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Old 01-11-2018, 08:15 AM   #2501
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"We are going to take a strong look at our country's libel laws ... You can't say things that are false, knowingly false, and be able to smile as money pours into your bank account."
Said the world's most infamous liar who daily makes scandalous claims about people on Twitter with the intention of damaging their reputation. He thinks he is above the law so whatever laws he proposes won't apply to him.
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Said the world's most infamous liar who daily makes scandalous claims about people on Twitter with the intention of damaging their reputation. He thinks he is above the law so whatever laws he proposes won't apply to him.
Classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome on display.
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Yeah, a rich TV star with no experience in government would be a train wreck.
A train wreck???

The Hollowwood Elites and the Media are all slurping up the Oprah love.

Not you?
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Actually, Trump had a mental lapse in the meeting and practically gave away the farm. During the meeting on Tuesday, Trump was asked by Dianne Feinstein if he would support "a clean DACA bill." by which she meant without strings attached to Trump's wall. Trump replied "Yeah, I would like to do it." So he and his minions had to go back and correct what he said after the meeting. Some negotiator .
Smooth and deceitful Feinstein tried to use senate-double-speak to distort the negotiations.

Congratulations you found a dead nit.
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A train wreck???

The Hollowwood Elites and the Media are all slurping up the Oprah love.

Not you?
Well I guess O as president isn't any crazier than I've seen so far. But NOprah
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Well I guess O as president isn't any crazier than I've seen so far. But NOprah
No it won't be crazy, it will be a lovefest. (Not a lovefeast.)

She will be Queen of the free world! Her Highness!
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Actually, Trump had a mental lapse in the meeting and practically gave away the farm. During the meeting on Tuesday, Trump was asked by Dianne Feinstein if he would support "a clean DACA bill." by which she meant without strings attached to Trump's wall. Trump replied "Yeah, I would like to do it." So he and his minions had to go back and correct what he said after the meeting. Some negotiator .
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Smooth and deceitful Feinstein tried to use senate-double-speak to distort the negotiations.

Congratulations you found a dead nit.
The wall is the product of a pathological fetish of a "stable genius." It's nothing but a foolish want of a foolish man, that doesn't have a clue of what he's doing.

But now, at least, that "big beautiful wall" turns out not to be 2000 miles long. Why? Because there's natural barriers that don't need a wall, Trump says.

The wall will stop nothing and nobody, but will cost us billions, that, could be used to provide universal health care.

The wall? That's worthy of one of my Bahahahaha's. But out of respect for bro zeek I won't do it.
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The wall is the product of a pathological fetish of a "stable genius." It's nothing but a foolish want of a foolish man, that doesn't have a clue of what he's doing.

But now, at least, that "big beautiful wall" turns out not to be 2000 miles long. Why? Because there's natural barriers that don't need a wall, Trump says.

The wall will stop nothing and nobody, but will cost us billions, that, could be used to provide universal health care.

The wall? That's worthy of one of my Bahahahaha's. But out of respect for bro zeek I won't do it.
I'll do it for you ... Trump's wall that the Mexicans are going to pay for bahahaha.
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I'll do it for you ... Trump's wall that the Mexicans are going to pay for bahahaha.
With the demise of that rotten NAFTA agreement, and trade imbalances with Mexico being corrected, I do believe that Mexico will pay for that wall many times over.

Since DACA is about to expire in a couple months, and the Dems loving illegals more than our own citizens, that border wall may just get built. Ask Americans, they want the wall!

No border, no language, no culture ... no country!
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Yeah, a rich TV star with no experience in government would be a train wreck.
She has a great campaign slogan:

"You get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car..."
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The wall is the product of a pathological fetish of a "stable genius." It's nothing but a foolish want of a foolish man, that doesn't have a clue of what he's doing.

But now, at least, that "big beautiful wall" turns out not to be 2000 miles long. Why? Because there's natural barriers that don't need a wall, Trump says.

The wall will stop nothing and nobody, but will cost us billions, that, could be used to provide universal health care.
Yobama borrowed a Trillion a year, and it was not enough for universal health care???

You want decent health care??? You need to leave the country and then come back in as an immigrant. I'm serious, your beloved Obama has penalized you and I for our (lack of) skin color.

I know a Chinese lady, a recent US citizen, who has always had free health care, without any deductibles. It's unbelievable.

This is why the working class voted for Trump!
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She has a great campaign slogan:

"You get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car..."
Please give a nice one to brother awareness. Yeah!
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With the demise of that rotten NAFTA agreement, and trade imbalances with Mexico being corrected, I do believe that Mexico will pay for that wall many times over.

Since DACA is about to expire in a couple months, and the Dems loving illegals more than our own citizens, that border wall may just get built. Ask Americans, they want the wall!

No border, no language, no culture ... no country!
Yes, there are more ways to pay for it than just fork over the cash.

Also I think the whole pretense that it is a boondoggle is absurd. If you extend the wall 10 miles on either side of the major cities you could force illegals to walk for 4 or 5 hours before getting to a road. They could easily be spotted with infrared at night or regular light during day using drones and then cops could be alerted that wait for them.

As for tunnels you can easily detect them using local seismographs. Since it probably takes weeks to build a tunnel it would be a simple matter to identify the location, put it under surveillance and arrest the entire ring.

Using Drones, seismographs and strategic extensions to the wall it could be done efficiently and effectively.
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Yes, there are more ways to pay for it than just fork over the cash.

Also I think the whole pretense that it is a boondoggle is absurd. If you extend the wall 10 miles on either side of the major cities you could force illegals to walk for 4 or 5 hours before getting to a road. They could easily be spotted with infrared at night or regular light during day using drones and then cops could be alerted that wait for them.

As for tunnels you can easily detect them using local seismographs. Since it probably takes weeks to build a tunnel it would be a simple matter to identify the location, put it under surveillance and arrest the entire ring.

Using Drones, seismographs and strategic extensions to the wall it could be done efficiently and effectively.
The complaint that the "wall won't stop everyone" is completely bogus.

That's like saying a deadbolt and security system can't stop every thief.

The point of security is to make it so difficult that the thief goes elsewhere.

"Good walls make good neighbors."
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She has a great campaign slogan:

"You get a car, and you get a car, and you get a car..."
Seal got it right: "Oh I forgot, that's right.....you'd heard the rumours but you had no idea he was actually serially assaulting young stary-eyed actresses who in turn had no idea what they were getting into. My bad."

https://screenshots.firefox.com/Y8Vf....instagram.com

These pics are far more incriminating of this reality TV star, than the words of the last one.
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"Good walls make good neighbors."
Do we really want to wall off Mexico? Seems to me we would want to be closer to them ... maybe make them our 51st state.

What's next? Wall off Canada?

The wall is asinine.
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Yobama borrowed a Trillion a year, and it was not enough for universal health care???
Is this fake news? If not, back it up.
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Is this fake news? If not, back it up.
The debt went up $5 Trillion under that "evil' Bush who started all those wars.

The debt went up $10 Trillion under Obama, who saved us all that defense spending.
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Do we really want to wall off Mexico? Seems to me we would want to be closer to them ... maybe make them our 51st state.

What's next? Wall off Canada?

The wall is asinine.
You got walls and a locked door on your house?

Sounds a little asinine don't it?

Don't you want to be closer to your "neighbors?"
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You got walls and a locked door on your house?

Sounds a little asinine don't it?

Don't you want to be closer to your "neighbors?"
Really? I didn't take Awareness for someone who would put walls around his house. I figured he'd want to be closer to his neighbors.
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Really? I didn't take Awareness for someone who would put walls around his house. I figured he'd want to be closer to his neighbors.
Even if family is next door, you still need walls and a door. With a lock.

Imagine if, like me, you lived in CrazyTown, USA.

I need a fence too.
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President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.

Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday.
Trump is a racist and White Supremacist. Apparently his dementia has reached the point where he is unable to keep overt expression of his racial hatred in check.
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Trump is a racist and White Supremacist. Apparently his dementia has reached the point where he is unable to keep overt expression of his racial hatred in check.
What else would you call MS-13 gang members?
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You got walls and a locked door on your house?

Sounds a little asinine don't it?

Don't you want to be closer to your "neighbors?"
Cute, but silly. The walls of my house are for shelter from the elements, not to wall people out. And I have no walls around my property : (sadly ... I've got my ex-wife up the road, and her redneck Kentucky homegrown backwoods hillbilly boyfriend has been known to go out in the backwoods behind my house shooting off his guns - for show of threat. I shoot back ... just to let him know, and to hopefully keep any possibility of serious confrontation at bay.)

It dawns on me, walls are handy for wars, and of prevention/fear of them. I've noticed that republicans have a fancy for wars ... even lying us into them. Are we declaring war on Mexico?

And unless I'm going out of town, I don't lock my doors. Nor even, ever take the key out of my pickup.

My neighbors are welcome. I do unsolicited favors for them. I even welcome the JW's. I haven't even walled them off.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Walls can be very good at times, and necessary.

Just not for Mexico. I haven't met a Mexican I haven't liked ; those Catholics are good people. You know that bro Ohio.
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Cute, but silly. The walls of my house are for shelter from the elements, not to wall people out. And I have no walls around my property : (sadly ... I've got my ex-wife up the road, and her redneck Kentucky homegrown backwoods hillbilly boyfriend has been known to go out in the backwoods behind my house shooting off his guns - for show of threat. I shoot back ... just to let him know, and to hopefully keep any possibility of serious confrontation at bay.)

It dawns on me, walls are handy for wars, and of prevention/fear of them. I've noticed that republicans have a fancy for wars ... even lying us into them. Are we declaring war on Mexico?

And unless I'm going out of town, I don't lock my doors. Nor even, ever take the key out of my pickup.

My neighbors are welcome. I do unsolicited favors for them. I even welcome the JW's. I haven't even walled them off.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Walls can be very good at times, and necessary.

Just not for Mexico. I haven't met a Mexican I haven't liked ; those Catholics are good people. You know that bro Ohio.
Oh, that's funny!

You don't need locks on your doors.

You got a double barrel shotgun instead.

And the whole neighborhood knows.

Couple shots a night to remind them.

ZNP, would that plan work in your neck of the woods?
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Even if family is next door, you still need walls and a door. With a lock.

Imagine if, like me, you lived in CrazyTown, USA.

I need a fence too.
Sounds like you need the whole armor of God.
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Oh, that's funny!

You don't need locks on your doors.

You got a double barrel shotgun instead.

And the whole neighborhood knows.

Couple shots a night to remind them.

ZNP, would that plan work in your neck of the woods?
The best security system is a dog. I have had one four over my time here in Queens. All of them are 50 lbs or more. If you have a dog you are required by law to have a 6 foot fence surrounding your home. However, I had one dog that was incredibly athletic. This dog could leap, put a paw or two into the fence and be over it in less than ten seconds. She infuriated me.
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The best security system is a dog. I have had one four over my time here in Queens. All of them are 50 lbs or more. If you have a dog you are required by law to have a 6 foot fence surrounding your home. However, I had one dog that was incredibly athletic. This dog could leap, put a paw or two into the fence and be over it in less than ten seconds. She infuriated me.
Never heard of such a fence law for dogs, but my wife wants a fence to also keep out the deer.

Our new puppy scares no one. She gets so excited when visitors stop over, that she jumps up and "leaks" on their feet. So funny.
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Sounds like you need the whole armor of God.
People who lack faith need guns and walls.
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Oh, that's funny!

You don't need locks on your doors.

You got a double barrel shotgun instead.

And the whole neighborhood knows.

Couple shots a night to remind them.
Nah, every once in awhile I'll put one in the air in the middle of the night, to shut the dogs up that bark all night. It works just long enough to get back to sleep.

And I haven't shot and killed anybody, so far. Tho I certainly have dreamed about it ; mostly back when my friend and wife betrayed me. I'm over that now.

But get this : I've got a crazy hillbilly up the road, that has threaten to "take me out" a half dozen times, and I still don't have a wall.

Reagan, "Tear down this wall!". Trump, "Build this wall."
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Nah, every once in awhile I'll put one in the air in the middle of the night, to shut the dogs up that bark all night. It works just long enough to get back to sleep.

And I haven't shot and killed anybody, so far. Tho I certainly have dreamed about it ; mostly back when my friend and wife betrayed me. I'm over that now.

But get this : I've got a crazy hillbilly up the road, that has threaten to "take me out" a half dozen times, and I still don't have a wall.

Reagan, "Tear down this wall!". Trump, "Build this wall."
Bad comparison. Did you just get that off of CNN?

German wall was inside one country built by a foreign country.

Trump's wall protects his borders from criminal crossings.

But you knew that. And please don't shoot the dogs.
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King David had no faith in God?
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Jesus is the model of faith for Christians. Accept no substitute.
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This is a democracy, if 50% lack faith then they have the right to request a wall.
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This is a democracy, if 50% lack faith then they have the right to request a wall.
Greater than 50% of the Electorate voted against Trump and his wall. According to a Fox news poll only 30% of Americans want Trump's wall.
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Greater than 50% of the Electorate voted against Trump and his wall. According to a Fox news poll only 30% of Americans want Trump's wall.
And every single poll convinced us that Hilary would win.

Polls are like politicians. They always lie with their statistics.
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And every single poll convinced us that Hilary would win.

Polls are like politicians. They always lie with their statistics.
The national polls weren't that far off — they predicted more people would vote for Clinton. That's what happened.

The election was so close that in pre-election polling only two States, Ohio and Wisconsin, were outside the margin of error. If you looked at the data instead of the hype, you knew that the election was too close to call.

