Evaluation of Elders

[Paul Cox]

Witness Lee's concept of bearing fruit is strictly the increase of head count, and nothing more. You are right, Ohio, Witness Lee should have been paying more attention to the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Even if he insisted that fruit was strictly numbers, then he should have looked inward for why the Lord's 'blessing' started to wane from the Living Stream Church. It had little to do with elders not learning enough over the decades and all to do with his own elevation to near deity while at the same time covering up gross immorality right in his own ministry office.

The problem with Witness Lee was that it was always somebody else's fault and not his. Reminds me of another Anointed One who occupies the highest office in our land.

Originally Posted by Paul Cox

Witness Lee's concept of bearing fruit is strictly the increase of head count, and nothing more. You are right, Ohio, Witness Lee should have been paying more attention to the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Even if he insisted that fruit was strictly numbers, then he should have looked inward for why the Lord's 'blessing' started to wane from the Living Stream Church. It had little to do with elders not learning enough over the decades and all to do with his own elevation to near deity while at the same time covering up gross immorality right in his own ministry office.

The problem with Witness Lee was that it was always somebody else's fault and not his. Reminds me of another Anointed One who occupies the highest office in our land.

It bothers me when anyone bad mouths Br Lee. I have meet him several times during my year in Anaheim Calf. and there is no other man I have met in my life that was total given to God and the Church.I think if this person had ever met him he would agree... Br Lee and his life was total before God now how many of us could clam that. I you don't have a positive post about others in the Church or Christians, then you should not post here I only speak for my self but I think this post should be deleted because it is not what we are about.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It bothers me when anyone bad mouths Br Lee. I have meet him several times during my year in Anaheim Calf. and there is no other man I have met in my life that was total given to God and the Church.I think if this person had ever met him he would agree... Br Lee and his life was total before God now how many of us could clam that. I you don't have a positive post about others in the Church or Christians, then you should not post here I only speak for my self but I think this post should be deleted because it is not what we are about.

Dear Guest,

The sole reason I have ever "bad-mouthed" Lee or another minister is that they have hurt people. They have hurt God's children.

I realize you have met a sweet and personable man whom many have loved, including myself. But I loved other brothers too. Our love for Lee should not be greater than our love for others, since our love should be without partiality and without respect of persons.

Witness Lee hurt people in order to maintain his own pristine image. Had he not done that, using the power he once had for evil, then this forum would not exist.

[Cassidy]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Dear Guest,

The sole reason I have ever "bad-mouthed" Lee or another minister is that they have hurt people. They have hurt God's children.

I realize you have met a sweet and personable man whom many have loved, including myself. But I loved other brothers too. Our love for Lee should not be greater than our love for others, since our love should be without partiality and without respect of persons.

Witness Lee hurt people in order to maintain his own pristine image. Had he not done that, using the power he once had for evil, then this forum would not exist.

Ohio,

Unreg was not addressing your love for Br Lee compared to other brothers. He/she was objecting to bad-mouthing Br. Lee.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Cassidy

Ohio,

Unreg was not addressing your love for Br Lee compared to other brothers. He/she was objecting to bad-mouthing Br. Lee.

Maybe I should inform UnReggie that Brother Lee bad-mouthed every Christian he ever spoke of, except of course those few selects on his MOTA list.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

It bothers me when anyone bad mouths Br Lee. I have meet him several times during my year in Anaheim Calf. and there is no other man I have met in my life that was total given to God and the Church.I think if this person had ever met him he would agree... Br Lee and his life was total before God now how many of us could clam that. I you don't have a positive post about others in the Church or Christians, then you should not post here I only speak for my self but I think this post should be deleted because it is not what we are about.

I met him, on several occasions. My personal, face to face encounters with him were in Irving, though I did meet him in Anaheim and Taipei as well. No doubt about it, he had the appearance of a godly man. However we all must make account for our actions. Daystar, the sister's rebellion, and the way in which the PL mess was handled were not the actions of a godly man. Had he made full confession and restitution I would agree that we should move on, but he didn't.

Likewise anyone who teaches the Bible is held to a higher standard and is put under a much bigger microscope. This is as it should be. As a result anything that he taught should be inspected and evaluated.

Finally, I "ate" lunch with PL once. This person did not have the slightest appearance of godliness, on the contrary he appeared fleshly and carnal. That does speak to WL as a father (the children are a testimony to the parents) and it speaks to his judgment since PL was running the business side of the LSM at the time.