Climate Change

[Weighingin]

Just some thoughts:
1. It seems common that folks may not be aware of the difference between weather (day to day or short term changes in the atmosphere) and climate
(Weather averaged over a long period of time, often 30 years.)
2. So an event like the massive hailstorm in Guadalajara may be said by some to be a sign of climate change and others may say a freak weather occurrence.There have been hailstorms there in the past.
3. I would say the climate is under God's ruling and perhaps a portent of the age or this era ending and going into the next. The fossil record shows now extinct creatures in previous eras or ages where God was doing whatever it was He was
doing.
4. I wonder if this climate or weather activity could be due to 3 items, listed by
by degree of impact:
A. Cyclic activity over the ages as set up by God.
B. Forces outside the earth as it is said the moon affects the tides and sunspot
activity as 2 examples.
C. Fossil fuel usage and other activities of man.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Weighingin

2. So an event like the massive hailstorm in Guadalajara may be said by some to be a sign of climate change and others may say a freak weather occurrence.There have been hailstorms there in the past.

Yes and no. Instead of looking at a single event we can look at the number of events, size of events and severity of events in a single year. So yes, there have been hurricanes before, but if the size of them has doubled, the number of them has doubled as well and the severity has increased significantly, then that is something that has not happened.

So yes, we have had hurricanes in the past, but hurricane Sandy was 1,000 miles in diameter. Never had a hurricane that big before. Likewise Hurricane Harvey dumped 27 trillion gallons, or in numbers that are easier to understand that is one million gallons of water for every person living in Texas. Never saw anything like that before.

[ZNPaaneah]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wasp-...07f6ca57f915f?

WEIRD NEWS 07/01/2019 03:46 am ET Updated 1 day ago
Now Wasps Are Forming Massive ‘Super Nests’ Because Life Just Isn’t Scary Enough

[ZNPaaneah]

https://grist.org/article/this-was-t...ting-started/?
This was the hottest June in history, and summer is just getting started

[ZNPaaneah]

UPDATE! At 5pm this afternoon, #Anchorage International Airport offically hit 90 degrees for the first time on record. #AKwx #RecordHeat

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[ZNPaaneah]

U.S.
Alaska sees record temperatures in heatwave
The Independent Alex Matthews-King,The Independent 5 hours ago

An "all-time high" temperature record has been set in the US state of Alaska, despite much of the country sitting in the Arctic circle.

Temperatures peaked at 32.22 Celsius (90F) on 4 July at an airport in Anchorage, the state's largest city.

How long till Alaska's tourism department sets up trips for beach goers?

[ZNPaaneah]

Six shocking climate events that happened around the world this week
Heat waves, melting glaciers, and wasp "super nests."
Jul 6, 2019, 8:00 am

Cooling break during the quarter-final between in ITALY and NETHERLANDS the 2019 women's football World cup at Stade du Hainaut, on the 29 June 2019.(Photo by Julien Mattia/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
Living in a warming world means experiencing a litany of unexpected events.
From an increase in the population of iguanas in Florida and super nests of wasps in Alabama, to world-class soccer stars competing in record-breaking heat in France and torrential rainfall in India, this week has seen a slew of unprecedented and unexpected climate impacts.

https://thinkprogress.org/six-shocki...rld-this-week/

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Six shocking climate events that happened around the world this week
Heat waves, melting glaciers, and wasp "super nests."
Jul 6, 2019, 8:00 am

Cooling break during the quarter-final between in ITALY and NETHERLANDS the 2019 women's football World cup at Stade du Hainaut, on the 29 June 2019.(Photo by Julien Mattia/NurPhoto via Getty Images)
Living in a warming world means experiencing a litany of unexpected events.
From an increase in the population of iguanas in Florida and super nests of wasps in Alabama, to world-class soccer stars competing in record-breaking heat in France and torrential rainfall in India, this week has seen a slew of unprecedented and unexpected climate impacts.

Does this also explain the Rabbit population explosion in my neighborhood?

[ZNPaaneah]

https://desdemonadespair.net/2019/07...et-again.html?
Wettest 12 months in U.S. history, yet again

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Does this also explain the Rabbit population explosion in my neighborhood?

Rabbit Species Threatened By Climate Change

The Easter Bunny may be a welcome visitor for children, but some of his brethren are facing great challenges. Several notable rabbit species are becoming increasingly threatened as a result of climate change.
According to Climate Nexus, rabbits from habitats as diverse as volcanoes in Mexico and the Florida Keys are facing threats such as rising sea levels, increasing temperatures or decreased snowfall.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rabbi...reat_n_1408099

[ZNPaaneah]

https://desdemonadespair.net/2019/07...-species.html?

Decades-long butterfly study shows 33 percent population loss – “These declines in abundance are happening in common species”

[OBW]

UPDATE! At 5pm this afternoon, #Anchorage International Airport offically hit 90 degrees for the first time on record. #AKwx #RecordHeat

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What was the previous record? Only one occurrence or many for that temperature? Recent or first very old record?

Just curious.

I also note that many years back — when there was scientific talk of global cooling — there were some days in late winter to early spring when the temperatures in Anchorage and Juneau were significantly higher than Daytona Beach.

Just underscoring that any particular weather event is meaningless in proving or disproving global warming or cooling. And every temperature record happens on some date. Some remain very old and some are more recent. Neither proves or disproves anything.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by OBW

What was the previous record? Only one occurrence or many for that temperature? Recent or first very old record?

Just curious.

I also note that many years back — when there was scientific talk of global cooling — there were some days in late winter to early spring when the temperatures in Anchorage and Juneau were significantly higher than Daytona Beach.

Just underscoring that any particular weather event is meaningless in proving or disproving global warming or cooling. And every temperature record happens on some date. Some remain very old and some are more recent. Neither proves or disproves anything.

So true!

When I hear of records being broken that went WAY back to 1892, I think:

• were these folks also obsessed with climate change?
• did someone claim the end of the world was in 12 years?
• did they also rightly blame cow farts?
• was it politically charged?
• how did they ever survive without air conditioning?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by OBW

What was the previous record? Only one occurrence or many for that temperature? Recent or first very old record?

Post #1 — 15 events in the US costing over $1 billion

Then Post #2 was prescient, Ohio asked how much longer till “the big one” and this was prior to the two recent earthquakes in California.

Post #14 — insured losses in the US in 2017 was $350 billion.

Post #15 — dead zones in lakes, rivers and oceans have grown 400 to 1,000 percent since 1950.

Post #17 — heat wave in Australia killing flying foxes

Post #20 — an example of the lies being published as a way of creating doubt about the science of Climate change.

