RE: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery - Joann Casteel

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Jo S

It seems to me that leadership and members/ex-members are at a standoff regarding this.

I have seen and believe this to be the case between current leaders and former leaders.
One former leader I had spoken with in the past was open if the current leaders repented and that's the same from current leaders.
One current co-worker told me in 2008/2009 that the former leaders need to......explaining to do in no certain terms. Reading their side of the story was probably not what he had in mind, but that's what I provided.
Yes, current and past leaders are at a standoff with the current leaders believing they are God's deputy authorities.
How do ex-members (non-leaders) fit in? I think they go in in living life. Not asking nor needing repentance from current leaders. If it happened great, but it's not going to be a life-changing event. It's a case of one door closing and another door opening.
Question to ponder is what would happen if they ever crossed paths with a current leader? Would there be a feeling of the leader still having authority over them? Or would it be a feeling of "you have no authority over me"?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Terry

How do ex-members (non-leaders) fit in? I think they go in in living life. Not asking nor needing repentance from current leaders. If it happened great, but it's not going to be a life-changing event. It's a case of one door closing and another door opening.

Question to ponder is what would happen if they ever crossed paths with a current leader? Would there be a feeling of the leader still having authority over them? Or would it be a feeling of "you have no authority over me"?

This happened recently in NYC when ZNP ran into his old friend Ed Marks, now a Blended Brother. ZNP asked Ed why, as elder in Anaheim, he restored Philip Lee to church fellowship, when he never repented. EM said "because it pleased WL."

Moments later the NYC elders ushered ZNP out of their meeting hall.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This happened recently in NYC when ZNP ran into his old friend Ed Marks, now a Blended Brother. ZNP asked Ed why, as elder in Anaheim, he restored Philip Lee to church fellowship, when he never repented. EM said "because it pleased WL."

Moments later the NYC elders ushered ZNP out of their meeting hall.

I have to ask - Did EM think this was okay, that is, "because it pleased WL" or was it more of an honest confession moment?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

I have to ask - Did EM think this was okay, that is, "because it pleased WL" or was it more of an honest confession moment?

It sounded to me like that was the reason he did it, simple. From the conversation I realized he was aware of this forum and what has been said about him.

But it wasn't a repentance. I realized that when he asked to have the envelope the letter came in .

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

It sounded to me like that was the reason he did it, simple. From the conversation I realized he was aware of this forum and what has been said about him.

But it wasn't a repentance. I realized that when he asked to have the envelope the letter came in .

So he thought it was OK, just because WL said it was, right?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

So he thought it was OK, just because WL said it was, right?

The impression I got was that this was a justification for his action. He was making WL happy.

[aron]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The impression I got was that this was a justification for his action. He was making WL happy.

Make the LC Top Dog happy, make Jesus Christ and God the Father happy - pretty much a one-for-one analog in the LC. In fact, I'm hard pressed to come up with any scenario in the LC where this would not be so. As LC member put it, "I am happy to be an ostrich with my head stuck in the sand!" Shortly thereafter he was made an elder to the LC assembly in Anaheim, to replace the one who noticed 'Eli and his sons'...

Anyone who has not read this document should read it. The pattern is clear and consistent. Just do whatever Top Leadership says. Your conscience, the pattern of church history, the Bible do not matter. Obey the Top Leader.

http://makingstraightthewayofthelord...dsRecovery.pdf

[PriestlyScribe]

[QUOTE=Ohio;87767]ZNP asked Ed why, as elder in Anaheim, he restored Philip Lee to church fellowship, when he never repented. EM said "because it pleased WL."/QUOTE]

So sad to learn about brother Ed Marks' "idolatrous" response to ZNP. Of all the so-called Blendeds, Ed always had seemed (to me anyway) to be the least deluded of the inner circle. But I was wrong.

Ed's signature is clearly visible on this 1996 letter of apology to Philip Lee.

P.S.