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Old 07-09-2020, 08:35 PM   #1
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In Viet Nam, by the picking up one old copy of The Stream Magazine, dated 1965, in one Christian Library in Vietnam, we, some Christians in one denomination(Christian Missionary Alliance in US), had begun the rough church life from 1980.

Now, 2020, there are about 45 rough local churches in all Vietnam. This is the wonderful work of God in our closed country. After many years practicing the new way according LSM, on one side, we had been enjoyed many riches in God's word through the teaching of Bro. W. Nee, and one other side, we were feeling that we are the proud men, the hypocritical Christians. In the church meetings we prophesied the truths that we had not yet experienced, such as to say the lessons to our elementary teachers in the schools. Thank God, on one hand, we had gone out from the Babylon, but on the other hand, it seems we are under just other system.

I read in the book of Bro. Nee, preaching 1952, (The Church Affairs) He says that in the book Acts, there were over two work centers. If there was not the Antioch center, we should come back to the Catholic Church. Because it is right. I see in the Recovery of The LC, there is one capital, only one center. So we can not say "amen". From 2015, there was about 7 localities that went out of the LC. Praise The Lord, because by God's grace, we, the saints in Viet Nam had been recovered in The Lord. We want to be recovered fully, completely according the teachings of The Bible, not by the teachings of men.

Pray for us.
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Old 07-16-2020, 08:01 AM   #2
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Hodos,

Thank you so much for giving us this update on what is happening in Viet Nam. May the Lord continue to encourage, enlighten and strengthen you brothers and sisters there in Viet Nam.

It sounds like some of the Local Church saints there have felt like the Lord has been restricted within the system of the Living Stream Ministry churches (many here feel the same way) and have taken a bold step of faith to "go outside of the gate" and give the Lord freedom to work in and among the saints apart from the burdens and restrictions dictated by the headquarters in Anaheim California.

I believe God will honor your desire to serve and worship him, no matter what the cost.

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Old 07-16-2020, 11:57 PM   #3
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.... and one other side, we were feeling that we are the proud men, the hypocritical Christians. In the church meetings we prophesied the truths that we had not yet experienced, such as to say the lessons to our elementary teachers in the schools. Thank God, on one hand, we had gone out from the Babylon, but on the other hand, it seems we are under just other system.
What is great is that you recognised your own pride and hypocracy. It is the stumbling block for all humanity, for all time. And you've identified it and seperated yourselves from it, and identified that the LRM was fostering pride.

God is clearly with you as your hearts are right before Him.

The breaking of the power and sovereignty of the Catholic Church, released Europe into a place where things could move forward. Having denominations keep the Christian church from being able to gain power in the way the Catholic Church did. This lead to human rights and the rule of law, which is why people have human rights and freedoms in western culture. And a good legal system (not perfect, but good).

Its so important to have the freedom of multiple churches, it actually helps keep your focus on Jesus rather than an institution, or a person. It prevents the uncontrolled gathering of power that is so tempting to people when the opportunity arises. Especially when they can't see their own pride!

I bless you in your endeavours to establish a healthy organisation under which you are all able to worship freely and sincerely.
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Old 07-17-2020, 07:23 AM   #4
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Praise The Lord, who have mercy on His small, tender, late saints in Viet Nam, because we very lately received the Recovery way from 1970, but until the Viet Nam war to be ended, we should practice the church life in the year 1980.
In 1996 there was one worker from LSM coming to Viet Nam to unify all the rough churches here into one human system.
Several of us to be drived away...and to be pushed against the wall. But after some years bro. John So coming to Viet Nam. He gave us the book of bro. John Ingall---"To tell The truth in the love". We the first time knew about the fall of LSM.
Hallelujah. The throne of God is controling all things in the same way forever.
Thank God. All glories be to Him forever!
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:42 AM   #5
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Praise The Lord, who have mercy on His small, tender, late saints in Viet Nam, because we very lately received the Recovery way from 1970, but until the Viet Nam war to be ended, we should practice the church life in the year 1980.
In 1996 there was one worker from LSM coming to Viet Nam to unify all the rough churches here into one human system.
Several of us to be drived away...and to be pushed against the wall. But after some years bro. John So coming to Viet Nam. He gave us the book of bro. John Ingall---"To tell The truth in the love". We the first time knew about the fall of LSM.
Hallelujah. The throne of God is controling all things in the same way forever.
Thank God. All glories be to Him forever!
Welcome to the forum! John Ingalls' book is a very good one which many on this forum have been helped by. Most of us on here, as you probably know, do not meet with LSM controlled churches any more. Some small groups of us still meet in an open way, like the format we had in the LSM controlled churches. The saints can testify about any experience of Christ they have, or any author/speaker they may want to share - not just exclusive Witness Lee stuff all the time. I've been with such a group now for over 20 years, and it has been a very good and rich fellowship, with a focus always on Christ alone and His word.
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Old 07-17-2020, 11:05 PM   #6
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I just wanted to encourage you dear brothers and sisters in Vietnam. Here is a short testimony of another who found themselves lost and trapped in their sinfulness, and pride. Outside of the true saving grace of Jesus. Until he found it, of course!!

https://youtu.be/szO406OEhOg
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Old 07-19-2020, 12:09 AM   #7
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We are some of saints, living in Vietnam. Some years ago, we have been out of the Recovery churches system of LSM, and now we are practicing local church life in our city. Now we are so happy in Christ and in church life.

While worshiping our Father, we read only the Bible and follow God's Word. We do not want follow man but Christ. If any brothers and sisters have the opportunity to come to Vietnam, please visit us.

Thanks God, our Father. We are members of one Body of Christ. We are one in Christ, in His Word, and we love one another. Hallelujah!
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:18 PM   #8
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Halelujah! Praise The Lord, Our glorious Victor!
After the saints in Viet Nam had been practicing the church life from 1980 and 1981, immediatly the protestant churches in Viet Nam had given us many heavy persecutions until the year 2000, these were reduced and temporary stopped....But the saints in the LSM LC churches have persecuted us heavy at once when we durst to go out their LSM churches from several years ago.
There also are many saints have seen the wrong way of LSM, but they dare not to leave them, because they fear the persecutions from the leading ones in LC Viet Nam.
Now there are six groups of saints in the inner city of Ho Chi Minh City. They are meeting outside the LSM churches.
Brothers, pray for us
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