I'm Still In The Lord's Recovery, But I Never Really Understood This

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

...The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

The "elders" can be grossly insensitive. The person who helped me most was not even a Christian, but what I can only characterize as a "raw" unbeliever. Yet he helped me when I needed it most. The "elder" only called me out for missing meetings.

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I hear what you’re saying about a “bunch of church kids” who “don’t get out much,” but we in the Midwest LC’s found out how very exclusive the Blended Brothers were when they excommunicated us. I had given my best decades to the Recovery, only to find out how divisive the Anaheim leadership post-Witness Lee had actually become. I was shocked. My church value system exploded.

Originally Posted by Nell

The "elders" can be grossly insensitive. The person who helped me most was not even a Christian, but what I can only characterize as a "raw" unbeliever. Yet he helped me when I needed it most. The "elder" only called me out for missing meetings.

Nell

I understand what you mean - Honestly, one thing I've found in common amongst pretty much 99% of LC members are that, they can't even realize what they've done wrong or neither do they apologize for a tiny little matters which was all caused by them.

That tells me that most of them are not humble (too bad for them) but ain't no one got time to deal with those shallow minded individuals. Overtime, I've learned to ignore them at all cost and move on.

Not being humbled = not apologizing to anyone and mocking other Christians outside LC.

All they care about is knowledge, and not love or helping others. If you're up to their standard they like you, if you're not up to their standard like me, they ignore the hell out of you lol.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I hear what you’re saying about a “bunch of church kids” who “don’t get out much,” but we in the Midwest LC’s found out how very exclusive the Blended Brothers were when they excommunicated us. I had given my best decades to the Recovery, only to find out how divisive the Anaheim leadership post-Witness Lee had actually become. I was shocked. My church value system exploded.

Sorry that you had to go through this. But on the other hand, them doing something like that (excommunicating others) you realize where they are at spiritually. You'd have to feel sorry for them for doing something like that.

At that moment, I'm sure you realized the only person you can truly trust is the Lord. I've been excommunicated a couple of times, so I'm 100% with you.

I'm not really sure what they mean by "division" because it's usually caused by LC members. It's typically someone said or did something terrible to those individuals. They need to own up and apologize like a humbled person, and divisions could've been avoided.

Most people in my generation left the church because of someone else within LC offending them to the uttermost (let's not forget they (LC members) still, to this day, don't apologize).

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

Locality aside, the actual ministry they subscribe to is very exclusive. While some localities may be less, the LSM content is. It’s important to separate the two.

[Zezima]

Also, why is this reply to my thread, now a new thread? Why are the mods trying to control the discussion?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Zezima

Locality aside, the actual ministry they subscribe to is very exclusive. While some localities may be less, the LSM content is. It’s important to separate the two.

I have concluded that there is some "feel good pride" in their ministry that appeals to our fallen self. Continually hearing and reading that only we had all the riches of Christ made me feel special. Being regularly equipped to condemn all other Christians and churches lifted me up. Actually pride is such a wonderful feeling, and so "enjoyable." It's no wonder we can be so easily deceived and puffed up by all of the knowledge we received.

[UntoHim]

Sorry bro. Z, I made this a new thread to give the new guy a venue to give a further "Introduction and Testimony"...cause, ya know, that's what this sub-forum is all about. So let's see what develops with our new friend and maybe we can move the "What is the point of control" thread over to the main section where it belongs. Fair enough?
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[UntoHim]

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UntoHim and Nell
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[LeftLR]

i was in Anaheim for few years and personally experienced verbal warming and "right-on-to-my-face" about me as a bad Christian, from leading men / core leaders in LSM. One person even told me my salvation is in-valid and i have to dump my non-Recovery Bible to trash or burn it or i will go to hell.

[Trapped]

I can confirm that I have heard speaking that any other version of the Bible is considered "leaven" and only the Recovery Version is "pure" and full of riches.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

I'm no expert. I can't always smell euphemisms when they're drifting in the air. But what I bought into about one church one city took on the smell of a euphemism ... or maybe a grand irony.

Seems inclusivity is a euphemism ... for being exclusive ; exclusive's pushing inclusivity. They were cancel culture before it became popular.

But maybe what I smell is what was said by Nee/Lee of T. Austin Sparks, that he was passing gas.

