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Muller has all the information he wants. There is nothing he can learn from Trump. But Muller can't find a crime, so he needs to set a perjury trap for Trump like he did with General Flynn. Perhaps it is a crime to tell the NFL players to stand for the national anthem.
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There was not a single Philadelphia Eagle's player that kneeled during the national Anthem this year. Falling for that hokey "national celebration" is embarrassing to anyone with an IQ greater than 80
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Convince a couple of Republicans and it will be done.
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If Obama had done the same as Trump in his first year, he would have already been impeached.
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That won't happen. The pubbies don't even care if Russia meddles in our elections, as long as they win.
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Well not the Fox facts.
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Why is it that Trump hatred tends to remove 50 points off one's IQ? Apparently only 2 players and the mascot actually planned to visit the White House. Just a cheesy plan to embarrass Trump prior to the NoKo Summit. The NFL has become classless, and disrespectful to our nation. The fans get it. Perhaps low IQ?
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Whatever happened to democracy, representing the people? Yes, these athletes represent a complete mix of our society, but all of them are rich, every single one, and as a result they tend to be more conservative and more republican than their age and race would suggest. You have the need to say "cheesy"? The cheesiest thing was that pathetic celebration Trump had. The only people who actually kneeled during the national anthem took place during his Whitehouse celebration. He is an embarrassment.
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Your comment proves how the Democratic Party is the party of the rich, but not as you say "more Republican." Isn't it becoming hard for you to manipulate the facts around a false narrative? Don't the statistical facts tell us that the rich from the wealthy states are far more apt to be Liberals? And the poor working men and women are more apt to be conservative? Representing the people? How about a fair and honest Press. Obviously these rich, coastline, millennial athletes have been influenced by negative Press, 95% of which is skewed to smear the President. Why don't you fact check some of their distortions? Why do you discard your forensics training when it comes to the media? Have you ever looked into the so-called underlying protest movement concerning the National Anthem? Have you any idea how many lies, distortions, and deceptions are promulgated to maintain this false narrative? "White cops targeting innocent black men" has no basis in reality -- but who cares -- because nearly all professional football and basketball players have swallowed this fiction. How do you justify all your hatred with the Lord's command to love even your enemies? And Paul's instructions to pray for our leaders? I hear a lot of backlash against evangelical Christians, but I saw much more prayer from them concerning Obama, than I see in your hatred coming from Liberals towards Trump.
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It's not that complicated. You're a smart guy. Take a few days off to figure it out. And let me remind you that this whole movement was initiated by Nessa Diab, the very progressive and pretty Muslam radio host girlfriend of Colin Kapernick. Amazing what she has done to a formerly Christian athlete.
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That is not what they are doing and you know it.
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But none of those players is on the Philadelphia Eagles. Claiming that this is the reason to cancel the celebration is, how did you say it, "willfully ignorant".
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What do I know about who doing what???
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Is that too hard to understand? Show me one another place of employment that allows its employees to offend its customers with political statements about our national anthem, our flag, our military, etc?
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White House: ‘Vast Majority’ of Philadelphia Eagles Abandoned Fans Sorry but your info is just plain wrong. I suppose you got it from a fake news network. Report: Nick Foles Was the Only Eagle Going to the White House You keep saying the Eagles did not protest. Sure they did. Look at the fists.
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Yes, that is true. But if they are free, then so are the owners to hire them or not. The complaint that they have to hire these players is really pathetic.
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Only Nick Foles planned to go. It was just a "game" from the beginning ... And the end for me.
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But instead he cancels it blaming them for: 1. Kneeling in protest of our Anthem -- something they didn't do and then when that is exposed as a lie 2. Attempting to reschedule when he isn't there. Just say no, can't do it then, we'll have to do it as scheduled, and when very few show up let the US decide who is at fault, who is insulting who. I think 50% of us would see not showing up as another insult to our country, and again these athlete millionaires would have lost the PR battle, coming across as spoiled whiners. Instead he is afraid of anything that would challenge his self centered concept that he is superior to everyone else. His fear that the crowd who comes to his inauguration is smaller and the those who come to his parties are fewer. In the process he reveals his deceitfulness. Now everyone except for the most rabid Trump supporter will see this as Trump insulting the NFL, the Eagles, and their fans.
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Perhaps the courageous Nick Foles showed up. Unfortunately the progressive, liberal left has never been tolerant of those who disagree, and Nick's career with the Eagles may be over. Trump Derangement Syndrome -- blinded by hate, deceived by the Press.
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What a breath of fresh air seeing a little common sense on this thread! Yeah Z!
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So then the players can decide if their cause is worth losing that big paycheck or not.
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Not even the courts will be able to help Colon Kapernick. I just read that he will attempt to subpoena Trump to testify. Good luck with that. Poor, poor Kapernick! Another Christian son brought down by a pretty girl. And a Muslam too. I hope he did not have to give up his faith for her love. He should have read the Proverbs. A beautiful woman who lacks discretion is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout. (11.22)
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Maybe he should become a preacher. If done right, there's big money in the racket too. And he could take a knee at every sermon. Problem solved.
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Trump is literally killing fake news :
Trump's tariff on Canadian newsprint is killing US newspapers, Republicans warn https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...publicans-warn
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That is the way real civil rights leaders act.
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G-7 Summit -- Pictures are worth a thousand words!
It seems to me that President Trump is merely following good presidential precedent with his performance at the recent G-7 summit. Richard Nixon called Pierre Trudeau an “asshole.” President Reagan slammed Trudeau in one of the private sessions of the G-7 (in 1983, if memory serves correctly), because it was obvious that Trudeau was trying to channel his spirit animal, Olaf Palme. So Trump’s belittling of the eminently belittleable Justin Trudeau seems just fine. And as for Trump’s proposal that the G-7 become one big completely free trade zone, with no tariffs or trade barriers on anything, why that’s as silly as Reagan’s “Zero Option” for intermediate-range nuclear weapons in Europe! We all know how that silly idea turned out. -- Steven Hayward
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How Houston Lost Its Mind Over a Trump Shirt
After reading this article, I tried to be a little sympathetic towards this Councilwoman, but then again what she did to those young girls was wrong on so many counts. Perhaps other Trump haters will read this and begin to understand what the other side goes thru.
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Wow, I never realized USA and NK have the SAME FLAG COLORS (even the same shades, coincidence?) and look so well together. Both have stars and stripes. The start of a beautiful friendship I think.
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Matching flags? It's a sign! Little rocket man and the dotard are about to enter a bromance of epic proportions. Have you heard the one about what happens when two liars walk into a room? The dotard wants a Nobel Peace Prize to hang in the Trump Tower. Kim wants to run with the big guys. They're quite alike actually. How absurd that the world revolves around the fragile egos of infantile men like these. Oh well, it's better than when they were slinging insults at each other like petulant children.
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Who knows what will come out of the two dictators getting together? They're both liars, so how can they trust each other?
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Trump also called pro football players who protest our national anthem sob's. So in your twisted thinking some crazy is "quoting Trump" when he goes to the girls soccer game down the road screaming at them all "you sob's." Watching today's media makes everybody crazy. It's planned that way. It's a culture "war" for a reason. When DiNero stands at the awards ceremony in NYC and shouts "F Trump," is he just acting or has he lost his mind?
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Sorry you hate the guy, but don't lose your head over it. The media protected Obama from all his past sins, while megaphoning all of Trumps. Unfortunately lefties refuse to acknowledge this. Slowly the independents are seeing thru the massive smear machine.
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But it is unconscionable that a woman would repeat this to these four girls who are promoting his candidacy. The fact that there is no evidence that this woman ever assaulted anyone sexually is no longer relevant. Sounds very two faced to me. I prefer the Bible: Ps 18:26 With the pure thou wilt show thyself pure; And with the perverse thou wilt show thyself froward.
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I prefer the Bible too.
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Oddly ... me too. It may contain crazy, and even make crazy ... but my world today seems crazier.
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"I find it very strange that President Trump has such a hard time getting along with the leaders of the world's major democracies, but feels very comfortable with despots and authoritarian leaders."
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I do not agree with the pundits saying that Trump gave away too much and was played by Kim.
If in fact he has moved the negotiations into his world of real estate development, then Trump will win. This is dependent on the idea that Kim wants to be a playboy dictator with billions pouring in, living a life hobnobbing with movie stars and NBA stars, and be cheered wherever he goes as a rock star. It seems more likely to me that Trump's temptation will have more traction with him than the sales pitch of the left (transition to Democracy, give up your Nukes and trust us, we won't have you killed).
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I had that thought too -- Trump has baited Kim with some vain glory -- not just in NoKo -- but on the world's stage.
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Just last week Perez at the DNC stuck it to Bernie again. Lock them up for what they did to Burlington College.
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Trump threw South Korea and the U.S. military under the bus by agreeing to halt military exercises without consulting or even informing them in advance. No problem. Trump will likely find fault with North Korea's compliance with the agreement in time for the military to go forward as scheduled.
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People that think like you always want to lock people up. That's why the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
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It goes both ways. Funny how you want Trump impeached without reason.
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Also, I imagine the US can now play these war games on computer simulations with reasonable results.
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I am well aware of our incarceration rate and am very sure it is not due to locking up elite political operatives.
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Perhaps if a few of our crooked politicians got locked up, there would be a "trickle down" effect. What do you think ZNP?
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There are plenty of reasons to impeach Trump beginning with his flagrant, repeated violations of emoluments clause of the Constitution the most recent and glaring example of which is by making a deal with Beijing over Chinese telecommunications company ZTE.
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Well, that's not what I stated, so, so what?
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Nobody likes to be left out ...
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Trump's little meeting with Kim was historical not historic. Something that is historical is simply something that happened in the past, regardless of its significance. As William Safire once said, “Any past event is historical, but only the most memorable ones are historic.”
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Have you heard the latest liberal talking points?
All those who support Trump are part of a cult.
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Right. Trump, by meeting with him, legitimized Kim Jong-un , one of the worst violators of human rights in the world today. Nice work, dotard.
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Maybe, according to your twisted White Nationalist assessment.
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That makes you a two time cult member. Why am I not surprised?
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You're a racist.
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Or the Art of the Deal Breaker.
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Nah. Race is an illusion that you believe in. Sad.
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Meeting itself, not so bad, but it's all the unnecessary praise is the problem. It has upset the North Koreans in Canada, doubly insulting Trudeau and praising Kim. Now that Trump has brought peace between the US and NK, Canadanian North Korea is now the biggest threat, I'd be looking at building a wall South AND North.
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That's now the biggest national security threat? I think you better stick to Aussie politics.
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The mindset to lock up political leaders that commit crimes has no relationship to our incarceration rate, since people like Bagloyvich represent an infinitesimal fraction of our prison population. Trying to tie the two together is bogus.
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Now, a few months later NK attended the Olympics in SK, went to the summit, and have pledged in principal to denuclearize. We have not insulted him, instead we are giving him the carrot of billions of dollars of investments flowing into the country for development projects. Any unbiased assessment would conclude that the situation with North Korea has improved dramatically, more than in the past 20-30 years. Doesn't mean it will last, but it is a good first step towards improving relations.
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I didn't advocate what you're arguing against.
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You were in the local church during the Reagan years. The local church thinks the only good people are in the local church. (They're not intrinsically good either but they have the spirit.) Everybody else is evil. The media is evil; politicians are evil, etc ad nauseum. If Donald Trump is evil he's no different than anyone else especially any politician. Good can only come when God the Puppet Master is pulling a person's strings like the evangelicals think God is doing to Trump now. Trump is acting out God's eternal purpose by bringing Armageddon. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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This may be good news. Franklin might be coming to his senses :
Franklin Graham criticizes Trump policy of separating families at border http://thehill.com/homenews/392104-f...lies-at-border
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Concerning Pres. Reagan, here is just the first hit on my searcher ... What They Said Then: How the Liberal Media Savaged Reagan
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That's your answer? I soundly refute your statements, filled with videos and recorded statements from notable media figures, and you dismiss it as bias.
It's all a game with you.
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How is this not progressive bias?
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How is using a charitable Foundation to finance your election campaign not corrupt? I don't care what you call it progressive or conservative it's wrong.
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Muller throws Manafort in prison, revoking bail, to divert attention from the Dept. of Justice Inspector General's report released yesterday.
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If you follow the news you knew this was coming for days because Manafort allegedly tampered with Witnesses.
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Both Muller and his prosecutors (lookup Andrew Weissmann) have a long and checkered history of prosecutorial abuse.
