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Old 11-16-2017, 09:22 PM   #2001
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Oh it was sweet. If you are abused you have to go to 30 days of counseling, no doubt counseling similar to the "can't we all just get along" and "think of all the people that will be harmed" counseling. If you still wish to pursue a lawsuit you then need 30 days of mediation -- attempt to buy your silence at a fraction of the cost. Finally, if you still wish to pursue it you need a 30 day cooling off period.

The beauty of this is that there is a 180 day deadline to file. So if someone hesitated for a month or two before starting this process this required cooling off period could literally make it mute.

Finally, if you do sue and win the money is paid by a government fund and not by the offending party! Imagine if LSM had a slush fund to pay for PL's indiscretions!
So, Roy Moore was the needle that lanced this boil.
Perhaps LSM did have such a fund, plus they had the legal defense team to go after the victims.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:09 AM   #2003
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... lol ...

I shouldn't laugh. When I was a kid I helped my uncle load up a manure spreader with cow manure from the barn. Then he pulled it up next to our outhouse, and scooped up the outhouse contents, the human fecal matter, and put that into the manure spreader.

Then he spread that all over our garden. It grossed me out. But I've never tasted better tomatoes.

I hope the best for these North Korean farm workers.
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... lol ...

I shouldn't laugh. When I was a kid I helped my uncle load up a manure spreader with cow manure from the barn. Then he pulled it up next to our outhouse, and scooped up the outhouse contents, the human fecal matter, and put that into the manure spreader.

Then he spread that all over our garden. It grossed me out. But I've never tasted better tomatoes.

I hope the best for these North Korean farm workers.
I once worked at a facility as the groundskeeper when I was in High school and they had great tasting blackberries. Later I learned these bushes were over the septic tank.

We should separate food we eat from our fecal matter. He could have used the human fecal matter to fertilize flowers that were sold. This can be a very good cash crop without endangering the population.

Surely if they have the technology to make an ICBM with a Hydrogen bomb they know this.
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Thanks for ruining my lunch.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:08 PM   #2006
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I read that article. Pretty sad.

This North Korean soldier? tried to defect to the South, and they shot him 5 times. They opened him up and found parasitic worms not yet known to medical science.

Have a nice lunch!
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I read that article. Pretty sad.

This North Korean soldier? tried to defect to the South, and they shot him 5 times. They opened him up and found parasitic worms not yet known to medical science.

Have a nice lunch!
I feel sorry for the people of North Korea. They are living in a personality cult that makes the personality cult of the local church look like innocent child's play. Sure we had marches, and all dressed the same in gospel robes. But I don't recall goosestepping.
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I feel sorry for the people of North Korea. They are living in a personality cult that makes the personality cult of the local church look like innocent child's play. Sure we had marches, and all dressed the same in gospel robes. But I don't recall goosestepping.
They have entire prison cities with multiple generations that have never known freedom or a decent meal. Nothing to joke about.

I have read that the simple gospel of Jesus Christ is the hope of many.
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They have entire prison cities with multiple generations that have never known freedom or a decent meal. Nothing to joke about.

I have read that the simple gospel of Jesus Christ is the hope of many.
That's where the apocalyptical Jesus cries out loud and clear ; to the downcast, persecuted, suffering, and hopeless

North Koreans, just like in China today, I've read, where people have little or no hope, the idea that Jesus will return, ring in the kingdom of God, and end all hunger, disease, and suffering, has very strong and successful appeal. I've read hordes in China are flocking to groups and movements preaching the end times.

What's sad is that grifters and con artists see the end times as an opportunity to get rich, off those that are just looking for hope.

That's enough to turn any sober minded person off to end times preaching. Harold Camping comes to mind ($95 million). And Jim Bakker, with his $1500.00 End Time Survival Food Buckets.
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That's where the apocalyptical Jesus cries out loud and clear ; to the downcast, persecuted, suffering, and hopeless

North Koreans, just like in China today, I've read, where people have little or no hope, the idea that Jesus will return, ring in the kingdom of God, and end all hunger, disease, and suffering, has very strong and successful appeal. I've read hordes in China are flocking to groups and movements preaching the end times.

What's sad is that grifters and con artists see the end times as an opportunity to get rich, off those that are just looking for hope.

That's enough to turn any sober minded person off to end times preaching. Harold Camping comes to mind ($95 million). And Jim Bakker, with his $1500.00 End Time Survival Food Buckets.
No one is getting rich off these prisoners in NoKo.
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The Roy Moore smear job was poorly planned by WaPo.

They have given him far too much time to rebut the allegations, and too much time for others to come forward as character' witnesses.

Roy Moore announces 12 testimonials from women affirming his character

It's looking like Clarence Thomas deja vu.

The left pulled out all stops with famed lawyer Gloria Allred representing the latest of Moore's "victims." Finally they produced their first "real evidence."

Turns out their Class Yearbook signature was a total forgery. Roy Moore/da was NOT Roy Moore/district attorney, but Roy Moore/Debra Adams. As is customary, his secretary signed for him, and these idiots just lifted the signature onto the Class Yearbook.

Unbelievably stupid. Reminds me of that "legit" Bush letter discovered by disgraced anchor Dan Rather of CBS. Turned out to have proportional spacing before it was even invented.

I wonder when those who called Roy Moore a "pig" will be willing to reconsider?
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The Roy Moore smear job was poorly planned by WaPo.

They have given him far too much time to rebut the allegations, and too much time for others to come forward as character' witnesses.

Roy Moore announces 12 testimonials from women affirming his character

It's looking like Clarence Thomas deja vu.

The left pulled out all stops with famed lawyer Gloria Allred representing the latest of Moore's "victims." Finally they produced their first "real evidence."

Turns out their Class Yearbook signature was a total forgery. Roy Moore/da was NOT Roy Moore/district attorney, but Roy Moore/Debra Adams. As is customary, his secretary signed for him, and these idiots just lifted the signature onto the Class Yearbook.

Unbelievably stupid. Reminds me of that "legit" Bush letter discovered by disgraced anchor Dan Rather of CBS. Turned out to have proportional spacing before it was even invented.

I wonder when those who called Roy Moore a "pig" will be willing to reconsider?
Wait, Roy Moore's secretary signed a student's yearbook and put in the restaurant where he was flirting with this waitress?

The issue with Roy Moore is that there is no crime that can be prosecuted. Either the event was too long ago, too little evidence or was not criminal.

No, the issue is character. If you are OK with a 30+ year old man cruising the mall to pick up teenagers, then this is a non issue. Other than the 14 year old girl there is no allegation of criminal behavior (as far as I have heard).
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Wait, Roy Moore's secretary signed a student's yearbook and put in the restaurant where he was flirting with this waitress?

The issue with Roy Moore is that there is no crime that can be prosecuted. Either the event was too long ago, too little evidence or was not criminal.

No, the issue is character. If you are OK with a 30+ year old man cruising the mall to pick up teenagers, then this is a non issue. Other than the 14 year old girl there is no allegation of criminal behavior (as far as I have heard).
I'm not OK with predatory behavior by Moore. Neither was I OK with the accusations by Professor Anita Hill against Clarence Thomas. (There are other cases like this too.)

My point is and has been that the allegations are false.

The Democrats have an unhealthy advantage in our political system. When accusations come against them, i.e. Franken, Clinton, etc., they never resign and their caucus rallies around them. The Republicans, however, receiving similar accusations are expected to resign, while the rest of their party throws them under the bus. It has been rightly said that Moore's biggest problem is his party affiliation.
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Church leaders say Roy Moore is 'infected by a false Christian religious virus' as they hold a rally in Alabama arguing he is unfit for US Senate
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I'm not OK with predatory behavior by Moore. Neither was I OK with the accusations by Professor Anita Hill against Clarence Thomas. (There are other cases like this too.)

My point is and has been that the allegations are false.

The Democrats have an unhealthy advantage in our political system. When accusations come against them, i.e. Franken, Clinton, etc., they never resign and their caucus rallies around them. The Republicans, however, receiving similar accusations are expected to resign, while the rest of their party throws them under the bus. It has been rightly said that Moore's biggest problem is his party affiliation.
I have not seen anything that would confirm the claims are false. Even the claim which you make that the DA's secretary wrote in this girls yearbook on behalf of her boss, writing the name of the restaurant. That to me does not indicate lying but a confirmation of the key points. He was flirting with a waitress at this restaurant, he knew she was in HS (hence the yearbook).

The fact that this happened about 40 years ago is more than enough for me to think she could have forgotten that the Secretary signed it for the boss.

The only thing I would concede is that there has not been any proof of criminal behavior, only the appearance. Also, none of the claims will result in criminal charges.
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I have not seen anything that would confirm the claims are false. Even the claim which you make that the DA's secretary wrote in this girls yearbook on behalf of her boss, writing the name of the restaurant. That to me does not indicate lying but a confirmation of the key points. He was flirting with a waitress at this restaurant, he knew she was in HS (hence the yearbook).

The fact that this happened about 40 years ago is more than enough for me to think she could have forgotten that the Secretary signed it for the boss.

The only thing I would concede is that there has not been any proof of criminal behavior, only the appearance. Also, none of the claims will result in criminal charges.
Neither Roy Moore nor his secretary wrote in her Yearbook.

The signature was lifted off the divorce decree the woman had.

She (and her helpers?) thought it meant "Roy Moore/district attorney" so she used it and forged the rest. She used Atty. Gloria Allred for "legitimacy."

When Moore challenged the accusations, demanded to see the original copy of the yearbook, the accuser tried to disappear into the night.

Then the accuser's stepson said she did it all for the money. Bezos, via WaPo, via their field operatives, have been dangling cash throughout Alabama.

I smell a rat. Many rats. Someone said Mitch McConnell might be involved.
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I looked but couldn't find those stalwarts of moral character, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, in the photo.
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NEWS FLASH

Purportedly Moore’s main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces, filed for bankruptcy three times, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors.

Posts on Moore's FB page indicate that Corfman, has claimed several pastors at various churches made sexual advances at her.
Roy Moore accusations unraveling..

Apparently Moore's accuser has a history of making up stories and dropping them after her pockets are filled with cash.

Regarding the only other woman to have made claims of sexual improprieties over Moore’s entire life, Beverly Nelson, her step-son-in-law recently came forward and stated in no uncertain terms that he believes that she is lying, that he had never heard this story regarding Moore before, and that his father is now divorced from Beverly Nelson BECAUSE she is a serial liar. He went even further, and said he would not be surprised if she is receiving money for what he believes to be a fabrication.
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Neither Roy Moore nor his secretary wrote in her Yearbook.

The signature was lifted off the divorce decree the woman had.

She (and her helpers?) thought it meant "Roy Moore/district attorney" so she used it and forged the rest. She used Atty. Gloria Allred for "legitimacy."

When Moore challenged the accusations, demanded to see the original copy of the yearbook, the accuser tried to disappear into the night.

Then the accuser's stepson said she did it all for the money. Bezos, via WaPo, via their field operatives, have been dangling cash throughout Alabama.

I smell a rat. Many rats. Someone said Mitch McConnell might be involved.
If this is true then he needs to sue them for libel and forgery. It would be an easy thing to prove and it would do much more than exonerate him, it would demonstrate the vile political machinations that are going on.

However, if he does not sue, then I will merely believe this is a tale being spun with no repercussions since the allegations will never go to trial.
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NEWS FLASH

Purportedly Moore’s main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces, filed for bankruptcy three times, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors.

Posts on Moore's FB page indicate that Corfman, has claimed several pastors at various churches made sexual advances at her.
Roy Moore accusations unraveling..

Apparently Moore's accuser has a history of making up stories and dropping them after her pockets are filled with cash.

Regarding the only other woman to have made claims of sexual improprieties over Moore’s entire life, Beverly Nelson, her step-son-in-law recently came forward and stated in no uncertain terms that he believes that she is lying, that he had never heard this story regarding Moore before, and that his father is now divorced from Beverly Nelson BECAUSE she is a serial liar. He went even further, and said he would not be surprised if she is receiving money for what he believes to be a fabrication.
And that goes for all 16 accusers of Trump. Essentially, if it's against a republican they are all lies. But if against a democrat they are all true.

