Interesting Quotations from Catholic History

Cal · 08-24-2008, 07:27 AM

Draw your own parallels and conclusions:

“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — Catholic National, July 1895.

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” — Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.

“We hold upon this earth the place of God almighty.” — Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894.

“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.” — St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”).

“Remember and understand well that where Peter is, there is the Church; that those who refuse to associate in communion with the Chair of Peter belong to Antichrist, not to Christ. He who would separate himself from the Roman Pontiff has no further bond with Christ.” — Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, quoted in “Acts of Leo XIII: Supreme Pontiff”, Rome: Vatican Press, 1896, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 4: “The Book of Christians”, Chapter 4: “There is No Allegiance to Christ Without Submission to the Pope”).

“The (Catholic) Church is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account we are bound to avoid them....Resist them in defense of the only true and life giving faith, which the Church has received from the Apostles and imparted to her sons.” — St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, (quoted in article “The Perennial Understanding of the Church”, by Saint Benedict Center).

“He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches.” — The American Textbook of Popery, p 164 (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitors”).

“Heretics (those who are not members of the Catholic Church or who do not hold to Catholic doctrine) worship a God who is a liar, and a Christ who is a liar.” — St. Augustine, (quoted in “Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graca”, by Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 42:207).

“The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out.” — Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142.

“When confronted with heresy, she (Catholic Church) does not content herself with persuasion, arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient, and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture.” — The Rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris, H.M.A. Baudrillart, quoted in The Catholic Church, The Renassance, and Protestantism,p 182-183.

“A heretic merits the pains of fire....By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned.” — The American Textbook of Popery, p 164 (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitors”).

“The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...” — Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility”, #30, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

“We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” — Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

“We confess that the Pope has power of changing Scripture and of adding to it, and taking from it, according to his will.” — Roman Catholic Confessions for Protestants Oath, Article XI, (Confessio Romano-Catholica in Hungaria Evangelicis publice praescripta te proposita, editi a Streitwolf), as recorded in Congressional Record of the U.S.A., House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913.

“It is absolutely necessary that the Christian community be subject in all things to the Sovereign Pontiff if it wishes to be a part of the divinely-established society founded by our Redeemer.” — Pope Pius XII, Orientalis Ecclesiae, quoted in “Acta Apostolicae Sedis”, 36:129, Rome: Vatican Press, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 4: “The Book of Christians”, Chapter 4: “There is No Allegiance to Christ Without Submission to the Pope”).

countmeworthy · 08-24-2008, 09:14 AM

WOW Igzy !

It is no surprise why people both in the RCC and the LC struggle leaving that system.

I was telling a friend of mine recently....--a person in the RCC will live totally carnal...rarely even going to Mass or church...but should a person start badmouthing the RCC to them...MANY will get all defensive: "HEY--HEY!!...don't talk like that about the CHRUCH!! God's going to punish you!"

Same thing happens to a LOT of people in the LC. The LC people in many, many places live 'carnally'. There's been a LOT of discussion on the LC sins exposed on this forum and the other one too.

But most people in the LC are brainwashed, as in the RCC that the LC under Witness Lee's ministry IS 'the ministry of this age', no matter HOW extremely BORED they are with the whole enchilada! The RCC has pounded into people's brains that it is the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH!'

WE KNOW the stronghold the LC & RCC has on people, otherwise former LCrs wouldn't be on forums like this one!

LORD!!! Have MERCY & set the CAPTIVES FREE!!! Thank You Jesus!

Paul Cox · 08-24-2008, 10:09 AM

So...how do we get to all the previous posts under this title of Spiritual Abuse? Or, maybe I just don't know which buttons to mash.

Roger

countmeworthy · 08-24-2008, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger

So...how do we get to all the previous posts under this title of Spiritual Abuse? Or, maybe I just don't know which buttons to mash.

Roger

Rogelio,( pronounced Ro-hel-e-o--Spanish for Roger...

)

There are 10 titles on this subject matter of Spiritual abuse..

The most popular one is the LCS factors..

Are you not able to see them? You might have to call the Mod Squad

for help!

Hope the problem gets resolved for you.

UntoHim · 08-24-2008, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger

So...how do we get to all the previous posts under this title of Spiritual Abuse? Or, maybe I just don't know which buttons to mash.
Roger

Go the the very top of any page....there you will see the overall order, by way of levels, in the following order: Forum (clicking this takes you to the main page containing all sub-forums which function as boards) The next level deeper, in this case, is Spiritual Abuse Titles (clicking this takes you to the sub-forum or board so named) The next level shown would be the very thread in which we are now posting, in this case, Interesting Quotations from Catholic History, which is simply a thread among many within the "Spiritual Abuse Titles" board.

Some confusion has arisen among some of us longtime BARM members. What we had on the BARM was actually a "sub-forum" or "board" within the larger Forum known as "The Public Square". Here we have an entire vBulletin forum to our little ole selves. This actually gives us much more flexibility to create, maintain and moderate the structure of the forum community.

What we knew as threads on the BARM we now know as boards (which in turn contain many threads within). If you are on the main page of the forum, and you look to the far right of any board, let's say Spiritual Abuse Titles for example, you will see a clickable link to the last post on that board. (this post could be in any one of the numerous threads within that board)

Ok, any questions...now I'm confused

Paul Cox · 08-24-2008, 12:51 PM

Thanks for helping a creaky old technophob

Roger

Ohio · 08-24-2008, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger

So...how do we get to all the previous posts under this title of Spiritual Abuse? Or, maybe I just don't know which buttons to mash.