Post #24 — more information on the climate change in Alaska. Average temperature for an entire month in the entire state of Alaska is not a “single event”. For an average to be 15.7 degrees F above the 20th century average is astounding. The average temperature for 100 years is what climate does measure.

Post #41 — gross post about cow farts

Post #59 — discusses global conflicts that have been caused by climate change and are predicted to in the future.

Post #60 — Study of the loss of ice in the Bering sea

Post #61 — highest level of Carbon dioxide in history

Post #62 — record temperatures across the Southwest

Post #63 — virus found in a 1500 year old mummy causes death and infection rates exceeding 40% across Australia

Post #104 — Another example of comparing a large data set of temperatures getting a mean, and comparing the recent rise.

Post #109 — structures destroyed by fire in the US has increased 20 fold since 1960s.

Post #110 — heat wave records in Japan, US and Europe. All told 118 records broken or tied.

Post #188 — Power companies going bankrupt due to the california wildfires.

Post #189 — study showing the median annual frequency of flooding has doubled on the East coast of the US.

Post #219 — Population of reindeer in the arctic has crashed by more than half in the last two decades.

Post #225 — Pentagon report demonstrating that the Pentagon is not only taking climate change very seriously but is also taking major actions in response.

Post #247 — the three highest volume rainfall events on record happened in the past 3 years.

Post #254 — Since 1990 carbon emissions worldwide have jumped 60%

Post #363 — 4 1/2 feet of rain in a storm in Australia

Post #373 — record shattering heat wave in Australia, Argentina and Chile and Florida’s toxic algae crisis — toxin is in the air.

Posts 436 and 437 — articles on impacts on health and starvation

Post 444 — olive oil crisis in Italy, and Ice is all gone in Bering strait

Post 456 — Ethiopia needs 1.3 billion to help people displaced by climate change


Post 465 — record highs in the US outpace record lows 2:1

Post 467 — Insect apocalypse

Post 489 — India suffers heat wave temperatures of 120 degrees F.

Post #490 — Studies of record heat and melting in Alaska and Greenland

Post #491 — temperatures leap 40 degrees above normal in Arctic ocean


Post #497 — devastating heat wave in Europe

[ZNPaaneah]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/o...r-crisis.html?
India’s Terrifying Water Crisis
By Meera Subramanian July 15, 2019

[Ohio]

Independent of climate abnormalities, every event will naturally be more damaging because the population is rapidly increasing.

Inflation is also working to increase the size of each catastrophy.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Independent of climate abnormalities, every event will naturally be more damaging because the population is rapidly increasing.

Inflation is also working to increase the size of each catastrophy.

It is important to look at the dollar amounts both real and projected because it gives us an idea of the cost of this situation that is rooted in fact. That in turn can inform policy.

For example, suppose I propose a $1 trillion dollar solution and justify it based on the fact that natural catastrophes are running about $350 billion a year. However, unless you are predicting the elimination of all natural disasters your solution is only going to reduce this amount by a certain percent. So, if I have a solution that will reduce the impact by 20% the value of that is approximately $70 billion a year. If you want a ROI of 25%, then your logical limit to the cost of this solution is $280 billion.

However, it is reasonable to suggest that "insured losses" are only a fraction of the actual losses. Does the insect apocalypse fall under "insured losses"? How about all those who went bankrupt from Katrina because they were only insured against hurricanes and not against floods (believe it or not insurance companies refused to pay for damages saying the damage was from the flood that occurred 24 hours after the wind)? How about the cost of climate refugees? Should we include the cost of the "wall" and border security?

Things that are not impacted by inflation of the US dollar: insect apocalypse, dead zones in lakes, rivers and oceans increasing by as much as 1,000% since 1950, heat waves, loss of ice, carbon dioxide levels, mummy apocalypse, frequency of flooding, population of reindeer, etc.

[ZNPaaneah]

Science
June was the warmest June ever recorded, but there's a bigger problem
Mark Kaufman,Mashable


In 139 years of record-keeping, this June was the warmest June ever recorded. But June 2019 also revealed a deeper warming reality.*
The first half of 2019, January through June, finished up as the second warmest half-year on record, newly released NASA data shows. On top of that, each of the last five January through Junes are now the five warmest such spans on record. Only 2016 started off hotter than 2019.*

By definition climate is the average over a long span of time, for example 139 years.

A large data set would include the entire globe, not just a single location like Houston, TX. For the last 5 years to include the 5 warmest spans from Jan to June cannot be described as part of a normal trend, but rather the start of a new trend.

You cannot possibly explain these 5 years with natural fluctuations that occur over 30,000 years.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

It is important to look at the dollar amounts both real and projected because it gives us an idea of the cost of this situation that is rooted in fact. That in turn can inform policy.

For example, suppose I propose a $1 trillion dollar solution and justify it based on the fact that natural catastrophes are running about $350 billion a year. However, unless you are predicting the elimination of all natural disasters your solution is only going to reduce this amount by a certain percent. So, if I have a solution that will reduce the impact by 20% the value of that is approximately $70 billion a year. If you want a ROI of 25%, then your logical limit to the cost of this solution is $280 billion.

However, it is reasonable to suggest that "insured losses" are only a fraction of the actual losses. Does the insect apocalypse fall under "insured losses"? How about all those who went bankrupt from Katrina because they were only insured against hurricanes and not against floods (believe it or not insurance companies refused to pay for damages saying the damage was from the flood that occurred 24 hours after the wind)? How about the cost of climate refugees? Should we include the cost of the "wall" and border security?

Things that are not impacted by inflation of the US dollar: insect apocalypse, dead zones in lakes, rivers and oceans increasing by as much as 1,000% since 1950, heat waves, loss of ice, carbon dioxide levels, mummy apocalypse, frequency of flooding, population of reindeer, etc.

According to the record of the Bible, all weather anomalies were due to sin, and repentance brought relief. Weather and climate are in God's hands.

Do you agree?

The elimination of fossil fuels, cows, and other evils cited by the hysterical left would do nothing to improve the weather or the climate. When Noah built his ark, was anyone using fossil fuels? When drought and famine struck Canaan, forcing 70 souls to flee to Egypt, did they arrive by SUV?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

According to the record of the Bible, all weather anomalies were due to sin, and repentance brought relief. Weather and climate are in God's hands.

Do you agree?

Yes. But I would prefer to use the Biblical language in Galatians -- "Be not deceived for whatever a man sows this shall he reap".

that was the point that led to the realization 100 years ago that burning fossil fuel would reap climate change.

Originally Posted by Ohio

The elimination of fossil fuels, cows, and other evils cited by the hysterical left would do nothing to improve the weather or the climate. When Noah built his ark, was anyone using fossil fuels? When drought and famine struck Canaan, forcing 70 souls to flee to Egypt, did they arrive by SUV?