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That's what the Clinton Foundation was established for, soliciting big money from around the globe for future favors. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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That was a problem for Clinton and would have been a bigger one for her had she become President. I don't remember that she was indicted for writing checks from her foundation to pay her bills or fund her campaign, however. I'm sure if she was, you'll tell me. That would not, however, erase Trump's crimes. He, not Hillary, is President now, you might notice.
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Rogue FBI agent echoes Hilary's disparaging comments about those who support President Trump:
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The attitude of these FBI agents is not unique. He probably does understand, but just hates them, just like Hilary. This arrogant, hateful attitude is on display at every Hollywood awards show, every late night comedy show, every media outlet except Fox, every street protest, Pelosi and Schumer, etc. I see it all the time. As has been said, the right views the left as just "wrong," but the left views the right as just "evil." This says a lot. If the right is "evil" then the left is justified in any action they take, because we all "know" that Trump is the evil Hitler and should be assassinated. Today.
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You are a forensics guy. Use your skills to dig into the facts.
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If the LEFT didn't have double standards, it would have no standards at all!
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Jeff Sessions uses Romans 13:1 to justify separating immigrant children from their parents at the border:
Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. But he fails to read on to Romans 13:10 : Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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Even Session's own church denounced him. Not to mention the all in Trump supporter, Franklin Graham.
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The US has become a nanny state for the whole world. If you don't like US border policy, perhaps it's best to stay home. What's so bad about these Central American countries? Americans want to vacation and move there. The media plastered that photo of kids sleeping in "cages" and then we find out it was taken in 2014 during the Obama admin -- fake news to smear Trump -- the guy you guys love to hate.
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He condemn the politicians of the last 30 years for these failures -- all of which promised border security, but delivered nothing. It's a farce to watch lefties demonstrate fake concern for these immigrants, when all they really want is more votes.
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PHOTOS: Inside Shelter for Illegal Alien Children Separated from Parents …Taught Hygiene, how to flush toilet, brush teeth…field trips to local museums, parks, zoo Quote:
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It's so typical of this forum so constantly dredge up exceptions to redefine the "rule." Case in point: using Franklin Graham to characterize all Christians. Like it or not, it is what it is.
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This post is Ten-fold all the condemnations you aim at me. So dastardly of you Liberal Progressives to condemn Trump for all the horrific policies he inherited from your idol Yobama.
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Dastardly of Fascist White Nationalists to blame the Libtards for their actions. But, typical, and deliberate. Trump never takes responsibility for the negative consequences of his actions. And you're apparently one with him on this point. Trump is breaking up children and families in order to provoke Congress into passing immigration legislation. That would be a big win for him.
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You will be in jail and the children will be taken somewhere else. If you are lucky. Liberalism is a progressive brain disorder, a mental health condition. Perhaps a lobotomy would help. That's what they did in Camelot.
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Why do you need these straw men?
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Hey awareness. I think I'll commit a crime today because no empathetic judge will ever separate me from my children. Have you lost your brains? Liberalism rhymes with dementia? Any idea how man men and women are in prison today ... separated from their children for committing crimes. Stay home with your children!!!
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There is a special case for people seeking US citizenship. They can jump to the front of the line if they are claiming asylum. But how do you know if their life is truly in danger or is this just a lie so they can jump in front of the line? Well, if you felt that your child would be killed if you return you would certainly stick to your story even if it meant being separated from your child, just as what happened in the case with Solomon.
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The border is now inundated with naughty children who got disciplined by their parents back in Central America and are now seeking asylum to get away from them. That's why they are happy to be separated at the border. Kids are smart. They got social media. They are playing the system.
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Are you forgetting Romans 13:10, or just ignoring it? Cuz I know you know what I mean. You're support for separating children just makes Trumpians, and the Kool-Aid drinking Republicans, look hateful and ultimately, inhumanely coldhearted. That's okay, they'll pay for it at the mid-terms.
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Using these same criteria, residents of Chicago, IL could also apply for asylum in the USA. I can't say I'd blame them. Perhaps the residents of all of these California Sanctuary Cities will soon be going to the border and seek asylum in safer states like Ohio. Perhaps they will decide to take their children to the border in Texas, because they can get a better education there than in the Los Angeles public school system.
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Do you have a fetishism for Daily Mail since you quote them so often?
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I don't have a Bible "fetish," so I did not read that verse. I find it amazing that you all of a sudden care for children at the border. Pangs of guilt perhaps?
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He is jealous of anyone who has the word of God as a lamp unto their path.
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Sessions obviously also has that same sort of fetish, or he wouldn't be quoting scripture to justify is atrocious heartless actions. But America has a long history of using the Bible to support atrocities against others (usually of color). They used it to support genocide against the first nation peoples, also separating their children, and the same for slavery ... they separated children then too. And Christians that support such actions aren't Christians, but in name only = CINO's.
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But they were harlots ... like the children coming over the border, that are also rapists. Motif (folkloristics) Child Custody - folktales of Aarne-Thompson-Uther type 926 https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0926.html
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Exercising my fetish again.
'Other governments separated mothers and children': Former CIA director is slammed for comparing Trump's immigration policy to that used by the Nazis during the Holocaust http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...i-Germany.html
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America is doing it wrong. The parents and the children should be in jail together. That's the best possible outcome, to stop illegal migration. In other countries, in SE Asia, Australia, it works! The problem with keeping children out of jail is that the mothers or fathers might be willing to go to jail for the interests of their child, knowing they are cared for by foster care etc. It's a sacrifice most parents would be willing to make. Putting the child in jail as well solves that problem, keeps them together, easier to process them as a family. The parents can protect them, and the children can play with other children.
When I say "jail", I don't mean supermax. They have toys, they have play areas, they get fed, clothed, free education, medical, all the essentials they need. Most of all they keep their family and community intact. Especially if they are from a tribal culture like the middle east, family is everything. |
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Yes, good one, Evangelical. On Blog "Grace Under Fire" in the Christian Post writer asks if Jeff Sessions is a dominionist and cautions against fascist fusing of church and state. http://blogs.christianpost.com/grace...d-state-30047/
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So on the one hand Trump denies climate change, forbids the use of certain language by government agencies, but on the other hand they have a siege mentality, feeling that the US is about to be flooded with refugees from Climate change.
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It's also child abuse and a violation of human rights.
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NATO and US wars, sanctions and destabilization caused the refugee crisis. The US meddled in the affairs of relatively stable dictatorships, causing much upheaval and unrest. Iraq led to ISIS, Syria led to the current situation, Libya, Yemen, so many other examples. This is really a replication of what occurred in South East Asia in the 60's, 70's. US actions leading to flood of refugees around the world. Because the US played a major role in causing or worsening these situations, the US should be partly responsibility for the refugees. |
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Stop being distracted by the children crying. The big story here is that the US government is lying about climate change saying there is nothing to see while at the same time preparing to be inundated with climate refugees. These kids, that is the tip of the iceberg. Global insured losses from natural disasters hit $134bn in 2017: Aon Benfield https://www.reinsurancene.ws/global-...-aon-benfield/ The total estimated loss in property was about $350 bn. These people are losing their homes, farms, livelihood. We are talking about $200 bn in losses by people who were not insured and that is about 3xs the losses in 2016. For example: Last September, the Bangladeshi government responded to weeks of torrential rain with a slew of statistics. They said 8 million people in 32 districts had been affected by floods, with 307,000 people staying in emergency shelters and 1,945 medical teams deployed. In addition, 103,855 houses had been destroyed, with a further 633,792 partially damaged, and 4,636 schools – and several hundred thousand acres of farm land – had been flooded.
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Stephen Miller reportedly crafted Trump's cruel policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the border. http://www.businessinsider.com/who-i...nt=bufferfbd23
Even House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., who is an immigration hard-liner, told NPR's Mary Louise Kelly in an interview Monday for All Things Considered that he backs the changes to the administration's policy in the compromise bill. "We're hard at work on language right now to take care of this problem so that children can remain with their parents," Goodlatte said.
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“If Europe thinks they have a problem with migration today … wait 20 years,” said retired US military corps brigadier general Stephen Cheney. “See what happens when climate change drives people out of Africa – the Sahel [sub-Saharan area] especially – and we’re talking now not just one or two million, but 10 or 20 [million]. They are not going to south Africa, they are going across the Mediterranean.” (https://www.theguardian.com/environm...refugee-crisis)
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1,000 years ago they tried the same thing and we had the crusades.
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Thank God Trump has the guts to separate these children from the human traffickers and give them loving care, protection, and shelter.
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The burden of proof is on the Trump Administration to show that is the case. If it were so they would have said so in the beginning. Instead they said that separating the children from their parents was deterrent. It looks like you believed another lie.
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I told you that the original picture, which ignited the controversy, was from 2014 under the Obama admin. Obviously you don't care. The media acts like these policies just begun, but have been going on for years. Notice the timing -- the Democrats had to distract our attention from the Kim Summit and the IG Report. Amazingly, even Laura Bush chimed in, that is, until Sarah Sanders WH SpokesPerson reminded her that Dubya signed this legislation in 2008. Duh! But why let a few facts get in the way. Like a vast percentage of minors are NOT accompanied by their parents. Even the leftist Democrats on the Hill smell blood and began screaming at Trump as if they have one ounce of compassion or a single fact on their side. zeek, I thought you were a smart guy. I am amazed how easily you get distracted with the crowds. Like lemmings running over the cliff after every new shiny object. Wide is the way that leads to destruction. If the whole world hates Trump, you might want to reconsider why.
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There is an easy solution -- refuge city. Let those coming and claiming asylum go to a "refuge city" on the border where they can live and work until their case is adjudicated.
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Every country has right to protect its borders. Every incarcerated felon is separated from his or her children. Most of these children are NOT accompanied by parents. All of these illegal immigrants should have gone to Ports of Entry. The children in these centers are well cared for. They are far safer than inner city schools, esp. Chicago. Name me one child that has been gassed and incinerated on the border like the Jews in the holocaust.
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Did they not bring forth false accusations? Are we now all guilty until we prove ourselves innocent?
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So far the only thing I have done is liken children held in cages, crying for their mothers similar to what the Nazis did in Germany when they began to separate out the Jews from the rest of the country.
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I think everyone is really overlooking the very big reveal. One Fox news anchor likened what she saw to summer camp! What kind of summer camp did she go to? Why is no one asking about this? Did her parents drop her off at the local penitentiary during the summer? If you abuse kids like that, telling them prison is summer camp, does that explain them later becoming Fox news hosts?
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Yeah, when are we gonna impeach Obama?
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I just finished an extensive course on the Civil War. It struck me at the end that if the South had been able to accurately and precisely calculate the cost of the war they wouldn't have seceded. It seems to me we have the technology to simulate war, and we could use the mathematical skill, formulas and precision of actuaries. Imagine if at some time in the future we simply calculate the cost before going to war. I think if we did that it would be a lot easier to mediate conflicts to avoid war.
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When we gonna indict him for orchestrating a coup?
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At this point I'd rather have a President who is hated. Hated without a cause. Obama, however, was an idol. Isn't this just how the AntiChrist will arrive on the scene? He will be likened to a god, loved by all. The media will fawn all over him, "and they worshiped the beast, saying who is like the beast." (Rev 13.4)
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The Left tries to blame this on the Trump administration. I blame it on those who dumped these kids at the border. Who would do that to children? They were all traumatized long before they arrived here.
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After days of blaming Democrats for the separation of families accused of crossing the U.S. border illegally, President Trump has reversed course, signing an executive order to end the practice. For days, Trump's fellow Republicans in Congress have said he could erase the practice — one put in place under his presidency — with a wave of the hand. Many of them publicly called upon him to do so. The Trump administration claimed it was a matter of law that only Congress could change. They lied. Again. Just one more example of why Trump and his minions should not be believed.
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They left because they were being traumatized. All the more reason to give them asylum. It's the Jesus kinda Christian thing to do.
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Since Hollywood stars are screaming out, I think the best policy is to do just the opposite of what they are telling us to do. We got actors threatening the life of Trump and his family-- so we should lock them up, and believe nothing they tell us. So now you are deciding what is the Jesus kinda Christian things to do? How would you know since you don't believe the Bible is at all reliable?
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They didn't just leave their home to take a stroll to America. And what's wrong with them anyway?
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At some point the solution is no longer to migrate, but rather to fix your own country.
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Yeah! From I've heard all those children are genius actors. So they certainly have the smarts to fix their government and society, and have military weapons.
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So shameful that you cover up the pathetic threats of Peter Fonda, DiNero, Depp, Griffin, Schumer, Fallon, etc. But I expect you to protect your "idols."
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Stay home. There's no place like home. Even Dorothy knew that!