Bahahahahaha.
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And that goes for all 16 accusers of Trump. Essentially, if it's against a republican they are all lies. But if against a democrat they are all true.

Bahahahahaha.
There's hope for you, bro!

But ... we got pics of Franken. We have no evidence of Moore.

Still no evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians?
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Presidential historian states "The fish rots from the head and the stench of this administration starts at the very top." https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16643...-investigation
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Presidential historian states "The fish rots from the head and the stench of this administration starts at the very top." https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16643...-investigation
Too funny.

Where was this liberal "historian" for the last 8 years?

Today's "swamp" is the rot which Barry O. gave us.
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Presidential historian states "The fish rots from the head and the stench of this administration starts at the very top." https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16643...-investigation
"This administration is a low point in our history" -- Wow!

The assassination of JFK was not a low point?

The Great depression was not a low point?

The Civil War was not a low point?

Slavery was not a low point?

KKK and carpet baggers were not a low point?

Is this guy for real?
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Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010
While a senator :
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Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010
While a senator :
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politi...010/index.html
And old Joe Biden will never again snuggle up with another young and pretty "constituent."
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"This administration is a low point in our history" -- Wow!

The assassination of JFK was not a low point?

The Great depression was not a low point?

The Civil War was not a low point?

Slavery was not a low point?

KKK and carpet baggers were not a low point?

Is this guy for real?
He said "a" low point, not "THE" low point. Therefore, all of the points that you mention can also be low points.

As for the history of the government, the administrative branch in particular, and the presidency even more so, it is very clearly A low point in our history.

Either you can't understand the English language, or you are ready to fight against whatever certain people say and will recharacterize what they say to suit your agenda. Take your pick. I can't figure out any more alternative explanations for the stupidity of your rants.

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He said "a" low point, not "THE" low point. Therefore, all of the points that you mention can also be low points.

As for the history of the government, the administrative branch in particular, and the presidency even more so, it is very clearly A low point in our history.

Either you can't understand the English language, or you are ready to fight against whatever certain people say and will recharacterize what they say to suit your agenda. Take your pick. I can't figure out any more alternative explanations for the stupidity of your rants.

Are you for real?
Did I miss something? What scandal with Trump has been confirmed? Not interested in allegations, hearsay, or potential outcomes because if he is for real in comparing them to previous scandals in the US we have plenty that have been confirmed.


My point is that we have come a very long way from slavery and only men voting. This has been over the last 200 years. I didn't even mention things like the Boston Massacre where you weren't even allowed to disagree publicly with the Crown without being vilified or even charged with treason. So yes, any little dip in the road can be seen as "a low point". Once taken to the extreme it is meaningless. Yes I am for real. Trump is a very incompetent politician. One of his "flaws" is that he says the same things they say, only in public. If you listen to the Nixon tapes or view Johnson's transcripts there is nothing particularly "low" with Trump other than this language is public.

"Dallek estimates that historical examples of corruption, like that of the Warren G. Harding administration, don’t hold a candle to how Trump and his people have conducted themselves in the White House."

Once again I disagree. We have allegations of corruption, but until there are convictions it is absurd to say these allegations are worse than previously confirmed cases of corruption. I consider that 911 was the biggest government scandal in our history, though others will certainly disagree, though those who disagree rarely if ever have studied the case in detail. I also consider JFK's assassination right up there with 911. Once again, perhaps others disagree. I consider the Box 13 scandal to be every bit as heinous as the worst allegations made so far. The worst possible allegations about Trump was that he stole the election. We know this was a fact with LBJ. The Teapot dome scandal and the horrendous conditions in meat packing houses revealed in "The Jungle" are certainly worse than anything we have confirmed today. Trump's worst statements cannot hold a candle to the accepted behavior during the time of slavery. The public debates in the Senate and house were far worse than anything Trump has said.

Now if Trump starts a nuclear war with North Korea then OK, it will rank up there with Johnson escalating the Vietnam war after the JFK assassination, or with the bogus reason we went to war based on the make believe attack on our Navy. However, you can't blame trump for North Korea getting a hydrogen bomb and an ICBM. Also, if this didn't cross the line we drew in the sand (again not Trump) then nothing does. So if we do go to war with North Korea I would put some of the responsibility on all of the preceding administrations that led up to this.

What is truly unprecedented is how partisan and insulting the discourse is in the news. This change began after JFK was killed, got worse with LBJ's amping up the Vietnam war, got a boost with Watergate, and has become absolutely toxic since the mortgage crisis.

It is too soon to say that Trump is our worst president ever, and so far the evidence would not support that though who knows how it will all end. To me this 24 hour news cycle and desperation to fill every minute with controversial dialogue is what is unprecedented and the worst and nothing in our past holds a candle to it. Eliminate everyone of Trump's tweets and all you have are a few major foot in the mouth issues and gaffes, something all too common to every politician.
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We went to war with Iraq over the 911 incident. Our president justified this because of Weapons of Mass destruction. This war cost us more than $1 Trillion. There were no weapons of mass destruction, it was a lie. How many people were killed or injured because of this lie? How can anyone compare anything Trump has done to that? Are they for real?

The worst allegation about Trump is that he colluded with the Russians to win the election. Certainly you realize that previous presidents like Reagan were bought and owned by the Oil industry and that it was in defense of the oil industry that we went to war in Iraq twice and spent over $1 trillion.

How can anything Trump has done so far compare to that? Are they for real?
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He said "a" low point, not "THE" low point. Therefore, all of the points that you mention can also be low points.

As for the history of the government, the administrative branch in particular, and the presidency even more so, it is very clearly A low point in our history.

Either you can't understand the English language, or you are ready to fight against whatever certain people say and will recharacterize what they say to suit your agenda. Take your pick. I can't figure out any more alternative explanations for the stupidity of your rants.

Are you for real?
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

You been watching too much of CNN -- the Clinton News Network.

MSM has made things toxic. Look at those kids from UCLA. They could have suffered the fate of Otto Warbling, but instead Trump got them released. Then they, nor their parents, don't even have the courtesy to even thank him. Reminds me of the 9 Lepers Jesus healed.

The MSM has manufactured every scandal in the news -- from the Russian collusion to Melania's stiletto's. Even noted Liberal Jimmy Carter noted how badly Trump has been treated.

Except for Martin Luther and John Ingalls, I have never seen any one take such a beating and keep going.

Take every news hit job against Trump and Co. and compare it to Clinton, Obama, and Comey selling Uranium reserves to Putin.
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We went to war with Iraq over the 911 incident. Our president justified this because of Weapons of Mass destruction. This war cost us more than $1 Trillion. There were no weapons of mass destruction, it was a lie. How many people were killed or injured because of this lie? How can anyone compare anything Trump has done to that? Are they for real?
Wait a minute. We have indisputable evidence that he gassed the Kurds.

Last I checked chemicals are WMD.
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Wait a minute. We have indisputable evidence that he gassed the Kurds.

Last I checked chemicals are WMD.
Yes, and if Bush and Cheney had tried to sell a war with Iraq based on the very few and old chemical weapons we found it never would have sold. Instead they did everything they could to convince us he had a secret nuclear program. The facts are simple:

1. Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

2. Colin Powell sold us on the threat of them getting Nuclear weapons. It was bogus and he later felt he had been misled. This is what I was referring to as "it was a lie".

3. Those tasked with finding the WMD's felt they were mismanaged.

What we did find was not a legitimate reason to start this trillion dollar war. If our true concern was the gas why didn't we do something after they gassed the Kurds, why wait?

By the way, has the war ever ended?
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Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

You been watching too much of CNN -- the Clinton News Network.

MSM has made things toxic. Look at those kids from UCLA. They could have suffered the fate of Otto Warbling, but instead Trump got them released. Then they, nor their parents, don't even have the courtesy to even thank him. Reminds me of the 9 Lepers Jesus healed.

The MSM has manufactured every scandal in the news -- from the Russian collusion to Melania's stiletto's. Even noted Liberal Jimmy Carter noted how badly Trump has been treated.

Except for Martin Luther and John Ingalls, I have never seen any one take such a beating and keep going.

Take every news hit job against Trump and Co. and compare it to Clinton, Obama, and Comey selling Uranium reserves to Putin.
Really despicable this lack of thanks. The father said "he has seen much worse than shoplifting" -- what does that mean? Is he saying that stealing is no big deal?
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It is too soon to say that Trump is our worst president ever, . . .
But he sure is a lot of fun. And his twitter obsession sure keeps thing lively. He's been a boon to the late night show comedians, and many others.

It's just that it seems he has an itchy trigger finger for The Button, that rattles me.

Other than that I'm beginning to think that it's great to have a clown as our president.

All eyes on Trump. He loves that. He'll even inflate it, he needs it so badly. Still, Trump intrudes everywhere we look. If only we could stop looking.
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But he sure is a lot of fun. And his twitter obsession sure keeps thing lively. He's been a boon to the late night show comedians, and many others.

It's just that it seems he has an itchy trigger finger for The Button, that rattles me.

Other than that I'm beginning to think that it's great to have a clown as our president.

All eyes on Trump. He loves that. He'll even inflate it, he needs it so badly. Still, Trump intrudes everywhere we look. If only we could stop looking.
Funny the way Alfred Hitchcock was, simply to break the tension in the midst of the horror.
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“If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, ‘Hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it’s true.’”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009
That guy and Ohio probably won't believe that before Donald Trump was elected president, some of his business partners on Trump-branded hotels and condos and the Miss Universe pageant were oligarchs from Russia and former Soviet bloc countries who kept a lot of their money hidden in the secret world of shell companies. But, the Panama Papers and now the Paradise Papers show that it's true.
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Yes, and if Bush and Cheney had tried to sell a war with Iraq based on the very few and old chemical weapons we found it never would have sold. Instead they did everything they could to convince us he had a secret nuclear program. The facts are simple:

1. Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

2. Colin Powell sold us on the threat of them getting Nuclear weapons. It was bogus and he later felt he had been misled. This is what I was referring to as "it was a lie".

3. Those tasked with finding the WMD's felt they were mismanaged.

What we did find was not a legitimate reason to start this trillion dollar war. If our true concern was the gas why didn't we do something after they gassed the Kurds, why wait?

By the way, has the war ever ended?
For the record, in hindsight, I think the Iraq war was all wrong.

Personally I felt that Dubya was fooled by a few Iraqi academic refugees (non muslem) that the Iraqi people would embrace democracy, given the chance. Perhaps the Kurds or Yazidis might, but never the Sunni Muslims. I'd like to know what influence Bush 41 had on the decision.

And what's with these people in power? Every day another girl comes forth with accusations. Apparently Bush 41 can't keep his hands to himself!

Now we hear Charlie Rose is included also.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009

Huff Post is trying to restore their credibility with this piece?
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The GOP is using the Trump tactic of accusing their opponents of their own weaknesses. The object is to create a false equivalency in the minds of public. They seek to divert attention from their vulnerabilities and normalize their corrupt and sociopathic behaviors. By attacking Franken, they hope to muddy the water enough to slide Moore through.
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The GOP is using the Trump tactic of accusing their opponents of their own weaknesses. The object is to create a false equivalency in the minds of public. They seek to divert attention from their vulnerabilities and normalize their corrupt and sociopathic behaviors. By attacking Franken, they hope to muddy the water enough to slide Moore through.
Or perhaps finally the dem/libs are being exposed for who they really are.

Weinstein, Clinton, Franken, today Charlie Rose, tomorrow John Conyer.

Just keep throwing those large-worded mud-balls at Trump to divert attention from the truth.
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Or perhaps finally the dem/libs are being exposed for who they really are.

Weinstein, Clinton, Franken, today there are plty Charlie Rose, tomorrow John Conyer.

Just keep throwing those large-worded mud-balls at Trump to divert attention from the truth.
No doubt there are plenty of instances of sexual harassment by Dems and libs. That doesn't exonerate or give a pass to Trump or Moore. Why don't they apologize like Bush, Franken and now Rose have done? Isn't that the Christian thing to do?
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I read that article. Pretty sad.