I have already addressed this repeatedly on this forum and also on this thread. The "sin" that we are reaping from is the sin committed by Solomon.

No, it is not a sin to burn fossil fuel. The sin was in disobeying God's command by Solomon. Had he stayed focused the industrial revolution would have begun during his time forcing the invention of water pumps to be used in the mines. Israel would have then had 400 years to develop with an industrial revolution while located on the absolutely best source of oil. The boundary of Israel was equivalent to the Arabian Peninsula. By the time the Babylonians come visiting on their horses Israel would have had airplanes, helicopters, trains, cars, and skyscrapers. They would have also experienced the extreme pollution that Britain did and been pushed to cleaner technology. We have only had 150 years of industrial revolution, and our country is not nearly as small and concentrated as Israel. By the time the rest of the world entered the industrial revolution we would have completely cleaned up the technology (wind turbines, solar panels, maybe even Fusion).

The sin was in marrying 100 foreign wives and disregarding God's command in many different ways as a result. After Solomon's failure Israel was divided and one empire came through after another. By the time Jesus was born man was on a path that had no other outcome other than catastrophic climate change with the destruction of the ozone hole, mega natural disasters, burning up of man with cancer so that they hide from the sun, rivers, lakes and oceans turning to blood, etc.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes. But I would prefer to use the Biblical language in Galatians -- "Be not deceived for whatever a man sows this shall he reap".

that was the point that led to the realization 100 years ago that burning fossil fuel would reap climate change.

I have already addressed this repeatedly on this forum and also on this thread. The "sin" that we are reaping from is the sin committed by Solomon.

Is the entire world now cursed for Solomon's sins?

Was not that curse done away with in Christ?

Methinks you are building your entire case on a certain "Mine Myth."

Why is there no warning in the Bible not to burn fossil fuels to stay warm?

Sorry bro, but I see the climate / weather issues as a judgment for idolatry, unbelief, disobedience, pride and rebellion against God. I see this throughout the scripture, but can't find Solomon and the industrial revolution any where.

P.S. Windmills are harmful to our ecosystem. Bats, birds, and pollinating bees all suffer. 3,000 years of windmills might have killed us all off already.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Is the entire world now cursed for Solomon's sins?

Could one man have such a big impact on the rest of humanity? Is that your question? Ask Oppenheimer.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Was not that curse done away with in Christ?

Why are you calling it a curse? When Jesus was on Earth did he suggest that there was any way we could avoid the great tribulation? How about the apostles, did they suggest there was any way for man to avoid the Great tribulation? Solomon took a fork in the road from which there was no going back, just as Adam did, and Moses did, etc.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Methinks you are building your entire case on a certain "Mine Myth."

Why is there no warning in the Bible not to burn fossil fuels to stay warm?

That is my point. If burning fossil fuel results in Climate change God should have warned us. When was that warning? I have concluded that God fully intended for us to burn fossil fuel, not as the end all be all, but as a bridge to take us from hunter gatherer to fully technologically advanced society. If we crossed this bridge at the time of Solomon the amount of pollution would have been negligible and something the Earth could have handled. But Solomon's failure resulted in the delay of the industrial revolution by about 2,000 years and locked us into a path that leads to the Great Tribulation.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry bro, but I see the climate / weather issues as a judgment for idolatry, unbelief, disobedience, pride and rebellion against God.

Oh! So now you agree with me that this is God's judgement as a result of Solomon's sin, a sin of idolatry, unbelief, disobedience, pride and rebellion against God.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I see this throughout the scripture, but can't find Solomon and the industrial revolution any where.

What?! You don't see Solomon's sin as a sin of idolatry, unbelief, disobedience, pride and rebellion against God?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Could one man have such a big impact on the rest of humanity? Is that your question? Ask Oppenheimer.

Why are you calling it a curse? When Jesus was on Earth did he suggest that there was any way we could avoid the great tribulation? How about the apostles, did they suggest there was any way for man to avoid the Great tribulation? Solomon took a fork in the road from which there was no going back, just as Adam did, and Moses did, etc.

That is my point. If burning fossil fuel results in Climate change God should have warned us. When was that warning? I have concluded that God fully intended for us to burn fossil fuel, not as the end all be all, but as a bridge to take us from hunter gatherer to fully technologically advanced society. If we crossed this bridge at the time of Solomon the amount of pollution would have been negligible and something the Earth could have handled. But Solomon's failure resulted in the delay of the industrial revolution by about 2,000 years and locked us into a path that leads to the Great Tribulation.

Oh! So now you agree with me that this is God's judgement as a result of Solomon's sin, a sin of idolatry, unbelief, disobedience, pride and rebellion against God. What?! You don't see Solomon's sin as a sin of idolatry, unbelief, disobedience, pride and rebellion against God?

Yes, Israel was judged for idolatry. Not Solomon's, but their own. Read Jeremiah and Ezekiel. First God divided Israel, then He sent Assyria to destroy Israel. Then Babylon did the same with Judah and Jerusalem. But I never saw where God said He sent Nebuchadnezzar because of Solomon's sin. Rather he repeatedly mentioned the sins of Kings Jehoahaz, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah.

Later Jesus came to the earth and never mentioned this stuff. He seemed to have forgotten Solomon's sins and his mines. He mentioned don't be anxious about clothing, since Solomon in all his glory could not compare with the lilies of the field. Then He referred to Himself as a "greater Solomon." But no coal, or sins, or mines.

I'm just not getting it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yes, Israel was judged for idolatry. Not Solomon's, but their own. Read Jeremiah and Ezekiel. First God divided Israel, then He sent Assyria to destroy Israel. Then Babylon did the same with Judah and Jerusalem. But I never saw where God said He sent Nebuchadnezzar because of Solomon's sin. Rather he repeatedly mentioned the sins of Kings Jehoahaz, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah.

Later Jesus came to the earth and never mentioned this stuff. He seemed to have forgotten Solomon's sins and his mines. He mentioned don't be anxious about clothing, since Solomon in all his glory could not compare with the lilies of the field. Then He referred to Himself as a "greater Solomon." But no coal, or sins, or mines.

I'm just not getting it.

Hear, O my people, and I will testify unto thee:
O Israel, if thou wouldest hearken unto me!
9 There shall no strange god be in thee;
Neither shalt thou worship any foreign god.

This is what Solomon did.