Aren't you an engineer? You should get this stuff.
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Greater than 50% of the Electorate voted against Trump and his wall. According to a Fox news poll only 30% of Americans want Trump's wall.
Good point, we aren't a democracy, we're a republic. It's all about the electoral college. These last comments from Trump are despicable as president of the US. I just cannot imagine the electorate not being energized over this.

Still, I blame the Democratic Party for his election due to their treatment of Bernie.
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The national polls weren't that far off — they predicted more people would vote for Clinton. That's what happened.
You're a smart guy. Ever hear about electoral college? That's how we elect Presidents. To claim that Hilary got more votes is like claiming that the losing football team won the game because they got more yards. If yardage wins the game, then the game is radically different. For example, no team would ever punt.

Likewise, with the electoral college system, many conservatives in Blue states like NY, OR, WA, CA, VT, CT, NJ, etc. just don't vote for President. Why should they, because their vote is insignificant.
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Good point, we aren't a democracy, we're a republic. It's all about the electoral college. These last comments from Trump are despicable as president of the US. I just cannot imagine the electorate not being energized over this.

Still, I blame the Democratic Party for his election due to their treatment of Bernie.
All Presidents swear. Are you so naive? LBJ was famous for chewing out those who opposed.

America is so bored to death with this liberal fake outrage on the mainstream media. OMG Trump drinks 12 cokes a day. He must be a racist!

The Dems just screwed the Dreamers. The deal is off the table. Durbin chose their smear tactics over real people. So much for the "compassionate" progressives. They just got exposed like Hollywood.
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All Presidents swear. Are you so naive? LBJ was famous for chewing out those who opposed.

America is so bored to death with this liberal fake outrage on the mainstream media. OMG Trump drinks 12 cokes a day. He must be a racist!

The Dems just screwed the Dreamers. The deal is off the table. Durbin chose their smear tactics over real people. So much for the "compassionate" progressives. They just got exposed like Hollywood.
I am well aware of the language used by LBJ and Nixon. That is not my point.

My point is that the President of the US represents all of the people who are citizens. These comments of his were insulting to many American citizens.

The President also represents America to the rest of the world. What he said here is a shameful representation to the rest of the world.

As for "America being outraged" it may be that Trump was able to win by the slimmest of margins, but you should remember that this margin included many people who I expect have since reconsidered their decision to vote for him. We'll know for sure in a few months.
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I am well aware of the language used by LBJ and Nixon. That is not my point.

My point is that the President of the US represents all of the people who are citizens. These comments of his were insulting to many American citizens.

The President also represents America to the rest of the world. What he said here is a shameful representation to the rest of the world.

As for "America being outraged" it may be that Trump was able to win by the slimmest of margins, but you should remember that this margin included many people who I expect have since reconsidered their decision to vote for him. We'll know for sure in a few months.
He didn't insult any US citizens. Trump was in a closed door meeting trying to solve immigration problems. It was Dick Durbin who went public with this nonsense to score points with his base. The media has been smearing Trump to the rest the world for two years, just like they did Reagan and Bush.

Why is it that Pelosi can make comments about "5 white guys" and the media says nothing? She's not racist, and Trump is???

I have long been convinced that most Dems care nothing for minorities or immigrants. They simply use them as pawns to advance their agenda. They care nothing about the Dreamers, and never intended to pass laws. They actually want Trump to enforce our laws in March, exporting immigrants. These Dems are hypocrites. Go back and listen to what they said 10 years ago.

Congressman Smith (TX) said the same thing: "If the Democrats don’t want to negotiate, they’ll always come up with some excuse, and maybe this is an indication that they were never serious to begin with, but they’ll always come up with some reason not to negotiation, or make an excuse not to make concessions. This is just another distraction, another excuse for the Democrats to do that. I think when things settle down over the next several days we’ll find out whether the Democrats were really serious and want to have an immigration bill, want to try to something for some of the so-called DACA folks. We’ll know that in the next few days. It’ll be an indication of whether they’re negotiating in good faith whether they come back to the table."
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All Presidents swear. Are you so naive? LBJ was famous for chewing out those who opposed.
But you'd be singing a different tune if Obama had said it. As you would if Obama went around daily bragging about himself, and inflating his crowds, so forth and so on.

It's not the expletive per say. It's the racist implications. Haitians are black, Norwegians are white.

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America is so bored to death with this liberal fake outrage on the mainstream media.
Not your omniscience again. Not fair. We don't have that. We're clearly at a disadvantage.. Either that or you're parroting Hannity.

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OMG Trump drinks 12 cokes a day. He must be a racist!
Don't make me Bahahaha, it'll upset bro zeek. 12 cokes equal racism. Bah ......

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The Dems just screwed the Dreamers. The deal is off the table. Durbin chose their smear tactics over real people. So much for the "compassionate" progressives. They just got exposed like Hollywood.
And Trump called it a "bill of love" too. He can't be a racist. He loves those brown people. So much that he'll give up his wall for them. Stupid dem's.
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But you'd be singing a different tune if Obama had said it. As you would if Obama went around daily bragging about himself, and inflating his crowds, so forth and so on.
That's not true. Said it a thousand times. Don't care what politicians say. Only care what they do.

Obama was a teleprompter orator protected by the Press. His gaffes rarely surfaced. The media hushed them all.

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It's not the expletive per say. It's the racist implications. Haitians are black, Norwegians are white.
Norwegians are "white" because they refused to join the EU. Sweden is no longer "white."

Haiti is a S******e because of their corrupt leaders installed by the Clintons, ask any of their people.

Remember: Trump is a "racist" because his parents came from Europe.

Unfortunately, you and I are "racists" too. We were born than way. Doesn't matter what we say or do.
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I have long been convinced that most Dems care nothing for minorities or immigrants. They simply use them as pawns to advance their agenda. They care nothing about the Dreamers, and never intended to pass laws. They actually want Trump to enforce our laws in March, exporting immigrants. These Dems are hypocrites. Go back and listen to what they said 10 years ago.
This has nothing to do with democrats. A high school teacher should be able to quote the president without getting fired. There are many teachers and administrators who have been fired for saying much less than what the President said. That is despicable.
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This has nothing to do with democrats. A high school teacher should be able to quote the president without getting fired. There are many teachers and administrators who have been fired for saying much less than what the President said. That is despicable.
Don't blame Trump for rules at school.

Teachers work with juveniles, and I suppose Trump does too.
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Compare Trump's question:
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“Why are we having all these people from ****hole countries come here?
with Nathanael's:

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Jesus came from a place that was considered a ****hole. Should Jesus be rejected because of that? No, and neither should the immigrant or refugee.

Jesus asks us to welcome the stranger.

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Matthew 25:35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
Even the Old Testament asks us to care for the stranger.

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This is a pointed message to us in America, a nation of immigrants.
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Jesus came from a place that was considered a ****hole. Should Jesus be rejected because of that? No, and neither should the immigrant or refugee.

Jesus asks us to welcome the stranger.

Even the Old Testament asks us to care for the stranger.

This is a pointed message to us in America, a nation of immigrants.
Contrary to liberal opinions, America is NOT a nation if immigrants, it is a nation of law-abiding citizens.

Nazareth was never considered a ****hole. Backwards, uneducated, and unlettered, yes. Perhaps the Samaritans were considered a ****hole.

Concerning the Old Testament Israel, Exodus 12:48 says, "But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it." Since you like to apply the scriptures to the USA, perhaps this is a good one to vet the immigrants with -- let them all be circumcised!

But seriously zeek, why don't you be honest here and admit that Trump was never against immigrants, only illegals.
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Democrats are once again calling President Donald Trump “racist” over an alleged remark attributed to him during immigration talks, yet they continue to wholeheartedly embrace an organization that aborts predominantly black and Hispanic babies.

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Planned Parenthood was born in eugenic racism and elitism, and Margaret Sanger was the mother who gave birth to the world’s largest abortion chain,” Ryan Bomberger, chief creative officer of The Radiance Foundation, told Breitbart News last year. “In the city where Planned Parenthood began, more black babies are aborted than born alive according to the New York Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. This is not the result of justice. It’s the result of animus.”
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That's not true. Said it a thousand times. Don't care what politicians say. Only care what they do.
I get that bro Ohio, and I can't blame you. Most of what politicians say is just flapdoodle ... or con's. But sometimes saying something is doing something ... like Trump's tweets. And saying itholes of the sh kind was doing something. Trump was defining his immigration policy.

He didn't want blacks coming from itholes of the sh kind. He wants whites to immigrate to America. But why would Norwegians want to come to this ithole of the sh kind? A country where they're more likely to get shot, where there is no universal heathcare, like they have, plus free education to the highest levels, and paid parental leave, subsidized daycare, and more women in political power.

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Obama was a teleprompter orator protected by the Press. His gaffes rarely surfaced. The media hushed them all.
Why are conservatives so prone to conspiracy theories?

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Norwegians are "white" because they refused to join the EU. Sweden is no longer "white."
What? Did they swap with Haiti? And Haiti is white now?

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Haiti is a S******e because of their corrupt leaders installed by the Clintons, ask any of their people.
Norwegians are saying these things. Fox news is. I call fake news. I'm surprised you didn't claim that they made a pact with the devil.

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Remember: Trump is a "racist" because his parents came from Europe.

Unfortunately, you and I are "racists" too. We were born than way. Doesn't matter what we say or do.
Well I most certainly was raise by my father to be an outspoken virulent racist. You would have loved him. He would have hated president Blackenstein too.
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Balderdash. Fake news :

Abortion Correlation
Abortion rates have risen and fallen throughout presidencies of both parties, making drawing a direct correlation between the two untenable.

In 1969, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began collecting nationwide data on the numbers of abortions, the abortion ratio (abortions versus live births), and the abortion rate (abortions versus the US population of women aged 15-44 years old).

While these data are not perfect due to inconsistent (and sometimes non-existent) reporting from different states, they can be used to analyze relative changes in abortion rates during the presidencies of different presidential parties, as we will do here using numbers from the CDC’s annual abortion surveillance study. Red portions of the lines show the ratio and rates of abortions occurring under Republican administrations, and blue under Democratic administrations:


See the chart here :
https://www.snopes.com/abortion-rates-presidencies/
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Contrary to liberal opinions, America is NOT a nation if immigrants, it is a nation of law-abiding citizens.

Nazareth was never considered a ****hole. Backwards, uneducated, and unlettered, yes. Perhaps the Samaritans were considered a ****hole.

Concerning the Old Testament Israel, Exodus 12:48 says, "But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it." Since you like to apply the scriptures to the USA, perhaps this is a good one to vet the immigrants with -- let them all be circumcised!

But seriously zeek, why don't you be honest here and admit that Trump was never against immigrants, only illegals.
Trump could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and you'd support him. He satisfies your need for a cult leader now that you've left the local church. You're as faithful as a family dog when it comes to following powerful men. Or, so it seems from what you post here. You'd make a good hatchet man like Steve Miller. You should apply for a job with Trump. You can cite me as a reference.
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Trump could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and you'd support him. He satisfies your need for a cult leader now that you've left the local church. You're as faithful as a family dog when it comes to following powerful men. Or, so it seems from what you post here. You'd make a good hatchet man like Steve Miller. You should apply for a job with Trump. You can cite me as a reference.
Bunch of nonsense. Too bad a little common sense cannot infiltrate your hateful progressive mindset.
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Balderdash. Fake news :

Abortion Correlation
Abortion rates have risen and fallen throughout presidencies of both parties, making drawing a direct correlation between the two untenable.

In 1969, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began collecting nationwide data on the numbers of abortions, the abortion ratio (abortions versus live births), and the abortion rate (abortions versus the US population of women aged 15-44 years old).

While these data are not perfect due to inconsistent (and sometimes non-existent) reporting from different states, they can be used to analyze relative changes in abortion rates during the presidencies of different presidential parties, as we will do here using numbers from the CDC’s annual abortion surveillance study. Red portions of the lines show the ratio and rates of abortions occurring under Republican administrations, and blue under Democratic administrations:


See the chart here :
https://www.snopes.com/abortion-rates-presidencies/
You never addressed the point.

Sure abortion rates have declined, but they are still vastly disproportionate for minorities.

Do you dispute that?

Do you dispute that the founder of the largest abortion provider today was a racist who's goal was to limit minorities thru abortion?
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I get that bro Ohio, and I can't blame you. Most of what politicians say is just flapdoodle ... or con's. But sometimes saying something is doing something ... like Trump's tweets. And saying itholes of the sh kind was doing something. Trump was defining his immigration policy.

He didn't want blacks coming from itholes of the sh kind. He wants whites to immigrate to America. But why would Norwegians want to come to this ithole of the sh kind? A country where they're more likely to get shot, where there is no universal heathcare, like they have, plus free education to the highest levels, and paid parental leave, subsidized daycare, and more women in political power.


Why are conservatives so prone to conspiracy theories?


What? Did they swap with Haiti? And Haiti is white now?

Norwegians are saying these things. Fox news is. I call fake news. I'm surprised you didn't claim that they made a pact with the devil.


Well I most certainly was raise by my father to be an outspoken virulent racist. You would have loved him. He would have hated president Blackenstein too.
Obama called Libya an itshow of the sh kind.

Haven't heard that?

Obama was far more racist that Trump.

Plus he hated Christians and Jews.
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You never addressed the point.

Sure abortion rates have declined, but they are still vastly disproportionate for minorities.

Do you dispute that?

Do you dispute that the founder of the largest abortion provider today was a racist who's goal was to limit minorities thru abortion?
What I dispute is that the demmies are to blame. If I remember correctly it was the Supreme Court that ruled for Roe v. Wade.
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Obama called Libya an itshow of the sh kind.

Haven't heard that?

Obama was far more racist that Trump.

Plus he hated Christians and Jews.
Does your omniscience kick in automatically?
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I have been trying to follow all of these posts and I think I have got it.