This North Korean soldier? tried to defect to the South, and they shot him 5 times. They opened him up and found parasitic worms not yet known to medical science.

Have a nice lunch!
This soldier was a member of an elite guard. Sun Tzu said you could see the condition of the entire army from a single soldier. I think it is safe to conclude that these parasites will be wide spread, maybe even the majority of the country. What we are going to see is our special ops kick into high gear trying to get someone to overthrow Kim Jong Un. The deal will probably be -- overthrow Kim, dismantle the nuclear program and China will come in with aid, fertilizer, health care, and the US will lift all the sanctions. It is a dangerous time to be a madman.
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Republicans are out to rig the tax system to benefit big corporations and wealthy individuals even more than it already is. The Joint Committee on Taxation found that over the next ten years, Trump's tax plan will raise taxes for households making less than $75,000 a year. It will instantly trigger $400 billion in automatic cuts to Medicare in the next ten years, including $25 billion in the first year alone. I would think this would be a heavy blow to a lot of the people who voted for Trump.
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No doubt there are plenty of instances of sexual harassment by Dems and libs. That doesn't exonerate or give a pass to Trump or Moore. Why don't they apologize like Bush, Franken and now Rose have done? Isn't that the Christian thing to do?
Personally, I don't think Moore has anything to apologize for. I think it's a smear job taking advantage of our present climate. He is not the first conservative to be victimized. Should Clarence Thomas apologize to Professor Hill?

As far as Trump apologizing as a Christian, good luck on both counts.
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This soldier was a member of an elite guard. Sun Tzu said you could see the condition of the entire army from a single soldier. I think it is safe to conclude that these parasites will be wide spread, maybe even the majority of the country. What we are going to see is our special ops kick into high gear trying to get someone to overthrow Kim Jong Un. The deal will probably be -- overthrow Kim, dismantle the nuclear program and China will come in with aid, fertilizer, health care, and the US will lift all the sanctions. It is a dangerous time to be a madman.
I pray you are right. If that happens, you will immediately see all NoKorea convert to Christ.
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Republicans are out to rig the tax system to benefit big corporations and wealthy individuals even more than it already is. The Joint Committee on Taxation found that over the next ten years, Trump's tax plan will raise taxes for households making less than $75,000 a year. It will instantly trigger $400 billion in automatic cuts to Medicare in the next ten years, including $25 billion in the first year alone. I would think this would be a heavy blow to a lot of the people who voted for Trump.
For decades I have heard Politicians promise they will help the middle class. They are all liars. I doubt this will be any different.

I remember one year John Boehner promised a tax on the rich all year. Then we woke up on Christmas and the Social Security deduction was raised 2%.

You want to tax the rich? Remove the upper limit on the SS tax!
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I agree with you strongly on this point!
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Personally, I don't think Moore has anything to apologize for. I think it's a smear job taking advantage of our present climate.
Waiting for the smoking gun?


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Personally, I don't think Moore has anything to apologize for. I think it's a smear job taking advantage of our present climate. He is not the first conservative to be victimized. Should Clarence Thomas apologize to Professor Hill?

As far as Trump apologizing as a Christian, good luck on both counts.
It seems they are asking him when he began to prey on teenagers. If he responds at all he will be condemned.

That said if he is innocent he has to sue them for defamation and damages. You have an alleged case of forgery and you have security guards and coworkers claiming his reputation as a predator was well known.

He can claim he is innocent because you the statute of limitations has expired, but unless he or the party sues for slander I will not believe him.
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In one of the fastest and most astonishing turnarounds in the history of energy, building and running new renewable energy is now cheaper than just running existing coal and nuclear plants in many areas. A widely-used yearly benchmarking study — the Levelized Cost of Energy Analysis (LCOE) from the financial firm Lazard Ltd. — reached this stunning conclusion: In many regions “the full-lifecycle costs of building and operating renewables-based projects have dropped below the operating costs alone of conventional generation technologies such as coal or nuclear.”

Prior to this you had to factor in health costs and environmental costs. This is stunning.
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It seems they are asking him when he began to prey on teenagers. If he responds at all he will be condemned.

That said if he is innocent he has to sue them for defamation and damages. You have an alleged case of forgery and you have security guards and coworkers claiming his reputation as a predator was well known.

He can claim he is innocent because you the statute of limitations has expired, but unless he or the party sues for slander I will not believe him.
Yup, Moore has threatened to sue WaPo.

The jury is out on the Roy Moore accusations, but one thing we know, he never fit the classic profile of a pedophile. His accusers are being called liars, and women are starting to stand by him. Like I said, WaPo made the mistake of running their hit piece too early, and now I'm sure they regret it.

What we are learning about Doug Jones, however, will drip drip drip until long after election day. So much for Jonesy the hypocrite protecting young defenseless girls: Accuser in UAB sex abuse case calls out Doug Jones for 'hypocrisy' for his position on Moore accusers

I just watched Janet Porter President of Faith2Action debunk the anti-Moore fake news on MSNBC.

I happened to read that somehow Breitbart News forced WaPo to come out with this story prematurely and ahead of schedule, thus giving Moore and his supporters way too much time to defend himself against the lies.
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So Trump broke his silence on Moore and said "We don't need a liberal in there." So the pubbies are willing to take a pedophile scumbag rather than a liberal.

Sounds like something out of bro Ohio's playbook.
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So Trump broke his silence on Moore and said "We don't need a liberal in there." So the pubbies are willing to take a pedophile scumbag rather than a liberal.

Sounds like something out of bro Ohio's playbook.
You are so quick to believe lies and pass judgment.

Doesn't seem like you care for the actual facts of the case.

And then you implicate me!

You may as well include all evangelical Christians too.

I remember how you have said that "Christians lie."

How about these accusers all lying for money?
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You are so quick to believe lies and pass judgment.

Doesn't seem like you care for the actual facts of the case.

And then you implicate me!

You may as well include all evangelical Christians too.

I remember how you have said that "Christians lie."

How about these accusers all lying for money?
It runs much deeper than money in Alabama. Moore is not seen as doing anything wrong.

It's a problem of Christian fundamentalism. They operate from the courtship-purity movement, promoted by the Biblical Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements, widely influential in Christian homeschooling circles.

Girls who are 14 are seen as potential relationship material. Girls are raised to be “pure,” meek, dependent and submissive with the goal of becoming appropriate “help-meets” for much older men. Marriage to the under age girls, by older Christian men, is arranged by fundamentalists parents.

And bro Ohio, Moore is a Christian Reconstructionist. I thought they tried to recruit the church you and your wife were attending ... and you disagreed with them. Have you changed your mind?
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It runs much deeper than money in Alabama. Moore is not seen as doing anything wrong.

It's a problem of Christian fundamentalism. They operate from the courtship-purity movement, promoted by the Biblical Patriarchy and Quiverfull movements, widely influential in Christian homeschooling circles.

Girls who are 14 are seen as potential relationship material. Girls are raised to be “pure,” meek, dependent and submissive with the goal of becoming appropriate “help-meets” for much older men. Marriage to the under age girls, by older Christian men, is arranged by fundamentalists parents.

And bro Ohio, Moore is a Christian Reconstructionist. I thought they tried to recruit the church you and your wife were attending ... and you disagreed with them. Have you changed your mind?


I did change my mind, after I saw her story falling apart, deconstructed by the facts, and so many testifying on behalf of Moore's character, not because of your crazy religious ideas, but because of the way he has handled himself his entire adult life. Read the news. The "new" news.

With their congressional slush fund, providing shush money, no one would dare come after Moore once he is elected. They are all afraid of being outed next.

So ... sorry bro! I know you love it when Christians "crash and burn," but perhaps another time. You will have to settle for a Rand Paul "crash." But no burning for Moore.
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So Trump broke his silence on Moore and said "We don't need a liberal in there." So the pubbies are willing to take a pedophile scumbag rather than a liberal.

Sounds like something out of bro Ohio's playbook.
I don't agree with labeling him as a "pedophile". Predator -- ok, creep -- ok, but I don't think it is fair to label a person a pedophile that hasn't been convicted of that crime.

Also, it is as though you are completely ignoring the political motivation that could have prompted this attack. Personally I believe there must be something to it for there to be so many witnesses. But when it comes to "pedophile" it is simply one 14 year old's testimony versus his. Also, I don't even know the specifics of the law whether or not her allegations would rise to the level of "pedophile".

The only thing that I feel has been confirmed by all people is that he dated teenagers that were 10 or 15 years younger than him.
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I did change my mind, after I saw her story falling apart, deconstructed by the facts, and so many testifying on behalf of Moore's character, not because of your crazy religious ideas, but because of the way he has handled himself his entire adult life. Read the news. The "new" news.
We all get our info from news sources. So from where are you getting your facts?

You say his accusers are paid. But Mitch McConnell believes them.

So far there are 8 accusers of Moore. Some of them at least sound credible. He was banned from the mall foe chasing young girls, even a cop came out and said everyone knew Moore went after under age girls. And even the YMCA banned him.

That's a lot of made up facts (good thing Soros has deep pockets). You think your facts are true. From where do you get your facts.

Or is your support not dependent on facts, but on emotion. Are you sure you're not 'infected by a false Christian religious virus?'
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We all get our info from news sources. So from where are you getting your facts?

You say his accusers are paid. But Mitch McConnell believes them.

So far there are 8 accusers of Moore. Some of them at least sound credible. He was banned from the mall foe chasing young girls, even a cop came out and said everyone knew Moore went after under age girls. And even the YMCA banned him.

That's a lot of made up facts. You think your facts are true. From where do you get your facts.

Or is your support not dependent on facts, but on emotion. Are you sure you're not 'infected by a false Christian religious virus?'
I agree 100% that the mall cop and the YMCA are very strong evidence he was a creep. But the lack of criminal prosecution or even allegations that rise to felony are also proof he wasn't a pedophile.

Unless I am mistaken an unwanted sexual overture is not a felony. It can be viewed as predatory and alarming, but not criminal.
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We all get our info from news sources. So from where are you getting your facts?

You say his accusers are paid. But Mitch McConnell believes them.
You hate ole Mitch. You have never said a kind word about him. You have always called him a liar and that you don't trust a thing he says.

Now you believe him? You guys finally make up?

Your enemy is no longer your enemy cause the enemy of your enemy is now your friend!

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The only thing that I feel has been confirmed by all people is that he dated teenagers that were 10 or 15 years younger than him.
Teenagers who were 18 or 19 years old, right?

And they were probably pretty too!

Nice, outgoing personalities!

Perhaps came from established well-to-do families!

Makes sense. His wife was 14 years younger than him and pretty.

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Or is your support not dependent on facts, but on emotion. Are you sure you're not 'infected by a false Christian religious virus?'
It always comes back to me being a "stupid" Christian.

We are all infected by some religious "virus."

We are all "against science" and the facts of history.

We are all "blinded" by faith and brain dead.

We are all "emotional" bigots who can't think rationally.

...........................

That has to be the explanation. Right?
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But when it comes to "pedophile" it is simply one 14 year old's testimony versus his. Also, I don't even know the specifics of the law whether or not her allegations would rise to the level of "pedophile".
The accusations of that 14 year old girl are slowly being debunked by the facts.

Court Documents Raise Significant Questions About Leigh Corfman’s Accusations Against Roy Moore

The case against Roy Moore is that he dated pretty, young girls after serving in the military and finishing his law degree. Nothing wrong here. Eventually he found one and married her.

So WaPo had to find one instance of underage dating -- Corfman. And then they had to add salicious data to connect Moore with the like of Harvey Weinstein and these other predators. WaPo needed one good victim!

Can't find one? Then Corfman will have to do. And let's hope the election occurs before the real facts of the case come out.
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You hate ole Mitch. You have never said a kind word about him. You have always called him a liar and that you don't trust a thing he says.

Now you believe him? You guys finally make up?

Your enemy is no longer your enemy cause the enemy of your enemy is now your friend!

Completely understandable!
bahahahaha

Me and Mitcheepoo ... a bromance for the history books.

