 1,000 percent since 1950.

Post #17 — heat wave in Australia killing flying foxes

Post #20 — an example of the lies being published as a way of creating doubt about the science of Climate change.

Post #24 — more information on the climate change in Alaska. Average temperature for an entire month in the entire state of Alaska is not a “single event”. For an average to be 15.7 degrees F above the 20th century average is astounding. The average temperature for 100 years is what climate does measure.

Post #41 — gross post about cow farts

Post #59 — discusses global conflicts that have been caused by climate change and are predicted to in the future.

Post #60 — Study of the loss of ice in the Bering sea

Post #61 — highest level of Carbon dioxide in history

Post #62 — record temperatures across the Southwest

Post #63 — virus found in a 1500 year old mummy causes death and infection rates exceeding 40% across Australia

Post #104 — Another example of comparing a large data set of temperatures getting a mean, and comparing the recent rise.

Post #109 — structures destroyed by fire in the US has increased 20 fold since 1960s.

Post #110 — heat wave records in Japan, US and Europe. All told 118 records broken or tied.

Post #188 — Power companies going bankrupt due to the california wildfires.

Post #189 — study showing the median annual frequency of flooding has doubled on the East coast of the US.

Post #219 — Population of reindeer in the arctic has crashed by more than half in the last two decades.

Post #225 — Pentagon report demonstrating that the Pentagon is not only taking climate change very seriously but is also taking major actions in response.

Post #247 — the three highest volume rainfall events on record happened in the past 3 years.

Post #254 — Since 1990 carbon emissions worldwide have jumped 60%

Post #363 — 4 1/2 feet of rain in a storm in Australia

Post #373 — record shattering heat wave in Australia, Argentina and Chile and Florida’s toxic algae crisis — toxin is in the air.

Posts 436 and 437 — articles on impacts on health and starvation

Post 444 — olive oil crisis in Italy, and Ice is all gone in Bering strait

Post 456 — Ethiopia needs 1.3 billion to help people displaced by climate change


Post 465 — record highs in the US outpace record lows 2:1

Post 467 — Insect apocalypse

Post 489 — India suffers heat wave temperatures of 120 degrees F.

Post #490 — Studies of record heat and melting in Alaska and Greenland

Post #491 — temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal in Arctic ocean


Post #497 — devastating heat wave in Europe
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Old 07-15-2019, 07:35 PM   #515
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/o...r-crisis.html?
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Independent of climate abnormalities, every event will naturally be more damaging because the population is rapidly increasing.

Inflation is also working to increase the size of each catastrophy.
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Independent of climate abnormalities, every event will naturally be more damaging because the population is rapidly increasing.

Inflation is also working to increase the size of each catastrophy.
It is important to look at the dollar amounts both real and projected because it gives us an idea of the cost of this situation that is rooted in fact. That in turn can inform policy.

For example, suppose I propose a $1 trillion dollar solution and justify it based on the fact that natural catastrophes are running about $350 billion a year. However, unless you are predicting the elimination of all natural disasters your solution is only going to reduce this amount by a certain percent. So, if I have a solution that will reduce the impact by 20% the value of that is approximately $70 billion a year. If you want a ROI of 25%, then your logical limit to the cost of this solution is $280 billion.

However, it is reasonable to suggest that "insured losses" are only a fraction of the actual losses. Does the insect apocalypse fall under "insured losses"? How about all those who went bankrupt from Katrina because they were only insured against hurricanes and not against floods (believe it or not insurance companies refused to pay for damages saying the damage was from the flood that occurred 24 hours after the wind)? How about the cost of climate refugees? Should we include the cost of the "wall" and border security?

Things that are not impacted by inflation of the US dollar: insect apocalypse, dead zones in lakes, rivers and oceans increasing by as much as 1,000% since 1950, heat waves, loss of ice, carbon dioxide levels, mummy apocalypse, frequency of flooding, population of reindeer, etc.
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June was the warmest June ever recorded, but there's a bigger problem
Mark Kaufman,Mashable


In 139 years of record-keeping, this June was the warmest June ever recorded. But June 2019 also revealed a deeper warming reality.*
The first half of 2019, January through June, finished up as the second warmest half-year on record, newly released NASA data shows. On top of that, each of the last five January through Junes are now the five warmest such spans on record. Only 2016 started off hotter than 2019.*

By definition climate is the average over a long span of time, for example 139 years.