There's certainly the smell of gas in the local churches of Witness Lee ; it's called MOTA.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Trapped

I can confirm that I have heard speaking that any other version of the Bible is considered "leaven" and only the Recovery Version is "pure" and full of riches.

“Back in my day” living in the wild, wild, Midwest LC region aka greater Cleveland, I knew many brothers who talked about having many versions of the Bible. Literally dozens. Some would frequent used book stores looking for “gold.” I was by no means a serious collector, but even I had more than a dozen, including a rare Godspeed, I think found while escorting my wife yardsailing on vacation. Nowadays with Bible apps even the newborn Christian can digitally access every version known to man.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have concluded that there is some "feel good pride" in their ministry that appeals to our fallen self. Continually hearing and reading that only we had all the riches of Christ made me feel special. Being regularly equipped to condemn all other Christians and churches lifted me up. Actually pride is such a wonderful feeling, and so "enjoyable." It's no wonder we can be so easily deceived and puffed up by all of the knowledge we received.

In the first chapters of 1 Corinthians, Paul exposes the pride the Corinthinans had by selectively and exclusively choosing someone to follow whom they thought was the wisest or greatest. Paul tells them that on the contrary, those they have chosen are just servants and nothing and that believing they are something and exclusively following them is divisive, inmature, wordly, the way of man, unscriptural and pride.

What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,”a or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul. 1 Cor. 1:12-13.

Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. 1 Cor. 1:31

For you are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and dissension among you, are you not worldly? Are you not walking in the way of man? 4For when one of you says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere men? 5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? They are servants through whom you believed, as the Lord has assigned to each his role. 1 Cor. 3:3-5.

So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 1 Cor. 3:7

Therefore, stop boasting in men. 1 Cor. 3:21

So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 1 Cor. 4:1

Brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written. Then you will not take pride in one man over another. 7 For who makes you so superior?. 1 Cor. 4:6-7

[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

The recovery’s fake, made up, jesus, gospel, and “church”, cannot help nobody!!! They use all the good Christian vocabulary, but it’s as dead as the man that invented it! Good luck to those who still a full time subscribers, hopefully before it’s all set and done, there will be a moment in everyone’s lives when you actually do some thorough testing of the ways and the teachings. There is only one hope, and one chance, that’s the Almighty God somehow intervenes in the current state of affairs. I pray He does, for the sake of those real believers who got duped by the cunning ways, and the deception of man!

[LeftLR]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

The recovery’s fake, made up, jesus, gospel, and “church”, cannot help nobody!!! They use all the good Christian vocabulary, but it’s as dead as the man that invented it! Good luck to those who still a full time subscribers, hopefully before it’s all set and done, there will be a moment in everyone’s lives when you actually do some thorough testing of the ways and the teachings. There is only one hope, and one chance, that’s the Almighty God somehow intervenes in the current state of affairs. I pray He does, for the sake of those real believers who got duped by the cunning ways, and the deception of man!

Agree, Paul .. As I am reading 2 Peter chapter 2, Recovery movement full with false teachers and destruction opinions. Like 2 Peter 2:10 "10 This is especially true for those who follow after the corrupt cravings of the sinful nature and defy the Lord’s authority. These reckless, brash people aren’t afraid to insult the glorious ones"

[Zezima]

Originally Posted by Paul Vusik

The recovery’s fake, made up, jesus, gospel

I have a hard time agreeing with the gospel in the LR being fake. I was brought to salvation through this group. What about the gospel do you think they fabricated?

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Zezima

I have a hard time agreeing with the gospel in the LR being fake. I was brought to salvation through this group. What about the gospel do you think they fabricated?

I too got truly saved, filled with the Holy Spirit, truly experience The Precious Blood of Jesus cleansing me and making me whole in 1975 in spite of the many road blocks Satan put in my path to discourage me. My salvation was strong and secure.

However as I have stated many times, by 1977, the church was becoming more about Witness Lee than it was about Jesus our Beloved Savior, King and Friend.

So I left. Did the gospel change in TLR by 1980? I was not there. But my walk with the Lord has grown very close and stronger especially in the last 10 years. We will soon hear the TRUMPET. Glory to our King. Prayers and blessings for all of God’s people especially those hurt and discouraged

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Zezima

I have a hard time agreeing with the gospel in the LR being fake. I was brought to salvation through this group. What about the gospel do you think they fabricated?

