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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It seems that the posters here cannot distinguish between a "Trump rally" and a "Trump mob." It's all playing with words.

Let me suggest that a "mob" will not be confined to a rally auditorium, rather will be on the streets often with masked men, weapons, and violence.

Fine, the white supremacist rallies for Trump and the KKK support for Trump would then fall under your definition for a "Trump mob". The post in question that you quoted was in fact based on that context. The pro Trump mob was outside, and involved a car running over protesters, unconfined, on the street, with weapons and violence.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Fine, the white supremacist rallies for Trump and the KKK support for Trump would then fall under your definition for a "Trump mob". The post in question that you quoted was in fact based on that context. The pro Trump mob was outside, and involved a car running over protesters, unconfined, on the street, with weapons and violence.

I hate these neo-KKK types, but that city gave them a permit to protest.

Antifa showed up to fight. Should have just ignored the KKK's. Who were they hurting? If ANTIFA comes to fight, they bear the brunt of the responsibility and should not be endorsed by the Press or you.

Today, the biggest danger we have is not these KKK's, but the ANTIFA's. ANTIFA attacked the Portland Patriot Prayer rally. Once we allow ANTIFA to shutdown speakers on the Berkley campus or a Prayer in Portland rally, what good are our 1st Amendment rights to free speech?

No, my friend, the violence we have today is one-sided. Just look at who is wearing the masks.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I hate these neo-KKK types, but that city gave them a permit to protest.

Antifa showed up to fight. Should have just ignored the KKK's. Who were they hurting? If ANTIFA comes to fight, they bear the brunt of the responsibility and should not be endorsed by the Press or you.

Today, the biggest danger we have is not these KKK's, but the ANTIFA's. ANTIFA attacked the Portland Patriot Prayer rally. Once we allow ANTIFA to shutdown speakers on the Berkley campus or a Prayer in Portland rally, what good are our 1st Amendment rights to free speech?

No, my friend, the violence we have today is one-sided. Just look at who is wearing the masks.

Once again, you are right, proving the point.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hard to find violence on the right.

Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#12c463ba1e74

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/53325...iolence-rising

Violence has been ratcheting up on all sides during white supremacist rallies in recent months — but "antifa" is not planning the rallies, and statistically poses a lesser danger.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/...ually-violent/

"US government data revealed a long record of homicides inspired by Far Right extremism: 106 people died in 62 attacks from 2001 to the end of 2016. Far Left groups over that same period caused no fatalities." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZNro3uric

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#12c463ba1e74

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/53325...iolence-rising

Violence has been ratcheting up on all sides during white supremacist rallies in recent months — but "antifa" is not planning the rallies, and statistically poses a lesser danger.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/...ually-violent/

According to a 2017 survey from Pew Research Center, gun owners are more likely to live in rural areas and vote Republican. This rural tilt helps explain why guns kill so many people in Republican-leaning counties.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0732b144992e

Not to hear Fox News and bro Ohio tell it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Terrorists inspired by Nationalist and Right Wing ideology have killed about 10 times as many people as Left Wing terrorists since 1992. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#12c463ba1e74

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.
https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/53325...iolence-rising

Violence has been ratcheting up on all sides during white supremacist rallies in recent months — but "antifa" is not planning the rallies, and statistically poses a lesser danger.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/08/...ually-violent/

"US government data revealed a long record of homicides inspired by Far Right extremism: 106 people died in 62 attacks from 2001 to the end of 2016. Far Left groups over that same period caused no fatalities." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZNro3uric

That is the problem when you fashion your message to the lowest common denominator.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

That is the problem when you fashion your message to the lowest common denominator.

And everybody knows that Hitler's National Socialistic Party of "Right Wing" Christian conservatives killed millions, thus "proving" how well behaved all socialists, communists, and fascists are.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And everybody knows that Hitler's National Socialistic Party of "Right Wing" Christian conservatives killed millions, thus "proving" how well behaved all socialists, communists, and fascists are.

Without a doubt Hitler's message was directed at the lowest common denominator. He was especially bitter about the loss in WWI. Just like today, there are losers in the trade agreements made between nations like NAFTA, the losers in those deals are all big supporters of Trump.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And everybody knows that Hitler's National Socialistic Party of "Right Wing" Christian conservatives killed millions, thus "proving" how well behaved all socialists, communists, and fascists are.

That's your partisan spin. I cited information from the Global Terrorism Database, the RAND Corporation, Cato institute and other sources. You ignored it and chose to resort to an ironic straw-man argument rather than look at facts. That's an unprincipled thing to do. If everybody does that, this country is screwed. We should oppose violence as far as possible regardless of which side of the political debate we are on.