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Old 05-18-2020, 12:16 PM   #1
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Question Coronavirus Powergrab?

Had an opportunity this morning to run some errands, and heard my favorite radio host, Dennis Prager (I like that he's respectful to just about everyone). As most everybody on radio is doing, he has something to say about the current situation. His basic stance, if I can remember right, was that the lock-down is the biggest hoax perpetuated on mankind so far. He thinks the virus itself is real, and that some measures were prudent, but the extreme economic lock-down has been a huge overreach that has caused much more damage than it's worth. If I understand him right, he's saying some measures were good and certain things are fine to keep practicing (like prudent social distancing & other common-sense precautions), but the extreme economic results will have a much bigger, longer lasting negative impact than the virus effects itself.

He further said that Marxists are besides themselves with glee over this global pandemic. This is because they finally see a wonderful opportunity to bring down capitalism, and bring in strong, centralized, socialistic government. As Rahm Emanuel is attributed as saying (quoting Machiavelli in part): “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. It’s an opportunity to do things you could not do before.”

So whatever you believe - the lock-down measures went way too far OR the lock-down measures aren't going far enough - I'm not so concerned about that. (And I'm not concerned about which political party you think is mainly to blame for whatever problem.) But do you believe that this pandemic will have gone far in "softening us up" and will be a rallying cry for a long time (for example, "Remember what happened when government didn't do enough during COVID-19?!"), to bring in really BIG government measures? And not just on a national level, but could this be a key stimulus to eventually bring everything under worldwide control?
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But do you believe that this pandemic will have gone far in "softening us up" and will be a rallying cry for a long time (for example, "Remember what happened when government didn't do enough during COVID-19?!"), to bring in really BIG government measures? And not just on a national level, but could this be a key stimulus to eventually bring everything under worldwide control?
So much deception and misinformation accompanies this pandemic. Whether they are Democrats, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, or Globalists, they all seek to use this crisis to eradicate Trump and those evil "capitalists." The world-wide propaganda machinery has gone into hyper-drive. Think about how these "scientists," these virologists, have manufactured exaggerated apocalyptic models to force western governments to shut down their countries. Even folks like Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, and Lebron James now carry water for the CCP.

This has now become China's chief selling point: they alone are equipped to lead the world during such scary times. Their economy has not suffered due to the pandemic. Amazing how the world's worst racists can use our media to condemn the Trump administration as racists. The CCP, like Hitler, wants an homogeneous population of compliant, yellow, atheist, subjects. Christians, Muslims, minorities, and socially scored "dissidents" are routinely sent to re-education camps or just disappear.
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So much deception and misinformation accompanies this pandemic. Whether they are Democrats, Marxists, Communists, Socialists, or Globalists, they all seek to use this crisis to eradicate Trump and those evil "capitalists." The world-wide propaganda machinery has gone into hyper-drive. Think about how these "scientists," these virologists, have manufactured exaggerated apocalyptic models to force western governments to shut down their countries. Even folks like Bill Gates, Michael Bloomberg, and Lebron James now carry water for the CCP.
Could be. But my purpose for starting this thread was not about the micro-politics of the here & now, but rather the bigger, even spiritual picture to all this. Do you think we'll look back and see this pandemic as one of the first big stepping stones, whereby people willingly hand over their freedom, and their tax monies, to facilitate the creation of much larger government - even an a world-wide scale? (thus ushering-in you know who)

I just amazed at the speed at which something like this has taken place, and shows how quickly we will just do what we're told . . . for the "greater good" of mankind.
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Could be. But my purpose for starting this thread was not about the micro-politics of the here & now, but rather the bigger, even spiritual picture to all this. Do you think we'll look back and see this pandemic as one of the first big stepping stones, whereby people willingly hand over their freedom, and their tax monies, to facilitate the creation of much larger government - even an a world-wide scale? (thus ushering-in you know who)

I just amazed at the speed at which something like this has taken place, and shows how quickly we will just do what we're told . . . for the "greater good" of mankind.
I think we're all amazed as well. Let this be a lesson "if" it's not too late and if it's too late, oh well...we shouldn't be suprised for it is written what will happen before His return.

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Could be. But my purpose for starting this thread was not about the micro-politics of the here & now, but rather the bigger, even spiritual picture to all this.

I just amazed at the speed at which something like this has taken place, and shows how quickly we will just do what we're told . . . for the "greater good" of mankind.
It's hard to discuss this topic without mentioning politics. I'll try. Whether you know it or not, politics will soon regulate your life like never before.

So ... let's talk technology instead. Do you have a smart phone? Do you have any idea how much info they can gather on you from your phone? You may think that cell phone provides you with liberty, actually the opposite. Do you know that your phone's microphone, camera, fingerprints, facial recognition, and GPS can all be turned on and accessed remotely?

As they say, "never let a good crisis go to waste," and this pandemic is the perfect opportunity for them. Do you know that coronavirus "contact tracing" is a ruse for the same "social scoring" being done in China? What about the current demands for unlimited testing? It also provides the last piece of data on you -- your DNA.