Yes I don't trust Mitch. For what he did to us between the rivers folks.

I'm just saying, that some believe the accusers. And they are piling up. Now a retired Alabama cop came out and admitted that back then, they were told to keep Roy Moore away from the cheerleaders ... and he reconfirmed the mall banning.

All these accusers? They must be breaking Soros' bank.
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It always comes back to me being a "stupid" Christian.

We are all infected by some religious "virus."

We are all "against science" and the facts of history.

We are all "blinded" by faith and brain dead.

We are all "emotional" bigots who can't think rationally.

...........................

That has to be the explanation. Right?
Well not ALLLLLLLLLLL. But I think that Christians are "infected" in the same percentage as the rest of the human race.

Science? The Scopes trial ... don't forget that.

And who said anything about bigots? But now that you bring it up, I know Christian bigots ... in my extended family. I can't say there is a causal link, but they are republican Fox news watchers ... and like Breitbart. I haven't asked what they think of Roy Moore. But I think I know their position, without asking. They liked that he's a Biblical man of God, that fights for the 10 commandments.

Prolly some of the same reasons for why you are so gung-ho for Moore. At the cost of giving Christianity a bad name.
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I haven't asked what they think of Roy Moore. But I think I know their position, without asking. They liked that he's a Biblical man of God, that fights for the 10 commandments.

Prolly some of the same reasons for why you are so gung-ho for Moore. At the cost of giving Christianity a bad name.
I'm not gung-ho for Moore. I knew very little about Moore until WaPo launched their smear campaign a couple weeks ago. The whole thing stunk to high heaven. Less than one hour after this hit piece came out, your boy Mitch was calling for Moore's head on the platter. Seems like he knew about it ahead of time. Perhaps Mitch funded the hit piece, like Paul Singer did the Trump Dossier.

I waited until some of the facts were vetted before I jumped on the Kill Moore crusade. I have learned when the entire MSM believes something, then good chance they got it wrong. (Kind of like no way Hillary could lose to Trump.) The more I waited, the more his accusers got debunked. None of them were believable compared to all of SwineStein's victims.

How does that give Christianity a bad name when I decide not to believe a lie?

Do you have any idea how manipulating you are in the name of Christ?

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I'm not gung-ho for Moore. I knew very little about Moore until WaPo launched their smear campaign a couple weeks ago. The whole thing stunk to high heaven. Less than one hour after this hit piece came out, your boy Mitch was calling for Moore's head on the platter. Seems like he knew about it ahead of time. Perhaps Mitch funded the hit piece, like Paul Singer did the Trump Dossier.
I don't know. Are all these sexual accusations coming to light these days a hit job? I've read some say it's an attack on men.

But I think Mitch's attitude toward Moore is because of Bannon, who's got it out for Mitch, and ain't afraid to broadcast it. I don't like either of them. Nor do I like Moore. Christian Dominionists scare me. Theocracies always go bad. We learned that with witness Lee, if not other places.

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MSM, or any other news sources. None of them can get at what's really going on. That's all top secret, and done behind closed doors. They try to keep it secret, but it leaks out. I'm getting leak fatigue.

But Moore wasn't so secret about it. Everybody, seems, knew about him and under age girls (16 is legal in Alabama).

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(Kind of like no way Hillary could lose to Trump.) The more I waited, the more his accusers got debunked. None of them were believable compared to all of SwineStein's victims.

How does that give Christianity a bad name when I decide not to believe a lie?
Because you look like you are supporting a scumbag. I would think as a Christian, even if there is the slightest hint of possible sexual misconduct, it would be hands off.

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Roy Moore and the confused identity of today’s “evangelical” voter
37 percent of evangelicals say they’re more likely to support Roy Moore after sexual assault allegations. Here’s why I’m skeptical of that.
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I'm not gung-ho for Moore. I knew very little about Moore until WaPo launched their smear campaign a couple weeks ago. The whole thing stunk to high heaven. Less than one hour after this hit piece came out, your boy Mitch was calling for Moore's head on the platter. Seems like he knew about it ahead of time. Perhaps Mitch funded the hit piece, like Paul Singer did the Trump Dossier.
One thing we have to all agree on based on the facts is that his opponents knew about his reputation long before the story broke. They intentionally held the story until it would be too late to pull his name from the ballot.
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Good article. Thanks for posting.

Highlights some of the frustrations I confront with awareness' recent posts.
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One thing we have to all agree on based on the facts is that his opponents knew about his reputation long before the story broke. They intentionally held the story until it would be too late to pull his name from the ballot.
And let's be honest, we all tend to overlook the faults of the candidate whose platform more closely matches our own.

Another point. Most voters, given the time, will look for the "greater good." If I were voting in Alabama, I would have to examine the extreme liberal views of Jones. His support of full term abortions is very troubling. And what about his attacks on that child prodigy who was basically a "plaything," while he defended the University football team. Jones is no friend of the unborn or of the molested minor girls.

How could I as a "evangelical" vote for Jones, when I believe abortion is murder?
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Here's a reply I made recently to a friend who posted a Facebook meme proposing that we call Evangelicals the "American Taliban."

"The author contradicts himself by saying at one point that not all evangelicals are extremists and then concluding that evangelicals are the American Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim extremists. It's a similar overgeneralization whereby all Muslims are prejudged because of the extremism of a minority among them. I interact with Evangelicals everyday. Their political opinions run the gamut from right to left. Our country is polarized in way that is creating social dysfunction. Stereotyping like the author engages in are misleading. It's a false equivalency. Evangelicals in general are not extremists like the Taliban. So the meme's proposition is false."
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And let's be honest, we all tend to overlook the faults of the candidate whose platform more closely matches our own.

Another point. Most voters, given the time, will look for the "greater good." If I were voting in Alabama, I would have to examine the extreme liberal views of Jones. His support of full term abortions is very troubling. And what about his attacks on that child prodigy who was basically a "plaything," while he defended the University football team. Jones is no friend of the unborn or of the molested minor girls.

How could I as a "evangelical" vote for Jones, when I believe abortion is murder?
Some liberals are re-evaluating Bill Clinton in view of the current sexual harassment scandals. For example, recently Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, who holds Hillary Clinton's former seat, said Bill Clinton should have resigned after his relationship with an intern while he was president.
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Here's a reply I made recently to a friend who posted a Facebook meme proposing that we call Evangelicals the "American Taliban."

"The author contradicts himself by saying at one point that not all evangelicals are extremists and then concluding that evangelicals are the American Taliban. The Taliban are Muslim extremists. It's a similar overgeneralization whereby all Muslims are prejudged because of the extremism of a minority among them. I interact with Evangelicals everyday. Their political opinions run the gamut from right to left. Our country is polarized in way that is creating social dysfunction. Stereotyping like the author engages in are misleading. It's a false equivalency. Evangelicals in general are not extremists like the Taliban. So the meme's proposition is false."
Last January I visited family. One young lady is a mental health counselor. She had made herself sick over the presidential election. She had a hard time even looking at me since she knew, "I voted for Trump." But several months prior I specifically told her that I did not even vote in the primaries because of the concerns I had. I went there with the intention not to discuss politics.

As a mental health counselor she has been trained to identify her biases and keep them at a distance, yet due to the current toxic political and social climate, she is frankly unable. This is concerning. Since she lives in the liberal NYC area, her bias is not so evident, but here in the midwest, she definitely could not practice.

This is why main stream media is so dangerous. They are stirring social unrest. They are no longer journalists caring for accurate reporting. They are strictly purveyors of liberal opinions designed to create tension in America. They purposely use inflammatory rhetoric to incite their audience, e.g. like the recent connection of Trump to Charles Manson.
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Last January I visited family. One young lady is a mental health counselor. She had made herself sick over the presidential election. She had a hard time even looking at me since she knew, "I voted for Trump." But several months prior I specifically told her that I did not even vote in the primaries because of the concerns I had. I went there with the intention not to discuss politics.

As a mental health counselor she has been trained to identify her biases and keep them at a distance, yet due to the current toxic political and social climate, she is frankly unable. This is concerning. Since she lives in the liberal NYC area, her bias is not so evident, but here in the midwest, she definitely could not practice.

This is why main stream media is so dangerous. They are stirring social unrest. They are no longer journalists caring for accurate reporting. They are strictly purveyors of liberal opinions designed to create tension in America. They purposely use inflammatory rhetoric to incite their audience, e.g. like the recent connection of Trump to Charles Manson.
That's no more of a problem on the Left then it is in Right-wing media. Plus, now we have the new problem of the Russians intentionally pumping Fake News into social media in order to foster distrust. One has to be able to think critically to thread one's way through the mine-field of information and disinformation that's out there every day. Often that means withholding judgment on issues because you recognize that you JUST DON'T KNOW. People often don't like to do that.
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That's no more of a problem on the Left then it is in Right-wing media. Plus, now we have the new problem of the Russians intentionally pumping Fake News into social media in order to foster distrust. One has to be able to think critically to thread one's way through the mine-field of information and disinformation that's out there every day. Often that means withholding judgment on issues because you recognize that you JUST DON'T KNOW. People often don't like to do that.
Let's hope for many Thanksgiving celebrations across the country embracing friends and family and free from political and football controversies.
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"Take a stand for God?"

Bahahahaha ... and bro Ohio wonders why I'm critical of Christians.
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Bahahahaha ... and bro Ohio wonders why I'm critical of Christians.
So ... looking at worst case scenarios ...

What is worse to you?

Dating young girls or the slaughter of the unborn?

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I think in your mind Christians should only vote for sinless and perfect candidates, iow, never vote at all!
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So ... looking at worst case scenarios ...

What is worse to you?

Dating young girls or the slaughter of the unborn?

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I think in your mind Christians should only vote for sinless and perfect candidates, iow, never vote at all!
A false ethical dilemma. One can choose to support neither. My inner Protestant counsels against the perfectionism that my inner Pagan is inclined to pursue. Historically the pursuit of purity led to Nazism. There is more of a touch of perfectionism in the LCM.
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So ... looking at worst case scenarios ...

What is worse to you?

Dating young girls or the slaughter of the unborn?
Sure, care about 'em in the womb, but not afterward.
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Not a false ethical dilemma for the voters of Alabama.

This is the exact choose many are faced with.

The false dilemma is the left's constant connection of Nazism with the right.
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Sure, care about 'em in the womb, but not afterward.
Bogus.

The former is terminal. Abortion is final.

If Jones cared at all for the "afterwards," then he would not have attacked the rape victim to protect the University.

The Left cares nothing for the "afterwards" as we see everyday in the news. It's too bad their hypocrisy is so hard for you to see thru.
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Not a false ethical dilemma for the voters of Alabama.

This is the exact choose many are faced with.

The false dilemma is the left's constant connection of Nazism with the right.
I thought the Unite the Right did that. And they aren't left.
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One thing we have to all agree on based on the facts is that his opponents knew about his reputation long before the story broke. They intentionally held the story until it would be too late to pull his name from the ballot.
If the concern was for the women then they would have exposed this as soon as possible. Waiting until it was too late to take his name off the ballot demonstrates 0 concern for the women. This was 100% political. The only way a democrat wins this race.
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If the concern was for the women then they would have exposed this as soon as possible. Waiting until it was too late to take his name off the ballot demonstrates 0 concern for the women. This was 100% political. The only way a democrat wins this race.
They are investigating millions into opposition research to smear Moore.

This has all the same characteristics as the Russian Dossier to smear Trump.
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Sure, care about 'em in the womb, but not afterward.
Roy Moore's candidacy represents a double slam on women. He advocates taking away a woman's right to choose and ignoring women who testify that he sexually assaulted them when they were children. Woman bashing in the name of the Bible seems to be a pretty consistent theme for this guy.
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Well prolly Moore has a small penis. And that's why he wants little girls. His religious posturing is just sublimating for his manly lack. Controlling women is the fruit of it, making women subservient ... like the Bible says.

