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Old 10-18-2019, 09:24 PM   #1
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Default One City One Church, any of the Church Fathers Practice it?

I think many members of the LC didn't use their brain enough when they're taught of certain doctrine. I no longer see the one city one church as truth when I use my basic logic. I accepted it back then not because I was convinced but because I was taught like that, that's what I know about Christianity from a non Christian background. Think about it, how many scholar or believers in this world? They don't see the ground of oneness yet watchman saw it, the Lord have revealed to him. How strange, sounds like Joseph Smith experience?

The LC are locked within their own thing, since they're so proud of themselves, it's a closed and self serving system. They say they practice open fellowship, says if 10 brothers gatherd, they will make a conclusion or agreement by majority vote, but obviously they're not open up that fellowship to the rest of the body. Their oneness is practiced within themselves, strange nobody raise the issue. Because I think no one dare to raise the issue, otherwise you'll be quarantine for speaking the truth or be label as rebellion. How does this kind of environment is encouraging? The damage done to the people within is not a small matter. It fooled people and caused them to lost the blessing from being able to love other Christian who's not in their group.
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:38 AM   #2
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I think many members of the LC didn't use their brain enough when they're taught of certain doctrine. I no longer see the one city one church as truth when I use my basic logic. I accepted it back then not because I was convinced but because I was taught like that, that's what I know about Christianity from a non Christian background. Think about it, how many scholar or believers in this world? They don't see the ground of oneness yet watchman saw it, the Lord have revealed to him. How strange, sounds like Joseph Smith experience?
It's actually quite a bit like the Joseph Smith experience. A man gets a revelation, then followers gathering round validates the revelation, then that validation of dedicated adherents becomes the selling point. And nobody really looks back and asks, but is the revelation itself true? They just see the mass of followers and suppose that it must be valid.

In the case of Nee, "one city one church" was a convenient way to shed China of foreign influence. The hated "running dogs of the West" could be dismissed in toto. The Local Church with Local (Chinese) oversight became the basis of the Normal Christian Church Life as Nee saw it. It's simplicity became its selling point, and they came in by the thousands. That coming in validated Nee as the Minister of the Age, and he could then reverse field and cancel the idea of local autonomy in his new "centralisation revelation" which was the Jerusalem Principle. All the local churches should report to the center. Naturally Nee was at the pinnacle of the HQ.

But in the New Testament, you had multiple 'ekklesia' per city. Each gathering of two or three was an 'ekklesia'. Paul's epistle to the Romans shows them meeting in the homes - obviously there is more than one house in Rome. Acts 17:41 has the public official dismissing the 'ekklesia' - clearly there were meetings or gatherings which were not of Jesus.

But none of this mattered in 1928 China. They had a way to separate themselves from foreign domination. So One City One Church it was.

There is another parallel with Joseph Smith: today, Mormons are questioning why he had to "seal" 14 year-old girls among his 27 wives. And so forth: people are thinking about what happened - did it make sense? Was there self-interest involved? Was what happened really in accord with New Testament principles as laid out by Jesus and the apostles? Likewise in the LC, the behaviours of Nee and Lee and their followers in the One Church One City paradigm are beginning to get openly re-assessed by formerly passive and docile church members.
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I think many members of the LC didn't use their brain enough when they're taught of certain doctrine. I no longer see the one city one church as truth when I use my basic logic. I accepted it back then not because I was convinced but because I was taught like that, that's what I know about Christianity from a non Christian background. Think about it, how many scholar or believers in this world?
Chan, welcome to the forum! Please consider registering and sharing more.

Here is a link to a forum post written by an anonymous poster, a former leader in the Recovery. His thoughtful study of "one city, one church" has been a help to many.
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