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Neither Reagan or Trump were "stars." Reagan never won an award for acting, rather he was with the Screen Actors Guild fighting Communist infiltration into the movie industry. Trump never acted. When my son was in Business School, Trump's show was a "must see" every week because it was so informative. Even his professors discussed shows.
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Imagine in the future everyone could have access to one of these simulations, like using Madden Football to predict the Super Bowl. Then voters could be educated.
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You mean those demonic liberal professors?
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Like his wife declared on her jacket, the sower of chaos that created this mess doesn't "care". On Wednesday, under pressure from the growing outcry of millions of Americans, President Trump announced an executive order that would end his policy of separating migrant children from their parents at the border. But the Trump administration appears to have no clear plan for reuniting more than 2,300 kids with their families.
The situation is so bad that Trump’s zero tolerance policy could result in the long-term separation of families and that some may never see each other again. Migrants have already been deported from the U.S. without their children. The Trump administration has no system in place to solve a problem of its own making. Religious groups and leaders called Trump's 'zero tolerance' immigration policy sad, sinful and immoral. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...615-story.html Meanwhile, 6 months in, GOP tax bill is an "utter flop" for most people outside the richest 1%: http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3...-an-utter-flop
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Then one reporter pulled out a 2014 picture, and the rest is history. Another text book example of Liberal hypocrisy. You care nothing for these kids -- you only hate Trump!
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Please send. As a mugwump I'm keenly interested in that text book. Kindle version preferred. While you're at it, could you also send the text book on conservative hypocrisy?
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Mind reading fallacy.
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The Department of Justice filed an emergency motion in federal court on Thursday to modify a 1997 settlement that prevents the government from detaining migrant children longer than 20 days. Ending the limitations on the length of time kids can be detained, the administration argues, is the only tenable alternative to splitting up families that are apprehended crossing the border illegally.
Put 'em all in cages, shoot them up with drugs, and keep 'em locked up indefinitely. They're dangerous. And the wrong color too. In spite of the fact that there's no evidence that crime goes up with immigration ... except in Trumps head.
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I think it is obvious that there is a loophole here that some, if not most of the illegal aliens are going to take advantage of. 1. Claim asylum, you jump to the front of the line, saving 15 years that it can take. 2. Bring a child, they can't detain the child for more than 20 days, and there is no way they can verify your claim in that amount of time. So since you are obviously a most humane and caring person, what is the solution?
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So let 'em out until the court can book it. Why is that a problem? It's the law of the land, that Sessions, and Romans, says we have to keep.
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I don't have that money, but if you are donating it then I agree with you that this is not much of a problem, I'm sure we could find people willing to do this work if you paid them adequately. I think this is mighty generous of you, it is wonderful you are willing to put your money where your mouth is. I think you can understand why people who are not going to be able to collect Social Security after paying into it their whole life would be upset sending $60 billion a year for this instead of paying them. Simply explain to them that this is not the case, Awareness is going to donate the money, so no one has to take it from your retirement.
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I expect it from the Democrats and the liberal media, but who would guess that decent A-list movie and pop stars like J-Lo would purposely deceive us. She couldn't even do a decent cut-n-paste hack job.
Jennifer Lopez Spreads Hoax Photographs About Border Separation Quote:
Is there any cure? We need a vaccination immediately! How about a little HONESTY to go along with her fake "hope, faith, and love?"
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I have been talking about the DEEP STATE Coup handily dismissed by all of you, and things have been slowly happening. S.C. Muller's investigation is dying, with Michael Flynn's "conviction" about to be tossed out, along with the forgotten "Russian collusion" and the phony "Obstruction of Justice" charges. The house of cards is beginning to fall.
Take a look at what is happening to Obama's FBI, stacked with political operatives. Notice that Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bill Priestap have become "cooperating witnesses." James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Jim Rybecki, and James Baker have long been fired, and will soon face indictments.
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If someone really cared about the situation they would be focused on a clear, accurate and honest account.
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Joe Scarborough (Republican) didn’t mince words Friday morning: He called Donald Trump “openly racist” and said that, by extension, so are his supporters.
“You’ve got Charlottesville, where Donald Trump of course defended white supremacists with moral equivalency,” Scarborough said. “Even this year, Donald Trump calling Hispanics ‘breeders.’ Just last week, saying that immigrants coming across the border were, quote, ‘infesting America,’ and no, he wasn’t talking about gang members.” Scarborough then told Trump supporters they are just as bad as the president regarding racial issues. “[Trump supporters] cannot say, ’Oh, I’m just supporting him because he’s giving them hell in Washington, D.C.,” Scarborough said. “No, he’s been openly racist, just like we said back in December of 2015, openly racist. If you support him, then you’re supporting that, and you are that. It’s that simple. That’s what we’ve come to now.”
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With all the other Liberals, Joe S. is so dishonest about Charlottesville. Trump never supported white supremacists. Trying to diffuse the situation, he said there are "good people on both sides." Looking at the ANTIFA thugs, I thought Trump was being a little generous. Obviously both sides were looking for a fight, but I saw kids on both sides, and assumed, like Trump, that some of them were "good people." Today the Left has little decency left. There is no one to hold them accountable, other than their viewers' ratings. The fear of God is gone for most atheists. They all can get away with the most defiling vulgarities and false accusations. Right on TV. I fear more will get killed. The leftist media is stoking their fringes into a frenzy fire. We already got politicians (Scalise and Paul) attacked by rabid liberals. We got police attacked regularly. It's a good thing most Liberals do not exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.
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Since the mid-70's, when the Democrats actively sided with the proliferation of abortion clinics, I found no way I could ever support them again. That, however, in no way makes the Republicans perfect angels.
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Face it bro Ohio. I know it's hard. But those on the left, and the right, are flawed human primates. And that's the worst you can say about anybody.
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"George Will, a longtime political commentator and staunch defender of the conservative movement, made a dramatic exit from the Republican Party Friday, citing the party’s support for Donald Trump in the upcoming 2020 presidential election."
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Without the convictions of faith principles, Will has slowly melted under the heat and pressure of the culture war against traditional conservative values. Since Trump is so hated by progressives, Will now considers open borders, unlimited abortion, bigger gov't, socialism, etc. more desieable?
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Hillary put Trump in office. And you give her no thanks.
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Stuck in the middle again? Not you!
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This hits so close to home that it steps on one -- not the last thank God -- of my nerves. I live in the Bible Belt, that's also widely known as the Pillbilly Belt. That does explain some of these ignorant Republicans I encounter around here ... and Kentucky clearly has a lot of them (not actually ... there's more registered Democrats than Republicans ... they're pillbillies too, apparently even more so, and can't even get up to vote). Kentuckians have always been a little tetched (were they in the civil war, or out of it?).
Anyway, on with the Reality TV show : ZNP, my fetish is acting up again. How's yours doing? : Chronic opioid use is higher among Trump voters, study finds http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...udy-finds.html
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As you watch our fake news media desperately try to keep this hoax alive about a “crisis” on the border, never forget that this so-called crisis is fabricated. Never forget that this entire “crisis” was invented, created from whole cloth, ginned up, and is a naked act of fake news.
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The side of the story the Media rarely tells us ...
Sabine Durden, an angel mom, said Friday that President Trump saved her from committing suicide after an illegal immigrant killed her only son. Durden said at an event for angel families that she is a legal immigrant and always sought to protect her son from harm.
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Don't you mean "infesting" America? ... cuz as Trump called them, they're animals.
Speaking of animals, from "sh*thole" countries, why doesn't Trump deport Obama back to Kenya?
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This is deceptive and disingenuous.
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Would prefer I posted his quotes, with dates times and places? Of course you could always look 'em up yourself. But you might have to look in different places than Fox.
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The deceptive Press takes statements out of context to serve their agenda. I find it extremely difficult to believe that you can not understand this. Like UntoHim says, "You're better than that." Like TC used to say, "Try not to misunderstand me." Like others have said, "Trump Derangement Syndrome has blinded you."
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It's a sad state of affairs. Once I catch someone in a lie I don't trust them any more. And Twain obviously wasn't aware of modern day advertising.
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Is fiscal conservatism dead? Republicans railed against the national debt level under the Obama administration, when it jumped from $10.6 trillion to $19.9 trillion, nearly doubling, but few have been as outspoken about the situation with Republicans controlling Capitol Hill and the White House.
About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury. The landmark comes shortly after Congress passed, and Mr. Trump signed, a suspension on the federal debt limit last month, allowing the government to borrow an unlimited amount of money until March 1, 2019. When Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20, 2017, the national debt was $19.9 trillion, according to U.S. Treasury data. Since then, the GOP-led Congress has passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut bill and a two-year spending deal which, together, are expected to drive the deficit and debt further upward. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates annual deficits could top $2.1 trillion per year in the next decade, which would send the national debt soaring even higher. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, held up the spending bill last month on the Senate floor, blistering Republicans for doing exactly what they had criticized the Obama administration for doing. "I ran for office because I was critical of President Obama's trillion-dollar deficits," Paul said at the time. "Now we have Republicans hand-in-hand with Democrats offering us trillion-dollar deficits." Source: ABC News
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But he would do better if he just read off the teleprompter like Obama?
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And no longer the party of Reagan ... the republican party is now the party of Trump ... who has never held to republican values. Trump killed that republican party. R.I.P.
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Did you miss that Michael Moore flick?
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Well you've got a point. But it depends on who you talk to. Arch conservatives certainly thought Dubya killed the republican party. My Alaskan friend, of Elden fame, Hosepipe (Manna Man's dad) certainly thought so. Maybe Trump is the coup de grâce.
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This is certainly true of this immigration debate. I heard one woman say that you are not permitted to ask if Trump's policy is effective at reducing phony claims of asylum.
Apparently it is permitted for people to lie about asylum, it is permitted for them to also bring a child knowing that the law prohibits us from detaining a child for more than 20 days. But the US government is not permitted in establishing a policy that exposes the liars.
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It's also hypocrisy to care for the unborn and to not care about children separated from parents. Or to deport them back to be killed.
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These immigrant children ARE cared for. They are getting the best care they have ever had! They are far safer than any Democratically controlled inner city in the country. Compare their safety to Chicago youth who die from gunshots daily. Months ago Trump tried to legislate a deal with the Congress over DACA. Every day the Democrats screamed about 800,000 DACA "Dreamers." Trump shocked them and promised a pathway to amnesty and citizenship for 1,800,000 immigrants in exchange for legislation and a wall to provide long term solutions. Democrats said "NO." We then conclusively learned that the Democrats DON't CARE ABOUT IMMIGRANTS OR CHILDREN. They only care about their future. They are using these kids for political gain! They have losing policies, and need open borders to survive. Send these kids to Martha's Vineyard. That will shut the Dems up.
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Democrats, fix the laws. Don’t RESIST. We are doing a far better job than Bush and Obama, but we need strength and security at the Border! Cannot accept all of the people trying to break into our Country. Strong Borders, No Crime!
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"I said in my haste, 'All men are liars'.”By omitting the beginning of the verse, a word spoken in haste is made to seem like an objective statement of fact. The Psalmist admits he spoke rashly in a moment of affliction. [v.10]
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The rest of the verse is quite appropriate for the forum, "That You should be justified in Your sayings and will overcome when You are judged." Rom 3.4 I have read too much "judgment" of God on Alt-Views, but Paul informs us God WILL be justified and overcome all of man's criticisms.
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You OK with the Democrats calling on their people to openly harass Trump, His administration, and His supporters?" You down with this?
Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) criticized comments by Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) over the weekend calling on the public to “harass” members of the Trump administration — but said the President was to blame for Waters’s rhetoric. Mad Maxine, who's been in Congress since Rodney King, is not accountable for her own words?
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"Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person, has become, together with Nancy Pelosi, the Face of the Democrat Party. She has just called for harm to supporters, of which there are many, of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for Max!" ,' Trump tweeted Monday 6/25/18
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Harassing others fails the Golden Rule test.
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You are comparing the tactics of Nazi Germany with today's extreme left. The extreme left today is attempting to persuade the world that the similarity is between Nazi Germany and 60 million Trump voters. Not so! They are more likely to be called the "silent majority."
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Duplicate.
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We learned more about WH Spox Sanders and the Red Hen restaurant from Governor Huckabee:
After the owner expelled the Sanders Party of eight, Sanders and hubbie went home, and her 6 in-laws went up the street to finish their dinner in Lexington. Not satisfied merely with the eviction and public shaming of a Trump Staffer, the Red Hen owner and her staff gathered passers-by to further shame the Sanders party at their new eatery. They assembled outside chanting and slurring the party from the street. It was not until one of the remaining party of six came out and informed the hecklers that they too were "liberals," and that Sanders was no longer with them, that the angry "mob" dispersed, all satisfied with their "public service." Sanders, however, displayed the utmost grace and character throughout the entire ordeal. She alone passed the Golden Rule Test.