Roger

This is a general question --- how does one insert a link of a another post into a reply to a thread???

Cal · 08-24-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

This is a general question --- how does one insert a link of a another post into a reply to a thread???

First, you have to get permission from the pope.

Just kidding.

In your browser, pull up the thread/post/page you want to link to.
Highlight the whole URL (the address) of the post that is in the field at top of your browser.
Right click the highlighted field and click "Copy."
Go to the new post you want place the link in.
Either: (Simple) Directly paste the link where you want it.
Or: (Advanced) Type something you want to be link text, such as "Click here." Highlight the text. Click the link icon on the editor toolbar (it's the icon that looks like the Earth with a chain link), this will pop up a window into which you should past the link address you copied in step 3. Click OK. You're done.
(Optional) One last thing I usually do is make the link text bright blue and underlined, that way it looks like a link.
Click "Preview Post" and test the link. If it works, click "Submit Reply." If not, fix it.

Cal · 08-25-2008, 06:19 AM

I just wanted to comment that the below quotation echos Nee's "submission is absolute" teaching (which our dear brother Paul Miletus is so fond of). It's pretty obvious where such a teaching can ultimately lead.

Quote:

“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.” — St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”).

08-24-2008, 07:27 AM	#1
Cal Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 4,330	Interesting Quotations from Catholic History Draw your own parallels and conclusions: “The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — Catholic National, July 1895. “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” — Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”. “We hold upon this earth the place of God almighty.” — Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894. “Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.” — St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope”). “Remember and understand well that where Peter is, there is the Church; that those who refuse to associate in communion with the Chair of Peter belong to Antichrist, not to Christ. He who would separate himself from the Roman Pontiff has no further bond with Christ.” — Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, quoted in “Acts of Leo XIII: Supreme Pontiff”, Rome: Vatican Press, 1896, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 4: “The Book of Christians”, Chapter 4: “There is No Allegiance to Christ Without Submission to the Pope”). “The (Catholic) Church is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account we are bound to avoid them....Resist them in defense of the only true and life giving faith, which the Church has received from the Apostles and imparted to her sons.” — St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, (quoted in article “The Perennial Understanding of the Church”, by Saint Benedict Center). “He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches.” — The American Textbook of Popery, p 164 (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitors”). “Heretics (those who are not members of the Catholic Church or who do not hold to Catholic doctrine) worship a God who is a liar, and a Christ who is a liar.” — St. Augustine, (quoted in “Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graca”, by Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 42:207). “The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames. In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church. There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out.” — Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142. “When confronted with heresy, she (Catholic Church) does not content herself with persuasion, arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient, and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture.” — The Rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris, H.M.A. Baudrillart, quoted in The Catholic Church, The Renassance, and Protestantism,p 182-183. “A heretic merits the pains of fire....By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned.” — The American Textbook of Popery, p 164 (quoting from the “Directory for the Inquisitors”). “The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth...” — Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility”, #30, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition. “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ.” — Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope). “We confess that the Pope has power of changing Scripture and of adding to it, and taking from it, according to his will.” — Roman Catholic Confessions for Protestants Oath, Article XI, (Confessio Romano-Catholica in Hungaria Evangelicis publice praescripta te proposita, editi a Streitwolf), as recorded in Congressional Record of the U.S.A., House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913. “It is absolutely necessary that the Christian community be subject in all things to the Sovereign Pontiff if it wishes to be a part of the divinely-established society founded by our Redeemer.” — Pope Pius XII, Orientalis Ecclesiae, quoted in “Acta Apostolicae Sedis”, 36:129, Rome: Vatican Press, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 4: “The Book of Christians”, Chapter 4: “There is No Allegiance to Christ Without Submission to the Pope”).

08-24-2008, 09:14 AM	#2
countmeworthy Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in Spirit & in Truth Posts: 1,363	WOW Igzy ! It is no surprise why people both in the RCC and the LC struggle leaving that system. I was telling a friend of mine recently....--a person in the RCC will live totally carnal...rarely even going to Mass or church...but should a person start badmouthing the RCC to them...MANY will get all defensive: "HEY--HEY!!...don't talk like that about the CHRUCH!! God's going to punish you!" Same thing happens to a LOT of people in the LC. The LC people in many, many places live 'carnally'. There's been a LOT of discussion on the LC sins exposed on this forum and the other one too. But most people in the LC are brainwashed, as in the RCC that the LC under Witness Lee's ministry IS 'the ministry of this age', no matter HOW extremely BORED they are with the whole enchilada! The RCC has pounded into people's brains that it is the 'ONE TRUE CHURCH!' WE KNOW the stronghold the LC & RCC has on people, otherwise former LCrs wouldn't be on forums like this one! LORD!!! *Have MERCY & set the CAPTIVES FREE!!! Thank You Jesus!* __________________ Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be *accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,* and to stand before the Son of man. (Luke 21:36)

08-24-2008, 10:09 AM	#3
Paul Cox Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 181	Where did all the posts go? So...how do we get to all the previous posts under this title of Spiritual Abuse? Or, maybe I just don't know which buttons to mash. Roger

08-24-2008, 12:51 PM	#6
Paul Cox Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 181	Thanks for helping a creaky old technophob Roger