It reminds me of the Southern Baptists, using the Bible in support of slavery.
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Roy Moore's candidacy represents a double slam on women. He advocates taking away a woman's right to choose and ignoring women who testify that he sexually assaulted them when they were children. Woman bashing in the name of the Bible seems to be a pretty consistent theme for this guy.
A "woman's right to choose" can NEVER be a legitimate right, and is definitely NOT included in "certain unalienable Rights," endowed by our Creator, since they require the death of another person with "certain unalienable Rights," also endowed by our Creator. Our constitutional rights always end when another's life is endangered.

Abortion is true fascism -- the powers that be determining who is allowed to live and who is not.

Trump is not a fascist, but abortion advocates might be
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A "woman's right to choose" can NEVER be a legitimate right, and is definitely NOT included in "certain unalienable Rights," endowed by our Creator, since they require the death of another person with "certain unalienable Rights," also endowed by our Creator. Our constitutional rights always end when another's life is endangered.

Abortion is true fascism -- the powers that be determining who is allowed to live and who is not
No, each women decides. And they have the right to do so. And there's no "person" in there. The baby is not a person until it comes out. Then it has rights, but even then not as much rights as mom, and dad, have over the child.

And the Bible very early on tells we're not a living soul until the first breath. Genesis 2:7.
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It reminds me of the Southern Baptists, using the Bible in support of slavery.
There are a couple of very important principles here that go far beyond Alabama politics.

1. All of these abuse claims, not just Moore but also Weinstein, Franken, etc generally boil down to "he said, she said". Therefore you shouldn't discount it or dismiss it simply because this is the type of evidence. On the contrary, the predators understand this which is why they have the boldness to pull this stuff. Instead the Biblical standard that I think applies here is 2 or 3 witnesses as a bare minimum. Whenever we see a sexual predator like Weinstein there will be multiple cases, not a single case.

2. Political campaigns are about destroying credibility, especially if you are in a campaign where no one in your party has won in many years. The only possible chance the democrat had was if Moore self destructed. You should expect that they will turn molehills into mountains. When these stories come out right after the deadline to change names on the ballot they should be especially suspect. If we begin to eliminate candidates based on hearsay and allegations then these campaigns will become even uglier.

3. There are facts in this case that can be used to inform voters. One fact is that Moore has never been charged with this crime of pedophilia, much less convicted. Another fact is that the Mall was on the lookout for him seeing him as someone that targeted teenage girls. Based on that you can reasonably conclude that he was a creep, but that it didn't rise to the level of a case that a prosecutor would prosecute. However, the discourse on this is quite different, many willing to call him a "pedophile" even though he was never convicted of this crime.

4. It is important to weigh the evidence and discuss the evidence in order to make an informed decision, but most of those who have shaped the discourse clearly are biased on one side or the other. This is quite evident concerning the media's reporting.

5. One of the ugliest allegations is that a "vote for Roy Moore is a vote for sexual predators". The inference is that democrats are concerned about women while republicans aren't. If the allegations that Roy Moore was a sexual predator are true it would mean that women, many women, have known this for 30+ years. However, they did not come forward until well into this campaign, so far in fact that it was no longer possible to drop his name. This is not evidence that they care about women, but rather they would risk a predator being elected if it gives them a better chance of gaining a seat. Someone who truly cared about women would have raised this issue earlier.
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I read that support for Roy Moore has fallen in every voter sector except among evangelical Christians. What does that say to the world?
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No, each women decides. And they have the right to do so. And there's no "person" in there. The baby is not a person until it comes out. Then it has rights, but even then not as much rights as mom, and dad, have over the child.

And the Bible very early on tells we're not a living soul until the first breath. Genesis 2:7.
How is it that you believe only in the scientific evolution of man, and now consider that human life begins with the breath of God?
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Perhaps those who regularly confront the stratagems of the devil are more apt to see thru a Bezos/WaPo smear campaign.
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Perhaps those who regularly confront the stratagems of the devil are more apt to see thru a Bezos/WaPo smear campaign.
Experience has taught me that, when pursuing the truth, demonizing others isn't helpful.
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You forgot to list The Alabama Local News (www.al.com). The stratagems of the devil has broken new accusers there too.
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You forgot to list The Alabama Local News (www.al.com). The stratagems of the devil has broken new accusers there too.
If you were still evangelical, perhaps you would exhibit a little discernment too.
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If you were still evangelical, perhaps you would exhibit a little discernment too.
I'd prolly still be an evangelical if their discernment's were actually up to snuff. I long ago discovered their discernment wasn't any better than those of unbelievers.
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It tells me that his stance on abortion is the major issue for them.

If you are so concerned with finding the truth and not demonizing others then surely you can realize that the Supreme court has no authority to make laws. There was nothing in the Constitution concerning abortion, therefore it should have been a states right to decide.

The decision in Roe V Wade was unconstitutional. That is the underlying cause of all this ugly division.
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Sounds like progressive talking points ...

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So you found out that evangelicals believe that life starts at conception?
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"Over 1.3 million anti-net neutrality FCC comments are likely fakes"

Apparently Russia is not the only one using their resources to manipulate public opinion.

"Out of 22 million total comments, only 800,000 appear to be genuinely original -- and 99 percent of them support net neutrality."
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So you found out that evangelicals believe that life starts at conception?
No, I found that out later, about evangelicals. Oddly, my fundamentalist mother was against abortion, but stilled supported a woman's right to chose.

Then, I found out that they believe that life begins with the appetizer.

I kid. But they do believe life begins with conception. However, biologically, life doesn't begin, it just continues.

I think a few things about abortion.
1) One penis, no vote. The best a male evangelical can do is keep it in his pants.

2) Those that feel strongly about abortion should move out of any country where abortion is legal, and move to a country where it is illegal ; like the Vatican, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, or Chile.

3) About 80,000 women die each year, from unsafe abortions, in countries where it's illegal. Once again, care about them in the womb, but not after they are born ; they have rights in the womb, but not when they are grown.

4) We can't tell women what to do with their bodies. Make it illegal and they will still find a way, and many will die from it, including the preborn. And I suppose you're fine with that, for the woman, but not for the preborn.
And bro Ohio, unless your wife is pregnant, and considering an abortion, you don't have a dog in this fight.

Let it go, or move.
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It tells me that his stance on abortion is the major issue for them.

If you are so concerned with finding the truth and not demonizing others then surely you can realize that the Supreme court has no authority to make laws. There was nothing in the Constitution concerning abortion, therefore it should have been a states right to decide.

The decision in Roe V Wade was unconstitutional. That is the underlying cause of all this ugly division.
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It tells me that his stance on abortion is the major issue for them.

If you are so concerned with finding the truth and not demonizing others then surely you can realize that the Supreme court has no authority to make laws. There was nothing in the Constitution concerning abortion, therefore it should have been a states right to decide.

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That pesky 14th amendment. It's been a thorn in the side of fundamentalist's since shorty after the civil war. First with the slaves, then racial segregation, then Roe v. Wade, and then same sex marriage.

But it doesn't say anything about fondling 14 year old girls ... even with the permission of their mother.

Why? Because, everyone knows it's wrong, except, apparently, evangelicals ... then it's Mary, and Elizabeth, did it.
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It tells me that his stance on abortion is the major issue for them.

If you are so concerned with finding the truth and not demonizing others then surely you can realize that the Supreme court has no authority to make laws. There was nothing in the Constitution concerning abortion, therefore it should have been a states right to decide.

The decision in Roe V Wade was unconstitutional. That is the underlying cause of all this ugly division.
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1972) was concerned with the constitutionality of state criminal abortion statutes under the 14th Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions on state action and the 9th Amendment's reservation of rights to the people. In the opinion of the Court:

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It is thus apparent that, at common law, at the time of the adoption of our Constitution, and throughout the major portion of the 19th century, abortion was viewed with less disfavor than under most American statutes currently in effect. Phrasing it another way, a woman enjoyed a substantially broader right to terminate a pregnancy than she does in most States today. At least with respect to the early stage of pregnancy, and very possibly without such a limitation, the opportunity to make this choice was present in this country well into the 19th century. Even later, the law continued for some time to treat less punitively an abortion procured in early pregnancy.
So, the Supreme Court didn't make any laws, and the opinion of the Court was constitutional.
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That pesky 14th amendment. It's been a thorn in the side of fundamentalist's since shorty after the civil war. First with the slaves, then racial segregation, then Roe v. Wade, and then same sex marriage.

But it doesn't say anything about fondling 14 year old girls ... even with the permission of their mother.

Why? Because, everyone knows it's wrong, except, apparently, evangelicals ... then it's Mary, and Elizabeth, did it.
Yes, everyone knows it is wrong. There are other things that are wrong as well. Convicting a man without a trial. Slander, libel are two others.

If the choice was between an innocent and guilty man then you would have an argument. Problem is the choice is between two guilty parties. That is the problem with your argument, you point out the guilt of one side and ignore the guilt of the other.
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So, the Supreme Court didn't make any laws, and the opinion of the Court was constitutional.
The opinion of the court was that a woman's right to an abortion was constitutionally supported based on a vague reading to the "right to privacy". The law concerning unreasonable searches was used to cover the right to abortion. So the same people who complain with the constitutional "right to bear arms" are the same who can justify abortion using the protection against unreasonable search without a warrant. That to me is the height of hypocrisy.

Think of the irony that the restrictions on abortion are tighter and more stringent now than prior to the ruling. If the Supreme court had simply argued that this is a state's rights issue what would have happened? Some states would have outlawed it, perhaps Texas would be in that category, hard to tell. Some states would have put in restrictions and regulations, probably NY and California would be in that category. Some states would have legalized it completely, perhaps Nevada, etc. But you would have taken the rug out from any who would protest. Against abortion, move to where it is illegal. For abortion, what is the big issue, if you don't want to move simply go out of state when necessary.

Not only would this have put a stop to most protests, it would have also eliminated it from the discourse in national politics. Congressmen, Senators and presidents would not need to say anything more than "that is a state's right issue". As for local politicians it could easily have become a referendum issue, just like legalizing Pot or some other topic.

So instead of blaming Evangelicals why not look in the mirror? The man in the mirror is the only one you have authority to change. Blaming Evangelicals suggest to me you aren't really serious about a solution.
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Perhaps LSM did have such a fund, plus they had the legal defense team to go after the victims.
Not to mention utilizing peer pressure. Just take the cross. It's not a good testimony for a Christian to seek vindication through legal means.

As it happened not only with Philip, but another Lee son to be sent back to Taiwan. It was the offended party that were sent away from Southern California to San Fran.
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The opinion of the court was that a woman's right to an abortion was constitutionally supported based on a vague reading to the "right to privacy". The law concerning unreasonable searches was used to cover the right to abortion. So the same people who complain with the constitutional "right to bear arms" are the same who can justify abortion using the protection against unreasonable search without a warrant. That to me is the height of hypocrisy.

Think of the irony that the restrictions on abortion are tighter and more stringent now than prior to the ruling. If the Supreme court had simply argued that this is a state's rights issue what would have happened? Some states would have outlawed it, perhaps Texas would be in that category, hard to tell. Some states would have put in restrictions and regulations, probably NY and California would be in that category. Some states would have legalized it completely, perhaps Nevada, etc. But you would have taken the rug out from any who would protest. Against abortion, move to where it is illegal. For abortion, what is the big issue, if you don't want to move simply go out of state when necessary.

Not only would this have put a stop to most protests, it would have also eliminated it from the discourse in national politics. Congressmen, Senators and presidents would not need to say anything more than "that is a state's right issue". As for local politicians it could easily have become a referendum issue, just like legalizing Pot or some other topic.

So instead of blaming Evangelicals why not look in the mirror? The man in the mirror is the only one you have authority to change. Blaming Evangelicals suggest to me you aren't really serious about a solution.
Put down the crack pipe man. I didn't blame Evangelicals for anything. It was a statement of putative fact. I read it in several periodicals including the WSJ.
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Put down the crack pipe man. I didn't blame Evangelicals for anything. It was a statement of putative fact. I read it in several periodicals including the WSJ.
Well, if the WSJ says it then we can't question it.