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The very same shows that totally condemn the Baker for refusing to let someone dictate to him how to make a cake is the very same ones justifying the denial of service to Sanders because of her politics. The way one pundit put it "on the bright side now they know what it is like to be a minority".
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Sarah Sanders was not requiring the Red Hen Restaurant to bake special Pro-Trump or conservative-message meals that violated their personal culinary skills. Neither was there any political conversation even occurring in their restaurant. The SCOTUS ruling was very narrow, and should not be interpreted as a justification to refuse service to either the left or the right, let alone shame them down the street at another restaurant.
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Hypocrisy is off the hook.
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Both Starbucks and Red Hen have seriously hurt themselves by escalating the situation. With every customer in the country carrying a video camera, there exists the potential for every mis-action to go virule. The heated, exaggerated rhetoric is carefully crafted to demonize Trump and all conservatives. They are all characterized as EVIL personified. Hence all action is justified in order to stop them. For "decent" folks like Red Hen staff, this only means expulsion and subsequent shaming. What happens when the less scrupulous kind get involved? Perhaps during a benign congressional baseball game.
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Radio and TV have learned that the secret to ratings is controversy. They are no longer purveyors of truth, or news, but rather "controversy". How do you protect the right to free speech while promoting the reasoned debate, factually accurate accounts, and speaking the truth in love? In my opinion both sides of the current debate about immigration have valid points. However, they will be subsumed by the lies, distortion, and agenda of those on the extreme right and left.
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Regardless of official "push back," Trump's opponents have been called on to harass all of his supporters. David Hogg was used in an attempt to remove Laura Ingraham from TV. Antifa has been organized on numerous universities to prevent conservative speakers like Coulter and Shapiro. Sarah Sanders was face-shamed at the WHCD. SNL regularly mocks Trump and staff. My comment "crafted to demonize Trump" has specific objectives for the Left, from fear-mongering to humiliation to submission to departure. The level of hatred on both sides is being stoked in the Press. The next protest may lead to a serious confrontation. Then folks like Maxine will claim she "never did anything wrong." Quote:
Real journalism is dying. I used to watch CNN, and they always seemed to have the best coverage of breaking news. About the time of the Boston Marathon Bombing that changed. They no longer held the competitive edge they once held. The difference was their new President Jeff Zucker. With the arrival of Trump, Zucker took merely skewed political opinion into political hate speech I see every time I watch.
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Time Magazine (like you awareness) has been caught up in the web of deception, with the goal to destroy all of their "enemies" by demonizing them.
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If the LEFT did not have double standards, they would not have any standards at all.
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Obviously death threats, as long as they are directed at conservatives, are OK, but name-calling is not. Every night the Liberal comedians attack and mock all things conservative, but never mock a Liberal!
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GOOD NEWS!
The U.S. must stop taking migrant children from their parents at the border and reunite separated families within 30 days, a federal judge ruled Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:15 AM EST A federal judge in California issued a nationwide injunction late Tuesday temporarily stopping the Trump administration from separating children from their parents at the border and ordered that all families already separated be reunited within 30 days. Judge Dana M. Sabraw of the Federal District Court in San Diego said children under 5 must be reunited with their parents within 14 days, and he ordered that all children must be allowed to talk to their parents within 10 days.
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If you try and tie every single event into the effort of Trump's political opponents to "demonize him" then you come across as paranoid and delusional. Seriously, do you really think there was coordination between the management at that tiny restaurant the Red Hen, or the Starbucks manager that called the cops with Political operatives? Likewise, do you really think the people eating that the Mexican restaurant were political hacks? Obviously Maxine Waters can be seen as part of the political apparatus to discredit Trump, but that particular event did not "demonize" Trump, it demonized her. Nor was it "crafted" it was idiotic.
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When it comes to politics Christians today skip over the sermon on the mount.
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Good example of gross exaggeration.
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The heated, exaggerated rhetoric is carefully crafted to demonize Trump and all conservatives.Now go back and read your post quoted above and you will see another "fulfillment" of what I said. You twisted and distorted my words against me, taking them out of context in order to discredit me. But I'm not bothered, they did the same to Jesus. (Mark 14.55-58) Back to the Point. The nasty events we are seeing every day in the news are not "crafted" per se, but are the result, the evil fruit, of a carefully crafted and exaggerated rhetoric designed to demonize Trump and all conservatives. This bad behavior can only get worse. This pathetic rhetoric comes from the Democrats, some anti-Trump Republicans, the entire mainstream media, the Hollywood elites, and former deep state operatives, etc.
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Trump is a model of incivility. He encouraged violence at his campaign rallies. He denigrated women about their looks. He mocked a disabled man. He belittled his political opponents and defamed their families. He bragged about groping and touching women. And he openly lies to the American public everyday. He has no standing from which to criticize people for incivility.
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Just like we heard for 8 years all the bad behavior in the Obama administration blamed on Bush.
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Poll: 72% of Americans Believe Establishment Media Deliberately Report Fake News In layman's terms it can be called "fake news."
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I've noticed that Marco Rubio sometimes makes statements on Twitter worth considering. Here are a couple relevant to the civility issue.
Trump haters still haven’t realized how much they help him with their condescension of those who either voted for him or don’t share their hatred of him. And how much they help him with their irrational hostility towards those who work for him. Many Republicans won’t criticize Trump even when they don’t agree with him b/c it means siding with a media that nevers cuts him a break,turns even little things he does into an act of evil, are also unfair to them & in the end will still attack you anyway.I don't agree that hostility toward those who work for him is irrational. After all they are facilitating a dangerous sociopath in the world's most powerful position. I support non-violent protest against them. We should look to people like Jesus, Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi as examples of how to do this.
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"North Korea Is Rapidly Upgrading Nuclear Site Despite Summit Vow.
Satellite images show no evidence of dismantling after Kim Jong Un’s commitment at summit to denuclearize." https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-k...acy-1530100351 What now?
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Instead you took the Saul Alinsky way -- label your opponent the worst possible way, such as a dangerous sociopath, and then you can justify your every bad word and action against him. Tomorrow you can call him Hitler again. Then on Friday, welcoming in the weekend, you can be nice and only call him a narcissist. Sorry, zeek, but why do you talk the "high road," and then actually take the gutter route every time? #BlindedByHate
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Funny to hear liberal progressives to talk about "the truth."
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There you go with your Saul Alinsky tactics.
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Looks like your side had a bad day today. They're all so angry.
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'God is racist,' Jewish people 'all descend from Satan,' NC candidate says
"RALEIGH A website tied to a candidate for the North Carolina General Assembly says God is a racist white supremacist and that Jews are descended from Satan." https://www.charlotteobserver.com/la...213937944.html
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It depends where you look. But, yeah. Unemployment numbers are down now. But, there's a difference between long term and short term, and some of those changes in the numbers are short term, but some of the problems that we have are long term.
The costs of housing, child care, health care and college are outpacing salaries and threatening the livelihoods of middle class Americans. Middle class life is now 30 percent more expensive than it was 20 years ago. https://www.marketplace.org/2016/06/...t-more-it-used And we're looking at a record amount of automation of formerly middle-class jobs by 2026, if the World Economic Forum is to be believed. That's one of the threats that is not being accounted for. The future looks bleak for most of today's children. How many of the people whose job picture looks rosier are working multiple jobs and how much job security do those jobs have? From what I hear, many of the newly employed don't have pensions or any kind of future career trajectory from those jobs. As long as the big picture in America looks like this you're gonna have a lot of unhappy frustrated people struggling to make ends meet regardless of their political party affiliations.
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However in 1975 about 45% of women were in the workforce, today it is 60%. So although the cost of a house has increased slightly, and median wage has decreased slightly taking into account inflation, it is important to also factor in the effect of doubling the wage earners in a middle class family. Over the last 70 years the US GDP has averaged a growth rate of slightly more than 3%. So in reality the economic outlook for a middle class family with two wage earners is significantly better than it was 50 years ago when they only had 1. Also, it is true that cars appear to be much more expensive today than they were in 1975 when adjusting for inflation. However, they are also much safer and they last much longer. A car that ran for 100,000 miles in 1975 was a big thing, but that is no longer true. Today 200,000 miles is realistic if you care for your car. There are 11 cars that have not had a single fatality since 2014, that is an amazing improvement over 50-60 years ago when deaths during the Vietnam war were dwarfed by traffic fatalities. Computers, the internet and robots have played a major role in keeping our GDP growing. It is very likely that AI, Quantum computers, drones and self driving vehicles will continue to propel that growth. Also, although these new technologies take away jobs, they also open them up. Consider how many handicapped people can be productively employed today versus 50 or 100 years ago. 50 years ago the biggest threat to our economy was the trade deficit due to our dependence on oil. Today it is reasonable to think that the US could ultimately become energy self sufficient. When NAFTA was approved we lost many jobs to cheap labor overseas. Today we can replace that cheap labor with 3d printers and robots. So the only real issue with our economic outlook is that we are going to change and can expect dramatic changes to take place.
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Imagine how they'll act if Ruth Bader Ginsburg retires. Isn't she 85?
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I would then call it a slow moving coup.
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We are talking about 9 Supreme court justices, I think slow moving limo would be more appropriate. No way they all fit into a coup.
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If Trump replaced RBG with a solid conservative, he would be considered one of the greatest Presidents of all time. RBG is the worst Justice ever.
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The slow moving coup, orchestrated by the Deep State, is beginning to unravel.
But don't worry about the SCOTUS. There has only been ONE SC justice in history who did NOT become more liberal over time. Any idea who that was?
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Yes, AI will replace many existing jobs, but at the same time there will be a huge demand for people to program the AI and design the objects that will be running AI. You have to be a lifelong learner and embrace change.
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Shooter scores against the media in Annapolis.
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Ever since the industrial and technological revolutions people have been frightened that the changes would result in everyone losing their jobs, hence the term "luddite" due to a movement to destroy the machines. But the machines have freed us up to do other work. Women no longer need to be drudges. Yes, their jobs of cooking and cleaning were to a large part replaced by machines, but that simply freed them up to do other work. What woman wants to return to a time of washboards and grinding flour?
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The standard of living of a an average US citizen is far better today than the standard of living of a Plantation owner in 1850. That is the result of the industrial revolution and technological revolution. http://www.businessinsider.com/drive...-tesla-2017-11 Yes, self driving vehicles will eliminate many jobs for drivers. But it will also save us $300 billion in labor costs and also make the roads much safer. The driver needs to develop new skills, but he is being given 2-3 years warning before this really begins to bite. Embrace the change, otherwise you will be crushed by it.
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Value is measured by how much a person contributes to the economy through what they can produce or how they can provide service. A person who is out of work due to robots, receiving a basic income or not, is not contributing anything therefore not valuable. This is why people who work in finance or business or medicine get paid more than artists and musicians or history professors (lol) who do not contribute much to the economy. As robots replace these jobs which are traditionally seen as valuable by what they can produce or provide service, then the robots become more valuable than the humans. A robot doctor would be more valuable than a human history professor, for example. A woman who does not have to cook or clean for her husband is also less valuable to the husband than a robot which does the job instead. This is measuring value by how much she contributes to the household. This is the biblical measure of value, the proverbs 31 woman who is always busy and producing things. If she cannot do anything because the robot is doing it for her, then she is not valuable according to proverbs 31. In that case she becomes a burden. Now a woman who cannot cook or clean or do anything else is only good for pleasure, and such a woman is being replaced by robots too with the development of mechanical vaginas. Now that's one area which I don't understand why a man would want to replace a woman with a machine. |
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Surveys show that women with children make less money. It's probably due to employe prejudice that they're going to be less productive. We have such limited maternity leave compared to most industrialized countries. Only 13 to 14% of Americans have paid family leave in their jobs, so that's very small. Employers feel like, oh, once I hire somebody who has a kid, this is going to be a cascade of latenesses and absences - things that are really often untrue and just bias. Yet there was a Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis survey that found moms were more productive in their jobs than women without children. And right now, two-thirds of women with kids under 6 are working. So that is a huge number. And those are kids who are often too young to be in kindergarten or even preschool. So that means that they're going to be needing day care. Of course the average cost varies from state to state. The Economic Policy Institute said the annual average cost of infant care in New York state is $14,000. So a New York family with one child pays 21 percent of their income on child care on average, and for two kids, that rises to 38.7 percent.