My friend Zezima, let me assure you that you were brought to salvation by God himself - through his Word and your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, that he died and was resurrected on the third day, and that your sins are cast as far as the East is from the West because of the blood that He shed on the cross. This is the irreducible and unadulterated Gospel, and if this is the Gospel which was preached to you, and if this is the Gospel which you believed, your salvation is sure and secured, and nothing that is posted on some Internet forum is going to change this fact.

But there is also another fact. There are at least two gospels which are preached and taught in the Local Church - one is the true, biblical Gospel which I have shorthanded above, and the other would be the gospel according to Witness Lee. This gospel contains many of the elements I have listed above, but Lee's gospel has corrupted, adulterated, twisted and added to the genuine Gospel.
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[Paul Vusik]

Originally Posted by Zezima

I have a hard time agreeing with the gospel in the LR being fake. I was brought to salvation through this group. What about the gospel do you think they fabricated?

Zezima,

I’m sorry that I didn’t respond to this right away, it’s been a busy week for me. I appreciate Untohim chiming in on this. I will just state my case like this: I do believe that there are genuine born again believers that are in recovery and have come through there. There are people there who read the Word and were preach real Christ because their lives have been changed and they had at one point or another became true believers, by putting their faith in Christ alone. But for the most part, the Gospel and the Jesus that’s is presented by Nee/Lee is a mystical, ghostical, experience of emotional exercise, self fulfilling, futile daily resuscitation techniques, that have no power to save or change a person’s life. It’s self deception on the highest of levels, that’s plays on two most vulnerable human senses: fear, and want to belong or be a part of something bigger that them. It’s an addictive drug of choice, for people to escape reality of life, get out of their mind, and let some “spirit” to control all aspects of ones being. That’s not the Jesus of the Bible, nor does that Jesus has any power to save. This Jesus doesn’t exist, it’s just His name being used for recruiting purposes, because otherwise no one would ever buy this junk that nether of those man are selling. (You should also look into how and what these man view Jesus, compared to Biblical Christian view. There are threads here that touch on some of the issues, regarding Divinity, His death, understanding of who He is today for us, and there are other things that pertain to dispensing that are totally absent from the Bible). So when you peel of the layers, it’s pretty obvious that we’re not talking about the same person. Over the past couple years, I have been told this on multiple occasions from people of TLR, so I had to do a lot digging into the subject myself.

It’s interesting that in my recent discussion with someone who had been in TLR for 30+ years, they mentioned to me, that they were told that the Gospel they preached to a person was “too Christian like” and was “a soul saving” or “soulish” rather that what the Lee/Nee said, and they should stop preaching that Gospel. Makes me sick to hear that, but that’s the reality. The goal of the so called “recovery”, is not to have people saved and be born again, life’s to be changed, but it’s rather to get them hooked on to the plague dispensary of Nee/Lee, and LSM, and to continue promoting the garbage “visions and “revelations” of both man”.
I know it’s sounds harsh, but the really is what it is. You have to call a duck, a duck, when you see one.

Also, couple of side notes:
1. I have made a decision to cut off most of my participation in this forum for forceable future, so if I don’t respond to some questions and requests, please forgive me.
2. The issue of getting into a sprit, or exercising your spirit, emptying your mind etc, have very odd connections to certain practices. I don’t think that’s it’s appropriate discussion on this forum, so if anyone is interested, do some research where they got that from.

Thanks all.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I'm still in the Lord's Recovery, but I never really understood this. They are actually every exclusive (depends on the locality, not all are like that). Unfortunately, if your locality has a bunch of church kids who know nothing about the world out there, it becomes exclusive and thus, become divisive. They often judge and laugh about other Christians (personal experience, not everyone).

I don't really associate with the ones that are like that because to me, it's pathetic and sad. But we all know, even the church we all go to, will eventually degrade. The Lord's Recovery, at this point to me, feels like we are no exception from this and are headed this way (this is excepted).

The members are also insensitive and can't consider others. When I went through hard moment in my life, it was always non-LC Christians who helped me.

I’m sorry. This is a natural consequence of lack of mental/spiritual diversity, group think, and tribalism. There are sweet ppl in the group, but the overall lack of empathy and true emotion is nothing short of creepy. It’s hard to see clearly until you’re out. Good luck!