The US is a republic founded on a constitution. If the powers that be ignore or twist that constitution then it is unreasonable to assume they will not reap the wind.

They thought they could put it behind them, they didn't. They thought it would resolve the matter, it didn't.

What is the fear in making this a state's right issue? A simple solution that would immediately remove it from all political campaigns for national office.
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The US is a republic founded on a constitution. If the powers that be ignore or twist that constitution then it is unreasonable to assume they will not reap the wind.
Have you not heard in liberal circles that the constitution is a "living document?"

It has to be changed because the Founders never envisioned things like cell phones and the internet. Thus saith Al Gore, notable carbon bigfoot.
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Not to mention utilizing peer pressure. Just take the cross. It's not a good testimony for a Christian to seek vindication through legal means.

As it happened not only with Philip, but another Lee son to be sent back to Taiwan. It was the offended party that were sent away from Southern California to San Fran.
Exactly. It was all unrighteous.

LSM crowns Lee as the consummate MOTA, like unto Noah of old. But there's a slight problem here folks ... Noah was a righteous man and blameless. (Gen 6.9)
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That pesky 14th amendment. It's been a thorn in the side of fundamentalist's since shorty after the civil war. First with the slaves, then racial segregation, then Roe v. Wade, and then same sex marriage.

But it doesn't say anything about fondling 14 year old girls ... even with the permission of their mother.
Does it say anything about rich liberals paying loose women to bring forth false charges? Without the permission of her mother?
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The three fundamental problems with Roe v. Wade

1. Unjust

First, and most importantly, the outcome of Roe is harmful and unjust. Why? The facts of embryology show that the human embryo or fetus (the being whose life is ended in abortion) is a distinct and living human organism at the earliest stages of development. "Human development begins at fertilization when a sperm fuses with an oocyte to form a single cell, a zygote," explains a leading embryology textbook. "This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."

Justice requires that the law protect the equal dignity and basic rights of every member of the human family—irrespective of age, size, ability, dependency, and the desires and decisions of others. This principle of human equality, affirmed in the Declaration of Independence and the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is the moral core of western civilization. But the Roe Court ruled, to the contrary, that a particular class of innocent human beings (the unborn) must be excluded from the protection of the law and allowed to be dismembered and killed at the discretion of others. "The right created by the Supreme Court in Roe," observes University of St. Thomas law professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, "is a constitutional right of some human beings to kill other human beings."

After Roe, the incidence of abortion rose dramatically, quickly topping one million abortions per year and peaking at 1.6 million in 1990 before gradually declining to just under one million in 2014 (the latest year for which complete estimates are available). Under the Roe regime, abortion is the leading cause of human death. More than 59 million human beings have now been legally killed. And abortion has detrimentally impacted the health and well-being of many women (and men). The gravity and scale of this injustice exceed that of any other issue or concern in American society today.

2. Unconstitutional

The second problem with Roe is that it is an epic constitutional mistake. Justice Harry Blackmun's majority opinion claimed that the "right of privacy" found in the "liberty" protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment is "broad enough to encompass" a fundamental right to abortion. There is no reason to think that's true.

"What is frightening about Roe," noted the eminent constitutional scholar and Yale law professor John Hart Ely (who personally supported legalized abortion), "is that this super-protected right is not inferable from the language of the Constitution, the framers' thinking respecting the specific problem in issue, any general value derivable from the provisions they included, or the nation's governmental structure. … It is bad because it is bad constitutional law, or rather because it is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be."

Indeed, "[a]s a matter of constitutional interpretation and judicial method," writes Edward Lazarus, a former Blackmun clerk who is "utterly committed" to legalized abortion, "Roe borders on the indefensible. ... Justice Blackmun's opinion provides essentially no reasoning in support of its holding. And in the … years since Roe's announcement, no one has produced a convincing defense of Roe on its own terms."

But Roe is even more ridiculous than most observers realize. The American people adopted the Fourteenth Amendment during an era in which those same American people enacted numerous state laws with the primary purpose of protecting unborn children from abortion. A century later, Roe ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment somehow prevents Americans from doing what the ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment actually did. "To reach its result," Justice William Rehnquist quipped in his dissenting opinion, "the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment."

That's absurd. "The only conclusion possible from this history," Rehnquist explained, "is that the drafters did not intend to have the Fourteenth Amendment withdraw from the States the power to legislate with respect to this matter."

3. Undemocratic

Third, Roe is undemocratic. Roe and Doe v. Bolton together struck down the democratically decided abortion laws of all 50 states and replaced them with a nationwide policy of abortion-for-any-reason, whether the people like it or not. Of course, the Court may properly invalidate statutes that are inconsistent with the Constitution (which is the highest law). But Roe lacked any such justification.

Justice Byron White, a dissenter in Roe, explained the problem in his dissent in Thornburgh v. American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists. "[T]he Constitution itself is ordained and established by the people of the United States," he wrote. "[D]ecisions that find in the Constitution principles or values that cannot fairly be read into that document usurp the people's authority, for such decisions represent choices that the people have never made, and that they cannot disavow through corrective legislation." Roe defied the Constitution and other laws that the American people agreed upon—and imposed the will of the unelected Court instead.
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Court Documents: Roy Moore Accuser Has ‘Violent Nature,’ History of Criminal Fraud Against Own Family

The liberal media will stoop down to new lows in their efforts to subvert the democratic process in Alabama.
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Yes, everyone knows it is wrong. There are other things that are wrong as well. Convicting a man without a trial. Slander, libel are two others.

If the choice was between an innocent and guilty man then you would have an argument. Problem is the choice is between two guilty parties. That is the problem with your argument, you point out the guilt of one side and ignore the guilt of the other.
In politics, with so many being accused, all you have to say is that it's politically motivated and you're in free.

When can we kick politicians out of office? Seems never. Weinstein's career is ended, Kevin Spacey too. Hollywood is falling apart. But Franken is okay. John Conyers steps down from committee, but isn't going to resign ... or get kicked out. There's lots of examples, on both sides if the isle. Politicians can keep their jobs, while others that are politicians lose their job.

Or they then go on to get a good lobbying job, their own TV or radio show, or work for Fox news, MSNBC, or some other high paying job.

Politics has always been dirty, but it's now too dirty for any earnest Christian to be a part of.

But that's not stopping Christians today. They seem fine with immorality, as long as their party wins.
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In politics, with so many being accused, all you have to say is that it's politically motivated and you're in free.

Politics has always been dirty, but it's now too dirty for any earnest Christian to be a part of.

But that's not stopping Christians today. They seem fine with immorality, as long as their party wins.
Why is it you never miss an opportunity to take a shot at innocent Christians, and who they supposedly voted for? A troubling pattern is emerging. Are not you and zeek also Christians? Did you ever vote? Please tell me which party has never had a dirty politician? So now you must also answer to your own accusations.

We must also consider who the accusers are. When a politician molests his own staff, hired due to a similar ideological / political basis, then it is safe to say that their accusations are probably not a political hit job. When we have incriminating evidence like pictures, it also adds credibility to their claims.

Roy Moore has neither of those against him. These women never "came forward" with charges. Wealthy liberal opposition investigators sought out women to make charges. There are now all sorts of reports of reporters in Alabama today looking for anybody to trash Moore. For a price. Every day there is also another counter-report, filled with actual facts, rebutting these claims. All manner of character witnesses are stepping forward on Moore's behalf.

This is completely the opposite of Hollywood and the latest Franken/Conyer accusations. Then we hear about these Congressional "shush" funds. Don't they always say "follow the money?" Where is the money trail incriminating Moore? Doug Jones is outspending him by record numbers, and still the voters have not abandoned him. Why is that? Your only answer is that they are Cretin evangelicals.

Perhaps another answer exists. Perhaps they can smell a rat? Lots of them! Outside media types with money and an agenda?

Don't you just love it when all these atheist liberals clamor to the conservative or God-fearing about there being a "special place in hell" for them. One dingbat even pronounced this judgment upon all women who did NOT vote for Hillary. And they wonder why the conservatives never listen to them. (Including Ivanka.)
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I hate to admit it, but I agree with the archbishop of Canterbury.

Archbishop of Canterbury baffled by Christians who back Trump

"There's two things going through my mind: Do I say what I think, or do I say what I should say? And I'm going to say what I think," he said on the show, referring to the support Trump has garnered, especially from so-called Evangelical Christians. "No, I don't understand it. I really genuinely do not understand where that is coming from."
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In politics, with so many being accused, all you have to say is that it's politically motivated and you're in free.

When can we kick politicians out of office? Seems never. Weinstein's career is ended, Kevin Spacey too. Hollywood is falling apart. But Franken is okay. John Conyers steps down from committee, but isn't going to resign ... or get kicked out. There's lots of examples, on both sides if the isle. Politicians can keep their jobs, while others that are politicians lose their job.

Or they then go on to get a good lobbying job, their own TV or radio show, or work for Fox news, MSNBC, or some other high paying job.

Politics has always been dirty, but it's now too dirty for any earnest Christian to be a part of.

But that's not stopping Christians today. They seem fine with immorality, as long as their party wins.
It is the old "lesser of two evils" choice. When faced with that I chose not to vote determining that the best outcome was one in which no one voted, hence no legitimacy to the winner. But for one party or the other this strategy would be suicide.

So then the Christian is faced with two evils -- vote for abortion, or vote for a man accused of being a creep. If you take abortion off the table (make it a State's rights issue) you would see that many Christians would begin to vote democrat.
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So then the Christian is faced with two evils -- vote for abortion, or vote for a man accused of being a creep. If you take abortion off the table (make it a State's rights issue) you would see that many Christians would begin to vote democrat.
But ... wait a minute ZNP.

Moore was only accused. Since it will never go before a jury, we must weigh the accusers against other witnesses.

Don't you teach at a NYC high school? What if you were falsely accused of sexual impropriety by three girls whom you happened to fail in a test. The three went to the local news and your picture was plastered on the New York Times. Fellow teachers threatened to resign in protest unless you were immediately fired. Teachers were up in arms, a public relations nightmare.

Slowly over time you had to prove not only that it didn't happen, but that it couldn't happen. Meanwhile you start racking up legal bills, and since you don't qualify for unemployment, you have no money coming in. What if your union officials decided not to back you for some personal reason. Six months later you are acquitted of molesting underage girls. Your name and reputation are sullied. Your friends look at you suspiciously.

Pretty nasty huh? Think about the Duke Lacrosse team. Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, and many others.

The evidence is mounting that these accusations are a political hit job. I'm a little surprised you, with your forensics background, were so quick to tag him a pig and a creep.
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But ... wait a minute ZNP.

Moore was only accused. Since it will never go before a jury, we must weigh the accusers against other witnesses.

Don't you teach at a NYC high school? What if you were falsely accused of sexual impropriety by three girls whom you happened to fail in a test. The three went to the local news and your picture was plastered on the New York Times. Fellow teachers threatened to resign in protest unless you were immediately fired. Teachers were up in arms, a public relations nightmare.

Slowly over time you had to prove not only that it didn't happen, but that it couldn't happen. Meanwhile you start racking up legal bills, and since you don't qualify for unemployment, you have no money coming in. What if your union officials decided not to back you for some personal reason. Six months later you are acquitted of molesting underage girls. Your name and reputation are sullied. Your friends look at you suspiciously.

Pretty nasty huh? Think about the Duke Lacrosse team. Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, and many others.

The evidence is mounting that these accusations are a political hit job. I'm a little surprised you, with your forensics background, were so quick to tag him a pig and a creep.
There is a process for this. It is called "the rubber room". Teachers accused go to this room, punch in at 8, punch out at 3. There they wait until their case is heard. Also, I would not rack up legal bills, I am a member of a union and legal defense is provided by lawyers fully experienced and versed in this kind of thing. If they did "plaster my picture" in the news then I would also have a very good case for slander and libel should I win my case.

This would certainly cost me at least 1 year. But during that time I am paid and accrue other benefits as well. If my colleagues were demanding that I be fired I would be outraged and would no longer work at that school. Most likely choosing to retire once this was all over. Provided I was exonerated I would get a full pension and then could begin working at a number of other options for teachers while at the same time receiving my pension.