Ohio - doesn't like the Obama administration's legacy and does like Trump.

Awareness -- doesn't like what he sees with Trump, but didn't see anything not to like about Obama.

Does that sum it up?
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What I dispute is that the demmies are to blame. If I remember correctly it was the Supreme Court that ruled for Roe v. Wade.
Then I could agree that no Democrat-appointed SCOTUS justice has ever performed an actual abortion.

Thus, they bear no responsibility for the slaughter of millions, with minorities always profiled.

Is that the kind of dispute you are forwarding?

Is it not a little patronizing to call me "omniscient?" What gives?
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I have been trying to follow all of these posts and I think I have got it.

Ohio - doesn't like the Obama administration's legacy and does like Trump.

Awareness -- doesn't like what he sees with Trump, but didn't see anything not to like about Obama.

Does that sum it up?
What bothers me the most is how the media and FBI/DOJ enabled the Obama administration to escape accountability for criminal actions: Using IRS to target Tea Party, Hilary private server, Uranium One, Steele Dossier, etc.
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Is it not a little patronizing to call me "omniscient?" What gives?
Sorry if it seems that way, but you display an uncanny ability to see into the minds of others, out here, and into those of liberals, like Obama.
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Sorry if it seems that way, but you display an uncanny ability to see into the minds of others, out here, and into those of liberals, like Obama.
You and the liberal media judged Trump as a racist based on reading his mind.

I can't read minds like you can.
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I happened to catch MSNBC the other morning and this is prolly the most "damning" video on Trump and Bannon I have seen.

Well worth your watch.
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You and the liberal media judged Trump as a racist based on reading his mind.

I can't read minds like you can.
Whether he is a racist or not, it has the appearance of evil. This is why if a teacher spoke these words they would be fired.

I have very close family relations from Norway. Yet I cannot see how the thought that we need to have more immigrants from Norway instead of from Haiti and Africa can be viewed as anything but racist. I don't know his heart, only God does, but the appearance of racism is undeniable.
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Whether he is a racist or not, it has the appearance of evil. This is why if a teacher spoke these words they would be fired.

I have very close family relations from Norway. Yet I cannot see how the thought that we need to have more immigrants from Norway instead of from Haiti and Africa can be viewed as anything but racist. I don't know his heart, only God does, but the appearance of racism is undeniable.
Undeniable only to those who already hate Trump.

A racist person sees only racism. That is why white people are all condemned by liberals as "privileged and racist." You too!

A business man sees only worker productivity. He looks at work ethic, character, training, upbringing, etc.

A politician has to look at citizen safety.

School officials must protect minor children.
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I can't read minds like you can.
Then stop acting like it. OMG, why would I ever want to read Trump's mind? I'm not like the suckers that paid for his Trump University. I'm surprised you didn't. You could have become as successful as him.

I've never liked the narcissist that had to splash his name in large letters on buildings, and I watched his show just once. Not because I could read his mind, but because I couldn't take that he flashed his ego out on full display, and acted like the consummate big shot.

You seem to be able to read Obama's mind, why don't you do the same to Trump? Maybe you'd learn what you eventually learned about Witness Lee. Then maybe it wouldn't take you as long.

Really bro Ohio. I've heard of party first, but how can you fall for a personality cult leader? Maybe since you can't admit that he LC is a cult, you're still susceptible to it. So again you're headed for a great disappointment. But this is no Witness Lee, or Roy Moore. This is the guy that has The Biggest Button. Do I need to read his mind about that, or just his tweets?
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Then stop acting like it. OMG, why would I ever want to read Trump's mind? I'm not like the suckers that paid for his Trump University. I'm surprised you didn't. You could have become as successful as him.

I've never liked the narcissist that had to splash his name in large letters on buildings, and I watched his show just once. Not because I could read his mind, but because I couldn't take that he flashed his ego out on full display, and acted like the consummate big shot.

You seem to be able to read Obama's mind, why don't you do the same to Trump? Maybe you'd learn what you eventually learned about Witness Lee. Then maybe it wouldn't take you as long.

Really bro Ohio. I've heard of party first, but how can you fall for a personality cult leader? Maybe since you can't admit that he LC is a cult, you're still susceptible to it. So again you're headed for a great disappointment. But this is no Witness Lee, or Roy Moore. This is the guy that has The Biggest Button. Do I need to read his mind about that, or just his tweets?
Wow!

You having a bad day? Try to stay warm!
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Wow!

You having a bad day? Try to stay warm!
There you go, reading my mind again. But this time you're spot on.

I'm not having problems staying warm. I keep the stove hot. In fact I'm thinking of opening a door. It's hot in here.

Actually, and this is where your omniscience comes in, I've been having bad days for over a week now. My septic is clogged. This is not the time of year to dig my septic tank up. I've been going in honey bucks. Which is puzzling. I've looked. For the life of me I can't find any honey in there. Just it of the sh kind.

Even tho I'm white Trump wouldn't like me. I'm living in a ithole, of the sh kind.
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Even tho I'm white Trump wouldn't like me. I'm living in a ithole, of the sh kind.
Gives new meaning to the term "oval office".
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...-division.html
This morning, Fox News marked the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday by publishing the article I linked above with the headline "Please stop politicizing Martin Luther King Day. It's a day for national unity, not political division."


Fox is deliberately revising what this day means -- and distorting what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought for and actually believed. He knew that his life and the work of racial and economic justice were antithetical to a cheap, easy comfortable status quo.

With a GOP aministration in the White House, working with Fox News to reinforce white supremacy and attack Black protest, it's worth remembering exactly what Dr. King actually said about racial justice, economic justice, and politics. Here are a few key ideas Dr. King stated or wrote during his life:

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Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." -- Letter from Birmingham Jail, April 1963
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The majority of white Americans consider themselves sincerely committed to justice for the Negro. They believe that American society is essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth toward a middle-class Utopia embodying racial harmony. But unfortunately this is a fantasy of self-deception and comfortable vanity...


Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn.

The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash." -- "Where do we go from here?" August 1967
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From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles over racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade.

Indeed, even today we have not permitted ourselves to reject or feel remorse for this shameful episode. Our literature, our films, our drama, our folklore all exalt it. Our children are still taught to respect the violence which reduced a red-skinned people of an earlier culture into a few fragmented groups herded into impoverished reservations." - "Why We Can't Wait, 1963"
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This morning, Fox News marked the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday by publishing the article I linked above with the headline "Please stop politicizing Martin Luther King Day. It's a day for national unity, not political division."


Fox is deliberately revising what this day means -- and distorting what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought for and actually believed. He knew that his life and the work of racial and economic justice were antithetical to a cheap, easy comfortable status quo.

With a GOP aministration in the White House, working with Fox News to reinforce white supremacy and attack Black protest, it's worth remembering exactly what Dr. King actually said about racial justice, economic justice, and politics. Here are a few key ideas Dr. King stated or wrote during his life:
"Shallow understanding" and "Lukewarm acceptance" are two very judgmental terms.

"White america" and "White moderates" are two very racists terms.
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"Shallow understanding" and "Lukewarm acceptance" are two very judgmental terms.

"White america" and "White moderates" are two very racists terms.
ZNP, don't you fear being called a racist?

I understand there is a way out for you. You can claim to be white on the outside, but black on the inside. Apparently it's becoming very popular in liberal circles. Just get your hair frizzed out like former DNC chair DWS. Kind of like a rotten potato, but better than an Oreo.

And, btw, they will excommunicate you for sacrilege if you infer that MLK said something/anything racist.
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zeek, thanks for posting these quotes. I used to respect MLK, though I admit that I knew little about him.

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From the sixteenth century forward, blood flowed in battles over racial supremacy. We are perhaps the only nation which tried as a matter of national policy to wipe out its indigenous population. Moreover, we elevated that tragic experience into a noble crusade.
MLK may have been a "doctor," but he apparently never studied a page of real history. History is filled with those who attempted to wipe out indigenous peoples. Start with Mexico and Canada, our closest neighbors, and keep going.
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Palestinians Attempt to Bomb 1,000 Jewish Pilgrims Visiting Joseph’s Tomb, Judaism’s Third Holiest Site

How long will liberal progressives cling to the lie that Palestinians are "victims?"
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How long will liberal progressives cling to the lie that Palestinians are "victims?"
How long is the world going to deny the reality on the ground? This map shows the expansion and occupation of the Jews in Palestine since 1946. The green is the Palestinians, the white is the Jews.:

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How long is the world going to deny the reality on the ground? This map shows the expansion and occupation of the Jews in Palestine since 1946. The green is the Palestinians, the white is the Jews.:
Your map is bogus. Palestine never was a country.

The land was a desert and uninhabitable until Israel got there.

You also conveniently forgot a few wars in which Israel was attacked by all her mooslum neighbors.

Are you anti-Semitic? Then you must be a white supremacist. How does that make you feel? You are on the same side of history as Hitler.

Sound crazy? That's exactly how the media sounds to me.
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"Shallow understanding" and "Lukewarm acceptance" are two very judgmental terms. "White america" and "White moderates" are two very racists terms.
It's almost impossible to reason about people without making judgments in terms of typical-case prototypes. One should recognize that these are generalities and that may not apply in any given particular case.
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I begin my class every year with an ice breaker, two truths and a lie.

My students have no trouble believing the following (all of which are true):

1. One of my classmates in High school was the son of the bass player for the Rolling stones.

2. One of my classmates in High school was heir to the throne of England

3. The most famous person from my High school was a high school dropout.

4. The most famous person from my university was a university drop out.

5. At 12 years old my dad was rescuing sailors from the Arizona at Pearl Harbor.

But here is the one that they just cannot believe

6. My Uncle's house was bombed by the KKK in Jackson Ms.

(They are like -- wait, was he white?).
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zeek, thanks for posting these quotes. I used to respect MLK, though I admit that I knew little about him.

MLK may have been a "doctor," but he apparently never studied a page of real history. History is filled with those who attempted to wipe out indigenous peoples. Start with Mexico and Canada, our closest neighbors, and keep going.
King's doctorate was in theology. Of course, you are overstating your argument, but, yes, he was wrong about the history of genocide. Surprisingly, he overlooked the divinely-mandated genocide of ancient Israel according to the Hebrew Torah.
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King's doctorate was in theology. Of course, you are overstating your argument, but, yes, he was wrong about the history of genocide. Surprisingly, he overlooked the divinely-mandated genocide of ancient Israel according to the Hebrew Torah.
And historian scholars attribute that "divinely-mandated genocide of ancient Canaan" due to their hideous practice of child sacrifice.

When the Spaniard Cortez found the same religious practices in the New World, he wiped out the Aztec armies. The Mayan and Incan civilizations had the same evil customs.

Judeo-Christianity, in contrast to all pagan religions, has done more to eliminate genocide that anything else. And I include the RCC of the dark ages to be a pagan religion, worshiping Mary and the idols.
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I begin my class every year with an ice breaker, two truths and a lie.

My students have no trouble believing the following (all of which are true):

1. One of my classmates in High school was the son of the bass player for the Rolling stones.

2. One of my classmates in High school was heir to the throne of England

3. The most famous person from my High school was a high school dropout.

4. The most famous person from my university was a university drop out.

5. At 12 years old my dad was rescuing sailors from the Arizona at Pearl Harbor.

But here is the one that they just cannot believe

6. My Uncle's house was bombed by the KKK in Jackson Ms.

(They are like -- wait, was he white?).
Teasers, no doubt. Do you plan to reveal their identities?
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Teasers, no doubt. Do you plan to reveal their identities?
Bill Wyman's son, 16th in line to the throne, Norman Rockwell, Howard Hughes, my dad's father was a captain in the navy and his backyard was less than 100 yards from where the Arizona was docked.

Uncle -- Bob Kochtitzky (he was working with black churches).

BTW I went to two different High Schools, one in England and one in NY.
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I find something incredibly insulting with the news that is not even being commented on. How many people are in this meeting with the President of the US and are not listening to the president when he is speaking?! That is just disrespectful and insulting. I can't believe they are acknowledging this publicly!

Also, I was told by Trump that he was going to get the best and brightest for his cabinet and we have dottering fools that can't hear what he says, can't remember what he says and don't even realize that Norway is a white country. Can't we find a few qualified people to work in our government?
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I find something incredibly insulting with the news that is not even being commented on. How many people are in this meeting with the President of the US and are not listening to the president when he is speaking?! That is just disrespectful and insulting. I can't believe they are acknowledging this publicly!

Also, I was told by Trump that he was going to get the best and brightest for his cabinet and we have dottering fools that can't hear what he says, can't remember what he says and don't even realize that Norway is a white country. Can't we find a few qualified people to work in our government?
Obama had the brightest Ivy Leaguers, and they could not hear either.
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I find something incredibly insulting with the news that is not even being commented on. How many people are in this meeting with the President of the US and are not listening to the president when he is speaking?! That is just disrespectful and insulting. I can't believe they are acknowledging this publicly!

Also, I was told by Trump that he was going to get the best and brightest for his cabinet and we have dottering fools that can't hear what he says, can't remember what he says and don't even realize that Norway is a white country. Can't we find a few qualified people to work in our government?
Perhaps they're afraid to talk. Everything in the White House is unofficially classified "Top Secret." Bannon told lawmakers investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election that the White House instructed him not to answer questions related to his tenure as a top White House adviser. He owes nothing to the Constitutionally empowered Congress or the American people. Fear rules.
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Perhaps they're afraid to talk. Everything in the White House is unofficially classified "Top Secret." Bannon told lawmakers investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election that the White House instructed him not to answer questions related to his tenure as a top White House adviser. He owes nothing to the Constitutionally empowered Congress or the American people. Fear rules.
Or perhaps "countries like Norway" is code for Russia.
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Or perhaps "countries like Norway" is code for Russia.
That's funny.

