The Church of Gideon and His 300 Men

[Indiana]

The Party of Gideon - W. Lee

“Please be clear: any church that meets as a local church standing on the ground and recognizing all the local churches around the globe, regardless of whether or not they take the new way, they are a genuine local church. We do not mean that any church that does not take the present new way becomes no more the church. No, we don’t practice that way. That is sectarian….

“Don’t say, “Brother Lee, I stand with you”. I don’t like to hear this. I don’t like anyone to stand with me. I don’t like to have a party. I have been in the Lord’s recovery over a half century. You all can testify in the Far East, in mainland China, in Taiwan, and in this country, I never liked to make anyone side with me to make a party. No, not at all. Right? Don’t make any party. Don’t think that we, the 400 or the 500, all got convinced and say, “Let us all stand together; we are the 300 of Gideon.” It may be okay to be the 300 of Gideon. But don’t form a party. The 300 with Gideon still loved the children of Israel. They still fought the battle for them. They never considered them as a separate party. That is a division. We don’t agree with that. We must have a proper attitude and a good spirit toward all the brothers and the sisters. Whether they would take this new way or not, we don’t change our attitude, and our attitude must be one of loving - a loving attitude.” Appendix 2 "Don’t cut off any church."

https://lordsrecovery.us/ChurchofGideonandHis300Men.pdf

[Ohio]

Don't cut off any church. Of course not. Just cut off the elders and ministers.

Then the saints will be forced to depend on LSM.

[Sons to Glory!]

So this is interesting . . . the group that came to Scottsdale (where I am) back in the late 80s, took the legal name of "The Church in Scottsdale." But they didn't do things according to LSM; weren't connected with them and didn't use much of their materials. So the group here was, I think, disavowed by the LC of being a genuine "church on the ground of oneness" and leaders & family members in the LC greatly shun the group here. (however, some do come to meetings when visiting family members, but often won't participate in the Lord's Table here)

BTW - the sign out front just says, "Scottsdale Church" and almost no mention is made of the legal name. In 22 years here I have never even heard anyone mention the so-called "ground of oneness" as pertaining to the Scottsdale group. For all these reasons, I suspect the group here is an "irritant" to LSM . . .

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Indiana

The Party of Gideon - W. Lee

“Please be clear: any church that meets as a local church standing on the ground and recognizing all the local churches around the globe, regardless of whether or not they take the new way, they are a genuine local church. We do not mean that any church that does not take the present new way becomes no more the church. No, we don’t practice that way. That is sectarian….

“Don’t say, “Brother Lee, I stand with you”. I don’t like to hear this. I don’t like anyone to stand with me. I don’t like to have a party. I have been in the Lord’s recovery over a half century. You all can testify in the Far East, in mainland China, in Taiwan, and in this country, I never liked to make anyone side with me to make a party. No, not at all. Right? Don’t make any party. Don’t think that we, the 400 or the 500, all got convinced and say, “Let us all stand together; we are the 300 of Gideon.” It may be okay to be the 300 of Gideon. But don’t form a party. The 300 with Gideon still loved the children of Israel. They still fought the battle for them. They never considered them as a separate party. That is a division. We don’t agree with that. We must have a proper attitude and a good spirit toward all the brothers and the sisters. Whether they would take this new way or not, we don’t change our attitude, and our attitude must be one of loving - a loving attitude.” Appendix 2 "Don’t cut off any church."

https://lordsrecovery.us/ChurchofGideonandHis300Men.pdf

Great sounding words.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by awareness

Great sounding words.

It sounds to be like talking in circles.

[aron]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

It sounds to be like talking in circles.

Remember that Lee got paid by the word, so he went round and round. And nobody was supposed to notice if today's message is diametrically opposed to what was said 5 or 8 or 15 years ago. Ir if you do notice, you keep your mouth shut.

I remember when RK said, "Sometimes you have to cut off the local churches to save the body of Christ." Nobody said anything. Or when he said, "Sometimes I think the only thing worse than a rebellious brother is a spiritual sister." Dead silence.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

So this is interesting . . . the group that came to Scottsdale (where I am) back in the late 80s, took the legal name of "The Church in Scottsdale." But they didn't do things according to LSM; weren't connected with them and didn't use much of their materials. So the group here was, I think, disavowed by the LC of being a genuine "church on the ground of oneness" and leaders & family members in the LC greatly shun the group here. (however, some do come to meetings when visiting family members, but often won't participate in the Lord's Table here)

BTW - the sign out front just says, "Scottsdale Church" and almost no mention is made of the legal name. In 22 years here I have never even heard anyone mention the so-called "ground of oneness" as pertaining to the Scottsdale group. For all these reasons, I suspect the group here is an "irritant" to LSM . . .

Irritant? More like a light shining on the foundation of their fake basis of divisiveness. LSM claims the "proper church standing" is based on the proper church name. But "the church in Scottsdale" exposes that they are frauds. Who gave them authority to choose who is a proper church? Those who buy their books? Those who attend their trainings?