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Callous view of human life.
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The shooter's second amendment rights were protected; that's the important thing. A clear case of the second amendment trumping the first.
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But you're the shrink in these parts, so I'll continue your point of view ... Apparently the shooter felt that this local news paper destroyed his reputation when they published an article about him years ago. He tried to sue them for defamation, but lost. If this preliminary reporting is true, then I would say that the news paper abused their first amendment rights, and then suffered the consequences when this crazy guy abused his second amendment rights. EDIT: Further News has reported that this guy was obsessed with a former classmate and stalked her. Guy with mental issues like him has no right to possess firearms. The newspaper rightfully warned the public of the dangers he presented to the community. The judge readily dismissed his claims of defamation.
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Butlers, Cooks, Kitchen maids, these all became hotel workers. Valets and Ladies Maids, they became seamstresses, etc. Journalists used to use a typewriter, then they used a computer. They used to have a library to find old pictures, articles, then it was microfiche, then it was digital. It used to be that a chauffeur was also a mechanic. The business is not "trucking" but rather "shipping". It involves inventory, receipts, tracking, loading, unloading, scheduling, tracking, trucking, etc. Just because the trucks are going to be transitioning to self driving doesn't mean that people are no longer involved in the process. The fact that you drove a truck gives you insight and an advantage to move into these other positions. Likewise, someone who can program AI is probably not suitable for driving a truck. Working with real truck drivers on simulations would probably be essential to designing the program. Likewise, we are now teaching AI by giving them data from which they can learn patterns. This data could be videotape from truckers who are driving. Quote:
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Any reasonable person would agree that the life of the Average American is greatly improved from 200 years ago, and from 100 years ago. As the time frame gets shorter it is more difficult to see the drastic improvements. But there is plenty of evidence. My brother has a 1953 chevy pickup in excellent condition. No seat belts, no air bags, no side mirrors, and it is far less efficient.
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How? He shot people for ten minutes, the news has the freedom to talk about it for the next ten days.
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The only possible exception is if the newspaper story said that he was not crazy and that the rumors that he was a danger to society and should be locked up were not true. If that was the story that "damaged his reputation" then he has proven them wrong and restored his reputation.
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Uh, "the news" is an abstraction. Five actual flesh and blood human beings lost their lives. That ass-hole ended their free speech along with their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. One of the journalists murdered was Rob Hiaasen, Carl Hiaasen's brother.
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By that reckoning the lot of the average American hasn't improved in 43 years. It's a perfect time for a huge tax cut for billionaires and cuts to safety net programs, Social Security and Medicare.
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No one violated the newspaper's right to free speech, he even sued the newspaper and the newspaper won. The issue is that people assume that the exercise of this right is "free" without any cost. This event demonstrates that there is a high price that must be paid by journalists.
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Everyone agrees that Social Security in theory is better than what we had. The problem is that we are about to find out in practice if it is better. This program put the entire countries retirement account in the hands of politicians. People that no reasonable person would allow to have access to their bank account. They have raided the cookie jar repeatedly, taking the money out and replacing it with an IOU, then taking the IOU out and replacing it with a second IOU, etc. If today the program was running great, projected to move along just fine for another 100 years then I would agree that it is a great program that needs to be protected. But that is not the case. They are predicting that I will not be able to collect from this program even though I have been paying into it for decades. Why? Because the money was stolen. If that is the case then there is no way I agree to give them more money, only an idiot would let a thief rob them blind, and then agree to give more money to the thief. As for tax reform I believe we have to completely overhaul our tax code so that the only tax paid is a sales tax. It is the simplest and most equitable tax. It completely avoids the concern about globalization and corporations moving their operations overseas. It would eliminate a huge bureaucracy along with all the jobs associated with tax preparation, audits, IRS, lawyers, etc. As a result it would save everyone in the country money. You could also allow certain essentials to be sold without sales tax (milk, eggs, etc) while luxury items could have a higher sales tax. However, they won't do it. Why? It is cheaper, simpler, more equitable and more humane. Seems that Conservatives would have a lot to like, as well as libertarians, democrats, socialists, etc. No, the issue is that if you do this people will see exactly how much they are really paying in tax with every single purchase. As a result people are much more likely to become thrifty and stop buying so much junk. You would also see a black market for goods unless we could get Canada and Mexico to agree with us.
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Has anyone seen the ad "The Left is Unhinged"?
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Sure. Why?
Don't think that ad is off base. This is perhaps the "sanitized" part of the standard diet which millennial progressives consume every day. All of those segments received much air time when they came out. Are you in NY 14th Congressional District which just dumped Joe Crowley (potentially the next House Speaker?) and nominated Ocasio-Cortez? Crowley was an old established Liberal Democrat who was totally upset by a millennial progressive.
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That's a pot kettle thing ... both left and right are unhinged ... as far as I'm concerned all on capital hill are unhinged.
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It shows that Democrats are their own worst enemy. Obviously it is not off base, it is simply a collage of quotes from the left.
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Trump SCOTUS pick should be grilled about Mueller probe 'before their rear end hits the chair,' says top Dem strategist
I would be extremely concerned about a "loyalty pledge". According to James it is the single biggest warning sign.
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My point is not that everything is peachy keen. My point is that there are two factors at play here, on one hand human civilization is evolving, and in a myriad of ways improving the standard of living of the majority. On the other hand human government is corrupt. The best human governments are like vultures, and the worst human governments are like dead corpses. Science, engineering and technology are all improving at a rapid clip and as a result our GDP is continuing to grow year by year at a very healthy amount. On the other hand the US government is a dysfunctional group of crooks who have robbed the American people. The idea that giving the US government more in taxes or power is to my mind, idiotic. No one can deny that Social Security proves the US government is not capable of being entrusted with our retirement savings. The Trillion dollar war in the middle East is proof that they are not capable of steering the US into the way of peace and prosperity. And it is part of a pattern (Vietnam war, Iran Contra, etc). Box 13, JFK assassination, Watergate, 911 are all evidence that the US government winks at sin. And, in my opinion, the US government is the best government. We have seen how awful German government can be. Middle Eastern govts are far, far worse than the US. Singapore is only a city, not large enough to be a fair comparison, and like all dictators once he is gone what happens then? Perhaps Britain can compare favorably with the US but I would suggest that is only because they are so small and powerless. If you look at them when they were the empire where the sun never sets the comparison is not so favorable.
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No, I do not believe that all people are motivated by self interest. What I do feel that history teaches us is that our government is a system that has promoted corruption. Teddy Roosevelt had a big impact, Lincoln did all he could, but these men of character have fought a losing battle. In the last 60 years I can point to numerous events that should have gotten them fired, trillion dollar fiascos, and yet instead of getting fired they want to raise the amount of money we send their way.
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Oh do you mean that "conspiracy theory" during the "Russian Reset Button" when Obama, Clinton, et. al. sold 20% of our Uranium to the Russians in return for hundreds of $Millions? Then to cover it all up they framed President Trump and appointed Muller to get him?
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Yes. That is one excellent example of why I do not trust our government.
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Yeah! Obama, Clinton, and Mueller, should be impeached !!!!!!!
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Lock 'em up!
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Engage in uncivil rhetoric that criminalizes your political opponents then complain about the incivility of others!
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In other words engage in prosecutorial abuse in order to coerce him to make up stories about Trump for Muller to ease the pressure. Manafort is in solitary confinement. Muller and Andrew Weissmann have done this before. They knowingly left two innocent men to die in jail. Read their story. In another case they knowingly destroyed Arthur Anderson, and thousands lost their jobs. Read their story. Lock them up!
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A group of President Donald Trump's most ardent supporters in the House of Representatives have sent a letter to the Norwegian Nobel Committee, formally nominating the President for a Nobel Peace Prize.
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But NK conned Trump. So no peace prize there.
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Obama made some apologetic speech in Cairo to the Muslam world and everyone went crazy. The Europeans were convinced about peace in the Muslem world. A new world order. Give Obama the Nobel Peace Prize.
The very next year, however, in the very city in which Obama gave his speech, hell on earth broke out as Egyptians clashed with police and ousted president Mubarak. "Arab Spring" brought upheavals to Libya, Morocco, Syria, Egypt. Make Obama give back the Prize!
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Has nothing to do with race.
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Nothing compared to Amanda Feilding running on a platform of "trepanation for the masses". So cheer up, things could be worse.
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The guy who only sees color is a racist.
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If only racists see that Obama is black then all Americans are racists.
Believe me (quoting Trump) Trump sees Obama as black.
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If you argue that criticizing Obama makes you racist, yet have no qualms about criticizing every other political leader, then that is by definition, racist. Your position appears to the casual observer (me) to imply that Obama being black exempts him from any kind of critical analysis because "every american sees him as black". That is racist.
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This poll shows that 49% of voters think Trump is a racist :
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If you are equating that with a "criticism" then yes, you are racist.
Maybe, that is not enough information.
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Let's add, blocking people of color, to the evidence ... all those "animals" "infecting" our country ... coming from "sh*tholes."
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If 49% of the posters here believed ZNP was a racist, shouldn't they be forced to provide strong evidence of this? Also, what is the definition of Racism? Sadly it has merely become mud to sling at others you disagree with. It really has little meaning anymore. With charges of racism, one is automatically guilty until proven innocent, unless one is a liberal, then they are always innocent.
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Please note that Maxine, by her own words, is also a wounded animal.
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Yes, as we look at more and more of the evidence it appears to be xenophobia, rather than a specific racist idea.
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I think Maxine has done irreparable harm to herself.
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Here's a decent article for those who desire to discriminate between Fact and fiction, as in FAKE NEWS.
How to Read the News: A Guide for Truth-Seekers Here is an exerpt: Quote:
Good news sites bolded in Black..
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The most important thing is to avoid thinking for yourself. Because, as you have been taught since you were a baby, you are sinful to the core, and every imagination of the thoughts of your heart is only evil continually. The world is divided into two teams, the good and the evil. Everything depends on what team you're on. And thank the Lord, you're on the good team. Hallelujah! So, you must only listen to good team TRUTH. The liberal progressive team is evil. Trump is the savior of the good team. The evil team hates him because he is powerful. He's going to bring back Jesus just like Witness Lee once promised the local church would. You must continue to be a strong voice to win the ignorant alt views fools to the way of Truth. It all depends on who one listens to and they are listening to whe evil team. If only they would begin to listen to Good Team Truth, they might be saved when Trump brings on the coming day of Wrath!
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I'm talking about accuracy in reporting. Obviously that scares you to death. Your biggest fear is the facts.
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Aren't you a shrink? Is this how they operate?
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From my previous source ...
"It is a shame that we have to work so hard to learn the real facts of any incident, but the so-called free press that is protected by the Constitution has been so corrupted by unethical liberal bias. Immediately after the shooting at the Maryland newspaper, liberal pundits were blaming President Trump for his Twitter attacks on the media. The alleged shooter, Jarrod Ramos, had a vendetta against the newspaper and had lost a lawsuit against it. It matters not that his hate for the newspaper had been going on since 2012; the left does not let facts get in the way of their eternal campaign against the president."The "unethical liberal bias" is not true because Trump points it out, rather it is true because the facts of history confirm it.
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I asked for you to correct the propositions that are wrong with statements of your true positions. This is in keeping with the best practice of communication. Try it.
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Serious? There is no basis for communication there in post #3831.
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Sure there is. Just correct the points that are wrong. Then we'll have your genuine true beliefs on the issues.
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I'm a mugwump. Let the good and the evil fight it out. I'm staying out of it. Like a neutral angel.
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But I understand. What happens when every one of your "multiple sources" all express the same "unethical liberal bias?"
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Older people really ARE more racist: We become prejudiced as we age because we feel isolated and anxious about death
Scientists said hating a group can grant some elderly people a sense of identity http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ous-death.html
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Hmmm. I once saw a youtube video of you playing a guitar, so I know that you are a white man from the South. You obviously are imbued with white privilege, hence a racist white supremacist, probably with strong ties to the Klan and former slave owners. You are a Southern Democrat who have historically stood against the emancipation of Negroes. You need to prove to me that this is not true. The evidence against you is overwhelming.
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This report provides strong overwhelming evidence that my assertions about zeek are well-founded and true. The proof that he is a Nazi sympathizer is conclusive.
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But I have something funnier. Scott Pruitt resigned. On his way out he told Trump "You are serving as president today because of God's providence." I don't know. I'm not the Bible man I use to be. I outgrew that. I could be wrong. But didn't Beelzebub say something similar about Jesus? Trump loves Pruitt. He considers him his link to his Evangelical base. Pruitt's track record should tell you how far Evangelical's have strayed.