“A president beholden to Russia had been installed in the Oval Office: the most successful foreign espionage attempt against the United States in the nation’s history. And from beginning to end, the president’s political party rallied to protect him — and itself — from investigation, exposure, and consequences.”

“Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic,” by respected conservative author David Frum.
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“A president beholden to Russia had been installed in the Oval Office: the most successful foreign espionage attempt against the United States in the nation’s history. And from beginning to end, the president’s political party rallied to protect him — and itself — from investigation, exposure, and consequences.
Nonsensical accusations without a shred of evidence.

Now we know that the Obama/ Clinton "Russian Reset" was treasonous actions to enable Russia to gain control of our limited uranium reserves in exchanged for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's US dollars.
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“A president beholden to Russia had been installed in the Oval Office: the most successful foreign espionage attempt against the United States in the nation’s history. And from beginning to end, the president’s political party rallied to protect him — and itself — from investigation, exposure, and consequences.
Nonsensical accusations without a shred of evidence.

Now we know that the Obama/ Clinton "Russian Reset" was treasonous actions to enable Russia to gain control of our limited uranium reserves in exchanged for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's US dollars.
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Nonsensical accusations without a shred of evidence.

Now we know that the Obama/ Clinton "Russian Reset" was treasonous actions to enable Russia to gain control of our limited uranium reserves in exchanged for hundreds of millions of dollars. That's US dollars.
Absolutely absurd, no one would believe such a thing. It would be like a story of Israel installing a spy as the Secretary of Defense for Syria. Actually, bad example since that did happen.
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Chris Plante, talk radio, on current DACA legislation: "If the Left didn't have double standards, they would have no standards at all."
So much for trying to respect and understand those that disagree with you.
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So much for trying to respect and understand those that disagree with you.
On the contrary, that statement displays a prudent understanding of progressive views based on a multitude of actual facts.
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Absolutely absurd, no one would believe such a thing. It would be like a story of Israel installing a spy as the Secretary of Defense for Syria. Actually, bad example since that did happen.
There is no way we can compare Israel's intelligence operations, based on their survival being surrounded by enemies hundredfold more than they, with claims of Russian collusion, now going on more than a year without evidence.

Unless, of course, the FBI special prosecutor wants to convict every one in Wash DC of "lying."
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"An American president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger."
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So much for trying to respect and understand those that disagree with you.
As y'all prolly know I'm a fan of laughter (if there's no laughter there's a problem). And bro ZNP, that statement by Plante had to have had bro Ohio spittin' coffee, and rolling on the floor.

The only problem I have with it is not that liberals have no standards at all, but rather that it ignores the same about conservatives that support Trump.

I'm delighted bro Ohio got a kick out of it. I just don't get how he can support either party. I'm hoping that, as he continues to get the local church out of his system, he'll learn better.
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"An American president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger."
Where was Congress when Obama/Clinton sold out our country's uranium?

Is it really fair to constantly condemn an American president for eating McDonald's and diet cokes during his campaign? Is is really fair to mercilessly attack his wife and children? His mental health, to the point he has to put his doctor in the WH Press Room.

Sorry, zeek, but your opposition has become a blinding hatred. I did not like Obama's policies, but it never reached the venomous rancor we see today.
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As y'all prolly know I'm a fan of laughter (if there's no laughter there's a problem). And bro ZNP, that statement by Plante had to have had bro Ohio spittin' coffee, and rolling on the floor.

The only problem I have with it is not that liberals have no standards at all, but rather that it ignores the same about conservatives that support Trump.

I'm delighted bro Ohio got a kick out of it. I just don't get how he can support either party. I'm hoping that, as he continues to get the local church out of his system, he'll learn better.
I don't support either party. Never gave them a penny.

And I won't drink coffee at the 'puter since I trashed the last one with a cup of coffee.

When Clinton was prez, we heard the daily drumbeat about "not his personal life, but job performance." The stock market was booming at the time Clinton was hitting on the interns.

But the libs won't use those same "standards" with Trump. Hence, the appropriate quote from Plante.
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"An American president who cannot take criticism, who must constantly deflect and distort and distract, who must find someone else to blame is charting a very dangerous path. And a Congress that fails to act as a check on the president adds to the danger."
Here are the 80 questions that were asked of Trump's doctor. Where is the precedent for this in history? These are from senior White House correspondents, from all major news outlets. Talk about nonsense! But in your little liberal echo chamber, this is all "legit."
  1. Dr. Jackson, how much weight have you suggested the President lose? And he has not exactly been enthusiastic about exercising. The President kind of believes that we all have a finite battery — why waste it on exercising when you can put it toward other pursuits. What did you counsel him about that?
  2. There have been some questions as part of your exam — I’m wondering if you talked to the President about this — about the President’s mental fitness. He has pushed back on that calling himself a “stable genius”. Can you assess the President’s mental fitness for office?
  3. So to follow up, the President’s personal doctor memorably said during the campaign that he would be the “healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.” Do you agree with that assessment?
  4. There was an incident recently where the President appeared to slur his words while giving an address. Did you look into what the cause of that might have been at all?
  5. Just to follow up, some people have suggested that could be related to dentures. Does the President wear dentures?
  6. I wanted to ask you two questions, one is about the ejection fraction. My wife suffers from that so I clued in on the 60 percent. Is that a concern going forward for him because that, in some cases, indicates low activity in the heart?
  7. A second follow up on the cholesterol. Over 220, do you hope to get it under 200?
  8. Anyway, with the low — I understand that the blood pressure was within norms, but with the high cholesterol, are there any concerns for his heart health?
  9. Dr. Jackson, thank you. Could you just elaborate, in layman’s terms, if possible — and you’ve been doing a great job of that — what you ruled out in these cognitive tests?
  10. And the tips part? Did you recommend he make any changes — lifestyle, behavioral, anything?
  11. You ordered some pretty intensive tests, including a CT scan of his chest and a transesophageal echocardiogram. Did he need to be sedated at all? Was there something you were worried about specifically in giving the CT scan?
  12. And he does have heart disease, is that what you said? Because he had a CT scan before that showed calcium in his coronary blood vessels.
  13. Dr. Jackson, if I might ask a question that follows on the philosophy of the fitness of the President — The 25th Amendment, a lot of people in the country have been talking about it. It basically contemplates that a group of Senate-confirmed laymen will weigh in on whether the President is able to discharge the duties of the office. You, as the President’s physician, have certainly given this some thought over the years since you’ve been in your role. On what basis would you — and this is just a philosophical question — advise the Cabinet that the President is unable to discharge his duties? How does that bar get met?
  14. Do believe he is fit for duty?
  15. How can you determine that? Yeah, how can you determine that for the whole — I mean, you can’t determine it for four years out, right?
  16. So you talked about dealing with President Trump on a daily basis. Can you talk a bit about him as a patient, like what type of patient he is?
  17. Does he take all of your advice?
  18. And you also talked about — since you were dealing with him on a daily basis, has he had any ongoing illness or anything like that?
  19. You talked about giving him Sudafed. Sometimes it sounds like he has the sniffles when he’s talking. Does he have any allergies or anything like that?
  20. Dr. Jackson, just to make sure we’re clear on this — when you analyzed his cognitive ability or neurological functions, that is not the same thing as a psychiatric exam or psychological exam, correct?
  21. Dr. Jackson, does the President do anything at all right now in terms of exercise? What is his daily exercise routine, if there is one?
  22. You said you were discussing that with him. What are you discussing? What would you like to see him start doing?
  23. But can you explain to me how a guy who eats McDonald’s and (inaudible) and all those diet cokes and who never exercises, is in as good as shape as you say he’s in?
  24. Oh, thank you. You mentioned that you gave the President a cognitive test. Was that the Mini-Mental State Examination or the (inaudible) test? And if not, can you tell us what specific cognitive test you gave him?
  25. Thanks very much. Just a couple of things. Do you have a life-expectancy range for him based on his results?
  26. Number two, what exactly does the exercise and eating plan look like?
  27. Is it you’re going to put an elliptical machine next to the bedroom and he’s going to use it? What does that look like?
  28. Did you see any evidence of bone spurs, which the President said that he suffered from?
  29. The specifics of the dietary and exercise plan — what’s in store?
  30. Is he limited to one scoop of ice cream now?
  31. Dr. Jackson, one follow-up question. There isn’t anything that’s a part of the President’s health records or his overall physical fitness, or any medications that he’s taking that you’re not permitted to tell us? Is there anything you’re keeping from us for privacy reasons?
  32. Doctor, can you say — given the President’s age, he’s somewhat of a peer to where President Reagan was at this time in his presidency. Can you say — given that there is scrutiny of what was overlooked at the time with President Reagan, in terms of Alzheimer’s and things he was then known to suffer from at a later date, can you say whether the test that you ran would exclude any of those things and what the possibility of overlooking something like that would be? You know, how can you tell the American people that this time you’re certain?
  33. Can I ask a quick question about PSAs? Are you confident of his prostate health? You recited a very low PSA. Are you certain that’s not a product of finasteride masking?
  34. Dr. Jackson, did you take a waist measurement for the President? His weight — I think you said 239, right? That seems — I think that’s just shy of obesity, right? So you’re confident of that number, and did you do any measurements?
  35. Because of his age, will you conduct cognitive testing in the future? Because of his age, in continuing his physicals in the future, will you also continue the cognitive testing?
  36. Dr. Jackson, it’s recommended that most baby boomers get screened for hepatitis C. Did you do a hep C test, or has he had one previously?
  37. Doctor, thank you. You talked a little bit about his diet here at the White House. Can you flesh that out a little bit? What specifically is he eating? Is he eating lots of chicken and fishes and white meat?
  38. Does he take any sleep aids? What about here at the White House? Just when he travels?
  39. How much sleep does he get, on average?
  40. Dr. Jackson, can you say whether your prediction of good health and no serious events for years to come still holds if the President does not make changes to his diet and starts to exercise? Is that still your professional medical opinion? And then, also, can you just tell us how long the examination was, sort of, start to finish, and how many people were involved?
  41. How long was the entire — the entirety of the exam? And how many people were involved?
  42. Thank you, Dr. Jackson. Was there anything that the President or anyone else specifically said for you not to mention today?
  43. And just to follow up on that, some of the President’s friends have told reporters in the past that they think he’s a germophobe, that he washes his hands obsessively and is concerned about that. Have you seen any indication of that type of behavior being around the President?
  44. How would you characterize the President’s health to an average 71-year-old American male?
  45. Is that just cardiac, or is it everything?
  46. Just to be clear, though, Dr. Jackson, he is taking a cholesterol-lowering medication, he has evidence of heart disease, and he’s borderline obese. Can you characterize that as excellent health?
  47. You said there were some stroke concerns? You just said there were stroke concerns as well?
  48. What about potential diabetic changes as a result of his weight?
  49. I know his pressure is real good, but what about potential because of the weight as he gets older?
  50. Did you test his hearing?
  51. Does the President — when the President has his colonoscopy at the next physical, will he be sedated?
  52. And when that happens, are you a part of the decision-making process on handing over power to the Vice President or whoever while he’s sedated?
  53. Dr. Jackson, thank you. You say that the President was the one who requested the cognitive test, that it wasn’t necessarily needed for someone of his age. Did you — did he tell you why he wanted it done? There’s been a lot of speculation out there about his cognitive state. Was he upset with some of that talk? What were the discussions that you had from when he told you, “this is why I want to do it”? Why did he say he wanted to do it?
  54. Was there any one incident that kind of made him say, hey, this is something I want to do, or was it just a collection of voices of criticisms? No, I mean, like outside criticisms?
  55. On the President’s stress level, in your conversations in your examinations, did he express any change in how stressful this job, or lack of stress that he has experienced as a result of becoming President?
  56. And if I could follow up on the questions of a few of my colleagues regarding an exercise routine for the President. You said you’ve had these conversations with him. Could you take us through some specific exercises that you and the President are considering as you look at this routine?
  57. Does he watch too much TV? From a sedentary lifestyle sort of perspective, should he cut back on that? But you get why I’m asking, because of the seated sort of aspect of television-watching versus the active lifestyle part of it.
  58. Doctor, you’ve examined him and performed a cognitive assessment. What is your take of all the doctors and clinicians all across the country who have said that, in this President, they see symptoms of this, that, and the other? Well, symptoms of dementia.
  59. How would you describe his diet before he became President? A lot has been said about too much McDonald’s, too many burgers. Do you think it was problematic?
  60. Thank you. You said you’re not sure how much sleep he gets a night, but you assume it’s between four to five hours. Does that concern you? Would you recommend him to try to get more sleep?
  61. Did you tell the current President about his predecessor’s exercise routine? And does this President ask you about how he could follow his predecessor’s example to be as fit as Barack Obama was?
  62. And a second question, do you keep a tally of how much golf the U.S. President plays? That is something the press office repeatedly does not tell us. Do you keep a tally? And do you consider that exercise?
  63. Dr. Jackson, does the President take any medications that you haven’t disclosed here today?
  64. Can you give us an idea of exactly what that cognitive exam involved over that half hour? And does that conclusively rule out any further psychological exam?
  65. Do you have any concerns about the President’s use of Twitter?
  66. Thank you, Dr. Jackson. The President is the first lifelong teetotaler and nonsmoker to sit in the Oval Office since President Jimmy Carter. Can you say that that’s extended his life in any way and makes him unusually healthier for his age?
  67. Thank you. You mentioned a whole bunch of doctors that participated in Friday’s exam. And there are other questions that were asked today about the President’s emotional health. Is there anyone on the President’s medical team, such as a psychiatrist or psychologist, whose job it is to monitor the President’s emotional state or watch for potential psychiatric problems or indicators of those?
  68. Did you make any wellness recommendations to the President against the burnout — mental burnout, first and foremost, like meditation, or mindfulness? Where do you stand on that?
  69. Realistically, what do you think you’re going to get him to do as far as exercise? Tell him I’ll be his exercise buddy if he needs one.
  70. Yes. Thank you, Doctor. Will your office be working with the White House Chef at all, (inaudible) in terms of formulating what kind of diet he’s going to need?
  71. You made a statement saying that you expect the President to be in good health for the duration of his term, or even a second term, if he gets it. Was there a specific request from the President to make that statement, or from anyone in the administration or from anyone in the White House?
  72. You’ve been answering questions here for more than 50 minutes, by my take, which I think is really extraordinary. Is that an indication of the President’s desire to put all these rumors and questions to rest, once and for all?
  73. Will you commit to doing this next year?
  74. Dr. Jackson, just one more question about the Montreal exam and other, sort of, mini mental status exams. They’re pretty good but they’re not really sensitive to someone who’s already high-functioning. They’re not really good at finding early stages of dementia. If the President is worried about it, would you recommend more sophisticated exams?
  75. Are you saying — this is my ignorance — but are we saying that, because of Reagan — all right, we had some of the issues with Reagan — and the issues about this President, cognitive testing, mental acuity testing, is not commonly part of an annual physical with the President of the United States?
  76. With the power that he wields, should it not be?
  77. The President playing golf a lot, almost every weekend. Is that helpful for his health?
  78. Dr. Jackson, thank you. You said he doesn’t drink and he doesn’t smoke, and other than the diet issue, did you address drug addiction?
  79. Thanks. So could you give a sense on how involved the First Family is in this — the First Lady, his daughter, others — in encouraging him to be — step up on the exercise?
  80. My question was, with all the questions that have been asked, going back to that issue, everyone has asked about mental acuity. Those questions have been in the public. And he told Sarah to tell you to stay up here until those questions are answered. Going forward, would you recommend that Presidents undergo that type of testing?
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Rumor has it that Obama refused to take the widely respected and difficult mental acuity test.