Some folks are seriously spooked by covid-1984. Yesterday I heard about the neighbor of a good friend. She stores all the food that she buys in a special fridge until she is sure all the corona germs have died off. Huh? I see people walking thru the woods with a mask on, afraid that me or my dog might get too close and contaminate them. Wow?

Since the beginning of this pandemic, the WHO, the NIH, the CDC, Dr. FowChee, the Scarf Lady, and the Surgeon General have consistently given us inconsistent information. Would you trust anyone in your life that was wrong that frequently? How about your mechanic, your tax preparer, your local police, your doctor, your wife?
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It's hard to discuss this topic without mentioning politics. I'll try. Whether you know it or not, politics will soon regulate your life like never before.

So ... let's talk technology instead. Do you have a smart phone? Do you have any idea how much info they can gather on you from your phone? You may think that cell phone provides you with liberty, actually the opposite. Do you know that your phone's microphone, camera, fingerprints, facial recognition, and GPS can all be turned on and accessed remotely?

As they say, "never let a good crisis go to waste," and this pandemic is the perfect opportunity for them. Do you know that coronavirus "contact tracing" is a ruse for the same "social scoring" being done in China? What about the current demands for unlimited testing? It also provides the last piece of data on you -- your DNA.

Some folks are seriously spooked by covid-1984. Yesterday I heard about the neighbor of a good friend. She stores all the food that she buys in a special fridge until she is sure all the corona germs have died off. Huh? I see people walking thru the woods with a mask on, afraid that me or my dog might get too close and contaminate them. Wow?

Since the beginning of this pandemic, the WHO, the NIH, the CDC, Dr. FowChee, the Scarf Lady, and the Surgeon General have consistently given us inconsistent information. Would you trust anyone in your life that was wrong that frequently? How about your mechanic, your tax preparer, your local police, your doctor, your wife?
Can't disagree with anything you've stated, and have seen many of these things myself. My wife and I were sitting out front just last evening (it still cools down enough in the evening to do that here) and saw a young man walking along, talking on his cell phone, with a mask on! No one else was out walking that we saw, but he was protected (at least in his mind)! People are on the hiking trail with them on too. And yes, the varying reports by every "expert" - if I took everything to heart I heard, I'd be curled-up in a fetal position, hunkered-down in my bathtub!

Can't government do something to make it all better?! (said not me)

And ditto on the whole technology thing! It's astounding what they are doing and claim to be on the verge of doing. Implants are next I suspect, because smartphones aren't nearly close enough to us. And while I didn't like what the contact tracing might turn into, I hadn't thought about it in terms of the Chinese Social Credit System! double yikes!

So all of this is most rapidly coming together to facilitate control over the populous, like man has not seen or conceived of. Then the "little man" will have his day.

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
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Can't disagree with anything you've stated, and have seen many of these things myself. My wife and I were sitting out front just last evening (it still cools down enough in the evening to do that here) and saw a young man walking along, talking on his cell phone, with a mask on! No one else was out walking that we saw, but he was protected (at least in his mind)! People are on the hiking trail with them on too. And yes, the varying reports by every "expert" - if I took everything to heart I heard, I'd be curled-up in a fetal position, hunkered-down in my bathtub!

Can't government do something to make it all better?! (said not me)

And ditto on the whole technology thing! It's astounding what they are doing and claim to be on the verge of doing. Implants are next I suspect, because smartphones aren't nearly close enough to us. And while I didn't like what the contact tracing might turn into, I hadn't thought about it in terms of the Chinese Social Credit System! double yikes!

So all of this is most rapidly coming together to facilitate control over the populous, like man has not seen or conceived of. Then the "little man" will have his day.

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
And the most insidious thing is this: The man in the White House, along with those who align with him, are daily maligned as the enemy, while those who hate him are viewed as your friends.
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But praise the Lord, He is victor!

When they take our rights, our belongings, our ability to assemble, our right to speak for the Lord, and even our life, that is the time we can really say . . .

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
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When the take our rights, our belongings, our ability to assemble, our right to speak for the Lord, and even our life, that is the time we can really say . . .

But praise the Lord, He is victor!
"As it is written: 'For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.'"
GLORY here we come!
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HALF of all Twitter posts demanding US reopen economy and spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories are bots, researchers say

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HALF of all Twitter posts demanding US reopen economy and spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories are bots, researchers say

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And the other half are legit because families have lost everything.

Are these "bots" also showing up at protests hiding behind masks?
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Trump’s Push To Open Churches Contradicts Jesus’ Teaching To Love Neighbors, Clergy Say

"According to the activist Rev. William Barber, Trump’s push contradicts a fundamental tenet of the president’s Christian faith ― to love your neighbor as yourself."

