Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions

[awareness]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

So Ruth and Naomi were technically not blood related, only through their mother and daughter in law relationships. Wasnt Isaac and Rebecca distant cousins? Anyways, to me there are plenty of hints they have homoromantic love. Ruth wanted to be buried with Naomi, thats very deep love right there. Ruth only married Boaz out of survival and Naomi helped Ruth to survive. After all, they were women with no rights. Boaz was in Naomi’s family? So yeah, everyone’s one happy family. In the end of the story, when Ruth gave birth to her son, the villagers or the people said it was Naomi’s. Not boaz’s. And the bible used the hebrew word of cleave, as in Ruth cleaved onto Naomi, the same word used in Eve cleaving unto Adam.

Okay now to Jonathan and David. It says, “Now when he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.“ sounds like they were soulmates. When Jonathan died, David was so distraught he said “My love to you was deeper than that of women”. On top of that, Jonathan stripped in front of David and the two of them kept making covenants, which sounds remotely like marriage covenants or marriage vows. When they made the covenant, it says, “ Now Jonathan again caused David to vow, because he loved him; for he loved him as he loved his own soul”. Saul was so mad at Jonathan that he lashed out at him at the dinner table and used Jonathan’s mother’s name in vain, like “son of a b’**”. It says “Then Saul’s anger was aroused against Jonathan, and he said to him, “You son of a perverse, rebellious woman! Do I not know that you have chosen the son of Jesse (David) to your own shame and to the shame of your mother’s nakedness? 31 For as long as the son of Jesse lives on the earth, you shall not be established, nor your kingdom. Now therefore, send and bring him to me, for he shall surely die.” See, Saul knew about their relationship was more than friendship and disapproved. At the time, if Jonathan were gay, he couldnt have kids so no kids, no kingdom. Reminds me of those family dinners when gay people come out and they have to escape their parents’ wrath. Compare their story to Achilles and Patroclus, two greek gays where one also died in battle and Achilles did not want to bury Patroclus’s body and was mourning for him for days. Thats deep love.


So yes, lots of hints. But no matter, right? I think their love can be said as higher than any romantic sexual love. it can be more of a spiritual kind.

As for your question, I didnt answer because I didnt think it related to lgbtq but I’ll answer anyway. For the most part, I dont think it’s right because sex outside of marriage can lead to all kinds of confusion. Thats what marriage is for, but in today’s age, it seems like if people are divorcing at the same rate of getting married, that negates the importance of marriage. Now, proponents of same sex marriage say that marriage allows gays and lesbians the same opportunities (they can now wait to have sex within legal bounds of marriage! and on top of that, taxes and such). After all, God says that it’s not good for man to be alone and Paul said that it’s better for people to marry than burn with passion. So yes, very sad when homosexuals burn with passion and cant marry. You have to also look back when marriage was made. Did God marry Adam and Eve? Because it seems like they were sure getting it on as soon as they left that garden and they had no ceremony.

Now you can answer my rebuttal regarding Paul’s context for homosexuality.

You forgot to mention that David and Jonathan kissed. If I saw two men kissing my first thought would be "gay."

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

You forgot to mention that David and Jonathan kissed. If I saw two men kissing my first thought would be "gay."

There are a number of cultures (Lebanese in this case) where men kiss when greeting loved ones. (The guys who did this were cousins.) I have seen this before and I thought it strange, but such is the case with many foreign customs. But since my mind is not pickled with the gay agenda, my first thought was NOT gay.

Go read the context of the story in I Samuel 20. It was a life and death situation for David, since King Saul had decided to kill him. I find it quite sickening that the LGBT community would justify their actions using distorted interpretations from old Bible stories.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There are a number of cultures (Lebanese in this case) where men kiss when greeting loved ones. (The guys who did this were cousins.) I have seen this before and I thought it strange, but such is the case with many foreign customs. But since my mind is not pickled with the gay agenda, my first thought was NOT gay.

Again with that word “agenda”. Can you define what gay agenda is? because I dont know why people use it all the time with lgbtq or “gay promotion”. It sounds like peacocks

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Again with that word “agenda”. Can you define what gay agenda is? because I dont know why people use it all the time with lgbtq

The gay agenda desires to convert our population and culture (mores, education, laws, customs, etc.) into a gay utopia, destroying and canceling everyone in the existing culture who gets in their way.

Perhaps your goals are more benign, but that still does not change the "agenda" in place.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The gay agenda desires to convert our population and culture (mores, education, laws, customs, etc.) into a gay utopia, destroying and canceling everyone in the existing culture who gets in their way.