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Racist. Hiding behind progressive dictates. Armed with your shotguns. Nother member of the Klan.
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Thanks Awareness for this.
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Let's come back to something that relates to us LCer's.
One of Trump's top picks for the Supreme is 46 yr old Amy Coney Barrett. Amy is a character that we might relate to. She and her family "are members of in a controversial religious group that asks members to take a lifetime loyalty 'covenant', encourages female submission to their husbands, and helped inspire publication of The Handmaid's Tale, a dystopian novel about theocratic government" : a small cult that goes by "People of Praise." Trump's female Supreme Court favorite belongs to a Christian group which helped inspire The Handmaid's Tale and tells her to submit to her husband - and members believe they healed teen girl by laying on of hands http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aids-Tale.html
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Why not just wait until Monday to hear who the nominee is?
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Trump will pick a brilliant constitutional jurist. It will be the end of the world. Perhaps Armageddon. At least for Progressives. If they lose their "right" to slaughter the unborn, they will go apoplectic. So much compassion for children separated for two weeks at the border from illegal immigrant human traffickers, yet absolutely no compassion for those violently yanked from the safety of their mother's womb. Hypocrites! Murderers!
Trump may be a tough, pugnacious counter-puncher who fights for America, but he has proven to be a compassionate and kind leader towards the weak and the hurting. He is not like the Obama administration that locks up children in cages.
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The new face of Leftist Progressivism:
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Prolly the most brilliant jurist in the history of jurists ... of course.
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At a rally in Montana, the ever kindly Donald Trump took aim at George H. W. Bush's slogan "thousand points of light," which Bush popularized during his presidential campaign. It later became the titular phrase for Bush's volunteerism organization.
"You know all of the rhetoric you see. 'Thousands points of light.' What the hell was that by the way?" Trump said. "Thousand points of light," he said. "What does that mean? I know one thing. 'Make America Great Again' we understand. Putting America first we understand. Thousand points of light, I never quite got that one. What the hell is that? Has anyone ever figured that one out? It was put out by a Republican, wasn't it?" Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, who worked for President George W. Bush, called the remarks "so uncalled for."
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More grace from the compassionate Saint Donald. On with the "Horror Show"! The Trump administration has quietly decided to reverse an Obama-era rule banning Americans from importing body parts of African elephants killed for sport.
It comes after Donald Trump branded big game trophy hunting a “horror show” last year, and suggested he would not allow the move to go ahead. In November, the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) announced it would lift a ban on elephants imported from Zimbabwe and Zambia, maintaining wealthy hunters would help raise money for conservation efforts. A public outcry at the decision prompted the US President to intervene. “Big-game trophy decision will be announced next week,” Mr Trump said on Twitter. “But will be very hard pressed to change my mind that this horror show in any way helps conservation of Elephants (sic) or any other animal.” But more than three months later, Ryan Zinke, the Interior Secretary, issued a letter dated 1 March announcing the importing of elephant trophies would now be approved on a "case-by-case basis”. The letter cites a December ruling in a long-running lawsuit challenging the ban filed by Safari Club International and the lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association. Mr Zinke recently told people privately that Mr Trump has called him several times to discuss what to do about elephant trophies. Neither the Interior Department nor FWS issued a press release over the last week to announce the decision, which was quickly condemned by environmental advocates. "The Trump administration is trying to keep these crucial trophy import decisions behind closed doors, and that's totally unacceptable," said Tanya Sanerib, international legal director at the Center for Biological Diversity. "Elephants aren't meant to be trophies, they're meant to roam free." Mr Trump's two adult sons are trophy hunters. A photo of Donald Trump Jr holding a knife and the bloody severed tail of an elephant he reportedly killed in Zimbabwe in 2011 sparked outrage among animal rights activists. Mr Zinke is an avid hunter, who after arriving at the Interior Department last year ordered the arcade game "Big Buck Hunter Pro" to be installed in the employee cafeteria at the agency's Washington headquarters, a move he said would promote wildlife and habitat conservation. In June, the department removed longstanding protections for grizzly bears near Yellowstone National Park, a step that potentially allows them to be hunted. The Fish and Wildlife Service also quietly began issuing permits in October allowing African lions killed in Zimbabwe and Zambia to be imported. Previously, only wild lions killed in South Africa were eligible. The world's largest land mammal, the African elephant has been classified as threatened under the US Endangered Species Act since 1979. A licensed two-week African elephant hunt can cost more than $50,000 per person, not including airfare, according to advertised rates. Illicit demand for elephant ivory has led to devastating losses from illegal poaching as the natural habitat available for the animals to roam has also dwindled by more than half. As a result, the number of African elephants has shrunk from about 5 million a century ago to about 400,000 remaining. And that number continues to decline each year. According to the United Nations, as many as 100,000 African elephants were killed between 2010 and 2012. For forest elephants, the population declined by an estimated 62 per cent between 2002 and 2011. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8243361.html
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So you are now criticizing Trump for agreeing with you? I can't blame Trump here. All the Bush's were silent on Obama, supposedly out of respect for the office, yet have condemned Trump. The Bush's apparently are all swamp creatures.
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You murder the unborn, then cry foul about elephant rights. Obviously SAINT ZEEK GEMMER feels the elephants have more rights than people do. Pathetic!
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Prop #11 Trump is the savior of The Good Team. Prop # 12 The Evil Team hates him because he is powerful. Prop #13 He's going to bring back Jesus. Of course the Bush's are Swamp Creatures. By criticizing Trump they became traitors against The Good Team. "Swamp Creatures" and "The Deep State" are members of the Evil Team who work in the Federal Government.
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Jesus said if your eye offend thee, pluck it out, or hand offended thee, cut it off. The unborn are offending all the other species, cut 'em off. That's what Jesus said to do.
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Of course to you I'm a murderer. You have assigned me to The Evil Team. Everything follows from that according to the Ohioan Creed. [See post 3831] 6.The world is divided into two teams, the good and the evil.
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You condemned Dubya mercilessly. So do you now worship him for criticizing Trump?
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Such wild, baseless accusations. Are you feeling OK? I'm concerned about you. You seem to be coming unhinged.
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I thought you were a smart guy. Obviously you can't connect the dots. To vote for any Democrat is to vote for a supporter of the slaughter of the unborn. It's that simple. They obviously understand what you do not. And I am unhinged? Have you given up the news this summer? Perhaps you are also out there on the streets protesting ICE and Trump's next SCOTUS pick over the abortion issue.
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Progressive Meltdown The Left Can’t Come to Grips with Loss of Power There’s no better explanation for the current progressive meltdown. Key Trump administration officials have been confronted at restaurants. Representative Maxine Waters (D., Calif.) urged protesters to hound Trump officials at restaurants, gas stations, or department stores. Progressive pundits and the liberal media almost daily think up new ways of characterizing President Trump as a Nazi, fascist, tyrant, or buffoon. Celebrities openly fantasize about doing harm to Trump. What is behind the unprecedented furor? Just as Barack Obama was not a centrist, neither is Trump. Obama promised to fundamentally transform the United States. Trump pledged to do the same and more — but in the exact opposite direction. The Trump agenda enrages the Left in much the same manner that Obamacare, the Obama tax hikes, Obama’s liberal Supreme Court picks, and the Iran nuclear deal goaded the Right. Yet the current progressive meltdown is about more than just political differences. The outrage is mostly about power — or rather, the utter and unexpected loss of it. In 2009, Obama seemed to usher in a progressive revolution for a generation. Democrats controlled the House. They had a super-majority in the Senate. Obama had a chance to ensure a liberal majority on the Supreme Court for years. Democrats had gained on Republicans at the state and local levels. The media, universities, professional sports, Hollywood, and popular culture were all solidly left-wing. A Republican had not won 51 percent of the popular vote in a presidential election since George H.W. Bush’s 1988 defeat of Democrat Michael Dukakis. Before 2016, Republicans had lost the popular vote in five of the previous six presidential elections. And then visions of a generation of progressive grandeur abruptly vanished. Obama left behind a polarized nation. Democrats lost both the House and the Senate. During Obama’s tenure, Democrats lost more than 1,000 seats at the state level. Presumptive winner Hillary Clinton blew the 2016 presidential election. Foolishly, Clinton tried to ensure a landslide victory by wasting precious campaign time in unwinnable red states such as Arizona and Georgia. Meanwhile, she too often neglected winnable purple states such as Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, all of which Obama had won in 2008 and 2012. Clinton apparently forgot that the Electoral College, not the popular vote, elects a president. After his election, President Trump did not implode as predicted. By following the Obama precedent of relying on executive orders, Trump began recalibrating everything from immigration enforcement to energy development. Abroad, Trump did what no other Republican president would have dared, bombing ISIS into submission, canceling the Iran deal, seeking to denuclearize North Korea, pulling out of the Paris climate accord, and moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. The U.S. economy took off with new tax cuts and deregulation. Radical improvement in unemployment, economic growth, and oil and natural-gas production created new consumer and business confidence. Despite his frequent crudeness, Trump is inching toward a 50 percent approval rating in a few polls. That has only made an impotent opposition grow even more furious — both at the other half of the country for supporting Trump, and at a buoyant Trump himself for baiting and ridiculing progressives in the fashion of no prior president. Worse still, much of the loss of progressive power was at least partly self-inflicted. Former Democratic Senate majority leader Harry Reid foolishly dropped the number of votes needed to overcome a filibuster for executive appointments and most judicial nominations in 2013. That blunder ensured Republicans the chance to remake the Supreme Court when they took over the Senate in 2014. Obama chose not to try to win over his opposition, but to alienate it by veering hard left in his second term. Hillary Clinton foolishly got herself into a number of personal scandals that embarrassed her party and helped lead to her defeat. In reaction to the sudden loss of political power, Democrats would have been wise to run to the center, as did Bill Clinton, who all but ended the era of the Reagan Republicans. They could have dropped their obsession with identity politics and instead attempted to win over blue-collar voters with more inclusive class appeals rather than racial appeals. Instead, Democrats have endlessly replayed the 2016 election. In Groundhog Day fashion, Hillary Clinton repeatedly offered tired excuses for her loss. To progressives, Trump became not an opponent to be beaten with a better agenda, but an evil to be destroyed. Moderate Democrats were written off as dense; left-wing fringe elements were praised as clever. Voters in 2016 bristled at redistribution, open borders, bigger government, and higher taxes, but progressives are now promising those voters even more of what they didn’t want. Furious over the sudden and unexpected loss of power, enraged progressives have so far done almost everything to lose even more of it. And that paradox only leads to more furor. -- V. D. Hanson
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This follows from the Ohioan Creed items #6, #7 and #8. The world is divided into two teams, the good and the evil.
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Pretty good summary of the last two years, eh? Sorry your team is doing so bad. Why don't you vote some decent people in for a change. Team Democrat couldn't win on a Hate-Trump platform, so they now have this platform:
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Democrat Team is so tired of losing every day that they are rapidly becoming violent.
Democrat Man Allegedly Threatened to Kill Long Island Trump Supporters Resorting to violence is all they got left since their leaders are so pitiful. Look what Obama did to Team ZEEK. EEK!
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Kind of like admitting I grew up in Cleveland during football season.
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Your not honest either. You hate everything about Trump, and say nothing bad about Obama or his policies, but then you pretend you're not on the team. Bogus!
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I'm just doing what you have been doing for months, and now you are outraged? More like faux-raged! Listening to you is like watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.
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I certainly liked Obama better than Trump. But, I wasn't uncritical of him. Ask Harold. I'm not uncritically accepting of anybody, not even myself. But I wasn't going to fuel the fire of your hatred which seem to be based on racism as much as anything else. When you posted what you thought were my positions in post # 3842 I corrected you with the facts. I already asked you to do the same for post 3831 but you wouldn't. Why not? You could have clarified exactly where you stand on all those issues. But, you didn't because you're hiding. Why?
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Both parties are corrupt at the top and failing the country. You're so busy defending that you can't see it.
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You have never corrected me with facts. You have never stated any. You can only cite liberal progressive links which condemn Trump, evangelicals, or conservatives. You can have the last word.
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"Secretary of State Mike Pompeo seemingly failed to gain a single concession from North Korea after meetings Friday and Saturday in the communist nation’s capital of Pyongyang to discuss America’s demand that the North get rid its nuclear weapons." Is anyone surprised? Trump's meeting with Kim was devoid of substance.
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You're forgetting that Trump love bombed little Rocket Man ... all huggie and kissy ... and when that love bombing goes unrequited, Trump hits back 10 times harder. Forget Kim Jong Un. It's Trump that won't ever denuclearize. And he's just as unpredictable as littl' Kim.
