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Old 03-01-2018, 01:45 PM   #1
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Default How to resist the pressure?

It's my first time posting here, so please bear with me...
I'm what's know as a "church kid" from Europe, a student who has in the past year begun questioning many of the LC practices and views. I stopped coming to meetings in September and keep in touch with very few of the "saints". Recently I've been getting calls and texts from concerned ones, inviting me over and asking how I'm doing, etc. And it's not even people I was close to, they just talk at me (not to me, it's not a conversation, its a monologue) about what they're enjoying and wether I'd like to come over...

Anyway, I don't want to talk to them about why I left, and, without being extremely rude, I really want them to leave me alone. Any tips/pointers will be very welcome.
Thanks.
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:58 PM   #2
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Be confident in what you feel to do. There is no need to be rude, but be firm.

The way these types of groups operate is they work on your insecurity. Check whether it seems they are truly concerned about YOU, or just whether you are to them just another number that needs to be in their collection.

If someone there really cared about you, he/she would be willing to spend time with you, ask what's going on in your life and just be a friend.

If someone gets with you and right away starts questioning why you aren't with them anymore, you can be sure that one of two things are true: (1) they have no idea how to shepherd, or (2) they don't really care about you as a person.
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Old 03-01-2018, 05:58 PM   #3
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Welcome intenebrislux. I think Igzy is right. Be confident in what you feel to do. There is no need to be rude, but be firm. Don't worry too much. I don't think the "concerned ones" would really persist long.

If someone there really cares about you, he/she should be more willing to listen to your concerns than simply tell you their answer. It seems to me quite a number of seasoned LC members have all the "answers" ready in their mind that they don't really listen carefully what the other's concerns are. So "fellowship" easily becomes the monologue you mentioned. They do the talking most of the time.

However, when you want them to leave you alone, please don't be alone yourself. Firstly, I am quite sure the Lord is with you. Secondly, I would suggest to seek fellowship with other Christians - whether from the LC or other churches.

I myself chose to stay in the LC and also have fellowship with some other Christian groups. I don't have to totally agree with others in the LC and neither do they. I voice out my concerns carefully from time to time hoping it may eventually reach the mind of some brothers and sisters. To me, oneness is not unformity. It is more about how Christ becomes the peace between members of the body.
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Old 03-02-2018, 06:20 AM   #4
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To me, oneness is not unformity. It is more about how Christ becomes the peace between members of the body.
I nominate this for quote of the day.
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Old 03-02-2018, 08:26 AM   #5
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...I'm what's know as a "church kid" from Europe, a student who has in the past year begun questioning many of the LC practices and views. I stopped coming to meetings in September and keep in touch with very few of the "saints". Recently I've been getting calls and texts from concerned ones, inviting me over and asking how I'm doing, etc. And it's not even people I was close to, they just talk at me (not to me, it's not a conversation, its a monologue) about what they're enjoying and wether I'd like to come over... Anyway, I don't want to talk to them about why I left, and, without being extremely rude, I really want them to leave me alone. Any tips/pointers will be very welcome. Thanks.
intenebrislux... Full disclosure... I currently meet with believers in the local church in Austin, Texas. I started meeting with with these believers around July of 2014, after being, what I believe to be, led there by the Lord as I was considering a matter regarding the New Jerusalem before Him. No member of the body who meets with these believers had contacted me, and before the Lord placed it in my heart to go to a meeting with these believers I had absolutely no thought/desire to do so.

What the Lord placed in my heart that day took me completely by surprise... So much so that I even questioned it the first time it came up in my being and the Lord had to impress it upon me more then once in order for me to say "Amen" to His leading me to go to the meeting.

Now, I had actually met with believers in the local church in Miami, FL, some nine years earlier... For just under three years ('03-05); but my wife and I stopped meeting because of some contention that took place between us and some other believers in the congregation (a husband and wife... nothing to do with the ministry, it was a personal matter), and I had enough contention in my life at that point and just didn't want to deal with any more... So I simply told my wife that I was going to stop going to the meetings, and she said she felt the same way.

And it was really kind of strange, as we lived right next door to the meeting hall, had a brother and his wife who lived next door to us, and even had a brother who lived with us for maybe a year.

This contention took place around the end of '05, and some eighteen months later, in July of '07, my wife and I moved to Austin. We moved to Austin because we were tired of Miami and the kind of life environment that it offered. And the funny thing is that Austin had never been on our shortlist of places to move to. We came and took a look at it based on the suggestion of a couple we met just a few weeks before, and only because we had gone to look at Dallas where my sister lives... We didn't like it, and then, being just a few hours away, drove down to Austin... And liked it.

We visited Austin once, just four weeks before moving here — everything just worked out for us to move even in that short space of time. And have been in Austin now for 10+ years... And our move had nothing to do with any thought of a church life of any kind... We simply moved because of our personal/natural need and thinking... Or so we thought.