But now that Trump’s doctor, who was also the White House doctor for Barack Obama and George W. Bush, has announced that the president got a perfect score on a widely respected and difficult mental acuity test — a 30 out of 30 — what we have here is yet another instance where the entire mainstream media has egg all over their face after betraying the American people with lies and conspiracy theories.
  • Trump will never run for president.
  • Trump will never release his financial disclosure forms.
  • Trump can’t win the Republican nomination.
  • Trump can’t win the presidency.
  • Trump can’t win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.
  • Trump will crash the stock market.
  • Trump will put all American Muslims on a list.
  • Trump will launch mass deportations.
  • Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will blow up the Middle East
  • Trump will not be able to work with congress to pass his agenda.
  • Trump colluded with the Russians.
  • Trump lied about Obama spying on him.
  • Trump only wants to be popular so he will do what the polls tell him.
  • Trump is mentally ill.
Again and again and again, our media is caught red-handed lying to the public, wildly misleading them with narratives built on hate, conspiracy theories, ignorance, and a provincial herd mentality.
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Eric Trump: My Dad Isn’t Racist Because He Only ‘Sees 1 Color, Green’
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This is frightening :

Donald Trump’s terrifying plan to win the 2018 midterms

"In private conversations, Trump has told advisers that he doesn’t think the 2018 election has to be as bad as others are predicting. He has referenced the 2002 midterms, when George W. Bush and Republicans fared better after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, these people said."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...umps-2018-plan
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Rumor has it that Obama refused to take the widely respected and difficult mental acuity test.

But now that Trump’s doctor, who was also the White House doctor for Barack Obama and George W. Bush, has announced that the president got a perfect score on a widely respected and difficult mental acuity test — a 30 out of 30 — what we have here is yet another instance where the entire mainstream media has egg all over their face after betraying the American people with lies and conspiracy theories.
  • Trump will never run for president.
  • Trump will never release his financial disclosure forms.
  • Trump can’t win the Republican nomination.
  • Trump can’t win the presidency.
  • Trump can’t win Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.
  • Trump will crash the stock market.
  • Trump will put all American Muslims on a list.
  • Trump will launch mass deportations.
  • Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel will blow up the Middle East
  • Trump will not be able to work with congress to pass his agenda.
  • Trump colluded with the Russians.
  • Trump lied about Obama spying on him.
  • Trump only wants to be popular so he will do what the polls tell him.
  • Trump is mentally ill.
Again and again and again, our media is caught red-handed lying to the public, wildly misleading them with narratives built on hate, conspiracy theories, ignorance, and a provincial herd mentality.
Yeah, Trump is a super hero. And Dubya and Obama can suck it. They aren't even worthy to tie his shoe laces.

So now we don't need a free press. Our founding fathers were wrong, because they didn't know a president like Trump would come along.

Cuz, even when he's wrong he's right. But Stormy says he's just not good in the sack ... that's all ... no big deal ... except maybe to Melania ... who, btw, is being well taken care of otherwise.

I'm very tired of winning.
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Yeah, Trump is a super hero. And Dubya and Obama can suck it. They aren't even worthy to tie his shoe laces.

So now we don't need a free press. Our founding fathers were wrong, because they didn't know a president like Trump would come along.
You sound like an extremist -- since the media purported so much fake news -- Trump is a super hero and shut down the Press?????

How about a free Press, and not a biased Press? How about giving credit where credit is due??? How about a dose of fairness??? Honesty??? How about leaving his family out??? Is that really too much to ask for???

I did notice that my liberal friends have stopped whining about Russia collusion. Perhaps an apology for false accusations is too much to ask for.
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You sound like an extremist -- since the media purported so much fake news -- Trump is a super hero and shut down the Press?????

How about a free Press, and not a biased Press? How about giving credit where credit is due??? How about a dose of fairness??? Honesty??? How about leaving his family out??? Is that really too much to ask for???

I did notice that my liberal friends have stopped whining about Russia collusion. Perhaps an apology for false accusations is too much to ask for.
A free press is a free press ... and can do all those awful things you list. It's the nature of a free press ; an amendment as valid as the 2nd amendment.
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A free press is a free press ... and can do all those awful things you list. It's the nature of a free press ; an amendment as valid as the 2nd amendment.
They are not "free," but quite costly to our republic. Totalitarian regimes also claim to have a "free" press.

The purpose of the Press is to serve the people, and the press today, so biased and hateful to all conservatives, does not serve us.

They are only serving themselves, and their rich liberal elites. They have lost their value in the democratic process.
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1. The New York Times’ Paul Krugman claimed on the day of President Trump’s historic, landslide victory that the economy would never recover.

2. ABC News' Brian Ross CHOKES and sends markets in a downward spiral with false report.

3. CNN FALSELY reported that candidate Donald Trump and his son Donald J. Trump, Jr. had access to hacked documents from WikiLeaks.

4. TIME FALSELY reported that President Trump removed a bust of Martin Luther King, Jr. from the Oval Office.

5. Washington Post FALSELY reported the President’s massive sold-out rally in Pensacola, Florida was empty. Dishonest reporter showed picture of empty arena HOURS before crowd started pouring in.

6. CNN FALSELY edited a video to make it appear President Trump defiantly overfed fish during a visit with the Japanese prime minister. Japanese prime minister actually led the way with the feeding.

7. CNN FALSELY reported about Anthony Scaramucci’s meeting with a Russian, but retracted it due to a “significant breakdown in process.”

8. Newsweek FALSELY reported that Polish First Lady Agata Kornhauser-Duda did not shake President Trump’s hand.

9. CNN FALSELY reported that former FBI Director James Comey would dispute President Trump’s claim that he was told he is not under investigation.

10. The New York Times FALSELY claimed on the front page that the Trump administration had hidden a climate report.

11. And last, but not least: "RUSSIA COLLUSION!" Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!
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I don't support either party. Never gave them a penny.
So you just seem to be supporting a party? You just don't put your money where your mouth is?

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But the libs won't use those same "standards" with Trump.
It cuts both ways. Fox news really established itself with the Clinton sex scandals, but aren't using the same standard with Trump.
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So you just seem to be supporting a party? You just don't put your money where your mouth is?

It cuts both ways. Fox news really established itself with the Clinton sex scandals, but aren't using the same standard with Trump.
Really? So how much money did you give Nancy Pelosi?

Do you really have evidence that Trump is in the Oval Office alone with interns?
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Really? So how much money did you give Nancy Pelosi?
I don't support Pelosi with my mouth or money. I dislike like her with the same dislike I have for Hillary.

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Do you really have evidence that Trump is in the Oval Office alone with interns?
Well not yet. But his lawyers can maybe fix that.

But seriousness aside ... haha ... you dodged my point. Fox News was fierce against Clinton, and ALL his sexual escapades. The intern in the Oval was just their cherry on top.

But they are not applying the same standard to Trump. Why is that bro Ohio?

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I don't support Pelosi with my mouth or money. I dislike like her with the same dislike I have for Hillary.


Well not yet. But his lawyers can maybe fix that.

But seriousness aside ... haha ... you dodged my point. Fox News was fierce against Clinton, and ALL his sexual escapades. The intern in the Oval was just their cherry on top.

But they are not applying the same standard to Trump. Why is that bro
There are some folks at Fox who care little for Trump, and love to expose his tweeter gaffes. Chris Wallace, for one, comes to mind. He is a never Trumper like Flake and McCain, and regularly demeans Trump.

But the Fox evening lineup -- Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham -- are definitely Trump supporters.

But looking back, what Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky should never have been publicized or prosecuted. It was consensual, though tawdry, and how could anyone blame Clinton for lying to protect his marriage/reputation. I don't condone what he and Hilary did to the other women though.

But the point you are missing is not just political slant, but accuracy, as evidenced by those Fake News Awards. Fox obviously vets their news far more carefully. They value accuracy. They don't allow right wing commentators to sling outrageous lies around.
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There are some folks at Fox who care little for Trump, and love to expose his tweeter gaffes. Chris Wallace, for one, comes to mind. He is a never Trumper like Flake and McCain, and regularly demeans Trump.

But the Fox evening lineup -- Carlson, Hannity, Ingraham -- are definitely Trump supporters.

But looking back, what Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky should never have been publicized or prosecuted. It was consensual, though tawdry, and how could anyone blame Clinton for lying to protect his marriage/reputation. I don't condone what he and Hilary did to the other women though.

But the point you are missing is not just political slant, but accuracy, as evidenced by those Fake News Awards. Fox obviously vets their news far more carefully. They value accuracy. They don't allow right wing commentators to sling outrageous lies around.
That was an honest and balanced reply. But you do get my point, that, Trump, not just at Fox, is not being held to the same standards as Clinton.

And with the internet everything is public. This is especially true for politicians.

In Touch reveals Stormy Daniels and it goes viral. But conservatives don't care, that he cheated while just married, nor do the Evangelicals that put Trump in office care. But if it was Clinton, they'd be going ballistic.

And if it was Obama they'd be having their heyday. Dislike Obama all you want, but he never had a sexual scandal, and seems to be the ideal family man. Go figure. Hate Obama, who was clean, and love Trump, who is dirty, multiple times.

Something don't make sense. More on that soon.
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That was an honest and balanced reply. But you do get my point, that, Trump, not just at Fox, is not being held to the same standards as Clinton.
Trump just spoke at the 45th annual Right to Life March. First time ever.

If you value the life of the unborn, you love a President who also supports them. Christians are a forgiving people. Many consider Kings David as an example of one whose personal morals, though inexcusable, yet were forgiven.

Obviously Trump has changed over time. Sure he has a closet of skeletons. Two years ago, conservatives had no idea where he stood on a number of issues. His SCOTUS appointee was pivotal to many.

But don't tell me that Obama was "clean." His skeletons were far more objectionable to many Americans, the least of which was citizenship. Anyone who saw the forensics analysis of his birth certificate and selective service card knew that. He was a closet Muslim. He called his wife "Michael." His chief strategist Jarrett, was an Iranian Muslim Communist. There was just too much going on in his life, to call him "clean."
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Trump just spoke at the 45th annual Right to Life March. First time ever.

If you value the life of the unborn, you love a President who also supports them. Christians are a forgiving people. Many consider Kings David as an example of one whose personal morals, though inexcusable, yet were forgiven.

Obviously Trump has changed over time. Sure he has a closet of skeletons. Two years ago, conservatives had no idea where he stood on a number of issues. His SCOTUS appointee was pivotal to many.

But don't tell me that Obama was "clean." His skeletons were far more objectionable to many Americans, the least of which was citizenship. Anyone who saw the forensics analysis of his birth certificate and selective service card knew that. He was a closet Muslim. He called his wife "Michael." His chief strategist Jarrett, was an Iranian Muslim Communist. There was just too much going on in his life, to call him "clean."
Clean compared to Clinton and Trump. And Trump's wife is a communist. So he brought a communist into the Oval Office ... and living, at times anyway, in the Whitehouse.
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Chucky Shumer blasts those who would shut down the government over Immigration.
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Clean compared to Clinton and Trump. And Trump's wife is a communist. So he brought a communist into the Oval Office ... and living, at times anyway, in the Whitehouse.
One beautiful commie!
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Trump just spoke at the 45th annual Right to Life March.
So you buy into our Bloviator-in-Chief. You're too easy/

"Donald Trump criticized U.S. abortion laws as among the most permissive in the world in a speech to anti-abortion activists at the annual March for Life on Friday, and pledged his administration would always defend 'the right to life.' But the president tripped over his tongue at a key moment in his landmark nine-minute speech, complaining about American laws that allow late-term fetuses to be 'born' - not aborted. 'Right now in a number of states,' he said, 'the laws allow a baby to be born from his or her mother's womb in the ninth month. It is wrong. It has to change.'"