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TRUMP IS A CHILD ABUSER
Kids as young as 1 in US court, awaiting reunion with family. The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for “agua.” Then it was the child’s turn for his court appearance before a Phoenix immigration judge, who could hardly contain his unease with the situation during the portion of the hearing where he asks immigrant defendants whether they understand the proceedings. “I’m embarrassed to ask it, because I don’t know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law,” Judge John W. Richardson told the lawyer representing the 1-year-old boy. The boy is one of hundreds of children who need to be reunited with their parents after being separated at the border, many of them split from mothers and fathers as a result of the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance policy.” The separations have become an embarrassment to the administration as stories of crying children separated from mothers and kept apart for weeks on end dominated the news in recent weeks. https://www.apnews.com/4cb60fc06ca34...gEmail__070918
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Don't forget TRUMP IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. North Korea's nuclear threat remains real and unabated.
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I don't think NK has actually ever been a real existential threat to America. Lot's of big talk but have you seen NK rockets? They look like fireworks.
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Did I mention America? What about South Korea, Japan and other allies of the United States in the region? Are North Korean nukes an existential threat to them? Do you think that matters?
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Everyone matters. That's why the world needs to denuclearize. NK just wants to be right up there with the big boys. Nukes are out of the bag. Maybe all the king's men and all the king's horses can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Maybe we can't stop NK. Maybe what we got all worked up over was just a Trump Real TV photo op.
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While I agree with ZNP's criticism of Trump from the last line of his post in #3513, there is a transparent discrepancy in regard to the media's projection of Obama versus the media's projection of Trump. Hypocrisy through and through.
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At least Trump didn't pick the handmaiden.
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Green Day’s ‘American Idiot’ Is Topping UK Charts Upon Trump’s Visit
A British campaign to taunt the U.S. president seems to be working.
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Why did Trump pick Kavanaugh? No big mystery there. In a 2009 law review article Kavanaugh suggested providing sitting presidents with a temporary deferral from civil suits and criminal prosecutions and investigations. That had to be music to Trump's ears.
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You have a "wicked eye," all you see is evil. (Mark 7.22)
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The more powerful a nation grows, the greater the need for humility.
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..."And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?" Jesus
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Someone that sees more than half of America as evil has no room to call others evil eye.
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Just how many zeeks are there? 160 million?
But this is exactly what you and the poster zeek have continually done, ascribing every manner of evil to Trump, his administration, his voters, Republicans, conservatives, evangelicals, etc. Or perhaps you are naive as to what you have written? Let me remind you of some of these things: ignorance, xenophobia, bias, psychopath, stupidity, racism, anti-Christ, idiocy, misogyny, islamophobia, pathological liar, etc. You regularly pass on the identity politics of character assassination which you pick up from the media. Sorry if you are no "awareness" of what you are doing. Just because you are in the majority on this sub-forum, doesn't make what you do correct. Or honest.
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Good to have you back after your long hiatus, bro.
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Yeah. We need our liberal hater.
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"Liberal hater"is a double entendre. It can mean one who hates liberals or a liberal that hates. Ohio has claimed that I'm a liberal hater of the second kind. My mother taught me never to use the word hate. But it's true I hate injustice. I hate violence. I hate when bullies prey on those who are weaker. I hate what humanity is doing to the environment we live in most particularly to the other sentient living beings. I hate that because I love not only humanity but the other living creatures as well. When they suffer I suffer with them. So I'll plead guilty to being a liberal hater in the second sense because I'm a liberal lover as well. To love others is to hate what hurts them.
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Novartis paid Cohen $1.2 million for his advice. So to all those haters out there who thought he was some kind of stupid tough guy, you must be feeling pretty stupid right now.
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Mueller's indictment of the 12 Russian hackers does not rule out the possibility of some 300 lb fat kid in his parents basement, just like Donald said. Not until we know how heavy these Russians are and where they live.
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After doing Putin's work by insulting the leaders of NATO, the UK and the US Presidents who preceded him, Trump should receive high marks from his Puppet-master. Too bad they are meeting secretly so we won't be privy too their possible further collusion. In a further attempt to sow division among our allies, Trump told Prime Minister Theresa May that she should sue the EU and not go into negotiations. Fox News did their usual propaganda job of diverting attention from Trump's failing European tour by focusing on Obama. http://video.foxnews.com/v/580947765...#sp=show-clips
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Good idea. Impeach all three of them at once - Obama, Clinton and Trump - a Triune Impeachment as it were.
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President Trump, standing beside Vladimir Putin, did him a huge favor by refusing to say whether he believed U.S. intelligence or Russia on election interference in 2016.
Top congressional Republicans sharply criticized President Donald Trump Monday after he cast doubt on Russian interference in the 2016 election during a press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin. “Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning regarding future elections,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who often advocates for Mr. Trump on Capitol Hill, said on Twitter. https://www.wsj.com/articles/republi...ing-1531764090 John McCain tweeted: "Today’s press conference in #Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory." And on his website added: "No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant" In a strongly-worded statement, US House Speaker Paul Ryan said Mr. Trump "must appreciate that Russia is not our ally". "There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals," he said, adding that there was "no question" Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election. "The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy." Look for damage control for members of the Trump personality cult on "Hannity" and "Fox and Friends" tomorrow morning.
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I knew I would find reasoned and intelligent discussion here.
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We're just following you're lead, bro.
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Don't you know the difference between "your" and "you're"?
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Among your many lovely traits you are also a pedant. Unlike you I occasionally make mistakes.
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Cute. It was a propaganda victory for Putin. Trump's supporters like him because he projects strength. Here he was deferential and used conciliatory language that made him look weak. So even those who would support him if he shot somebody on 5th Avenue are like
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He never received 50% of the vote, the only reason more republicans haven't defected is for selfish reasons. Already a number of the Republicans have spoken out and condemned this, including the leaders of the party and even those who publicly supported Trump. We no longer need Mueller, the coordination between Trump and Putin is there for all to see. I would like to believe that sanity will return to this country during the upcoming election. I would also like to believe that with all this smoke there must be a fire and Mueller will soon indict it.
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"At their joint press conference, President Putin was calculated and in control. Conversely, President Trump seemed to lack authority, praising Putin when he should have been condemning him, and ceding opportunities to confront Putin on his most egregious actions of the past decade – including meddling in the 2016 election and the illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014."
"For a sitting U.S. president to say publicly that he believes a foreign leader over his own intelligence team is shocking and admonishable. At a time when our democracy faces grave threats, it is deeply troubling that the president would side with the very country who attacked us." http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...st-russia.html
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He's losing alright. The New York Times reports that the Justice Department announced espionage charges against a Russian woman who tried to broker Trump-Putin meetings during the 2016 campaign. But Trump's performance yesterday was a self-inflicted wound... An impeachable high crime and misdemeanor against the United States on the world stage. By the way where is Ohio? Hiding in shame? Who will correct my spelling?
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Here's how a sensible president deals with Putin :
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I must have laughed for a good 5 mins after reading about the giant cheese puff meeting with Putin.
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His "clarifying" remarks today reminded me of that braggart we all knew in HS who got totally whipped and humiliated like a coward and then a few hours later is trying to pretend like we all didn't see his humiliation.
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Right. Trump's attempt to erase the damage from his disgusting traitorous performance only made him look more stupid. Or is it stupider? Ohio?
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Asked today by reporters at the start of a Cabinet meeting if Russia is still targeting the U.S., Trump shook his head and answered "no." That's counter to a warning issued by his director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, who said last week that "the warning signs are there. The system is blinking," and that "today, the digital infrastructure that serves this country is literally under attack." Now he's denying that's what he meant. Trump is a master of the implausible denial.
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I would hate to work in the Whitehouse. I have close friends who were quite high up during Clinton's Whitehouse and others who are currently very highly placed in the Senate. Behind the scenes they are cringing at what is going on, but publicly they are doing the best they can to keep a poker face.
“It is impossible to overstate the disdain for Trump and anyone associated with him in elite circles in the Northeast and on the West Coast.” https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-de...161957861.html
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President Obama got caught in private conversation with a hot mic today in Seoul, South Korea, telling outgoing Russian president Dmitry Medvedev that Vladimir Putin should give him more "space" and that "[a]fter my election I have more flexibility." Here is the exchange caught on a "hot" mike: President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."
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Perhaps the American voters would like to clarify what they really meant when they voted in 2016? Maybe Melania misspoke when she said "I do". This opportunity to take back what we said yesterday but now realize was a mistake today, that could be Trump's greatest legacy.
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I just think he's out of his depth and making it up as he goes along. His gut instinct as a businessman. Still even in business I wouldn't want to be saying what he says. "okay then, it's a deal, I'll draw up the contract". "Sorry! I meant to say it's not a deal, and was talking about something else when I referred to the contract". He was born rich (not self-made), thinks he's good at something which he isn't (he's not such a great businessman), and tries to be the President. When he's standing next to real leaders (the Queen, Putin, etc), it becomes obvious to everyone. Whether it's walking in front of the Queen so she has to run around him, or saying stupid things, it's just not professional. Worse he's forced himself into a corner now that he's offended everyone who were considered allies, the EU and NATO won't want to touch him.
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The Great Eagle (as opposed to other Eagles like Mexico) would certainly be the US, it is also described as "the wilderness" and a place to flee to. Gog -- Russia, MaGog -- China. Armageddon is clearly a place in the Middle East. The Four corners of the Earth are tied up at the Tigris/Euphrates -- sounds like the current situation in Iraq.
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Michael Kimmage https://history.catholic.edu/faculty...ael/index.htmlhttps://www.vox.com/conversations/20...-syria-ukraine
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Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.That people still look to the fulfillment of Revelation's in the 21st century is a testimony to the book's power to symbolize people's existential angst. To make that symbolic story into something about the USA 2000 years later seems like desperately wishful thinking. It is like an eagle flying in the face of the probability that John was writing about people and events of the world he knew and he knew nothing about the world 20 centuries later.
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Compare Trump's first visit with a Russian with that of Kennedy, Bush, Obama. Trump was set up. The vultures swooped in. But it won't happen again. Here's just one fact that blows this whole collusion / treason / fake news reporting out of the water: When Ukraine asked for help from Obama, after Russia invaded them and annexed Crimea, Obama gave them blankets. Trump, however, gave them Javelin anti-tank shoulder-launched missiles. Russia then stopped their aggression. Compare this to what Reagan did when Russia invaded Afghanistan during the Carter administration -- he gave them Stinger anti-aircraft shoulder-launched missiles. Russia was then defeated by the Afghans. You should start reading history instead of listening to the news. I can't find anything in the mainstream news these days that is fact-based accurate reporting. Every single news report is skewed to the point of deception. I only wish you could see thru it. Wide is the way that leads to destruction.
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If you are interested, one conservative Christian who is on the front lines of the cultural war is Dinish D'Sousa, whom Trump recently pardoned, and who has a new movie coming out soon.
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Why are people acting surprised about Putin coming to Washington in the Fall? Obviously he needs to consult with Trump on election strategy. The midterms are going to be crucial. I wouldn't even be surprised if, as an incredible gesture to save the US taxpayer money, Putin offers to let Trump use his translator.
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Meanwhile, Hilary's campaign manager Podesta along with his friends have all been given immunity in order to "sing and compose" against Manafort. Totally corrupt. But all the Kool-Aid drinkers are numb to this corruption.
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Russia says it is already prepared to implement agreements Putin and Trump reached in secret but Trump is keeping Americans in the dark about what those agreements are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veDWbq4Q5M8
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Good idea of Dimbart divert your attention in order to take the heat off Trump. Whatever makes you feel better about tough guy's monumental show of weakness, go for it.
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I believe that Roseanne does have a point, though of course she has not helped her cause by acting crazy.
Trevor Noah on the Daily Show made a big deal that France's victory in the world cup was really a victory for Africa. This was based on the fact that about half the players on the team "didn't get their tan from the South of France". Now that is an extremely racist thing to say and it is quite insulting to the non blacks. It hints at the insult that white's are not good athletes. The French were insulted and outraged by the remark and several leaders of the country have openly rebuked Trevor Noah for these comments. But have any advertisers pulled their support? No. Have any suggested they might? No. Has anyone even hinted that he could get fired over this racist comment? No. There is a double standard. Racist comments against "whites" are OK.
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Woke ZNP? "White guilt is Black power" -- Shelby Steele. However, racism and reverse racism are designed to destroy America not to help African Americans.