10 I am Jehovah thy God,
Who brought thee up out of the land of Egypt:
Open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

If God can bring them up out of slavery in Egypt He can also bring them up into the Industrial revolution. Mankind has had a labor problem ever since the dawn of the agricultural revolution. Slave labor, domesticated animals to do the labor, one way or the other there is a need for labor. That equation changed with the industrial revolution. Now we have machines powered by coal, wood, oil, natural gas, etc. The machines have replaced our slaves. Bringing us out of slavery in Egypt is not fulfilled until we entered into the industrial revolution.

11 But my people hearkened not to my voice;
And Israel would none of me.

Again, this is what Solomon did when he married foreign wives and disobeyed God's command not to go to Egypt, or Lebanon, or across the sea.

12 So I let them go after the stubbornness of their heart,
That they might walk in their own counsels.

Of all the counsels Solomon was the "wisest". Yes, what is true of Solomon is also true of many others. But as the "wisest" he is also the one that bears the greatest responsibility. "To whom much is given much is required".

13 Oh that my people would hearken unto me,
That Israel would walk in my ways!
14 I would soon subdue their enemies,
And turn my hand against their adversaries.

Who were the enemies and adversaries of Israel? Surely Babylon, Medo Persians, Syrians and Romans. You can talk about Philistines and Amalekites, but they were small potatoes compared to Babylon.

15 The haters of Jehovah should submit themselves unto him:
But their time should endure for ever.

So how exactly is God going to get the Babylonians to submit to the Israelites if they had hearkened to Him instead of going their own way? I am suggesting that the discovery of the Industrial revolution at the time of Solomon would have fulfilled this. The Babylonians would have rode into Israel on horses and seen trains, planes, and helicopters as well as sky scrapers. They would have submitted.

16 He would feed them also with the finest of the wheat;

The industrial revolution is also an agricultural revolution.

And with honey out of the rock would I satisfy thee.

"Honey out of the rock" is that a reference to oil?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

And with honey out of the rock would I satisfy thee.

"Honey out of the rock" is that a reference to oil?

This is the kind of wild interpretation that we heard from Lee for decades.

We can't build a theology around it.

I'm a simple man who prefers plain words.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is the kind of wild interpretation that we heard from Lee for decades.

We can't build a theology around it.

I'm a simple man who prefers plain words.

Here are some Plain words

1. I am Jehovah God who brought you up out of Egypt is a plain word about God bringing up slaves out of slavery.

Human history is clear, "labor saving device" is the benefit of the industrial revolution, it is the reason women can be liberated from the drudgery of housework.

2. There shall no strange god be in thee, neither shalt thou worship any foreign god.

a plain word concerning idolatry. Although it would be foolish to say this only refers to Solomon I am not saying that. I am simply saying that this word clearly and plainly does refer to Solomon:

4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect with Jehovah his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did that which was evil in the sight of Jehovah, and went not fully after Jehovah, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, in the mount that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And so did he for all his foreign wives, who burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.


3. If God is going to judge man for trusting in their own wisdom, then surely Solomon is example:

"So king Solomon exceeded all the kings of the earth in riches and in wisdom." 1Kings 10:23

4. But my people hearkened not to my voice

Again, doesn't only refer to Solomon, but Solomon is certainly a prime example of this.

Now king Solomon loved many foreign women, [a]together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians, and Hittites; 2 of the nations concerning which Jehovah said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go among them, neither shall they come among you; for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

5. Oh that my people would hearken unto me,
That Israel would walk in my ways!
14 I would soon subdue their enemies,
And turn my hand against their adversaries.

Now this verse has to be put into juxtaposition with Solomon's reign. It was during his reign that the enemies were subdued. That was when he was faithful to the Lord. Then his heart was turned after other gods as a result of his disobedience to God's word. What happens? Israel becomes divided at his death and never again are the enemies subdued.

The rest of the promise is hypothetical. It is what would have happened had Solomon not been disobedient and worshipped foreign gods.

[ZNPaaneah]

UPDATE 1-June 2019 was the hottest June on record across the globe -NOAA
Reuters By Valerie Volcovici and Matthew Green,Reuters 17 hours ago

(Adds comments from University of Exeter climate scientist in paragraphs 6-8)

By Valerie Volcovici and Matthew Green

July 18 (Reuters) - June 2019 was the hottest June in 140 years, setting a global record, according to the latest monthly global climate report released on Thursday by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The report said the average global temperature in June was 1.71 degrees Fahrenheit above the 20th-century average of 59.9 degrees F (15.5 degrees Celsius) and marks the 414th consecutive month in which temperatures were above the 20th-century average. Nine of the 10 hottest Junes over the last 140 years have occurred since 2010, NOAA said.

[ZNPaaneah]

And for July--

Tens of millions of Americans will feel triple-digit heat between Thursday and Sunday.

The National Weather Service (NWS) noted that 20 to 30 high temperature records could fall between the Rockies and the East Coast. There will be little relief even at night: The weather agency expects 123 records for the warmest daily low temperature to be either broken or tied this week. The Midwest will see many of the highest extremes on Thursday and Friday, while the East Coast will feel its most intense heat on Saturday.

The NWS labeled this excessive heat as "scorching." On Saturday in Washington D.C., the confluence of humidity and air temperatures are forecast to produce a heat index (or feeling) of around 110 F. Meteorologist Michael Ventrice called these forecasted conditions "dangerously hot." Indeed, heat waves kill more Americans than any other weather event.

[ZNPaaneah]

- June marked the 414th consecutive month where temperatures were recorded as being above the 20th century average for that given month, according to NOAA. That’s a trend spanning more than 34 years.

- Nine of the 10 warmest Junes on record have occurred since 2010, per NOAA.

- Global sea level has risen about 7 to 8 inches since 1900, and nearly half of that increase -- 3 inches -- has occurred since 1993, according to the latest climate assessment, published last year by the U.S. Global Change Research Program.

- Heatwaves happen more frequently since the 1960s and extreme cold temperatures or cold waves happen less frequently, according to the climate assessment.

[ZNPaaneah]

LONDON, July 24 (Reuters) - Earth's rapid warming in the late 20th century was far more widespread than any temperature variations during the previous 2,000 years, according to a study published on Wednesday that shows how profoundly humans have altered the climate.

The study crunched data covering two millennia from almost 700 sources ranging from tree rings and coral to sediments and ice cores.

Published in the journal Nature, it found that previous major climate events were confined to certain areas, and not global phenomena as scientists had previously assumed, said one of its co-authors, Columbia University climate scientist Nathan Steiger.

"The main takeaway is that climate variability in the contemporary period is very different than what's happened in the past 2,000 years," he said.

[ZNPaaneah]

https://grist.org/article/during-dea...eighborhoods/?
During deadly heat wave, New York utility cut power to high-risk neighborhoods
Justine Calmaon Jul 23, 2019

[ZNPaaneah]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ok-ic...004b6adb11b7e?