He's sure not the gifted orator that Obama was.

Not only the 'nine month born' gaff, but he's got his facts all wrong :

"• The highest annual rate of abortion in 2010–2014 was in the Caribbean, estimated at 59 per 1,000 women of childbearing age, followed by South America, at 48. The lowest rates were in Northern America, at 17, and Western and Northern Europe—at 16 and 18, respectively."
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We endured several government shut-downs when Newt Gingrich was the #1 bomb thrower in D.C. in the 90s. Now the Bomb Thrower and Chief is in the White House.

The Golden Wrecking Ball must be pissed off cuz it messed up his appointment to play golf at Mar-A-Lago this weekend. So sad.

Trumpty Dumpty is in a Twitter war against his own Chief of Staff John Kelly. Don't fret America; it's all a part of the grand strategy outlined in masterpiece The Art of the Deal [$12.99 at Amazon] ghost written by Tony Schwartz.

When Sir Sissypants "feels aggrieved, he reacts impulsively and defensively, constructing a self-justifying story that doesn't depend on facts and always directs the blame to others." Hence, the Dems are to blame for the shut-down and messing up his golf date.
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We endured several government shut-downs when Newt Gingrich was the #1 bomb thrower in D.C. in the 90s. Now the Bomb Thrower and Chief is in the White House.

The Golden Wrecking Ball must be pissed off cuz it messed up his appointment to play golf at Mar-A-Lago this weekend. So sad.

Trumpty Dumpty is in a Twitter war against his own Chief of Staff John Kelly. Don't fret America; it's all a part of the grand strategy outlined in masterpiece The Art of the Deal [$12.99 at Amazon] ghost written by Tony Schwartz.

When Sir Sissypants "feels aggrieved, he reacts impulsively and defensively, constructing a self-justifying story that doesn't depend on facts and always directs the blame to others." Hence, the Dems are to blame for the shut-down and messing up his golf date.
I can't tell if this is good news or not. Question -- now that the government has shut down does this mean we don't have to pay taxes for the period of time they are shut down?

2nd question -- I know this is the democrats fault (I read DT's tweet), but why? Don't the Republicans control the house, senate and Whitehouse?
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I can't tell if this is good news or not. Question -- now that the government has shut down does this mean we don't have to pay taxes for the period of time they are shut down?

2nd question -- I know this is the democrats fault (I read DT's tweet), but why? Don't the Republicans control the house, senate and Whitehouse?
Budget CR needs 60 votes.

The Chucky Shumer Shutdown!

One man can shut down the country!

So ZNP, you really blame Trump for defending American citizens, and support Schumer for shutting down the Government for illegal aliens who will one day vote Democrat.
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Budget CR needs 60 votes.

The Chucky Shumer Shutdown!

One man can shut down the country!

So ZNP, you really blame Trump for defending American citizens, and support Schumer for shutting down the Government for illegal aliens who will one day vote Democrat.
I already said I read DT's tweet and it is clear from Trump that this is 100% the Democrats fault.

What I don't understand is that Trump was elected because he is a "great negotiator", "everyone wants Trump to do negotiations", and he is really not beholden to any policy.

I also doubt Schumer could control 100% of the democrats. Surely a wiley negotiator like DT could have figured out how to peel a few of them off.

Also, what is the procedure for an illegal alien to vote?
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Here's a real good one fer ya, from the Trump Campaign :

"DEMOCRATS “COMPLICIT” IN ALL MURDERS BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/d...gal-immigrants
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But then. In 2013, on Fox and Friends, Trump said the responsibility for a gov'ment shutdown lies with the president. See video :

"REVEALED: Trump said a shutdown is ALWAYS the president's fault in 2013 interview as he now tries to pin the blame on 'obstructionist' Democrats."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nts-fault.html
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But then. In 2013, on Fox and Friends, Trump said the responsibility for a gov'ment shutdown lies with the president. See video :

"REVEALED: Trump said a shutdown is ALWAYS the president's fault in 2013 interview as he now tries to pin the blame on 'obstructionist' Democrats."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nts-fault.html
I guess this is the exception that proves the rule.*

*Rule -- Trump will always claim he is right and blame everyone and anyone else for everything. The corollary is also true -- Trump will always take credit for anything that goes well regardless of how absurd that is.
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Let's have a little pro-Trump :

"Roberts County: A year in the most pro-Trump town in America."

"“Donald Trump showed a great strength,” Porter said in June. “A great powerful person for the American people first. First in immigration, first in jobs, first in everything. And I realized that we needed a president who believed America was great. Greater than all other countries.”"

"One person who Porter said didn’t fit that description was Hillary Clinton. Her unpopularity came up repeatedly in conversations with Roberts County voters over the course of the year, and the Porters made sure their distaste for Clinton was passed down in their household to their miniature Australian shepherd named Buddy, whom they taught to bark like mad whenever he heard the name “Hillary.”"

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I already said I read DT's tweet and it is clear from Trump that this is 100% the Democrats fault.

What I don't understand is that Trump was elected because he is a "great negotiator", "everyone wants Trump to do negotiations", and he is really not beholden to any policy.

I also doubt Schumer could control 100% of the democrats. Surely a wiley negotiator like DT could have figured out how to peel a few of them off.

Also, what is the procedure for an illegal alien to vote?
Shutdown Schumer does NOT need to control EVERY Democrat, just enough to prevent 60 Senators from voting for the Budget.

Obviously you place future Illegal Aliena not yet even in our country above the safety of our own citizens -- pretty pathetic -- but you can sit back and mock Trump because you still get paid.

Our daughter and husband do NOT get paid.
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Shutdown Schumer does NOT need to control EVERY Democrat, just enough to prevent 60 Senators from voting for the Budget.

Obviously you place future Illegal Aliena not yet even in our country above the safety of our own citizens -- pretty pathetic -- but you can sit back and mock Trump because you still get paid.

Our daughter and husband do NOT get paid.
How did I mock him? He campaigned on the claim that "he is a great negotiator". Surely some people voted for him based on that claim. It was a very close election so anything that made a difference in a few key states is how he got elected. Republicans control the Whitehouse, Senate and House. From what I understand the shutdown was also due to 4 republicans.

My point is simple, Schumer does not control every single Democrat. They needed 41 votes to get the shutdown, Schumer is just one vote.

I support listening to those who voted for Trump, I also support listening to those who chose a shutdown.
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I also support listening to those who chose a shutdown.
And you see that it's worthwhile to shutdown the government over illegal aliens who are not yet here?

Remember, Trump's deal was to allow a path to amnesty for the Daca (and possibly all Dreamers.) But he said he must have a wall and an end to future chain and lottery immigration.

Schumer, Flake, and company would not accept that, and demanded that we all have a future without borders, enforced by sanctuary cities and states.

Trump said he would take the "heat" for that concession with his supporters, considering it a big step forward in negotiation.
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And you see that it's worthwhile to shutdown the government over illegal aliens who are not yet here?

Remember, Trump's deal was to allow a path to amnesty for the Daca (and possibly all dreamers.) But he said he must have a wall and an end to future chain immigrations. Schumer and company would not accept that, and demand we all have a future without borders, enforced by sanctuary cities and states.
I do not know why 41 people voted to shut it down. I would be interested in hearing from them, but not from those blaming others and ascribing every evil intention imaginable.

As far as I am concerned I have been so repulsed by the political discourse that I ignore it. As you said I am still working, which is my focus at the moment.
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I do not know why 41 people voted to shut it down. I would be interested in hearing from them, but not from those blaming others and ascribing every evil intention imaginable.

As far as I am concerned I have been so repulsed by the political discourse that I ignore it. As you said I am still working, which is my focus at the moment.
And you are getting paid. Good reason to ignore the repulsive discourse.
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"Republican Senator Lindsey Graham on Sunday blasted White House staff for undercutting efforts to craft a deal on immigration and end the ongoing government shutdown.

Speaking with reporters, Graham singled out White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller as an 'outlier', and said despite President Donald Trump’s willingness to forge a deal, his aides have made such negotiations difficult.

'Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members', Graham said. 'As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we’re going nowhere.' "
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"Republican Senator Lindsey Graham on Sunday blasted White House staff for undercutting efforts to craft a deal on immigration and end the ongoing government shutdown.

Speaking with reporters, Graham singled out White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller as an 'outlier', and said despite President Donald Trump’s willingness to forge a deal, his aides have made such negotiations difficult.

'Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members', Graham said. 'As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we’re going nowhere.' "
Senator Graham is the outlier on immigration. Polls show Stephen Miller more closely aligns with the views of typical American citizens.

To date, all so-called bi-partizan immigration legislation (Gang of Eight, Gang of Six) has never been bi-partizan. Senators like McCain, Flake, and Graham constantly break with their party on this issue.
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You contradicted yourself again.
Thank God the Schumer Shutdown has ended.

Polls say that Americans did not agree with him.
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Deep state "Secret Society," the liberal democrats so-called "insurance policy," was established at Obama's DOJ/FBI to destroy the new democratically elected President.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-SC) said the “secret society” discussion began the day after the election.

“There’s a text exchange between these two FBI agents, these two supposedly objective facts-centric FBI agents, that perhaps this is the first meeting of the ‘secret society,'” Gowdy said.

“I’m going to want to know what secret society are you talking about, because you are supposed to be investigating objectively the person who just won [by] the electoral college,” he added. “I’m going to want to know.”
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Budget CR needs 60 votes.

The Chucky Shumer Shutdown!

One man can shut down the country!
Only if 40 others go along with him. That means that 41 people can shut down the country.

And yes, Chucky can be hiding within those 41. But he cannot do it single-handedly.
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Had to comment on the Fake News Awards.

When it was announced that DT was going to do them, one of the late night hosts determined that it should be the funniest event ever since DT can't stand that anyone but him gets credit for anything. Therefore it would all go to him.
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Only if 40 others go along with him. That means that 41 people can shut down the country.

And yes, Chucky can be hiding within those 41. But he cannot do it single-handedly.
But one man can shutdown the gov'ment. All he has to do is reject any bill, or offer of one.

That man is a dodger and a weaver ... and blames Obama for the 2013 shutdown, but the buck doesn't stop at his desk ... it's always someone else's fault.
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On Saturday morning, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), one of five Senate Democrats who voted for a stopgap spending bill (five Republicans voted against it), proposed paying the troops during the shut-down, as Congress did in 2013; Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) blocked the measure.

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‘Don’t ever preach to me again!’: Ex-GOP chair tells evangelicals who still support Trump to ‘shut the hell up!’
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It's got to be those darn evangelicals fault!

Let me define today's progessives: those who believe every evil report about Trump, and believe Trump is the source of every problem in the world. They hated Bush who was a moral man, but used to smoke and drink. They hate Trump who is not moral, but never drank, smoked, or used drugs.

Zeek, we're not looking for the next St. Theresa for Prez.
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But one man can shutdown the gov'ment. All he has to do is reject any bill, or offer of one.

That man is a dodger and a weaver ... and blames Obama for the 2013 shutdown, but the buck doesn't stop at his desk ... it's always someone else's fault.
NY Senator Chuck Schumer was so happy when the ANTIFA stormed Trump Tower in Manhatten.

Well, what goes around comes around, and now they are storming his own house.

Oh the irony Chucky!
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Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels
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Trump gets a little stormy with Stormy ... Christians are fine with it.

But don't preach to me about anything ever again. No wonder millennials are rejecting Christianity and the churches ... they see the phoniness. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
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For those of you still in denial about the fabricated "Russian collusion" and other stories promoted by liberal news outlets, you really need some updating. Your "news" is over a year old. The following blurb was extracted from an informed piece. It, of course, will be initially dismissed by you and MSM as a "vast right wing conspiracy," but I think this story will govern all news this year. As usual, Fox News is way ahead of the other outlet.

What we are seeing today at the highest levels of our government should frighten all Americans.

As I laid out in detail in a recent interview for Judicial Watch, discussing the role of Fusion GPS, its interactions with the FBI, and Fusion founder Glenn Simpson's testimony before a Senate committee, the evidence is rapidly emerging that senior officials in our government, most likely up to and including then-president of the United States Barack Obama, worked in concert to illicitly, and possibly criminally, derail the candidacy of the opposition party's presidential candidate using fabricated information (or, as former FBI director James Comey described it, "salacious and unverified") obtained by a private investigations firm from an enemy of the United States: Russia.

Even worse, once that effort to derail that candidacy failed and that candidate, Donald Trump, was elected, those same individuals used the same manufactured evidence as the basis to launch an investigation, employing the vast authority and technical resources of the United States government, whose ultimate goal, I believe, is to impeach and remove that duly elected president.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is a coup d'état. Merriam-Webster defines a coup d'état as a "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics."

While the Hillary-FBI-DOJ-Fusion GPS cabal was not a violent coup, to be sure, it was certainly a decisive exercise of force in politics when it used, as has been reported, a fraud on the court to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on members of the opposing party's presidential campaign. In fact, it is far more insidious than the sort of coups we typically see in Africa and Latin America. It required the subversion and corruption of numerous governmental agencies, not just the FBI – to effect: the Department of Justice and the National Security Agency to be sure, and possibly the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department, and other agencies as well.
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Trump gets a little stormy with Stormy ... Christians are fine with it.

But don't preach to me about anything ever again. No wonder millennials are rejecting Christianity and the churches ... they see the phoniness. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
Who said I was fine with it?

How does the hypocrisy of some idiot besmirch the reputation of hundreds of millions of Christians over the last two millennia?

