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Old 09-17-2020, 04:13 AM   #1
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Smile 可以有中文版的嗎?(Translated into English)

這裡提出的問題,很多華語聖徒根本不知道。John Ingalls 曾經教過我,我都不知道他離開LSM了。LC的教導方式的確和JW,Mormons 很像,可是問題是華語聖徒不知道,似乎也無從知道,似乎也不會提出問題,就是上頭怎麼說,底下就怎麼做。非 常希望能有中文版面,讓華語聖徒也知道真相。謝謝。

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"Many Chinese-speaking saints do not know the question raised here. John Ingalls taught me once, and I don't even know he left LSM. The teaching method of LC is indeed similar to that of JW and Mormons, but the problem is that the Chinese-speaking saints don’t know, they don’t seem to know, and they don’t seem to ask questions, just what they say at the top, and do what at the bottom. I very much hope that there will be a Chinese page so that Chinese-speaking saints can also know the truth. Thank you."
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Old 09-18-2020, 08:28 PM   #2
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Default Re: 可以有中文版的嗎?(Translated into English)

Is there anyone who knows Chinese well enough to tell us if the Google translate is an accurate rendition of what was posted?

Chinese-speaking saints make up a respectable portion of the LC as a whole, and it's true.....if there was some good, solid, condensed posts and information that could be translated into Chinese, that would be valuable. What I mean is kind of like hitting the basics of the issues of the LC - the errors of deputy authority, of the ground of locality, of mind and behavior control, of tactics used by abusive leaders and matching those tactics right up with the well-known cliches sprinkled throughout the LC, and numerous other issues. If they could be written from the perspective of someone who knows Chinese culture, that may go a long way.
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Old 10-16-2020, 06:22 PM   #3
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我在地方教會聚會,聖徒們彼此相愛,這點很好,但是我知道地方教會的真理教導是有問題的。但是多數聖徒因為 接受信息、教導,從來不質疑,或許有疑問也不敢提出,怕被冠上“搞破壞”的帽子。我參加聚會,聽長老們、聖 徒們的申言,有些是我會以“阿們”回應,有些我就抱持沉默,因為我知道那些內容是錯的。我也不覺得長老們教 導的真理是“高峰真理”。我常常問自己,該繼續留在地方教會聚會嗎?我知道我留下是因為聖徒們之間的彼此相 愛,忠心服事主,不是因為長老們常說的“我們有高峰真理”。

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"I meet in the Local Church and the saints love each other, which is good, but I know that the truth teaching of the Local Church is problematic. However, most saints have never questioned because they receive information and teachings, and perhaps they dare not raise questions, for fear of being labeled as 'destroying'. I attended the meeting and listened to the prophecies of the elders and saints. For some, I would respond with 'Amen', and for some, I kept silent because I knew the content was wrong. I also don't think the truth taught by the elders is the 'high peak truth'. I often ask myself, should I continue to meet in the Local Church? I know that I stayed because the saints love each other and serve the Lord faithfully, not because the elders often say 'We have the highest truth'."
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Old 10-17-2020, 09:20 AM   #4
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我在地方教會聚會,聖徒們彼此相愛,這點很好,但是我知道地方教會的真理教導是有問題的。但是多數聖徒因為 接受信息、教導,從來不質疑,或許有疑問也不敢提出,怕被冠上“搞破壞”的帽子。我參加聚會,聽長老們、聖 徒們的申言,有些是我會以“阿們”回應,有些我就抱持沉默,因為我知道那些內容是錯的。我也不覺得長老們教 導的真理是“高峰真理”。我常常問自己,該繼續留在地方教會聚會嗎?我知道我留下是因為聖徒們之間的彼此相 愛,忠心服事主,不是因為長老們常說的“我們有高峰真理”。

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"I meet in the Local Church and the saints love each other, which is good, but I know that the truth teaching of the Local Church is problematic. However, most saints have never questioned because they receive information and teachings, and perhaps they dare not raise questions, for fear of being labeled as 'destroying'. I attended the meeting and listened to the prophecies of the elders and saints. For some, I would respond with 'Amen', and for some, I kept silent because I knew the content was wrong. I also don't think the truth taught by the elders is the 'high peak truth'. I often ask myself, should I continue to meet in the Local Church? I know that I stayed because the saints love each other and serve the Lord faithfully, not because the elders often say 'We have the highest truth'."
Hopefully there is an English-to-Chinese Google translate option......

It is true that the saints love each other, but it's a conditional love based on your being a member in their group. The love ends, and ends harshly, when you walk out the doors. The Bible speaks negatively of this kind of love.

Luke 6:32, 35
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
35 But love your enemies, do good to them...

The local churches as a group neither love their enemies nor do good to them. They make everyone their enemy and then sue them.

Your words "dare not raise questions" and "for fear of being labeled" are two gigantic red flags of unhealthy, aberrant "Christian" groups. This atmosphere is not what God sent His Son to die for.

The social connections in the local church are the hardest thing to lose if you decide not to meet, but to me, if you know what is being taught is not according to the truth, and if you know the attitude and arrogance against other Christians is wrong, and if you are already speaking of an atmosphere of fear.....too many bad things start to pile up and it becomes time to go. The local churches will not change without God Himself intervening. It's up to the individual to take steps for the health of their own lives.

I usually try to just speak negatively of the elders/co-workers who propagate the unsound doctrine or of the general milieu of the local churches as a whole, and leave the saints in general alone, but even to say the saints "serve the Lord faithfully" now hits me as not totally true anymore either. They serve "a vision", they serve "the ministry", they serve "God's economy" (which isn't Biblical the way Lee taught it), and they serve "the Lord's Recovery".

But none of those things are the living God. None of them.

I know God sees their hearts and some of them are truly deceived and genuinely think they are serving the Lord, and the judgment for that is 100% in His hands, but I can't help but be reminded of the elitist, "we are the genuine church and no one else is", "WE have the high peaks", "WE are in the center of God's move"......and question what god they are serving.

They use the gospel to snare people, and then use "openness to Witness Lee's ministry" as the test for whether to keep people. It's sick.
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