But what does any of this have to do regarding the Lord telling me to go to the meeting, after not being in a meeting all those years, and me not even thinking about meeting with any group of believers?

Being obedient to the Lord's speaking in my being, I went to the meeting on the Sunday morning, but because of certain circumstances, I was late getting to it. When I arrived, the meeting was at the stage where a more senior member opens the prophesying part of the meeting with speaking from the Morning Revival, and as I pushed open the door and entered the meeting hall, this brother said, "...Joseph is a type of Christ..." (the Morning Revival was on Genesis and this particular week had some ministry on Joseph).

It had been eight/nine years since I had been in a meeting of the "Local Church" (or any church for that matter), and yet, as I walked into this meeting after so many years, I was greeted by my name — my first name is Joseph — with the affirmation that I am a type of Christ.

And no one in the meeting knew me, or knew I was coming to the meeting.

This was the Lord's doing. . . . And I say this with all confidence before the Lord.

Now why am I telling you this?

I'm saying this to you as the testimony of someone who has learned that the only way for a believer to take... Is to follow the Lord.

That's it... Nothing else is needed... Nothing else should replace us doing this... We belong to the Lord... We are His... And we are to follow only Him... Not our own natural-man thoughts/opinions/advice... And not the thoughts/opinions/advice of others... But only follow the Lord's leading within us.

This is what scripture tells us... And as born again eternally saved believers in Christ Jesus... This is what God has given Himself to us for... And therefore, what we have the grace/capacity to do.

intenebrislux... If you are a born again believer in Christ Jesus, then you have the Lord in you, one with you, and you one with the Lord. . . . And as such, you have the grace of God within you, and can choose to live by and express this grace of God in all that you are and do.

This reality is the very first matter that every believer needs to see, realize, and then enter into, if we are to properly serve the Lord according to His life within us... And what this reality looks like to other believers may not meet their personal view/opinion/preference of what things should look like... But you are the Lord's... You belong to the Lord... And above all else, He is who guides you into all truth.

Are you familiar with the story of Jonah, a prophet of God who didn't think that he should be sent to speak to the people of Nineveh so that they may be saved... Well here you have a prophet of God with a personal opinion of what God should or should do, of what God's mercy should or shouldn't look like.

Scripture tells us that Jonah was a prophet of God, and yet had thoughts — and actions — that expressed contradiction to what God dersired of him. And if a prophet of God can get it wrong... We all can get it wrong... Including those who are telephoning you... And even yourself.

intenebrislux... You belong to the Lord... Learn to follow only Him.

And in doing so, scripture tells us that you will find His peace... "...the peace of God, which surpasses every man's understanding,..." and "...will guard your [heart] and your thoughts in Christ Jesus."

And as you find His peace... And are abiding in His peace... You will be able to express His peace in all that you are... And all that you do... Including speaking to anyone who telephones you... About any matter.

intenebrislux... Everything that we go through in our daily life is for one thing and one thing only... Everything that we encounter is for our gaining of Christ in our being... For our growth in the life of God... For our being built up in God... Which is the reality of the building of the body of Christ by God.

And this building can take place in and through our experiences of suffering (which is unfortunately, because we are so stubborn, how it is more often than not), but can also take place in the peace and joy we can experience in the Lord.

And no, this is not an easy matter to see, realize, and enter into... It takes a lifetime to perfect in us... But we need to begin somewhere... And continue going on after we have begun... And these present circumatances you find yourself experiencing, which according to scripture, have been arranged by the Lord... Are for your going on in the Lord.

And as your brother in Christ, the best care that I can give you is to exhort you to go on with the Lord... By simply seeking the leading of the Lord... Moment by moment... Day by day... And in doing this... Trust the Lord to tell you how to speak with those who are calling you.

Even let the Lord be your speaking to them... And in this... You will be speaking life into them... Which will be to their own salvation.

Amen, Lord Jesus.

Here’s a little extra…

A few years after coming to live in Austin, I recalled that a good friend in Jamaica — an older American — had once said to me that he thought that I should go live in Austin, Texas… Because my "...eclectic..." way of thinking would fit right in with the way people in Austin think (the unofficial motto of the city is “Keep Austin Weird”).

I hadn’t thought of my friend in many years, and had completely forgotten our conversation that took place on the beach in Negril one day… Way back in 1993/4… Some twelve or so years before my wife and I made our decision to move to Austin.

The Lord’s hand is not short, intenebrislux… And who among us are perfectly clear regarding His way for us.

Just keep turning to Him in all things...

Matthew 6:33-34... "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you... Therefore do not be anxious for tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself; sufficient for the day is its own evil."
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:02 AM   #6
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However, when you want them to leave you alone, please don't be alone yourself. Firstly, I am quite sure the Lord is with you. Secondly, I would suggest to seek fellowship with other Christians - whether from the LC or other churches.
Excellent speaking.