No wonder people are not listening to this vapid air head analysis.
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Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels. The Family Research Council head says that evangelical conservatives are willing to overlook Trump’s past behavior so long as he delivers for them on policy.

Trump gets a little stormy with Stormy ... Christians are fine with it.

But don't preach to me about anything ever again. No wonder millennials are rejecting Christianity and the churches ... they see the phoniness. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
And Millennials are now embracing the Clinton dynasty! Defenders of all women!

Or perhaps Bernie and his wife, who made a few bucks and destroyed that college in Vermont. But hey Bernie fell in line and they got their new beach house on Lake Champagne.

And who has been preaching to you?

And when did Trump become America's church pastor?

And you assume that all Christians are "fine" with Trump's personal life?
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storming his own house.
Oh the irony Chucky!
Storming? ... didn't that happen with Trump?

Speaking of irony. Stormy said Trump made her spank him with a Forbes magazine ... the one with him, Don Jr. and Ivanka on the cover ; oooh ... sooo ... Stormy ... and kinky.

But Christian's love it. They obviously believe Jesus was wrong about mammon ... but they like the 'he without sin cast the first stone' pericope. They are sinners like Trump ... leaving the impression that even Jesus was a sinner, like them and Trump.

Perchance admitting that, they have all along just been kidding about family values ... cheating right after your wife gives birth is the new Christian way ...

Cuz, must be, in a lost gospel, recently found, Jesus says, "If your wife is unable to satisfy you, seek a porn star." Adding,
"Seek and ye shall find."
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Electricity from renewable sources will soon be cheaper than power from most fossil fuels, according to the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA). In its new report, Renewable Power Generation Costs in 2017, the agency revealed that technology improvements, government take-up and proactive project development has pushed the costs associated with renewable energy to a new low, and that by 2020 renewable power will largely undercut fossil fuel.

Importing fossil fuel is the fundamental cause of our trade deficit and our national debt. Freeing us and many other countries from this cartel has tremendous economic, political, and environmental advantages.

One wonders how disruptive this will be to the existing power structure, i.e. petrodollars?
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And who has been preaching to you?
Right. The local church taught me to have enough sense not to listen to preachers ever again.

Not that I haven't made close friends with many preachers since then. That wouldn't be true at all. I'm drawn to preachers, except the racist ones, and there have been many of them too. But, racist or not, they can take their preaching and shove it.

Witness Lee taught me that preachers are human. And that's the worst you can say about anyone. That's all Christian's problem, and the problem for all religions on the earth as well ; the human problem.

That's especially true of Tony Perkins of the The Family Research Council. How can he tout family values and support Trump? That's just glaring hypocrisy. Shame. Shame. Sad.

(And bro zeek, the flesh is not weak. It clearly dominates. )
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Right. The local church taught me to have enough sense not to listen to preachers ever again.

Not that I haven't made close friends with many preachers since then. That wouldn't be true at all. I'm drawn to preachers, except the racist ones, and there have been many of them too. But, racist or not, they can take their preaching and shove it.

That's especially true of Tony Perkins of the The Family Research Council. How can he tout family values and support Trump? That's just glaring hypocrisy. Shame. Shame. Sad.

So, this Perkins guy came and gave you an earful about Trump?

Did he hit you for money too?

I would be upset too! Sad.
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Zeek, we're not looking for the next St. Theresa for Prez.
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But looking back, what Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky should never have been publicized or prosecuted. It was consensual, though tawdry, and how could anyone blame Clinton for lying to protect his marriage/reputation.
How convenient that you reverse your opinion about moral purity now that your boy the pussy-grabbing philanderer is in the White House. I imagine you stood fast with the majority of Republicans who supported Kenneth Starr's four year $70 million investigation of Bill Clinton when it was going on.

But as you recently demonstrated with your opinion on polls, you have no problem contradicting yourself or your moral judgment in the service of der Fuhrer. That's what makes your political posts so amusing.

Celebrity Spokesmodel Melania apparently doesn't share your magnanimity as she cancelled plans to go to Davos for a glamour photo op on the Orange Bomber's arm.
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How convenient that you reverse your opinion about moral purity now that your boy the pussy-grabbing philanderer is in the White House. I imagine you stood fast with the majority of Republicans who supported Kenneth Starr's four year $70 million investigation of Bill Clinton when it was going on.
How about you keep your posts clean?

How about you stop imagining things about me?

I supported the WhiteWater investigation, not what came of it -- lying to Congress to protect his marriage. And now Muller is payback for it.

And I think you forget that Americans voted for Trump and Pence. Pence's character was above reproach. Today many view Trump's conservative stance (e.g. appointing Neil Gorsuch, speaking at Pro-Life rally, etc.) as a kind of "penance" for some of his past actions. In the same manner, evangelicals forgave W's past partying ways. Now if Bush or Trump were caught in the Oval Office with pretty interns, that would change.
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How about you keep your posts clean?
I can't keep it clean and at the same time speak frankly about Donnie Bratso who effectively lowers the standards of public discourse every day. Been to a sh**hole country lately?

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How about you stop imagining things about me?I supported the WhiteWater investigation, not what came of it -- lying to Congress to protect his marriage. And now Muller is payback for it.
My imaginings were correct.

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And I think you forget that Americans voted for Trump and Pence. Pence's character was above reproach. Today many view Trump's conservative stance (e.g. appointing Neil Gorsuch, speaking at Pro-Life rally, etc.) as a kind of "penance" for some of his past actions. In the same manner, evangelicals forgave W's past partying ways. Now if Bush or Trump were caught in the Oval Office with pretty interns, that would change.
Baloney. Ah Pence, the shameless sycophant. His loving gaze at the Cheeto Benito makes me throw up in my mouth. Reminds me of the lieutenants who fawned over WL.

So, how does your moral calculation work? You add a Puritan and a Libertine together and you get a moral man?

Trump-Evangelicals have abandoned the spirit of Jesus for the spirit of Trump. Trumpangelicals.

So Melania thought the weather in Davos was going to a little too Stormy, eh? Apparently she's not a moral math whiz like you.
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Is all of this intended to distract from the real news?

Trump put a 50% tariff on imported solar panels. This after a study shows that solar generated electricity will be cheaper than fossil fuel by 2020. In that event who would invest in a fossil fuel plant to generate electricity that would take 6 months to a year to clear regulatory hurdles and then another 20 years to pay back investors?

The fig leaf offered is that this tariff would protect manufacturing jobs in the US -- even though we only have two solar panel manufacturers and one of them has already declared bankruptcy. The real jobs in solar are not manufacturing of panels, but rather installation (involves skilled electricians and roofers) and maintenance over the life of the panels. Rather than create jobs or protect jobs this will retard the installation of solar power in this country.

The same thing happened with Britain after the discovery of the industrial revolution. They had a lead, but protected their investment in old technology rather than innovate and update equipment. They were very quickly left in the dust by the US and Germany.
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GOP Sen. Ron Johnson admits there is 'a real possibility' the evidence he used to stoke rumors of an FBI 'secret society' was a joke
1:18 p.m. ET

It is no joke, I have seen the Deep State with my own eyes, in fact it isn't one, it is two different deep states. The first is Arizona with the Grand Canyon, but the second is New Mexico with Carlsbad Caverns.
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Is all of this intended to distract from the real news?

Trump put a 50% tariff on imported solar panels. This after a study shows that solar generated electricity will be cheaper than fossil fuel by 2020. In that event who would invest in a fossil fuel plant to generate electricity that would take 6 months to a year to clear regulatory hurdles and then another 20 years to pay back investors?

The fig leaf offered is that this tariff would protect manufacturing jobs in the US -- even though we only have two solar panel manufacturers and one of them has already declared bankruptcy. The real jobs in solar are not manufacturing of panels, but rather installation (involves skilled electricians and roofers) and maintenance over the life of the panels. Rather than create jobs or protect jobs this will retard the installation of solar power in this country.

The same thing happened with Britain after the discovery of the industrial revolution. They had a lead, but protected their investment in old technology rather than innovate and update equipment. They were very quickly left in the dust by the US and Germany.
I agree that tariff on solar panels is bad but I think the figure is 30% not 50.
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It is no joke, I have seen the Deep State with my own eyes, in fact it isn't one, it is two different deep states. The first is Arizona with the Grand Canyon, but the second is New Mexico with Carlsbad Caverns.
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Has Amazon.com figured out how to eliminate cashiers? Are we going to eliminate truck drivers and taxi drivers?

3d printing is eliminating manufacturing jobs. They even used a 3d printer to make a house. Watson can replace so many jobs of those who provide service via the telephone. Can you imagine roombas replacing maids at hotels? Drones replacing UPS and FedEx?

They are filling cars with tiny sensors connected to the internet to tell the dealer when parts are about to wear out and need to be replaced or fixed. Used to be you needed a great mechanic to diagnose the problem, now the car will do that job itself. Other machines, elevators, etc now have sensors just like cars. Used to need a Super to detect a problem, now these machines just send an email to the service center when they need work.

If you can replace tax preparers with a program, surely you can replace 90% of lawyers with computer programs.

Soldiers are being replaced. Pilots replaced by people operating drones, which will soon become autonomous. Self driving vehicles were sponsored by the military. Robots, drones, and autonomous vehicles are all desirable over putting lives at risk.

The internet has been a body slam to the news industry and magazine publishers. Although you still need journalists they have bots and algorithms that can view the entire web to see what stories are out there. This allows stories from around the world to all be shared with each other. As a result there are far fewer journalists jobs based on the US population. We used to think that computers could never replace writers and translators. But they already have replaced a very big chunk of that work. Think about how much the internet has put the mailman out of business. Likewise with the music store, bookstore, even movie theater.

Can you imagine being 20 years old with the changes coming?
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Has Amazon.com figured out how to eliminate cashiers? Are we going to eliminate truck drivers and taxi drivers?

3d printing is eliminating manufacturing jobs. They even used a 3d printer to make a house. Watson can replace so many jobs of those who provide service via the telephone. Can you imagine roombas replacing maids at hotels? Drones replacing UPS and FedEx?

They are filling cars with tiny sensors connected to the internet to tell the dealer when parts are about to wear out and need to be replaced or fixed. Used to be you needed a great mechanic to diagnose the problem, now the car will do that job itself. Other machines, elevators, etc now have sensors just like cars. Used to need a Super to detect a problem, now these machines just send an email to the service center when they need work.

Can you imagine being 20 years old with the changes coming?
We should tax all these different types of robots, like citizen workers are now.

And make 'em pay for all the tiny robots that will soon be put into our body's, that will keep us alive for up to 300 years.
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Being a racist, a supremacist, and an anti-semite never seemed to be a problem for Barry Hussein.

They solved that little inconvenience by projecting those smears on Trump or any other "problem of the day" like McCain or Romney.
A photograph of then-Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan that was taken in 2005 at a meeting of the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, DC, was released Saturday after a 13-year cover-up to protect Obama’s political career.

Journalist Askia Muhammad told that he took the photograph after Obama had engaged “in a warm conversation with constituent and fellow Chicagoan Minister Louis Farrakhan.” However, he realized that the photograph could endanger Obama’s presidential ambitions, which were already being widely discussed.

Farrakhan is a black supremacist and anti-semite who also holds anti-gay views. Rumors of an association between Obama and Farrakhan circulated during the 2008 presidential campaign in the wake of revelations about Obama’s decades-long membership in the Trinity United Church of Christ, led by the racist preacher Jeremiah Wright.
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Baloney. Ah Pence, the shameless sycophant. His loving gaze at the Cheeto Benito makes me throw up in my mouth. Reminds me of the lieutenants who fawned over WL.
Reminds me of Joe Biden and his army.
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We should tax all these different types of robots, like citizen workers are now.

And make 'em pay for all the tiny robots that will soon be put into our body's, that will keep us alive for up to 300 years.
We do tax them, just like any other machinery or equipment. Manufacturer pays tax, then there is a sales tax. All of the electricity they use is paid to the power company. Repair men are paid and also pay tax, and those that manufacture replacement parts, etc.

IBM Watson is working for Wimbeldon to create video clips based on any question (foot faults, points at net, etc). That is replacing video editors who used to do this.

IBM Watson is replacing salesmen for Northface, Staples, and Macy's. It can find what you want / need. GM is using it in cars to personalize service for the driver. Healthcare providers are doing the same. American Cancer society is using it as an advisor to people who call in with questions. A marketing firm is using Watson to design social media campaigns. Other companies are using Watson to make ads interactive. In England they are using Watson to predict crime. Citibank uses Watson for data analysis and customer service.
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We do tax them, just like any other machinery or equipment. Manufacturer pays tax, then there is a sales tax. All of the electricity they use is paid to the power company. Repair men are paid and also pay tax, and those that manufacture replacement parts, etc.

IBM Watson is working for Wimbeldon to create video clips based on any question (foot faults, points at net, etc). That is replacing video editors who used to do this.

IBM Watson is replacing salesmen for Northface, Staples, and Macy's. It can find what you want / need. GM is using it in cars to personalize service for the driver. Healthcare providers are doing the same. American Cancer society is using it as an advisor to people who call in with questions. A marketing firm is using Watson to design social media campaigns. Other companies are using Watson to make ads interactive. In England they are using Watson to predict crime. Citibank uses Watson for data analysis and customer service.
All the worlds' problems will be solved by 2042.

"An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible. Will you worship it?"

"In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it."
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All the worlds' problems will be solved by 2042.

"An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible. Will you worship it?"

"In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it."
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I am not aware of anything man made that is anything more than a tool. The idea that it will evolve to where we are serving the tool instead of the other way around is pure speculation without any example to point to.

