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Old 06-16-2024, 10:37 PM   #1
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Default Is Christ Both the Creator and a Creature?

Witness Lee stated that Christ is both the creator and a creature. Is the correct?
Here is the statement: https://contendingforthefaith.org/en...rist/#creature

Witness Lee twisted meaning of "the Firstborn of all creation" in Colossians 1:15. Witness Lee said that "the Firstborn of all creation" means Christ is the "Firstborn of all creation, the First of all creatures", but the phrase should be interpreted to express Christ’s sovereignty over creation instead.

Does Jesus's human body make him a creature? Does it imply that the second person of Trinity is also a creature? This claim caused a huge theological debate among chinese theologians. Also, this issue is more complex under Lee's modalistic teaching. Under the modalistic view, there is only one person in the Godhead, Witness Lee's claim makes the entire Godhead also a creature.


Below are the answers I have found.
https://www.gotquestions.org/was-Jesus-created.html
https://www.catholic.com/qa/is-jesus-a-creature
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Old 06-21-2024, 03:04 PM   #2
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No! Christ is not both the Creator and a Creature. Christ is part of the creation God had in mind from the very beginning. He (Jesus) is unique to creation and He is like us in many ways but different. He was born with the Spirit of God, He was sinless, and God was his actual Father. John actually calls Him the only begotten Son of God. He Jesus had divinity at birth and walked and suffered like us in many trails and temptations. He had to learn to walk and follow the Spirit of God as a natural man or in a body. Which I find incredible. He was the first born of a new creation that God wants. We know God wants sons and daughters but how is He (God) going to achieve this? Through His Son! When Jesus was in the garden praying to God “Father if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me…” What did Jesus say after this phrase? Not My will, but Your will be done. Jesus had a will; He had a choice and He chose to follow His Fathers will. This makes Him separate and distinct from God, but He (Jesus) is one with God as the scriptures says. It took time for the apostles to figure it out who Jesus really was and what was His purpose and they eventually did and gave us the good news. We who are born again are born again because we received the Spirit of God like Jesus and are learning to walk with Him (God) like Jesus. Jesus even prayed that we would be one with the Father as He is one with the Father. Amazing Grace!
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Old 06-21-2024, 10:49 PM   #3
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Default Re: Is Christ Both the Creator and a Creature?

Yes, Jesus is both Creator and creature, He is both God and man.

John 1.3 says all things came into being thru Jesus the word of God, and apart from Him nothing has come into being. He is the Creator of all things.

Col 1.15 also says he is the firstborn of all creation, not chronologically but in preeminence. Jesus was born of a virgin mother. Prior to that Jesus was not human, yet with God there is no time, which is a total mystery. How else can we understand that the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world? (Revelation 13.8)
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