I would not be required to prove anything more than I am not guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt". However, if my name and reputation were sullied and it was tough to get one of the many other jobs available that would add more fuel to the lawsuit for libel and defamation.

Because of the potential liability schools try to keep these charges as quiet as possible while they go through the due process. However, what is fair game is if the girls went to the police and the police felt there was enough evidence to arrest the teacher. The newspaper and media are free to publish the fact that someone was arrested, etc. However, if a Grand Jury determines there is not enough evidence to indict then the police and newspaper could be liable and would likely settle rather than go to court. This is why I don't feel sorry for the Duke Lacrosse team, check out the settlement that Rolling Stone magazine had to pay, not to mention the rights to the story and movie.

Also, as it pertains to this case there are 40 other teachers in my school who work closely with for many years. They could testify whether or not they observed any behavior that would support the girls testimony or refute it. Likewise, there is a record of every girl I ever taught since my class rosters are a matter of public record. Therefore the Defense or Prosecution could track down and see if any of the other girls also observed this behavior. If I had 20 students and teachers claiming these charges are BS the girls would be completely shamed. On the other hand if all the other teachers said that "this teacher liked to hang out with the girls" and the teacher's students said the same, then that would certainly not help this teacher's case.
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There is a process for this. It is called "the rubber room". Teachers accused go to this room, punch in at 8, punch out at 3. There they wait until their case is heard. Also, I would not rack up legal bills, I am a member of a union and legal defense is provided by lawyers fully experienced and versed in this kind of thing. If they did "plaster my picture" in the news then I would also have a very good case for slander and libel should I win my case.

This would certainly cost me at least 1 year. But during that time I am paid and accrue other benefits as well. If my colleagues were demanding that I be fired I would be outraged and would no longer work at that school. Most likely choosing to retire once this was all over. Provided I was exonerated I would get a full pension and then could begin working at a number of other options for teachers while at the same time receiving my pension.
How nice. Most of America does not enjoy such benefits.

I guess you can just go ahead calling him a creep then.
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How nice. Most of America does not enjoy such benefits.

I guess you can just go ahead calling him a creep then.
This is why we have unions, so that the threat of frivolous lawsuit or abusive principals doesn't destroy many innocent careers. I pay a monthly fee for this, just like paying for insurance.

Recently we began to be rated by our students results on exams. I love this because the politics of bad principals can no longer threaten you.

If his claim that this is completely false is true then he has a very good case for a lawsuit. If he pursues it he can clear his name, just as the Duke Lacrosse team. If he doesn't then yes, I'll continue calling him a creep.
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This is why we have unions, so that the threat of frivolous lawsuit or abusive principals doesn't destroy many innocent careers. I pay a monthly fee for this, just like paying for insurance.

Recently we began to be rated by our students results on exams. I love this because the politics of bad principals can no longer threaten you.

If his claim that this is completely false is true then he has a very good case for a lawsuit. If he pursues it he can clear his name, just as the Duke Lacrosse team. If he doesn't then yes, I'll continue calling him a creep.
[Engineers don't have unions. Neither do lawyers.]

But Moore is a Christian, so what if he is convicted by I Cor 6 not to sue these women? And if he won, would he really clear his name?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Always a creep eh?

OK, perhaps I'm finished with this topic.
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But Moore is a Christian, so what if he is convicted by I Cor 6 not to sue these women? And if he won, would he really clear his name?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Always a creep eh?

OK, perhaps I'm finished with this topic.
If he proved that the signature on the yearbook was forged (something that could be done definitively) it would prove beyond any reasonable doubt that this was a political attack based on lies. Those that do this would be exposed and it would go a long way to helping others that might be attacked in the future. The lawsuit could be funded and carried out by the Republican party so that he wouldn't have to pay or spend that much time with it. However, no one would believe that this was conceived of and carried out by the alleged victim. You convict the democratic campaign and they will pay millions to the Republican party and be forever disgraced in Alabama.

There is no reason not to go through with that unless he knows it isn't a fraud.
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If he proved that the signature on the yearbook was forged (something that could be done definitively) it would prove beyond any reasonable doubt that this was a political attack based on lies. Those that do this would be exposed and it would go a long way to helping others that might be attacked in the future. The lawsuit could be funded and carried out by the Republican party so that he wouldn't have to pay or spend that much time with it. However, no one would believe that this was conceived of and carried out by the alleged victim. You convict the democratic campaign and they will pay millions to the Republican party and be forever disgraced in Alabama.

There is no reason not to go through with that unless he knows it isn't a fraud.
Atty Allred won't release that yearbook for analysis. You know that.

Moore is running as a Republican, but the Party won't back him, in fact numerous Republican Senators want him to step down and thus give Alabama to the Democratic Party. Unbelievable!

The Never-Trumpers are now the Never-Moore's.

Pretty incredible! Look at what McConnell did -- immediately (within one hour) he asked for Moore to withdraw, but with Franken he only wants an Ethics Committee investigation, where matters like this reside until the heat passes over. McConnell is now Majority Leader of the Grand Old Swamp Party.
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O'Keefe strikes again ... a swing and a miss. Right wing attempt to discredit WaPo.

WaPo Busts James O’Keefe’s Failed Attempt to Fool Them With Fake Roy Moore Accuser
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Atty Allred won't release that yearbook for analysis. You know that.
If there is a trial there would be no choice -- without producing it he would be found guilty of forgery, fraud, libel and slander.

Likewise the allegation about him being on a watch by Mall cops could easily be proven or disproved.

In both of these cases if he alleged slander and libel the burden would be on them to prove their claims. If they didn't bring forth evidence backing the claim they would lose.

He can claim everything is false because he knows their will be no trial. The only way there will be a trial is if he brings one for slander, but if he does that then they can counter sue.

So, when I look at the evidence what do I see:

1. Multiple accusations that individually are not (for the most part) criminal, but they are creepy.

2. Corroboration from coworkers of his, again not of criminality but of creepiness.

3. Corroboration from Mall cops.

4. Corroboration from a phone call to the school.

5. Corroboration from Roy Moore who says he never dated a girl without the mother's permission.

and finally,

6. Corroboration from the yearbook.

If the yearbook were proven false I would also dismiss the phone call without hard and solid evidence. If the Mall cops claim were proven false then I would agree with you that this was a political attack of the lowest and most despicable level. On the other hand if he does not work to clear his name on those two counts I will accept their claims and dismiss his denial as the lies of a liar who knows he won't have to prove it.

There is of course another possibility. He may have intentionally chosen to date 17 and 18 year olds, which in Alabama was probably legal. He may have also mistakenly had that adventure with the 14 year old since she was a waitress and he didn't realize she wasn't 17. That is the risk you take when you date 17 year olds. If this is the case I don't think it is fair to label him a pedophile, but creep does seem very appropriate.
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Atty Allred won't release that yearbook for analysis. You know that.

Moore is running as a Republican, but the Party won't back him, in fact numerous Republican Senators want him to step down and thus give Alabama to the Democratic Party. Unbelievable!

The Never-Trumpers are now the Never-Moore's.

Pretty incredible! Look at what McConnell did -- immediately (within one hour) he asked for Moore to withdraw, but with Franken he only wants an Ethics Committee investigation, where matters like this reside until the heat passes over. McConnell is now Majority Leader of the Grand Old Swamp Party.
They all should get the boot, regardless of party.
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They all should get the boot, regardless of party.
As should have Bill Clinton even prior to being elected president on the basis of evidence against him in the Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey cases. I was not a fan of the man. I didn't vote in the presidential election of 1991 cuz I didn't like either major party candidate nor Ross Perot. In the next presidential election I voted for Ralph Nader.
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They all should get the boot, regardless of party.
They need to reveal which in Congress have used this secret "Shush" Fund.

Term limits would help too.
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They need to reveal which in Congress have used this secret "Shush" Fund.

Term limits would help too.
Wouldn't that be something available under the freedom of information act?
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Wouldn't that be something available under the freedom of information act?
Judicial Watch has used FOIA to expose endless Clinton / Obama corruptions.
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I suspect if we dig a little deeper we'll discover that Clinton was not the first to bring corruption to the US government.
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Racist Trump has a long history of verbal attacks on Native Americans. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-pocaho...ericans-724204 Staging the code talker ceremony in front of infamous Indian killer Andrew Jackson was a dog whistle to his racist supporters.
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Racist Trump has a long history of verbal attacks on Native Americans. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-pocaho...ericans-724204 Staging the code talker ceremony in front of infamous Indian killer Andrew Jackson was a dog whistle to his racist supporters.
Do you really think Trump gives a hang about Native Americans? He only cares if he can get a cut of the profits from their casinos.
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Do you really think Trump gives a hang about Native Americans? He only cares if he can get a cut of the profits from their casinos.
No, I don't. Trump disrespected them. He turned the ceremony that was supposedly to honor the code talkers into a stunt to designed to embarrass Elizabeth Warren because she has been highly visible in her opposition to the Republican tax scam in the senate. It was a bully's tactic. He has no shame. Zephaniah 3:5
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No, I don't. Trump disrespected them. He turned the ceremony that was supposedly to honor the code talkers into a stunt to designed to embarrass Elizabeth Warren because she has been highly visible in her opposition to the Republican tax scam in the senate. It was a bully's tactic. He has no shame.
Doesn't Warren or others have any responsibility to be factual about their nationality?

Harvard University highly promoted their diverse teaching staff to include Native Americans based on E-Warren's deceptions.

It's so refreshing to have a Prez who is not afraid to expose PC lies.

Instead of apologizing for her deceit, Pocahontus and the liberal media twist the story into a minority attack, which all cretin liberals just swallow.

Reminds me of all those in Mass. who believed John Kerry was Irish, and the kept electing him as their Senator.
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Doesn't Warren or others have any responsibility to be factual about their nationality?

Harvard University highly promoted their diverse teaching staff to include Native Americans based on E-Warren's deceptions.

It's so refreshing to have a Prez who is not afraid to expose PC lies.

Instead of apologizing for her deceit, Pocahontus and the liberal media twist the story into a minority attack, which all cretin liberals just swallow.

Reminds me of all those in Mass. who believed John Kerry was Irish, and the kept electing him as their Senator.
What does that have to do with the heroism of the code talkers he was supposed to be honoring? This was another instance in a pattern of behavior Trump has shown wherein he disrespects war heroes and gold star families.
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What does that have to do with the heroism of the code talkers he was supposed to be honoring? This was another instance in a pattern of behavior Trump has shown wherein he disrespects war heroes and gold star families.
Good morning! You're up early!

It has nothing to do with the heroism of the Code Talkers.

We are in a highly politicized climate. Each side using every opportunity to bash the other. Not much different from liberals bashing Trump at Christmas, or Thanksgiving, or New Years, or a Commencement. Each side cheers when it happens.

But Trump never disrespected the last surviving Code Talkers, who were heroes, he only disrespected Warren, who deceived us into thinking that she was Native American. She also deceived Harvard Univ. and all the staff and students there. Trump was just bad-mouthing his future 2020 political rival. Kind of stuff he faces regularly in the media.

I don't like it, but unfortunately it's the world we live in. It's toxic. It's political war. It goes on every day. Both sides blame the other. Can't see it getting any better either.
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Doesn't Warren or others have any responsibility to be factual about their nationality?

Harvard University highly promoted their diverse teaching staff to include Native Americans based on E-Warren's deceptions.

It's so refreshing to have a Prez who is not afraid to expose PC lies.

Instead of apologizing for her deceit, Pocahontus and the liberal media twist the story into a minority attack, which all cretin liberals just swallow.

Reminds me of all those in Mass. who believed John Kerry was Irish, and the kept electing him as their Senator.
We have a law designed to make up for past injustices by balancing them out with current injustices. As a result there is a huge incentive to say you are "native american". For example, when Harvard is accused of not having enough diversity they trot out Elizabeth Warren. No doubt this gave her job security. Surely she should have to provide proof for claiming she is native american. But she doesn't, regardless of how many times the issue is raised.