Somber Monument To Mark Glacier Lost To Climate Change

The glacial gravestone remembers OK as the first of Iceland’s glaciers to lose its status as a glacier after warming temperatures caused much of its ice to melt. It also contains a warning about the dire outlook for Iceland’s 400 or so remaining glaciers and the urgent need facing humanity to tackle the threat of climate change.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ok-ic...004b6adb11b7e?

Somber Monument To Mark Glacier Lost To Climate Change

The glacial gravestone remembers OK as the first of Iceland’s glaciers to lose its status as a glacier after warming temperatures caused much of its ice to melt. It also contains a warning about the dire outlook for Iceland’s 400 or so remaining glaciers and the urgent need facing humanity to tackle the threat of climate change.

The climate change deniers to be concerned about are those profiting off it ; like Russia ... and of course the energy companies, looking to profit off the new land the melting is revealing, and the new shipping routes over the north pole.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

The climate change deniers to be concerned about are those profiting off it ; like Russia ... and of course the energy companies, looking to profit off the new land the melting is revealing, and the new shipping routes over the north pole.

You aren't? Wow, you don't use electricity generated from fossil fuel, you don't buy items at the store shipped by trucks, ships and airplanes. You don't drive a car that runs on gas. You don't eat beef. You don't use items made of plastic. You don't use concrete. You don't pay taxes to help support this system?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You aren't? Wow, you don't use electricity generated from fossil fuel, you don't buy items at the store shipped by trucks, ships and airplanes. You don't drive a car that runs on gas. You don't eat beef. You don't use items made of plastic. You don't use concrete. You don't pay taxes to help support this system?

And you ... for all the same reasons.

But you and I aren't the ones to be concerned about concerning the results of climate change.

You and I aren't part and parcel to the military buildup in the Arctic :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rthern-borders

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

And you ... for all the same reasons.

But you and I aren't the ones to be concerned about concerning the results of climate change.

You and I aren't part and parcel to the military buildup in the Arctic :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rthern-borders

My point is this is a systematic problem, not something that has villains and saints.

[ZNPaaneah]

https://www.ecowatch.com/amazon-defo...39358982.html?

Amazon Deforestation Rate Hits 3 Football Fields Per Minute, Date Confirms
Jordan DavidsonJul. 26, 2019 01:11PM EST

That is 400 square miles in the first half of July or 5,000 square miles so far this year (approximately the size of Connecticut).

[ZNPaaneah]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcm.../#68c694885971


New Solar + Battery Price Crushes Fossil Fuels, Buries Nuclear
Jeff McMahon
202,607 views Jul 1, 2019, 12:03am

(Half the cost of electricity from natural gas)

[ZNPaaneah]

World
Nuclear Fusion Could Be A Reality By 2025
Haley Zaremba,Oilprice.com

“Achieving controlled fusion reactions that net more power than they take to generate, and at commercial scale, is seen as a potential answer to climate change,” writes Nathanial Gronewold for Scientific American. “Fusion energy would eliminate the need for fossil fuels and solve the intermittency and reliability concerns inherent with renewable energy sources. The energy would be generated without the dangerous amounts of radiation that raises concerns about fission nuclear energy.”
The dream of nuclear fusion has long been out-of-reach, but now, with companies like the Jeff Bezos-backed General Fusion and a huge pool of fusion startups heating up the competition, fusion is quickly becoming a reality. Just this week, the “world’s largest nuclear fusion experiment” has made a major breakthrough.*

[ZNPaaneah]

Criminologists contend that criminals use techniques of neutralisation to help deny or justify a crime they have committed. These five techniques were first defined in 1964 from the types of arguments given by young people in the criminal justice system when justifying their actions.
Denial of responsibility – it is not the offender’s fault.
Denial of injury of harm – the crime does not cause significant harm or may have positive results.
Denial of victim – there is no clear victim.
Condemnation of the condemner – the offender criticises the criminal justice system to avoid criticism of the offender.
Appeal to higher loyalties – deviant behaviour was in aid of a greater good or to benefit someone else.


Denial of responsibility – climate change is happening, but humans aren’t the cause.
Denial of injury or harm – there’s no significant harm caused by human action and there may even be some benefits.
Denial of victim – there’s no climate change and so no victims, but if victims of climate change existed, they’d deserve to be victimized.
Condemnation of the condemner – climate change research is misrepresented by scientists, and manipulated by the media, politicians and environmentalists.
Appeal to higher loyalties – economic progress and development are more important than preventing climate change. This will help protect us from energy poverty and allow developing nations to prosper.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/climate-d...110917608.html

[ZNPaaneah]

As an intense heat wave gripped Paris, London and Madrid, and as parts of Greenland's ice sheet melted, July 2019 became the warmest month ever recorded, according to data released Monday. Global average temperatures for July 2019 were on par with, and possibly marginally higher than, those for July 2016, the warmest previous July and the warmest of all months on record, said the satellite-reading Copernicus Climate Change Service.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

As an intense heat wave gripped Paris, London and Madrid, and as parts of Greenland's ice sheet melted, July 2019 became the warmest month ever recorded, according to data released Monday. Global average temperatures for July 2019 were on par with, and possibly marginally higher than, those for July 2016, the warmest previous July and the warmest of all months on record, said the satellite-reading Copernicus Climate Change Service.

It would be nice if the Media would acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the creator of the heavens and the earth, and the one who alone controls the weather, and perhaps it is time to repent for our sinful rebellion against Him.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Criminologists contend that criminals use techniques of neutralisation to help deny or justify a crime they have committed. These five techniques were first defined in 1964 from the types of arguments given by young people in the criminal justice system when justifying their actions.
Denial of responsibility – it is not the offender’s fault.
Denial of injury of harm – the crime does not cause significant harm or may have positive results.
Denial of victim – there is no clear victim.
Condemnation of the condemner – the offender criticises the criminal justice system to avoid criticism of the offender.
Appeal to higher loyalties – deviant behaviour was in aid of a greater good or to benefit someone else.


Denial of responsibility – climate change is happening, but humans aren’t the cause.
Denial of injury or harm – there’s no significant harm caused by human action and there may even be some benefits.
Denial of victim – there’s no climate change and so no victims, but if victims of climate change existed, they’d deserve to be victimized.
Condemnation of the condemner – climate change research is misrepresented by scientists, and manipulated by the media, politicians and environmentalists.
Appeal to higher loyalties – economic progress and development are more important than preventing climate change. This will help protect us from energy poverty and allow developing nations to prosper.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/climate-d...110917608.html

Great article?

