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03-28-2021, 07:26 AM | #1001 |
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Re: How Much To Throw Out?
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Back to the start of the thread (and probably repeating myself years later), throw it all out. I don't mean to not believe in Christ. I am not saying that there is nothing right/correct in LC teaching. But to the extent it is there, it is encapsulated within lies, false teachings, and deception. To the extent that you are in any way unsure that it is good teaching, you should seek confirmation from a source wholly unconnected with and unpromoted by the LC. I recommend no singular source. And I dismiss few (only the LC and others like them that declare theirs the only way, and their interpretations and teachings to be uniquely correct).
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03-28-2021, 08:12 AM | #1002 | |
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So we love the saints in the system, but hate the enslaving system they're in.
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03-28-2021, 06:12 PM | #1003 | |
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It was a healthy dose of just such nonsense that had many of us thinking we were the best thing since sliced bread just because we could make such unique statements about so many things. Reminds me that several years ago one of my nephews made some comment to the effect that saying it better made the experience better. I asked him point-blank if he really believed that and he was absolutley sure of it. We kind of agreed to do a real serious "debate" to flesh-out such an idea, but I never heard back from him even after setting up a private blog in which we could undertake the process without a bunch of pretentious onlookers muddying the discussion. Oh to be young and so much smarter than all those old people whose minds have gone to mush (like they must have thought about mine). I somewhat miss the real theological discussions that used to go on here. But even when they did, there were always too many people who jumped past real discussion to some conclusion and were ready to get out the tar and feathers for someone. One of the reasons you don't see so much of me anymore. Despite some family still there, I have so little connection to them since we left in '87 that most of the current "social" issues are not as relevant to me.
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05-07-2021, 02:50 PM | #1004 |
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I think I should throw out the concept that WL’s motive for ministry was to help Christians understand the Bible. I came to this conclusion just today after reading the following comment a friend had written in the margin of a book he gave me.
“There are those who fervently study the Bible coming at it with a theory to prove. If we approach the Bible in this manner then everything we read is controlled by it.” I believe WL’s motive for ministry was to propagate whatever “controlling vision” he divined. How many “controlling visions” did the man have? This comment came from a 90 year old brother who spent his life living with and translating the Bible into a local native language in Bolivia. The book was “Studies in the Sermon on the Mount”, by D. Martin Lloyd-Jones.
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10-01-2021, 10:44 AM | #1005 |
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Spouse and I just sent this email to our pastors.
"Dear Pastors: xxxxxx and I would like to warn you about a cultish sect of Christianity that sponsors the club "xxx Christians on Campus", which is the recruitment arm of "The Lord's Recovery", often known as "The Local Churches", and sponsored by a book publishing company known as "Living Stream Ministry". All of these were started by Witness Lee, now deceased, and currently managed by a group of men who were his disciples known as the "being blended brothers". They are an insular group who have separated themselves from "Christless Christianity", but who seek to recruit young college freshmen into their movement known as "The Lord's Recovery". This group is dangerous because it has shipwrecked the faith of many by convincing them that God only sanctifies Christians in their group and if you leave the "Lord's Recover" you will have no way to go on with the Lord. They equate the writings of Witness Lee with that of scripture and have been very successful at deceiving many Christians into believing that their "Local Churches" are the only God-approved churches in a city. If you have been contacted by the lead elder in the "Church in xxxx", xxxx, or the full-time campus ministers xxxx and xxxx xxx or the new campus workers xxxx and xxxx wanting to "fellowship" with you about their campus work with "Christians on Campus" xxxxx and I urge you to pray and seek the Lord for his discernment. Norman Geisler along with 70 other evangelical scholars have written an open letter to the leaders of "The Lord's Recovery" documenting several doctrinal errors and urging them to repent. http://www.open-letter.org/ We have many years experience with this sect of Christianity, and xxxx xxxxx is also informed about this group and has tried to help both xxxx and xxxxx before they "left Christianity" and joined "The Lord's Recovery" by enrolling in Living Stream Ministry's two-year "Full-time Training Program" (their version of Bible College). This young couple has returned to xxxxx to work full-time at xxx and xxx to recruit freshmen into their sect. We wanted to make sure this group was on your radar screen in case you have been contacted by their leaders or have college freshmen that seek you for counsel about "Christians on Campus". We can provide personal testimony, and direct you to additional online information about this group if you need to do further investigation. Sincerely, xxxxx
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10-01-2021, 10:59 AM | #1006 |
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Thanks for sharing that letter, HERn! I thought it quite balanced and based in sound fact and reasoning (not venturing into the caustic, accusatory realm). The more I go on in the freedom of the Lord, the more I see how controlling and legalistic that group was and evidently still is.