I think what is far more likely, at least in the short term, is that we will become completely dependent on the machines. Since the Agricultural revolution jobs have become so specialized that people can not survive apart from modern society. We are already dependent on so many different functions. With AI it will become all encompassing and very much invisible. In other words the AI will identify our patterns and do things for us that we soon forget how to even do. We saw this with slavery. The owners eventually cannot do anything and are completely dependent on the slaves.
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All the worlds' problems will be solved by 2042.

"An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible. Will you worship it?"

"In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it."
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Is it voluntary, or will you die resisting?
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Is it voluntary, or will you die resisting?
Resistance is futile.
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I would prefer to be a martyr. How about you?
I'll be The Terminator. Or, I'll just unplug the damn thing.
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Tax Incentive Puts More Robots on Factory Floors
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So one interesting example is the ubiquitous camera. Everyone now is carrying a smart phone with a camera and video camera. Some people even wear these cameras like Google's products that use AI to decide what pictures to take and what to delete. As a result it is much harder for someone to be a full time photographer, but on the other hand we now have much better pictures of every event.

Student shootings in schools are no longer some reporter outside the building, but rather smart phone images inside the building at the time of the attack.

When the news is looking for a person of interest in a crime there is almost always a decent photo of the person that they can show.

Train crashes, terrorist attacks, some idiot biting a cell phone battery. We don't simply get the photo from a reporter thirty minutes later, we get to see photos and videos live, as the event unfolds.

I think we would all agree that there are much better pictures now than thirty years ago, and yet the possibility of someone being a professional photographer is harder. If you hire a photographer for the wedding three fourths of the best photos will come from everyone's smart phone. So people still do hire them for a couple of official pictures, but it becomes less and less necessary. As these cameras get better and cheaper no one needs to be a "professional" to have top quality equipment.
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Billy Graham's Granddaughter Says What We're All Thinking About Trump's Evangelical Enablers
His religious supporters are hypocrites who "send the wrong message to the world about what Christianity is."

Scuitto asked if Evangelicals, including her uncle Franklin Graham and grandfather, would be as lenient if former President Barack Obama had an extramarital affair with a porn star. “I think we all know the answer to that,” Armfield responded, dismissing her own relatives as "these Evangelicals."

Armfield later said that she wished Evangelicals who support Trump's policies on subjects like abortion would have the decency to say Trump's behavior "disgusts" them, because Evangelicals are "sending the wrong message to the world about what Christianity is."

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Here's an encouraging article: "Defeat is inevitable. Everybody knows it, even Trump: Washington’s legal immune system is about to expel an infection from the body politic."

https://www.salon.com/2018/01/27/def...it-even-trump/
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Decades before he ran the Trump campaign, Paul Manafort’s pursuit of foreign cash and shady deals laid the groundwork for the corruption of Washington.

Last year, a group of Manafort’s longtime friends, led by an old Republican hand named Bill Greener, tried to organize a cadre of surrogates to defend Manafort from the allegations against him, including the worst one: that he collaborated with a hostile foreign power to subvert the American democratic process. Manafort’s old partner Charlie Black even showed up for a meeting, though the two had largely fallen out of touch. A few of the wheel men from the old firm wanted to help too. Yet, when volunteers were needed to go on TV as character witnesses, nobody raised his hand. “There wasn’t a lot to work with,” one person contacted by this group told me. “And nobody could be sure that Paul didn’t do it.” In fact, everything about the man and the life he chose suggests that he did.
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After what happened with the collapse of the housing market it should be abundantly clear to everyone how utterly corrupt our government is.

Rating agencies like Moodys and Standard and Poor's were simply selling their ratings.

All of the banks were well aware of how utterly corrupt their fraud was, but had no fear, knowing the politicians would never prosecute them and would bail them out with tax payer money.

Step 1 fleece the country blind.

Step 2 when it all collapses get bailed out by taxpayers and fleece them a second time.

Step 3 -- no substantive change to the laws -- business as usual.

Step 4 -- blame the immigrants and poor.

Manafort is simply a peak behind the curtain. The mortgage crisis was solid evidence that Jezebel is running the country.
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Manafort is peanuts. He worked for Trump and was let go. Nothing to see here folks, move along please.

Today Deputy FBI director McCabe was released. If he ordered witness 302's to be altered, he will be fired and indicted. He lied about Hillary emails, he was point of contact on phony Trump dossier used to obtain FISA, his wife took close to a million for senate run, he supervised the "secret weapon" to save us from our democratically elected president. He is covered in filth. He weaponized out national surveillance for political gain. This makes Watergate look like shoplifting candy bars.

My brother went to school with his predecessor Mark F. Giuliano. Great guy. Honest guy. Why did he leave? That's the untold story I would like to know. Obviously not "loyal enough" for Comey, Lynch, Obama.

More resignations are coming. Probably Rosenstein is next. They are all lawyering up. Within a week the whole thing will collapse when the House memo is released to the public.

What ever happened to Russia, Russia, Russia? Collusion delusion! The accusations against Trump never materialized. Why? No evidence! It was deception and corruption as deep as the Grand Canyon. So says ZNP. And you good folks say our media is fair. All your news is a year old.

Sorry you guys were deceived so badly. Happens to liberals all the time.
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Manafort is peanuts. He worked for Trump and was let go. Nothing to see here folks, move along please.

Today Deputy FBI director McCabe was released. If he ordered witness 302's to be altered, he will be fired and indicted. He lied about Hillary emails, he was point of contact on phony Trump dossier used to obtain FISA, his wife took close to a million for senate run, he supervised the "secret weapon" to save us from our democratically elected president. He is covered in filth. He weaponized out national surveillance for political gain. This makes Watergate look like shoplifting candy bars.

My brother went to school with his predecessor Mark F. Giuliano. Great guy. Honest guy. Why did he leave? That's the untold story I would like to know. Obviously not "loyal enough" for Comey, Lynch, Obama.

More resignations are coming. Probably Rosenstein is next. They are all lawyering up. Within a week the whole thing will collapse when the House memo is released to the public.

What ever happened to Russia, Russia, Russia? Collusion delusion! The accusations against Trump never materialized. Why? No evidence! It was deception and corruption as deep as the Grand Canyon. So says ZNP. And you good folks say our media is fair. All your news is a year old.

Sorry you guys were deceived so badly. Happens to liberals all the time.
To be fair I was confirming the Republican senator's claim that there is a deep state. I have seen it (Arizona) and it is impressively deep. Also, there is a far more subtle and discreet deep state (New Mexico) which I have also seen first hand. Just trying to be helpful.

All jokes aside, we are at a transitional phase of the world's economy. There will be a great disruption to the existing power structure of petrodollars, and there will be an accompanying disruption to existing jobs. No longer will the US be so incredibly dominant as it once was (at one point our domestic product was equal to the rest of the world's), we are going to become a partner among equals. Some countries like Germany and Japan will be every bit as developed and cutting edge, though with slightly smaller populations, others like China and India will be a powerhouse in population and resources, but perhaps slightly lagging in development.

This is a very tough time for many people, but just like the transition during the industrial revolution these changes actually benefit everyone. It is not a 0 sum game.

What happened to Britain during that transition? They jumped out to an early lead and then sat on it and were completely passed by. A protectionist, anti immigrant, pull up the drawbridge attitude is simply going to allow China, Germany, Japan and the rest pass us by. Tariffs on solar is, imo, idiotic. Blaming immigrants when the real villains are the bankers and politicians, is criminal.
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To be fair I was confirming the Republican senator's claim that there is a deep state. I have seen it (Arizona) and it is impressively deep. Also, there is a far more subtle and discreet deep state (New Mexico) which I have also seen first hand. Just trying to be helpful.

All jokes aside, we are at a transitional phase of the world's economy. There will be a great disruption to the existing power structure of petrodollars, and there will be an accompanying disruption to existing jobs. No longer will the US be so incredibly dominant as it once was (at one point our domestic product was equal to the rest of the world's), we are going to become a partner among equals. Some countries like Germany and Japan will be every bit as developed and cutting edge, though with slightly smaller populations, others like China and India will be a powerhouse in population and resources, but perhaps slightly lagging in development.

This is a very tough time for many people, but just like the transition during the industrial revolution these changes actually benefit everyone. It is not a 0 sum game.

What happened to Britain during that transition? They jumped out to an early lead and then sat on it and were completely passed by. A protectionist, anti immigrant, pull up the drawbridge attitude is simply going to allow China, Germany, Japan and the rest pass us by. Tariffs on solar is, imo, idiotic. Blaming immigrants when the real villains are the bankers and politicians, is criminal.
Britain got "passed by" because of the way they treated the Jews during WWII. They blockaded Israel preventing their return and safety of the Jews in Israel.

And Deep State referred to those in Gov't (DOJ, WH, FBI, NSA, CIA) who exonerated Clinton and Obama, and attempted to destroy the Trump presidency.
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Britain got "passed by" because of the way they treated the Jews during WWII. They blockaded Israel preventing their return and safety of the Jews in Israel.

And Deep State referred to those in Gov't (DOJ, WH, FBI, NSA, CIA) who exonerated Clinton and Obama, and attempted to destroy the Trump presidency.
Britain was passed by economically long before WWII. By the time of Rockefeller and Carnegie we had already gone by them. Britain was the birthplace of the modern industrial revolution, they were the supreme super power at one point in time, but they were happy to stop innovating. Some historians described Imperialism as a process by which it didn't matter that Britain was no longer innovating.

I know what a "Deep State" is and I find the idea absurd and ridiculous. Not least in the fact that the "smoking gun text" was obviously a joke.
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Republicans on a House panel voted to release a secret memo said to accuse the F.B.I. of misusing its authority in the Russia inquiry. They're circling the wagons by attacking the F.B.I. in a desperate move to save Trump. Looks like the train wreck that is Trump is about to hit the wall.
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Republicans on a House panel voted to release a secret memo said to accuse the F.B.I. of misusing its authority in the Russia inquiry. They're circling the wagons by attacking the F.B.I. in a desperate move to save Trump. Looks like the train wreck that is Trump is about to hit the wall.
Yes, but they definitely expect him to take as many other crooks down with him. I am still fuming about the whole "too big to jail" attitude of our corrupt politicians.

Just so you know how anathema the whole situation was, the only bank that was prosecuted during the whole mortgage crisis was a tiny bank in Flushing, NY called Abacus. It was a family owned bank based very much on the model in "A wonderful life". He was helping poor immigrants uncomfortable with American banking to get a house, credit, etc.

Defending himself against the DA cost him $10 million. In the end the jury found him not guilty of a single charge (and there were thousands) and this was at a time when the American people wanted some bank, any bank, to pay.

One of the things in this banks favor was that they had one of the absolutely lowest default rates on mortgages in the country. It was an example of "don't let a good crisis go to waste". These corrupt bankers saw this as an opportunity to put banks like this out of business.
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Britain was passed by economically long before WWII. By the time of Rockefeller and Carnegie we had already gone by them. Britain was the birthplace of the modern industrial revolution, they were the supreme super power at one point in time, but they were happy to stop innovating. Some historians described Imperialism as a process by which it didn't matter that Britain was no longer innovating.
Not exactly. Carnegie launched his empire using the Bessemer process developed in England. Carnegie built his empire using immigrant "slave" labor from Europe, long before unions. The US outpaced Britain due to natural resources.

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Time will tell. You are obviously still watching them Fake News Networks.

Where's the apology for accusing Trump of Russian collusion? That story has long died and is rotting in liberal dumpsters.
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Republicans on a House panel voted to release a secret memo said to accuse the F.B.I. of misusing its authority in the Russia inquiry. They're circling the wagons by attacking the F.B.I. in a desperate move to save Trump. Looks like the train wreck that is Trump is about to hit the wall.
And Andrew McCabe was removed from office without overwhelming evidence of corruption after overseeing Hilary's sham investigation and subverting Trump's election??? Seriously??? According to the "insurance policy" coup plan hatched in his office, he was supposed to protect all his cronies after Hilary won. Lock him up without his cushy pension!

Strzok, who was at the center of both FBI episodes, and his lover Lisa Page will be indicted as his "thugs." Rod Rosenstein at DOJ will resign shortly. No. 4 guy at FBI Bruce Ohr and his wife Nelly are history, being the phony Trump Dossier guardians. The whole house of cards is coming down. Time will tell whether these fine folks will implicate Comey, Lynch, Hilary, and Obama. But let's leave Muller alone while he wastes taxpayer money.

But zeek and company are still screaming Russia, Russia, Russia. His "news" is a year old, or more, and rotting in the dumpster. He loves his democratic process until the "wrong" guy gets elected. His ends justify any and all criminal means. It's only a "witch hunt" when liberals are on the hot seat.
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Not exactly. Carnegie launched his empire using the Bessemer process developed in England. Carnegie built his empire using immigrant "slave" labor from Europe, long before unions. The US outpaced Britain due to natural resources.


Time will tell. You are obviously still watching them Fake News Networks.

Where's the apology for accusing Trump of Russian collusion? That story has long died and is rotting in liberal dumpsters.
Yes, the Bessemer process was invented in England but they didn't adopt it, because they didn't want to upgrade their equipment. One reason was that the labor party was powerful and every time you upgrade people lose jobs. So even though jobs were created by using the more efficient methods, some of the jobs protected by the unions would be eliminated.

Why should I apologize? All I said was I would wait for the investigation to be finished. That is what I am doing. That is the proper thing to do.
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I know what a "Deep State" is and I find the idea absurd and ridiculous. Not least in the fact that the "smoking gun text" was obviously a joke.

Why should I apologize? All I said was I would wait for the investigation to be finished. That is what I am doing. That is the proper thing to do.
Oh OK, your other comments were just jokes. I must have missed that.
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