Hope for all you church kids

Ohio · 07-25-2019, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Igzy

Minoru says at around 15:00: "The fact that it is not perfect does not negate the fact that this is the 'Lord's Recovery."

Minoru is full of hot air. Let me say this plainly:

THE IDEA OF THE LORD'S RECOVERY IS NOT A NOTION SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE. IT IS A MAN-MADE IDEA. IT HAS NO MEANING TO GOD. THIS IS THEIR ERROR, PRESUMING TO BE SOMETHING SPECIAL, EVEN CLAIMING TO BE SOMETHING SPECIAL, WHEN THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO BIBLICAL BASIS FOR DOING SO. THIS IS DELUSION. THIS IS THE LIE. IT IS A HOAX AND A BOONDOGGLE. IT DOES NOT OBLIGATE ANYONE TO HONOR IT OR RESPECT IT. DO NOT BE SWAYED BY IT. STICK TO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, AND IT NEVER MENTIONS ANYTHING ABOUT ANY SPECIAL END TIMES 'MOVE' LIKE THE RECOVERY. IT JUST IS NOT BIBLICAL. PERIOD.

God has always been moving to build his Church and complete his plan. He doesn't need some special "Recovery" to do so. All that notion does is give some nutty group like the LR a way to claim to be IT to the exclusion of all others. It's the subtly of Satan. Don't be fooled.

MINORU'S WORDS ARE ABSOLUTELY DEVOID OF MEANING.

Totally agree with this.

Years ago I studied the Exclusive Brethren history as part of my Exit Strategy. Imagine my shock learning that they also claim the exact same special status for their group, just change all the names.

They have all the exact claims: one church one city, ground of oneness, deputy authority, MOTA, one move of God, His unique recovery, etc. etc.

Nee learned this all from them. He passed it on to Lee. Same scam. Same claims. Different terminology.

Cal · 07-25-2019, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Nee learned this all from them. He passed it on to Lee. Same scam. Same claims. Different terminology.

The problem is the notion that there has to be one GROUP that is the RIGHT one, because you have to know where to go.

But God just doesn't operate that way. He is far too wise to set up such a system, because it would quickly fall under human control.

Think about it. A small set of leaders are given control of "God's one true move." What happens if they go bad? Well, in one sense they cannot "go bad," because since they are in control of the move, they are the move, they define it. But we all know humans can go bad. So surely then God can leave the move. But how do you know when that happens? Well, your guess is as good as anyone's!

It's all just crazy. Yet, if you take the bait of the idea of "the one true move," then the hook of the consequences has you. And you find yourself sitting in a meeting with some tired windbag like Minoru Chen or Ron Kangas droning on about "The Lord's Recovery" and how you can't leave because this is it, so shut up and take your medicine.

The subtly of Satan. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE IT. Don't take the bait.

awareness · 07-25-2019, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Igzy

The problem is the notion that there has to be one GROUP that is the RIGHT one, because you have to know where to go.

But God just doesn't operate that way. He is far too wise to set up such a system, because it would quickly fall under human control.

Think about it. A small set of leaders are given control of "God's one true move." What happens if they go bad? Well, in one sense they cannot "go bad," because since they are in control of the move, they are the move, they define it. But we all know humans can go bad. So surely then God can leave the move. But how do you know when that happens? Well, your guess is as good as anyone's!

It's all just crazy. Yet, if you take the bait of the idea of "the one true move," then the hook of the consequences has you. And you find yourself sitting in a meeting with some tired windbag like Minoru Chen or Ron Kangas droning on about "The Lord's Recovery" and how you can't leave because this is it, so shut up and take your medicine.

The subtly of Satan. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE IT. Don't take the bait.

But some people want, need, someone to do their thinking for them ... someone to tell them what they need to do, and how to live. In the Nee/Lee movement that's what happens.

And, "brother, get out of your mind," lends right into it. Your own thinking only gets in the way of the master thinker ... which due to untold reasons -- mental shortcomings of some kind surely, due maybe to being young and ignorant, and in the need of a replacement father figure -- they 'feel' they need.

After all, Lee and Co. does over a purpose driven life : their purpose, of course, not your own. Check you mind at the door ... or completely in the training's ; just let it become a tape recorder ... let yourself be blended with Lee ... a Leebot ... like the blended brothers

Cal · 07-25-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by awareness

After all, Lee and Co. does over a purpose driven life : their purpose, of course, not your own. Check you mind at the door ... or completely in the training's ; just let it become a tape recorder ... let yourself be blended with Lee ... a Leebot ... like the blended brothers

Well, some people are happy in the LR. I mean, they genuinely feel that's where they Lord wants them. That's their prerogative.

The problem comes in when you are NOT happy, when there is a problem, and someone OTHER than God starts telling you what you can and cannot do. It's one thing to give concerned advice, it's another to threaten someone. Love does not threaten. Judgment is God's purview, not ours. For someone to say that "If you leave our group you are disobeying God," is beyond the pale. It's one of those things you JUST DO NOT DO.

I don't know how to make it more plain. As I've said before the whole MOTA/Recovery/LocalGround paradigm is a WHOPPER. A lie so big that it defies reason.

You just have to snap out of it. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kj...dFPbZxsCTPIXAm

Nell · 07-25-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Igzy

...The problem comes in when you are NOT happy, when there is a problem, and someone OTHER than God starts telling you what you can and cannot do...

Adding to this thought, you cannot tell the truth. If you're NOT happy about what's going on...you have to lie. "What's wrong sister?" "Oh nothing...I'm a little tired..." (tired of lying)"...the meeting was so rich..."

"Wasn't that a wonderful message?"
"Yes...brother...it was great..." (I've heard it a thousand times...why not one more? It was dead then. It's dead now.)

If you tell the truth, there can be devastating retribution. To me this is as bad, if not worse, than someone telling you what you can and cannot do.

Nell