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Alan Dershowitz says the state has every right to ‘plunge a needle into your arm’ and forcibly vaccinate its citizens

"Let me put it very clearly," Dershowitz said. "You have no constitutional right to endanger the public and spread the disease, even if you disagree. You have no right not to be vaccinated, you have no right not to wear a mask, you have no right to open up your business."

But if you want to interact with other people, you cannot become Typhoid Mary. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to spread your illness to other people."

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Oh my goodness - this is totally bringing out the loonies from all extremes! Only one answer - a global government must protect us!

So where can I send all my money to support this highly critical, most worthy endeavor?!
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Alan Dershowitz says the state has every right to ‘plunge a needle into your arm’ and forcibly vaccinate its citizens

"Let me put it very clearly," Dershowitz said. "You have no constitutional right to endanger the public and spread the disease, even if you disagree. You have no right not to be vaccinated, you have no right not to wear a mask, you have no right to open up your business."

But if you want to interact with other people, you cannot become Typhoid Mary. The Constitution doesn't give you the right to spread your illness to other people."
If "you have no constitutional right to endanger the public," then no one should be permitted to drive a car, because cars kill people every day. More people die in hospitals than anywhere else, so hospitals and doctors must be unconstitutional.

This is shear lunacy. There is nothing in the US Constitution which mandates a vaccine. Everything in life has risks. We do risk assessment with every decision we make.

Have you read this latest study?
Up to 60% of the population may have 'some degree' of preexisting immunity to COVID-19

At the root of this pandemic panic is the rejection of God our Creator. Once we have leaders who are no longer God-fearing, every supposed danger can be manipulated to grip society in fear. And why not? Since without God we are spinning uncontrollably thru space with no one or nothing to protect us.

50 years ago, I was taught that nuclear war, starvation famines, overpopulation, and the next Ice Age was looming in our near future. None of these have occurred, and most have been forgotten by now.
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"According to the activist Rev. William Barber, Trump’s push contradicts a fundamental tenet of the president’s Christian faith ― to love your neighbor as yourself."
This activist the Right Reverend Dr. William Barber II is a Left-wing Socialist Con job. Check him out. I would believe a word he said. His credibility is right up there with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and other hustlers.
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And the other half are legit because families have lost everything.
Not necessarily legit. Just human rather than bots. They have at least one reason to reopen the country but have nothing to say about any reason to not reopen the country. They only see economics. Their economics. They don't see the risk to their lives. Or give it little weight because they are willing to risk it.

And no reference to those who are ready to believe conspiracy theory bots because they take a position that seems right to them.

My Aunt found one doctor a month or so ago who said there was no reason to shut down the economy. Despite the many with more relevant experience and knowledge in the field of epidemiology who say otherwise, she latched onto that one. Why? Because it was the answer she wanted to hear.

I am not saying that it is entirely impossible that having no lockdown would have had no impact on things. But history shows otherwise. And there is no evidence that it will be as the "economy first" crowd wants. Just wishful thinking. I would rather learn from history than just buck it and take my chances.
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Not necessarily legit. Just human rather than bots. They have at least one reason to reopen the country but have nothing to say about any reason to not reopen the country. They only see economics. Their economics. They don't see the risk to their lives. Or give it little weight because they are willing to risk it.

And no reference to those who are ready to believe conspiracy theory bots because they take a position that seems right to them.

I am not saying that it is entirely impossible that having no lockdown would have had no impact on things. But history shows otherwise. And there is no evidence that it will be as the "economy first" crowd wants. Just wishful thinking. I would rather learn from history than just buck it and take my chances.
So . . . the shut down saved us from Covid-1984 . . . but
  • domestic abuse is off the charts
  • suicides and depression are rising
  • lives are being ruined, families destroyed
  • urgent elective surgeries canceled
  • cancer treatments postponed and cancer deaths rising
  • hospitals going bankrupt because only Covids cared for
  • businesses closing daily, never to return, jobs lost
  • prisoners released to the streets so the jails can house those who violate quarantine
  • China replacing us as the leader of the world
  • fill in the blanks folks ...
But OBW says you are too selfish, and you only care about your own economics, and your families' economics, and their education, and their well-being, and their health, and their future, etc.

Stay home and die. Stay home and starve. At first it was 2 weeks, then 2 months, now 2 years ??? Now you must wait for the vaccine!

Even though all the Politicians get paid, the school teachers, and all public sector employees get paid, you must STAY HOME. Be patriotic! Be a good Christian! Be a good citizen? Just stay home!

And one more thing about these supposed "conspiracy theorists" that supported Trump -- where was OBW the last 4 years who supported the media that Trump was a Russian agent? Talk about conspiracy theorist! Not a shred of evidence, but OBW believed every evil thing he heard about Trump. Talk about being void of Christian discernment! Would a real Christian believe all of those lies?

Sounds like perhaps God sent you an operation of error (2 Thess 2.10-12)
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Let's play a game. It's called shoot the messenger.
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Let's play a game. It's called shoot the messenger.
Just the facts sir!

Riddle me this Batman:

Is it a Pandemic or a DemPanic?
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