Genetic testing could easily prove if she had any appreciable amount of native heritage. Since she refuses to verify her claim this charge will continue to haunt her.
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Matt Lauer is the latest to be terminated.

He was the king in morning news. Hard to believe. Shock waves ...
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We have a law designed to make up for past injustices by balancing them out with current injustices. As a result there is a huge incentive to say you are "native american". For example, when Harvard is accused of not having enough diversity they trot out Elizabeth Warren. No doubt this gave her job security. Surely she should have to provide proof for claiming she is native American. But she doesn't, regardless of how many times the issue is raised.

Genetic testing could easily prove if she had any appreciable amount of native heritage. Since she refuses to verify her claim this charge will continue to haunt her.
It's all crazy.

We now have people who hate their "whiteness," and decide they are a person of color locked up in a "white" body.

Oh the available perks ...

As one brother/doctor from M.I.T. once told me, "I am a native American, I was born here."
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He was the king in morning news. Hard to believe. Shock waves ...
What you do in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. Simply fulfillment of the Lord's word.

What is very interesting is Hope Solo's charge. Will American sensibilities spread worldwide? Are European power brokers also going to be held up to the same standards? What about Asian, African, Russian? If you think American leaders are corrupt wait till we lift that sheet.
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You've obviously been in the garlic room too long.
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Garrison Keillor fired by Minnesota Public Radio over allegations of inappropriate behavior
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-behavior.html

His Plymouth Brethren parents prolly aren't pleased.
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I think that is the first time I have seen the term "refreshing" used to refer to President Trump.
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Time to get out of that big city swamp, and visit a rural Red State for a change, where PC talk is despicable.
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What you do in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. Simply fulfillment of the Lord's word.

What is very interesting is Hope Solo's charge. Will American sensibilities spread worldwide? Are European power brokers also going to be held up to the same standards? What about Asian, African, Russian? If you think American leaders are corrupt wait till we lift that sheet.
What is very interesting is Hope Solo's charge???

Wasn't she charged with domestic violence?

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What is very interesting is Hope Solo's charge???

Wasn't she charged with domestic violence?

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We are seeing one powerful American after another get fired / resign / settle lawsuits for behavior that is considered normal in Italy and France. However, there are international unions like that with soccer where the US is part of this union. Will US norms become the world standard? That is what I find interesting.

Her charge and his response indicates that it is business as usual, or that is what they hope. I doubt that will be the case.
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You do know that Trump is from NY. Are you saying he's a creature from the swamp?
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We are seeing one powerful American after another get fired / resign / settle lawsuits for behavior that is considered normal in Italy and France. However, there are international unions like that with soccer where the US is part of this union. Will US norms become the world standard? That is what I find interesting.

Her charge and his response indicates that it is business as usual, or that is what they hope. I doubt that will be the case.
She was charged with domestic violence. Is that what Italian women do?
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You do know that Trump is from NY. Are you saying he's a creature from the swamp?
Trump got out, and you can too!
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Huh? Translation please.
After the garlic room, anything is refreshing. Even Trump.
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Trump got out, and you can too!
Now I know you aren't talking about Washington!
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Now I know you aren't talking about Washington!
Bahahahahaha
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From al.com (Alabama local news) :

Roy Moore co-authored course saying women shouldn't run for office
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...roy_moore.html

Teaching Biblical patriarchy, and criticizing women’s suffrage.
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From al.com (Alabama local news) :

Roy Moore co-authored course saying women shouldn't run for office
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Teaching Biblical patriarchy, and criticizing women’s suffrage.

Moore made some good points, eh?
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Moore made some good points, eh?
My friend Hosepipe says all our troubles began when women got to vote. I think it was the formation of the Federal Reserve, 7 years before women got the vote.
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Bro Ohio, here's your shush fund :

Politico on Friday identified Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) as the congressman who used $84,000 in taxpayer funds to settle a sexual harassment claim.
Farenthold said he believed the solution saved taxpayers money.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009
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Bro Ohio, here's your shush fund :

Politico on Friday identified Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) as the congressman who used $84,000 in taxpayer funds to settle a sexual harassment claim.
Farenthold said he believed the solution saved taxpayers money.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000009
As we pull this thread the whole thing will unravel. Ironically this will help drain the swamp.
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Mueller doesn't work with Flynn unless Flynn can give a bigger fish. That eliminates the whole "rogue operator" claim. Hard to see that any "bigger fish" is not in Trump's inner circle. On the other hand no way Flynn works with Mueller unless he is guilty and they have the evidence.
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I read that Flynn has promised “full cooperation” in the special counsel’s Russia investigation and is willing to testify that Donald Trump directed him to contact the Russians. Clearly Trump lied repeatedly and sought to obstruct justice. How can congress fail to impeach him? And lets not forget Pence's lies and covering up. He should go down too.
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I read that Flynn has promised “full cooperation” in the special counsel’s Russia investigation and is willing to testify that Donald Trump directed him to contact the Russians. Clearly Trump lied repeatedly and sought to obstruct justice. How can congress fail to impeach him? And lets not forget Pence's lies and covering up. He should go down too.
It was his job to contact, not only the Russians, but many ambassadors and heads of state.

What about election collusion?
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It was his job to contact, not only the Russians, but many ambassadors and heads of state.

What about election collusion?
..and then to lie and deny it repeatedly. Why did he plead guilty? Maybe he's confused.
You should talk to Flynn and straighten him out. He seems to lack your clear vision just now.
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..and then to lie and deny it repeatedly. Why did he plead guilty? Maybe he's confused.
You should talk to Flynn and straighten him out. He seems to lack your clear vision just now.
He lied about contacts with the Russians long before Trump was elected.

Both he and Manafort and others had connections with Russians before Trump even announced his Presidency.

Sorry your vision is so dimmed by hatred. Mueller and Comey allowed the Obama administration and the Clintons to escape numerous felonies and treason. No justice here. This is a hit job. These deep state operatives are willing to destroy the nation for personal gains. Pretty sad.
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Sorry your vision is so dimmed by hatred.
Bahahahaha. If this isn't projection I don't know what is.

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Yeah, the deep state, the liberals, Obama, Hillary. George Soros, and the LGBTQ, are all conspiring together to create a hit job on Trump.

But Trump said he'd pick the best. And this is what he selected. Obviously he didn't explain what best meant. The best what?
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He lied about contacts with the Russians long before Trump was elected.

Both he and Manafort and others had connections with Russians before Trump even announced his Presidency.

Sorry your vision is so dimmed by hatred. Mueller and Comey allowed the Obama administration and the Clintons to escape numerous felonies and treason. No justice here. This is a hit job. These deep state operatives are willing to destroy the nation for personal gains. Pretty sad.
But what about this? and what about that? Your boy Trump is going down. It's just a matter of timing. Hopefully, they'll bring him down before he gets us into nuclear war with NK.

Who do you suppose I hate? Only the tyrants and bullies who deceive and prey upon the weak. I count Trump among the most dangerous of that ilk. You may ask what about this one or what about that one? But, only Trump is the POTUS in the position to do the maximum damage. And, he must be stopped before he has the chance.
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But what about this? and what about that? Your boy Trump is going down. It's just a matter of timing. Hopefully, they'll bring him down before he gets us into nuclear war with NK.

Who do you suppose I hate? Only the tyrants and bullies who deceive and prey upon the weak. I count Trump among the most dangerous of that ilk. You may ask what about this one or what about that one? But, only Trump is the POTUS in the position to do the maximum damage. And, he must be stopped before he has the chance.
The ol' Whataboutism or "whataboutery" (Used by the Soviet Union), diversion tacit. But Trump is holding the power ... not all those whatabout's.
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Well Trump has explained why he had to fire Flynn. Sad that Flynn would lie about this stuff to the FBI and Senate when nothing illegal was done. Almost makes you wonder why Flynn lied.
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Well Trump has explained why he had to fire Flynn. Sad that Flynn would lie about this stuff to the FBI and Senate when nothing illegal was done. Almost makes you wonder why Flynn lied.
Why would you believe the spin of a chronic liar like Trump? Nothing illegal was done? Really? Flynn would lie to cover up, obviously.
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Why would you believe the spin of a chronic liar like Trump? Nothing illegal was done? Really? Flynn would lie to cover up, obviously.
Trump tweeted today that he fired Flynn for lying. If he knew Flynn was lying, and asked Comey to back off Flynn, then Trump is guilty of obstruction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ilty-plea.html
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As we pull this thread the whole thing will unravel. Ironically this will help drain the swamp.
Want to stop all this sexual harassment in Washington? Then vote only for those without a penis.
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The Senate GOP :"Before we discuss raising taxes on the poor & middle class, adding $1 trillion to the deficit, taking health insurance away from 13 million, raising premiums by 10%, defending treason and swearing in a pedophile, let's begin with a prayer."
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Trump tweeted today that he fired Flynn for lying. If he knew Flynn was lying, and asked Comey to back off Flynn, then Trump is guilty of obstruction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ilty-plea.html
Do you expect the Liar and Chief to keep track of all the lies he tells? He's a busy man, give him a break.
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Want to stop all this sexual harassment in Washington? Then vote only for those without a penis.
"You have to believe it's getting better, it's getting better all the time. {It can't get no worse.}"
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Want to stop all this sexual harassment in Washington? Then vote only for those without a penis.
Seriously? You really think sexual harassment is only by men? It is by people in power, male or female.
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I think people have misunderstood all the tolerance of Trump. Yes he tolerates Roy Moore, and yes he tolerates the KKK, he tolerates war heroes who aren't really war heroes, he tolerates gold star parents who are democrats, etc. But there is one thing he won't tolerate, lying to Mike Pence.
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I think people have misunderstood all the tolerance of Trump. Yes he tolerates Roy Moore, and yes he tolerates the KKK, etc. But there is one thing he won't tolerate, lying to Mike Pence.
You gotta hand it to him and the Republican Congress. They just pulled off a world historic trillion plus dollar Bait and Switch on the majority of American people...and they're not done yet.
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You gotta hand it to him and the Republican Congress. They just pulled off a world historic trillion plus dollar Bait and Switch on the majority of American people...and they're not done yet.
But, given Flynn, will Trump remain in office long enough to sign it?
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But, given Flynn, will Trump remain in office long enough to sign it?
We just learned that it is Trump's lawyer who has been writing his tweets! Well now we know the legal strategy: he is building a case for insanity.
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We just learned that it is Trump's lawyer who has been writing his tweets! Well now we know the legal strategy: he is building a case for insanity.
it hurts when I laugh.
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Sorry I'm late to the party, but this just in :

'Mueller poses an existential threat to the Trump presidency,' says Trump ally Newsmax CEO Chris Ruddy

"Newsmax CEO Chris Ruddy, a close ally of President Trump's, admitted the Russia probe could spell major trouble for the administration.
'You know, at the end of the the day, my view is that – Robert Mueller poses an existential threat to the Trump presidency,' Ruddy said Sunday on ABC's This Week."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...residency.html
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Here's the money quote Dowd gave to Axios: The “president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under [the Constitution's Article II] and has every right to express his view of any case.”

I thought if any law enforcement official was in any way involved with a case, friends of the family, possible collusion, etc, then they should recuse themselves. Being the chief law enforcement officer doesn't give you the right to fire the person who is prosecuting you, or members of your family, or your transition team.
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Two national monuments in Utah that President Donald Trump is going to significantly reduce include ancient cliff dwellings and scenic canyons as well as areas that could be used for energy development.

During a March 2011 phone interview with "Fox and Friends," Donald Trump touted a business interaction he had with former Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi as a prime example of his business prowess: "I dealt with Qaddafi. I rented him a piece of land. He paid me more for one night than the land was worth for two years, and then I didn't let him use the land. That's what we should be doing. I don't want to use the word 'screwed', but I screwed him. That's what we should be doing."
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But, given Flynn, will Trump remain in office long enough to sign it?
Trump's lawyer claims that Trump cannot be guilty of obstruction of justice because he is the highest official in the criminal justice department.

I thought we crossed this bridge with the Magna Carta, everyone is subject to the law and no one is above the law.
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