A large data set would include the entire globe, not just a single location like Houston, TX. For the last 5 years to include the 5 warmest spans from Jan to June cannot be described as part of a normal trend, but rather the start of a new trend.

You cannot possibly explain these 5 years with natural fluctuations that occur over 30,000 years.
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It is important to look at the dollar amounts both real and projected because it gives us an idea of the cost of this situation that is rooted in fact. That in turn can inform policy.

For example, suppose I propose a $1 trillion dollar solution and justify it based on the fact that natural catastrophes are running about $350 billion a year. However, unless you are predicting the elimination of all natural disasters your solution is only going to reduce this amount by a certain percent. So, if I have a solution that will reduce the impact by 20% the value of that is approximately $70 billion a year. If you want a ROI of 25%, then your logical limit to the cost of this solution is $280 billion.

However, it is reasonable to suggest that "insured losses" are only a fraction of the actual losses. Does the insect apocalypse fall under "insured losses"? How about all those who went bankrupt from Katrina because they were only insured against hurricanes and not against floods (believe it or not insurance companies refused to pay for damages saying the damage was from the flood that occurred 24 hours after the wind)? How about the cost of climate refugees? Should we include the cost of the "wall" and border security?

Things that are not impacted by inflation of the US dollar: insect apocalypse, dead zones in lakes, rivers and oceans increasing by as much as 1,000% since 1950, heat waves, loss of ice, carbon dioxide levels, mummy apocalypse, frequency of flooding, population of reindeer, etc.
According to the record of the Bible, all weather anomalies were due to sin, and repentance brought relief. Weather and climate are in God's hands.

Do you agree?

The elimination of fossil fuels, cows, and other evils cited by the hysterical left would do nothing to improve the weather or the climate. When Noah built his ark, was anyone using fossil fuels? When drought and famine struck Canaan, forcing 70 souls to flee to Egypt, did they arrive by SUV?
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According to the record of the Bible, all weather anomalies were due to sin, and repentance brought relief. Weather and climate are in God's hands.

Do you agree?
Yes. But I would prefer to use the Biblical language in Galatians -- "Be not deceived for whatever a man sows this shall he reap".

that was the point that led to the realization 100 years ago that burning fossil fuel would reap climate change.

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The elimination of fossil fuels, cows, and other evils cited by the hysterical left would do nothing to improve the weather or the climate. When Noah built his ark, was anyone using fossil fuels? When drought and famine struck Canaan, forcing 70 souls to flee to Egypt, did they arrive by SUV?
I have already addressed this repeatedly on this forum and also on this thread. The "sin" that we are reaping from is the sin committed by Solomon.

No, it is not a sin to burn fossil fuel. The sin was in disobeying God's command by Solomon. Had he stayed focused the industrial revolution would have begun during his time forcing the invention of water pumps to be used in the mines. Israel would have then had 400 years to develop with an industrial revolution while located on the absolutely best source of oil. The boundary of Israel was equivalent to the Arabian Peninsula. By the time the Babylonians come visiting on their horses Israel would have had airplanes, helicopters, trains, cars, and skyscrapers. They would have also experienced the extreme pollution that Britain did and been pushed to cleaner technology. We have only had 150 years of industrial revolution, and our country is not nearly as small and concentrated as Israel. By the time the rest of the world entered the industrial revolution we would have completely cleaned up the technology (wind turbines, solar panels, maybe even Fusion).

The sin was in marrying 100 foreign wives and disregarding God's command in many different ways as a result. After Solomon's failure Israel was divided and one empire came through after another. By the time Jesus was born man was on a path that had no other outcome other than catastrophic climate change with the destruction of the ozone hole, mega natural disasters, burning up of man with cancer so that they hide from the sun, rivers, lakes and oceans turning to blood, etc.
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