Prior to this it was George Bush who was blamed for all bad weather, now it is Donald Trump, the great "Climate Denier." Oh my!

If Donald Trump wants to bring more manufacturing back to the US, where the environmental pollution regulations are the strictest on planet Earth, could it not be said that he is doing far more for the environment than Obama ever did?

[ZNPaaneah]

Post apocalyptic fiction has been moved to the Current Events section of bookstore.

[ZNPaaneah]

Global carbon dioxide concentrations reached a record of 407.4 parts per million during 2018, the study found. That is 2.4 ppm greater than 2017 and "the highest in the modern instrumental record and in ice core records dating back 800,000 years," the report said, according to CNN.


https://www.ecowatch.com/greenhouse-...1#rebelltitem1

[ZNPaaneah]

Plastic on Ice

The ice-core samples were taken by the Northwest Passage Project, a National-Science-Foundation-funded trip aboard the icebreaker Oden from July 18 to Aug. 4. The primary purpose of the expedition was to understand the impact of the climate crisis on the region, but researchers tested the ice for plastic pollution too.

Plastic has been found in Arctic sea ice before, but this summer's expedition marks the first time that researchers have observed it in ice in the Northwest Passage, the crossing through the Canadian Arctic Archipelago between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, The University of Rhode Island said.

Scientists took 18 ice cores that were as long as two meters (approximately 6.5 feet), Reuters reported. They took the samples from Canada's Lancaster Sound, which they thought would be better protected from microplastic pollution. They were wrong.

"We thought we would need quite a bit of ice to find the plastics. So we started with an entire core of ice in order to concentrate it down to see how much plastic it contained," expedition chief scientist Brice Loose told The University of Rhode Island. "As it turned out, there was so much plastic that you could look at it with your naked eye and see all of the beads, fibers and filaments just sitting there in the bottom of the containers."

https://www.ecowatch.com/plastic-pol...639834233.html

[ZNPaaneah]

World
Climate change will cripple economies regardless of countries' wealth- report
Reuters By Kate Ryan, Thomson Reuters Foundation,Reuters 2 hours 13 minutes ago

By Kate Ryan

NEW YORK, Aug 20 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Climate change will damage the economies of countries whether they are rich or poor, hot or cold by the year 2100, economists said in a new report, dispelling the notion that impoverished, warm countries will suffer the most on a warming planet.

Researchers who examined data from 174 countries over 50 years found that persistent temperature changes above or below a country's historical norm adversely affected economic growth, regardless of how warm a country is.

The United States could see a 10% loss in gross domestic product (GDP) without significant policy change.

"In the UK we had the hottest day (ever) recorded a few days ago and infrastructure came to a halt," Dr. Kamiar Mohaddes, a co-author and a professor of economics at Cambridge University told the Thomson Reuters Foundation on Tuesday.

"Trains aren't running, people aren't coping, and therefore productivity and economic growth falls."

[ZNPaaneah]

Business
'The Mountain,' costliest US property, sells for $100G, instead of $1B listing, in foreclosure auction

"The Mountain," a 157-acre parcel of land on top of the highest point in Beverly Hills and Los Angeles, which was once listed for sale at $1 billion dollars, has been sold at a foreclosure auction for only $100,000 to its lender.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Business
'The Mountain,' costliest US property, sells for $100G, instead of $1B listing, in foreclosure auction

"The Mountain," a 157-acre parcel of land on top of the highest point in Beverly Hills and Los Angeles, which was once listed for sale at $1 billion dollars, has been sold at a foreclosure auction for only $100,000 to its lender.

Has the climate become that bad in Beverly Hills? The stench of rats and feces rising from the streets of LA?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Has the climate become that bad in Beverly Hills? The stench of rats and feces rising from the streets of LA?

I think it is more that people don't want to buy a property that will burn to the ground in the next fire.

[ZNPaaneah]

The average global temperature in July was 1.71 degrees F above the 20th-century average of 60.4 degrees, making it the hottest July in the 140-year record, according to scientists at NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information.

The previous hottest month on record was July 2016. Nine of the 10 hottest recorded Julys have occurred since 2005; the last five years have ranked as the five hottest. Last month was also the 43rd consecutive July and 415th consecutive month with above-average global temperatures. https://www.yahoo.com/news/july-hott...181500082.html

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The average global temperature in July was 1.71 degrees F above the 20th-century average of 60.4 degrees, making it the hottest July in the 140-year record, according to scientists at NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information.

Let me repeat my concerns about prevailing myths of climate change.

• We have no proof that carbon emissions are the cause. I'm old enough to remember being "convinced" as a young college student that carbon emissions would result in the next "ice age." Soon, real soon! Picture woolly mammoths frozen in a block of ice.
• US fossil fuel emissions are dropping compared to the rest of the world. If our emissions were reduced to zero, global emissions would still be rising. Our geo-political rivals (China and Russia) are actively supporting cries for the US to return to the pre-industrial age.
• Based on historical Biblical records, mankind has far more evidence that climate changes are due to our disobedience, sin, and idolatry than any of our "emissions." Numerous stories exemplify how drought and rain were both used by God to cause mankind to repent.
• The weather and the climate are in the hands of God. God uses them to discipline us for our good. For us as Christians to imply that presidential policies are responsible for global warming is just wrong and irresponsible. We, myself included, should be warning all men to repent.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Let me repeat my concerns about prevailing myths of climate change.

• We have no proof that carbon emissions are the cause. I'm old enough to remember being "convinced" as a young college student that carbon emissions would result in the next "ice age." Soon, real soon! Picture woolly mammoths frozen in a block of ice.
• US fossil fuel emissions are dropping compared to the rest of the world. If our emissions were reduced to zero, global emissions would still be rising. Our geo-political rivals (China and Russia) are actively supporting cries for the US to return to the pre-industrial age.
• Based on historical Biblical records, mankind has far more evidence that climate changes are due to our disobedience, sin, and idolatry than any of our "emissions." Numerous stories exemplify how drought and rain were both used by God to cause mankind to repent.
• The weather and the climate are in the hands of God. God uses them to discipline us for our good. For us as Christians to imply that presidential policies are responsible for global warming is just wrong and irresponsible. We, myself included, should be warning all men to repent.

1. This word "proof" is really a poor word to use. We have extremely high correlation. Correlation is not proof of causation, but it is proof that two things are linked. We also have the basic chemistry that proves some gases will absorb infrared radiation (heat) and others won't. As the amount of these "greenhouse" gases increases the amount of the sun's radiant energy that is absorbed as heat increases and less is reradiated back out to space. As a result it was hypothesized that since man was adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere this would cause global warming. To study this scientists began monitoring atmospheric levels of greenhouse gases in the most remote location possible as this would be the least affected by a nearby city or factory. We have been taking measurements that are quite precise for over 50 years and these demonstrate a very powerful correlation. As we studied this further it became clear that the term "global warming" was misleading and was changed to "climate change". When the atmosphere absorbs heat energy the result is not necessarily seen as more heat, but rather as more energy. Our weather system became more energetic (larger hurricanes, more rain, bigger droughts, bigger blizzards, stronger wind, floods, etc).

