Nigel Tomes on 1 Corinthians 15:45 "Let's Get It Right"

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Nigel, does this mean in resurrection we all receive a "life-giving spirit" spiritual body like Jesus?

Since Jesus was the only one at that point to have resurrected, His was the only example of an already-resurrected being that could be used. None of us are Jesus or the only begotten Son of God, and none of us are the lifeline for anyone to gain eternal life. Only Jesus is that person, and so only He can be said to be "life-giving". So, like Jesus, we will have a spiritual body after resurrection, but none of us are life-givers like He is, so I don't see that we would be life-giving after resurrection either.

I went back listened to Nigel's sermon from about 39:00 on, and I don't believe he asserts anywhere that we will be life-giving spirits with spiritual bodies, only that we will have spiritual bodies.

From the 48:00 minute mark what he has on the screen emphasizes the physical/spiritual body only (that's what's bolded on the quote) not what's "inside" either of those bodies. At 48:23 he says:

"...okay, so, what do we know about resurrection? Resurrection....you resurrect with a body. Jesus resurrected with a body, the tomb was empty, because he was resurrected. His, the body, which was like that of Adam, became something different, but it was the same Jesus. The one became the other. He didn't leave His old body in the tomb; rather, that body was resurrected and changed and became different. Amen? What will happen to you? [laughing] Answer: the same! What can God do for you? Answer: the same. He can change your, even after death, He can change your body, current body, into a different kind of body, yet in continuity with that. It's not a total change...."

When Nigel says "the same" he seems to only be referring to the spiritual body part of it. Not that we also will become life-giving spirits in a spiritual body. Nigel says very clearly at one point that resurrection changes our body outwardly, but it's still us...."you are still you". So, since Jesus was explicit pre-resurrection that He is "the life", so He will still be after resurrection. Since none of us are "the life" pre-resurrection, neither will any of us be afterward, and we thus wouldn't be life-giving.

Nigel's whole comparison is just about the spiritual body. Not about the life-giving part of it that is unique to Jesus.

I think the confusion is that people have heard different things when they listened to Nigel and don't realize others came away with a different thought than them, but I think a careful listening shows he wasn't saying that believers become life-giving spirits.