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10-01-2021, 02:52 PM | #1007 | |
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10-02-2021, 11:09 AM | #1008 | |
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10-09-2021, 11:00 AM | #1009 |
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Please suggest where I could fellowship without any leaven? Certainly not with ambitious and divisive brothers.
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10-09-2021, 11:05 AM | #1010 | |
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10-10-2021, 02:29 AM | #1011 | |
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When WN was in "dead religion" he wanted freedom, to follow his conscience and the truths as he saw them. But as soon as he got a following he denied others those same freedoms. Now, the buzz word in the LC is "restrictions". But WN and WL weren't restricted, were they? When WL wanted to create a for-profit motorhome company, and to put his son in charge, no problem. He called special meetings and told church members about the new investment opportunities. But if anyone has had issues with these kinds of conflicts of interest, then they've been called ambitious and divisive, etc etc. Most people can see through all this, pretty quickly. Only naďve teenagers on college campus, who are barely more than children, and those whose perceptions have been dulled by incessant repetitive chanting will think everything's okay. The rest realize that something's very off but they got "wrecked and ruined" and now can't get out. Do you remember those words? "I got wrecked" for the Lord's recovery. Common sense, to follow one's conscience and inner voice, all got ship-wrecked.
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10-10-2021, 07:42 AM | #1012 |
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What area are you located in?
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10-10-2021, 08:17 AM | #1013 |
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No need to reveal what location you are in unregistered, unless you want to.
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10-10-2021, 08:29 AM | #1014 |
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That’s something I wouldn’t dream of doing.
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10-10-2021, 08:57 AM | #1015 |
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10-10-2021, 10:22 AM | #1016 |
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I’m sure leaven can be found almost everywhere among the teachers of Christ’s sheep. To me the amazing thing about leaven is its asymmetry between size and effect. We are told that even a small amount of leaven can have a profound effect upon the whole lump (church). For example, the leavenous teaching that Witness Lee is something more than a member of the Body of Christ has created a whole system of error known as The Lord’s Recovery sponsored by Living Stream Ministry supported by the giving of the members in the Local Churches. Given the fallen nature of man the Lord’s Recovery provides a place for ambitious and divisive brothers to hide under the covering of being absolute for the ministry of Witness Lee. I think it’s safer to be absolute for Christ alone. I’m throwing out the teaching that Witness Lee was more than just a member of the body of Christ.
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10-10-2021, 11:18 AM | #1017 | |
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Also, there are groups that fellowship a lot online via Zoom, etc.
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10-10-2021, 12:43 PM | #1018 |
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"We are told that even a small amount of leaven can have a profound effect upon the whole lump (church). "
To be correct, i do not thing lump is church. Church are people. Lump is good food. This is Word of God. It corresponds with all verses. May be this is not big deal, but Jesus said about deliberately falsifying a Word for their own gain. Our food, lump should be free of any additional element of the man. Pharisee's wrk was to teach people. So conclusion is clear. |
07-18-2022, 09:28 PM | #1019 |
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I’m sorry you lost a son. I have three and could not imagine the grief of losing one. How did he pass?
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08-19-2023, 12:43 PM | #1020 | |
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To me it's interesting that the Chief Theology Officer of LSM would use those exact words. Following is Cayce's quote: "As we live and move and have our being in Him, so He is the supply…..whether it be material, mental or spiritual. For these are the representations of the Godhead within the awareness or consciousness of the individual, - the Body is the Father, the Mind is the Christ, or son, the Soul is the Holy Spirit through which all approach is made. For even as the Spirit moved, matter came into being. So as the Mind became the way, the truth, the light in materiality, - as we apply same in our experiences day by day we become aware of His Presence." Source: https://www.atlanticuniv.edu/media/5...elingasfg1.pdf Scroll to page 106. Title of source: Bible Study Paralleling Search For God I Study Group Lesson on “In His Presence” and the 14th Chapter of John Verses 1 through 21
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08-19-2023, 10:02 PM | #1021 | |
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https://localchurchdiscussions.com/v...ead.php?t=6847 There used to be videos online so you could actually see/hear Ron saying it, but the links on the thread are no longer valid. Trapped |
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