One thing we have learned is that there were very well funded studies and scientists brought in to discredit the science of Climate change. They have tried their best to discover alternate explanations and have failed.

2. It is correct that US energy policies cannot solve this. Any solution that does not include Russia, China, India and Europe as well as the US is not a solution.

3. I agree that Climate change is a result of man's disobedience, I have pointed repeatedly at Solomon as the moment in time when man's disobedience led us to this.

4. I also agree these matters are in God's hands. We are on a collision course with the Great Tribulation and have been for 2,000 plus years.

[Ohio]

This is why I reject global warming . . .

[Nuclear]

That 1977 Time cover is a doctored version of a 2007 cover which says instead "The Global Warming Survival Guide."

Not a good look spreading that.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nuclear

That 1977 Time cover is a doctored version of a 2007 cover which says instead "The Global Warming Survival Guide."

Not a good look spreading that.

Reminds me of my college days when the political/environmentalist fear mongers had us all believing that the next Ice Age was rapidly upon us.

[awareness]

Those that deny climate change are not the ones exploiting the change, with new routes over the north pole, and new lands exposed for new research into energy resources. They, instead, are celebrating the change, and clamoring for it, like Russia, and other nations, setting flags, on new territory, and setting up routes over the north pole.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Those that deny climate change are not the ones exploiting the change, with new routes over the north pole, and new lands exposed for new research into energy resources. They, instead, are celebrating the change, and clamoring for it, like Russia, and other nations, setting flags, on new territory, and setting up routes over the north pole.

Nobody denies climate change. It's always been changing. Historical data tells us that.

What is rejected is the leftist politicization of the climate. Even AOC's campaign manager confessed that her "Green New Deal" was never about climate change, but a socialist takeover.

I do wish my friend awareness would use his brain concerning the Climate Cult. As he tells us ... Climate Cultists: "My brain will always be there for you. Thinking. So you don't have to."

Maybe he could answer this question: There never has been a successful Socialistic experiment in human history, so how will Bernie Sanders and AOC accomplish this in America?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Nobody denies climate change. It's always been changing. Historical data tells us that.

What is rejected is the leftist politicization of the climate. Even AOC's campaign manager confessed that her "Green New Deal" was never about climate change, but a socialist takeover.

I do wish my friend awareness would use his brain concerning the Climate Cult. As he tells us ... Climate Cultists: "My brain will always be there for you. Thinking. So you don't have to."

Maybe he could answer this question: There never has been a successful Socialistic experiment in human history, so how will Bernie Sanders and AOC accomplish this in America?

There are working models of socialized healthcare ; Canada and Britain to name a couple. They aren't perfect but better than our healthcare system, which is in shambles. Neither party has anything even on the table.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

There are working models of socialized healthcare ; Canada and Britain to name a couple. They aren't perfect but better than our healthcare system, which is in shambles. Neither party has anything even on the table.

Shambles? Really? Like hit by Syrian bombs?

Have you seen the great socialized healthcare in Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, China? Now they have great healthcare plans that work, and none of their people ever complain about them.

[Nuclear]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Shambles? Really? Like hit by Syrian bombs?

Have you seen the great socialized healthcare in Venezuela?

For first world countries the US really is sub-par in healthcare, especially for the money spent on it

[Ohio]

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Bahahahahaha !!! I love it. Blows James Ussher out of the water, and by implication, confirms Darwin. Yer a peach bro Ohio.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Bahahahahaha !!! I love it. Blows James Ussher out of the water, and by implication, confirms Darwin. Yer a peach bro Ohio.

Huh? James Usher never spoke about the age of Planet Earth. Usher only spoke of the years since Adam.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh? James Usher never spoke about the age of Planet Earth. Usher only spoke of the years since Adam.

"his [Ussher] chronology that sought to establish the time and date of the creation as "the entrance of the night preceding the 23rd day of October... the year before Christ 4004"; that is, around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC, per the proleptic Julian calendar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Huh? James Usher never spoke about the age of Planet Earth. Usher only spoke of the years since Adam.

And more.

Your Climate Change image goes back to 4.5 billion. And if you are right, that Ussher only goes back to Adam, that means Adam came along since 4.5 billion yrs ago.

That too, can be support for Darwin's evolution. Which makes evolution a grand divine act.

In other words, thank God for evolution.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

In other words, thank God for evolution.

Those who believe in evolution have no Creator, and no God, since He is the Creator of all things.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Those who believe in evolution have no Creator, and no God, since He is the Creator of all things.

Not so. Maybe to some evolutionist's, but not all.

Give this book and author a serious look :

Thank God for Evolution: How the Marriage of Science and Religion Will Transform Your Life and Our World - by Michael Dowd

https://www.amazon.com/Thank-God-Evo.../dp/0452295343

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Not so. Maybe to some evolutionist's, but not all.

Give this book and author a serious look :

Thank God for Evolution: How the Marriage of Science and Religion Will Transform Your Life and Our World - by Michael Dowd

Evolution is the greatest hoax ever inflicted upon mankind.

There are plenty of great books refuting evolution's fake science.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Evolution is the greatest hoax ever inflicted upon mankind.

That's what they said when Copernicus said the earth was not the center of the universe.

1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

[Ohio]

From GLOBAL WARMING to the next ICE AGE, can't these scientists get anything right?

Or ... as we have long been saying ... the earth has natural warming and cooling cycles.

Explosion in Antarctic sea ice levels may cause another ice age

"Upside-down "rivers" of warm ocean water may be one of the causes of Antarctica's ice shelves breaking up, leading to a rise in sea levels. But a new study suggests an increase in sea ice may lead to a much more devastating change in the Earth's climate — another ice age."

Once mankind forsakes God for their faith in "science," then we are left with the never-ending anxiety about the climate.

[Nuclear]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ION-years.html

Although experts warn about the dangerous of increased sea ice, other studies this year have found that the amount in the ocean is dwindling.

In July, NASA had announced that the ice circling Antarctic had hit an all-time low – losing an area the size of Mexico

Floating ice off the southern continent steadily increased from 1979 and hit a record high in 2014.

Three years later, the annual average extent of Antarctic sea ice hit its lowest mark, wiping out three-and-a-half decades of gains, a NASA study of satellite data shows.