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I myself chose to stay in the LC and also have fellowship with some other Christian groups.
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I don't have to totally agree with others in the LC and neither do they. I voice out my concerns carefully from time to time hoping it may eventually reach the mind of some brothers and sisters.
Again... As it should be... And yet... Perhaps there is no need to extend our thoughts into "...hoping it may eventually reach the mind of some brothers and sisters..." as in doing so we may open a door for our vanity... Better we just trust the Lord that we are speaking in Him, and even speaking Him, as life that others can choose to receive, or not receive, according to the measure of grace the Lord has given each of us to do so.

I was certainly one who spoke with the "...hope..." that others would listen. Now, I simply speak believing that what I speak is life to others, and that the Lord has already prepared whoever is hearing my speaking, to receive it as life... Beyond that, I don't want to have any further opinion about the matter... And no, not that I don't, but I now don't want to. Hopefully one day I won't.

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To me, oneness is not unformity. It is more about how Christ becomes the peace between members of the body.
Well... Peace between the members of the body is certainly an aspect of the outworking of Christ within the body of believers... But scripture tells us that this peace is an expression of what Paul speaks to in the following scripture verses...

Philippians 4:8-9... "Finally, brothers, what things are true, what things are dignified, what things are righteous, what things are pure, what things are lovely, what things are well spoken of, if there is any virtue and if any praise, take account of these things... The things which you have also learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things; and the God of peace will be with you."

See that...

"...what things are true, what things are dignified, what things are righteous, what things are pure, what things are lovely, what things are well spoken of, if there is any virtue and if any praise,..."

Paul tells us that we need to... "...take account of these things... The things which you have also learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things;..."

Then... And only then... According to Paul's speaking... "...the God of peace will be with you."

Therefore... The questions we each need to find answers for are... What things are true, what things are dignified, what things are righteous, what things are pure, what things are lovely, what things are well spoken of... Summed up as that which has virtue and is praise worthy.

And then... "...take account of these things... The things which you have also learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things;..."

So that... "...the God of peace will be with [us]."

Now... When we find the answers to these questions... Will there be some sort of uniformity to these answers realized across all the members of the Lord's body?

The reality of this is revealed by Paul in Ephesians chapter four.
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Old 03-03-2018, 02:48 PM   #7
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Thank you for the replies, I have many things to think over now .
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:15 PM   #8
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It's my first time posting here, so please bear with me...
I'm what's known as a "church kid" from Europe, a student who has in the past year begun questioning many of the LC practices and views. I stopped coming to meetings in September and keep in touch with very few of the "saints". Recently I've been getting calls and texts from concerned ones, inviting me over and asking how I'm doing, etc. And it's not even people I was close to, they just talk at me (not to me, it's not a conversation, its a monologue) about what they're enjoying and wether I'd like to come over...

Anyway, I don't want to talk to them about why I left, and, without being extremely rude, I really want them to leave me alone. Any tips/pointers will be very welcome.
Thanks.
I know you don't want to talk about it, but just rip the sticky plaster off and get it over with. Its not fun but it'll do the trick.

When I left last year I posted a big rant on Facebook saying why the local church has been such an unhealthy part of my life and why I no longer want anything to do with it. While at the time it stirred up a lot of conversations, like throwing a rock at a hornet's nest, it did a good job at getting the word out there that I was officially **out**. It mopped up most of the 'concerned ones' in one go and I only have a few stragglers every now and again. If you haven't already done that I definitely recommend it.

If anyone wants to read the FB post PM me and I'll send you the link.
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:11 PM   #9
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I know you don't want to talk about it, but just rip the sticky plaster off and get it over with. Its not fun but it'll do the trick.

When I left last year I posted a big rant on Facebook saying why the local church has been such an unhealthy part of my life and why I no longer want anything to do with it. While at the time it stirred up a lot of conversations, like throwing a rock at a hornet's nest, it did a good job at getting the word out there that I was officially **out**. It mopped up most of the 'concerned ones' in one go and I only have a few stragglers every now and again. If you haven't already done that I definitely recommend it.

If anyone wants to read the FB post PM me and I'll send you the link.
I want to read it! I think I need to do the same!!
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:50 PM   #10
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Just keep turning to Him in all things...
Steel,

Just have to say, great post. Great heart. If all of us continue to follow and obey the Lord first, everything will work out. I really believe that.

One thing to watch out for is hearing things like "the church is Christ to us" or Brother-so-and-so is the "Acting God."

Yes, in the purest sense the church is Christ. That means the whole Church. It does not mean that some subset of the Church can say it is more Christ or better Christ than any other part. The whole church is Christ to us, including the part that doesn't meet on the local ground.

As for Brother-so-and-so being the "Acting God." That's straight from the pit.

But good post. I appreciated it.
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I nominate this for quote of the day.
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