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This is the first I've heard of this, maybe because I don't watch TV. The different standards could be due to the fact that Barr was on network TV and Noah is on cable. They LITERALLY do have different standards. For example they can say f**k on cable TV but that word is censored on commercial broadcast networks ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox.
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I can name thousands of facts you are ignoring -- you just claim I am ignoring.
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A perfect description of yourself. Prop #14 You must continue to be a strong voice to win the ignorant alt views fools to the way of Truth. Carry on, bro.
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But finally stuff Trump has been hiding and lying about is coming out. Like a recording of Trump and Cohen discussing paying off Playboy model Karen McDougal to keep her mouth shut about sleeping with Trump.
Next up, we'll finally see Trump's tax returns, that he's hiding, with the NY lawsuit. Truth is bro Ohio, and I'm sorry to tell you this, but, you've been conned.
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Because I thought the guy was a celibate priest? Because I thought the guy never paid to get what he wanted? Because I thought the guy didn't file a tax return? Just what are you sorry about? Hurting my feelings? That I might find out that Trump is a sinner? A liar? A bully? A playboy? An adulterer? Truth be told, you still have no idea why Hilary lost. Or Trump won. Or anything else that is reported in the news. And which party do you think are the real Fascists? Would you even know what truth looked like if it landed in your lap?
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Paula Deen was fired from the Food Network Phil Robertson was fired from Duck Dynasty, but fan revolt got him reinstated. Anthony Cumia was fired from Opie and Andy, a Sirius radio show. Don Yelton was fired for racist remarks he made on the Daily show. All four of these were on cable TV shows, including the Daily Show. Compare what Jimmy the Greek said which got him fired, essentially identical to what Trevor Noah said. The only common factor for those who were fired and those who aren't is that if someone is white and says something racist they are fired, if they are black they aren't. You can even find articles justifying this where the claim is made that Blacks can be biased but not racist. The Facts are this: 1. Trevor Noah has made a blatantly racist remark during his show. It offended those in France to the extent that the French leader even wrote a letter to the Daily show complaining about the racist tenor of the joke. 2. Noah's comment is virtually identical to the remark made by Jimmy the Greek which got him fired. 3. There are numerous examples of people getting fired from Cable TV for making racists remarks. 4. No sponsor has even hinted that they are pulling their support for the Daily Show. 5. No one is even suggesting that Trevor Noah be fired. Why?
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Here is Roseanne Barr defending herself to give you a little taste of why she was fired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl0hLA4B_HE Here's Trevor Noah defending himself: https://slate.com/culture/2018/07/tr...nts-video.html Do you discern a difference? Do see why someone might not want to work with Ms. Barr? Even if you don't agree with Noah, at least he keeps his sh*t together. Any similarity between what Noah said and what Jimmy the Greek said exists solely in your mind.
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Jimmy the Greek said said "many blacks were superior athletes because of breeding from the time of slavery and that the only area in sports left for whites was coaching." Trevor Noah said “Africa won the world cup, Africa won the world cup, Africa won the world cup, Africa won the world cup, I get it, they have to say it’s the French team but look at those guys, you don’t get that tan by hanging out in the south of France my friend. Basically if you don’t understand France is Africa’s back up team”. This is based on the fact that 5 out of 11 players are black. However, 21 out of 23 were born in France and all 23 are French citizens. As Araud writes, “Unlike the United States of America, France does not refer to their citizens based on their race, religion or origin. To us, there is no hyphenated identity, roots are an individual reality. By calling them an African team, it seems you are denying their Frenchness. This, even in jest, legitimizes the ideology which claims whiteness as the only definition of being French.” Hence my conclusion as well as many others that this was a racist comment by Noah. So then, perhaps this is in my mind. Certainly Trevor Noah is not accusing France of cheating, that would be a major scandal and inconceivable that they could get away with having ringers play for them. So then, what does he mean “Africa won the world cup”. In my understanding he is saying that France won because of the black players, perhaps I misunderstood, you can clarify this for me. What did he mean that France is “Africa’s back up team”? Perhaps he is not saying that “many blacks are superior athletes” and that this is why France won (which is what Jimmy the Greek was saying). So since you apparently understand his “joke” differently why not explain it to us. Also, does your silence on the other four facts indicate that you agree that they are the facts? Also, is your response now that Roseanne was fired because they didn't want to work with her, but that it is OK to be totally racist and insulting as long as you "can keep your sh*t together"? Really? His response Noah reads letter: Ambassador "nothing could be less true" Noah "I could have said Scandinavia won, that would be less true" He doubled down on his racist comments. Ambassador "the rich and varied background is a reflection of France's diversity" Noah "I don't want to be an asshole but I think it is a reflection of France's colonialism". Clearly, Noah is tying his comment into slavery. Noah refers to "Nazi's" in France who attack the French players of African heritage and tell them "to go back to Africa, you aren't french, you are African". This is what the Ambassador was repudiating and to him, to me and to many others (obviously not Zeek, we are still waiting for his insight) what Noah said was equivalent to what the Nazi's were saying. Both were saying that they weren't french they were Africans. Then Noah pulls a very deceitful little trick. "In order to be French you have to erase everything that is African?" He was the one that erased their status as French. He was the one that said, based on five players, that a team of 23 French men did not represent France's victory but Africa's. How is any of this a celebration that they could become French? He says "I don't take their frenchness away". Really, sure fooled me and everyone else in France. Not only did he take the "frenchness" away from the five, but from all 23. So yes, I see a difference. Trevor Noah is more polished at lying and being deceitful. Personally I think his critique of Roseanne is very appropriate here. He makes it very clear in his little monologue that saying something that is racist means you are racist.
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My issue is hypocrisy. Slavery was hypocritical. It involved lying, deceit, distorting the word of God, etc. Civil rights will never result in a world that is just if those fighting for civil rights are hypocrites. You will not get justice if the foundation is lies, deceits, and hypocrisy. I don't excuse the lies and deceits of Clinton, on the other hand I don't think that Clinton's lies justify or exonerate Trump's lies. It is quite obvious that many people feel you have to compensate for past injustice with present injustice. I believe that is a failed strategy. If people rebelled against the past injustice then they will certainly rebel against institutional injustice that is supposed to "compensate" for that.
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The civil rights movement condemned past unrighteousness, but if they do that by perpetuating unrighteousness it will fail. Same is true of Trump. His campaign was based on condemning past unrighteousness. But if he perpetuates the unrighteousness he will fail.
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I would say that the recent trip to Helsinki smells of unrighteousness. Some have called it treasonous, others have called it despicable. I have yet to hear anyone defend his actions. But I said "if he", still too early to say specifically. However, the recent tape released that both Trump and Guiliani have authenticated and which they both claim "proves Trump did nothing wrong" I consider very troubling. What does the tape prove? 1. Trump had an affair with that woman. 2. Trump was in the habit of having his fixer pay off tabloid papers to buy and bury the stories from these affairs. 3. Trump lied when he said he knew nothing of Cohen making the payment. By any measure I feel it is absurd to say that proving these three things is equated with "proving Trump did nothing wrong". Once again, this reminds me of the complaints about Clinton not having a moral compass.
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History taught us that marital fidelity was preferred but not something Americans could demand of Presidents. JFK and WJC were liberal icons yet serial philanderers, while Eisenhower, FDR, and others still had their affairs. None of them got the 24/7 treatment that Trump gets, so the media makes Trump look far worse than others. It was only after public scandal that Americans seemed to demand a "moral" president like Carter or Bush. Unfortunately neither of these was respected as a great leader. Thus the truly great presidents, both moral and brilliant leaders, are reduced to a handful like Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan.
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The media has claimed treason and the destruction of our democracy since Nov 8, 2016. Don't be fooled by hysteria. Follow the facts. That's what your forensics training has taught you.
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1. Generally a meeting of this sort would involve a tremendous amount of preparation between State departments and low level experts to hash out agreements. There was none of that. 2. Generally a meeting of this magnitude would involve 20 people on each side of the table, each with various portfolios. Again, none of that. 3. Although meetings between the President of the US and the leader of Russia would be confidential, that doesn't apply to other members of our government with Top Secret clearance. The idea that the only person who knows what took place was the interpreter is, at the very least, alarming. 4. The idea that Top officials for national security would be surprised on a TV show about Trump's announcement for another State visit with Putin, at the very least, demonstrates that he keeps everyone else out of the loop. That also is alarming to me. 5. Siding with Russia against the conclusions of our own intelligence concerning Russian meddling, is extremely alarming. To me that alone warrants taking precautions against the possibility that Trump has been compromised. 6. Trump's idiotic applause for Putin to interrogate the suspects and let us watch as long as the Russians could also interrogate US ambassadors, that is scary alarming. 7. I agree with the conclusion that this single event is the most embarrassing diplomatic fiasco in the history of US Presidents.
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The French Ambassador to the U.S., Gérard Araud, legitimated denial of the player's African heritage when he wrote "Unlike in the United States of America, France does not refer to its citizens based on their race, religion or origin. To us there is no hyphenated identity." A few European players of hyphenated origin confirmed that their ethnic heritages are denied: Benzema: ‘When I score I’m French, when I don’t I’m an Arab’ Lukaku: ‘When things were going well, I was Lukaku the Belgian striker...when they weren’t going well, I was the Belgian striker of Congolese descent’ Ozil: ‘When we win, I am German. When we lose, I am an immigrant’ [bey urdus @_beardus ] When Trevor Noah validated the player's African heritage without acknowledging their Frenchness he apparently felt he was justly counter-balancing the omission of the French media and therefore he was unapologetic about it.
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The Lord said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Their words prove that they did not treat the French the way they want the French to treat them. In fact they did the exact thing they are saying is unrighteous, hence they have condemned themselves with their own words.
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Trevor Noah is an example, Black lives matter, another example, Black Panthers another example, etc.
This also includes those who fight for LGBTQ rights, etc. The road that leads to life is narrow and there are few that find it. Ghandi found it, Nelson Mandela found it and Martin Luther King Jr. found it.
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Supposedly 90% of Trump's "lies" are simply when he calls out the MEDIA for their fake news.
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In short, the best way to stop a bad man with hate speech, is a good man with hate speech. And the best way to stop a Christian cheerleader for Trump, is a Christian cheerleader against Trump.
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That was for znp not you. I know you have more important things to do and better stuff to watch.
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The only guy worth listening to is Jordan Peterson.
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It might surprise you to know that I was watching Jordan Peterson's lectures on YouTube before he got into the free speech controversy and became the intellectual darling of the internet right. He has a very extensive knowledge of psychology including it's quantitative aspects as well as CG Jung and Nietzsche.
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Do you also listen to Dinish D'Sousa, Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, or Ben Shapiro? These guys have taken on the free speech culture war head on.
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Trey Gowdy: Whoever advised Trump on Russia should consider resigning. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ider-resigning
True, but as Trump has said ‘My primary consultant is myself’ so, he's the one who should resign.
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Not really. I see in an article in National Review, Shapiro wrote: "I've experienced more pure, unadulterated anti-Semitism since coming out against Trump's candidacy than at any other time in my political career. Trump supporters have threatened me and other Jews who hold my viewpoint. They've blown up my e-mail inbox with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. They greeted the birth of my second child by calling for me, my wife, and two children to be thrown into a gas chamber." I'm surprised you're still endorsing him.
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Every answer Trump could give thus is wrong. Like the old question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" If Trump denies, then the MEDIA screams that there is overwhelming evidence of Russian interference, yet they conveniently neglect the fact that Russia has been interfering for almost a century, and NoKo, Iran, and China are worse actors. And btw, the US also has a long history of interfering in other elections, e.g. the recent Israeli presidential election. If Trump scolds Russia publicly, then he "admits" that he colluded with Russia to win the election, even though there is no evidence of this. The media was ready to jump on every reply Trump gave. How is it that Obama and Hilary clamored for a "reset," condemned Romney for his fear of Russia as a geo-political threat, and yet today they are pushing for war with Putin. Political strategy perhaps? Intelligence gamesmanship by the Deep State? EVERYTHING Trump does is wrong to this Media, to the Obama leftovers, to the Rinos, and of course to the Democrats -- so why not piss them all off and invite Putin to the White House. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?" This is the sad state of American politics today.
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Yeah, if you are a transphobe, and virulent anti-LGBTQ, that supports conversion therapy.
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And want every Kindergardener in the world to thoroughly study these topics.
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Screw 'em. How's that for free speech. My free speech has the right to reject free speech. Everyone has a right to free speech ... and to reap the consequences, good or bad.
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Woke. Your side is shutting down free speech.
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Liberal Bill Maher and conservative Jordan Peterson agree about everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wLCmDtCDAM
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