That means that, since 2014, Antarctica has lost the same amount of ice as has disappeared from the Arctic in more than three decades.

A more balanced and less cherry-picked article. These simulations show that if there WERE an increase in sea ice, global cooling would be the result. However that is not the case, as has been confirmed in both the the northern Arctic and Antarctica, and so this new data is more of a useful thought-experiment rather than a prediction of the future. Unfortunately the Fox article just completely ignores this.

In addition science isn't based on faith, nor does it really have any absolutes that have to be adhered to. In fact this is one of its many advantages. When newer, better information is gained, predictions, conclusions, and theories can be adjusted. That is the foundation of science. Just because it could have been wrong in the past is no reason to throw it out entirely.

That's like saying that because Einsteins Theory of Relativity proves that Newtonian Mechanics aren't entirely accurate, you have to throw out any and all study of mechanics because it was 'wrong' one time. It should be clear how ridiculous this sort of thinking is.

[Ohio]

When I saw the recent news that former President Obama bought a $14M estate on Martha's Vineyard, 5 feet about sea level, then I knew with assurance that Global Warming, Climate Change, and the Rising Oceans was a farce -- concocted purely for political gain.

[Ohio]

Tony Hiller uses scientific data to expose the Climate Crisis Fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

[byHismercy]

That video is eye opening, Ohio. Thank you for sharing it. Skewing data with simple omission of ALL the data.....evil genius at work there! It is common knowledge with border patrol that they stop/catch 10 guys illegally crossing the border, they report only 5. Same story, different manipulation of perspective. This is why I don't follow politics. I don't trust my ability to discern the truth from the lies we are fed.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

That video is eye opening, Ohio. Thank you for sharing it. Skewing data with simple omission of ALL the data.....evil genius at work there! It is common knowledge with border patrol that they stop/catch 10 guys illegally crossing the border, they report only 5. Same story, different manipulation of perspective. This is why I don't follow politics. I don't trust my ability to discern the truth from the lies we are fed.

When it comes to the news and politics, I follow the principle that "narrow is the way that leads to life and truth." Another principle I go by is to "wait and see," since the initial reaction by the press is oftentimes the opposite of the truth.

[byHismercy]

Yes, to wait and see is wise. The disastrous hole in the ozone layer was growing larger year by year and spelled certain doom for earth and inhabitants. Listened to that for 20, 25 years. Recently caught myself wondering 'whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer??' Internet search revealed it closed itself up, without much fanfare or press coverage, apparently. Noticed the press made mention of it again this year. I think enough time has passed that they are ready to use that same scare tactic on a younger generation. I also stand on the belief that as our Lord makes all things new, we don't need to worry all that much about the planet. It will look much different someday, anyway. And he holds it all in His hand!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Yes, to wait and see is wise. The disastrous hole in the ozone layer was growing larger year by year and spelled certain doom for earth and inhabitants. Listened to that for 20, 25 years. Recently caught myself wondering 'whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer??' Internet search revealed it closed itself up, without much fanfare or press coverage, apparently. Noticed the press made mention of it again this year. I think enough time has passed that they are ready to use that same scare tactic on a younger generation. I also stand on the belief that as our Lord makes all things new, we don't need to worry all that much about the planet. It will look much different someday, anyway. And he holds it all in His hand!

Great point about the ozone. That hoax helped Clinton and Gore take the White House in 1992.

I'm old enough to remember the scare tactics used during my teens -- we were on the edge of the next Ice Age. The 60's were pretty cold and "leading scientists" used their predictions to scare us all. They would use pictures of whooly mammoths to reinforce the pending apocalyptic freeze. They had "overwhelming evidence" that CO2 emissions were to blame. Now they are actively hiding those false predictions as bad science.

The earth is the Lord's. He completely controls the weather and the climate. We should trust in Him. Our real problem today is not climate change but unbelief and rejection of God. Once the truth of God is banished from society, mankind is gullible to swallow all sorts of nonsense.

[Nuclear]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Yes, to wait and see is wise. The disastrous hole in the ozone layer was growing larger year by year and spelled certain doom for earth and inhabitants. Listened to that for 20, 25 years. Recently caught myself wondering 'whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer??' Internet search revealed it closed itself up, without much fanfare or press coverage, apparently. Noticed the press made mention of it again this year. I think enough time has passed that they are ready to use that same scare tactic on a younger generation. I also stand on the belief that as our Lord makes all things new, we don't need to worry all that much about the planet. It will look much different someday, anyway. And he holds it all in His hand!

The thing you've entirely skipped over with the Ozone layer is that it didn't close up by itself. Chemical such as CFC's which were used as refrigerants, think air conditioners, fridges, industrial coolants, etc. where found to be directly responsible for ozone depletion. These were therefore aggressively phased to the point of non-use in all of these applications by about 1980-1990, and as a result the ozone layer made what is essentially a full recovery by the 21st century.

Again its really, really important to note this didn't happen by itself. At all. Like not even a little bit. You don't hear about it anymore because it was fixed with aggressive action. The same needs to be done about greenhouse gases today.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nuclear

The thing you've entirely skipped over with the Ozone layer is that it didn't close up by itself. Chemical such as CFC's which were used as refrigerants, think air conditioners, fridges, industrial coolants, etc. where found to be directly responsible for ozone depletion. These were therefore aggressively phased to the point of non-use in all of these applications by about 1980-1990, and as a result the ozone layer made what is essentially a full recovery by the 21st century.

Again its really, really important to note this didn't happen by itself. At all. Like not even a little bit. You don't hear about it anymore because it was fixed with aggressive action. The same needs to be done about greenhouse gases today.

I'm not buying this. They can make science "prove" just about anything they want to. Like evolution. And climate change.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by awareness

. . . . They aren't perfect but better than our healthcare system, which is in shambles.

Not really. Sure it has problems. But virtually everything in which man has anything to do with has problems.

But if it is in shambles, why do the rich of the world keep coming to the US for serious surgeries?

The two biggest problems with our system are:

1. Cost. Some of that is because we want the best and that isn't cheap. Some of it is because we have (wrongly) decided that medicine is a commodity with no uncertainties or risks so we demand perfect results or excessive compensation for less-than-perfect results.

2. An attitude that if an option exists, I should have access to it. And somebody else should pay. That means that if we (rightly) think we should provide helthcare for little or no cost to the truly poor, we must somehow rein-in the presumption that all efforts must always be made. That is a tough one because that means that despite the fact that we could keep an indigent person on life support for years, some lesser effort that allows the normal course of life might be the better answer. And that is a decision no one wants to make. And why we can't seem to keep from overspending on everyone (including ourselves).