Perhaps your goals are more benign, but that still does not change the "agenda" in place.

When has gay culture canceled everyone else? If you think gays will make the world extinct, you have paranoia issues.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

When has gay culture canceled everyone else? If you think gays will make the world extinct, you have paranoia issues.

That's their agenda. That's their goal. That's the direction they are going.

Don't change the subject. I answered your question about the gay agenda. Why don't you study some of their radical literature?

And who said the gay culture "canceled everyone" or will "make the world extinct"?

Rabbit hole. Obviously, no one has said that. Radically transformed, yes, extinct, no.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's their agenda. That's their goal. That's the direction they are going.

Don't change the subject. I answered your question about the gay agenda. Why don't you study some of their radical literature?

And who said the gay culture "canceled everyone" or will "make the world extinct"?

Rabbit hole. Obviously, no one has said that. Radically transformed, yes, extinct, no.

Can you show me some of this “radical literature”? I have never read it.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

You forgot to mention that David and Jonathan kissed. If I saw two men kissing my first thought would be "gay."

Ever been to Italy?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Ever been to Italy?

Don't confuse him with facts!

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Ever been to Italy?

Kissing with souls knit to each other. The bible said it, not me.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Kissing with souls knit to each other. The bible said it, not me.

Sounds like your LGBT Version.

Have you read the context of the story?

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sounds like your LGBT Version.

Have you read the context of the story?

Did you read what I wrote below on Jonathan and David? Yes I’ve read the whole story in both Chinese and English, non recovery versions, King James and others. There’s no “LGBTQ” version. There’s just the bible and interpretation, thebible is for all ages, except the scary ones like Daniel’s weird dreams for kids bedtime stories.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Did you read what I wrote below on Jonathan and David? Yes I’ve read the whole story in both Chinese and English, non recovery versions, King James and others. There’s no “LGBTQ” version. There’s just the bible and interpretation, thebible is for all ages, except the scary ones like Daniel’s weird dreams for kids bedtime stories.

Daniel's dreams were incredibly prophetic. Didn't you ever study world history? They all came true!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Ever been to Italy?

It's like the brother that lived with my wife and I. He came home from work all upset. When we asked what was wrong, he said he stopped by Two Guys Pizzeria and saw men sitting in booths with their arm around each other.

I thought that he 'Didst protest too much.' It was, after all, Two Guys Pizzeria.

Well he eventually got his own little apartment. I stopped in on him unannounced one Saturday morning. And surprise, surprise, he had a friend that spent the night over. This guy was obviously gay. There was no hiding it. He knew then that I knew. It became the elephant in the room.

He packed it up and started making his way out of town, where he/we came from. He'd call me from time to time, and tell me he became friends with a Methodist preacher. I knew what he meant. It's wasn't spoken of, but he knew that I knew what he meant.

He's now an elder at a locality. Wondering why he lives deep in the closet, I asked him why he stay in the LC. He said, "the food."

Is that why your Italy question? all those gay Catholic priests? Or did you mean something else?

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by awareness

It's like the brother...

Wouldnt it be a tad funny and interesting to see if living in Italy, you cant tell the homosexuals and heterosexuals apart due to everyone kissing each other? Like it would be paradise for closeted gays. If only we had that custom here in the U.S.
Imagine that

[awareness]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Wouldnt it be a tad funny and interesting to see if living in Italy, you cant tell the homosexuals and heterosexuals apart due to everyone kissing each other? Like it would be paradise for closeted gays. If only we had that custom here in the U.S.
Imagine that

I have this book : Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity with illustrations.
https://www.amazon.com/Biological-Ex.../dp/031225377X

It turns out that around the same percentage of the critters are gay as the percentage of humans.

Seems gayness is natural after all, and Paul just didn't know about it. Paul, by the way, wasn't omniscient. He was a flawed person just like the rest of us. So why become fixated on him and what he has to say?

He was after all, a flat earth person. I'm not saying that to put him down. He couldn't help it. He lived during the flat earth age.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

I have this book : Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity with illustrations.
https://www.amazon.com/Biological-Ex.../dp/031225377X

It turns out that around the same percentage of the critters are gay as the percentage of humans.

Seems gayness is natural after all, and Paul just didn't know about it. Paul, by the way, wasn't omniscient. He was a flawed person just like the rest of us. So why become fixated on him and what he has to say?

He was after all, a flat earth person. I'm not saying that to put him down. He couldn't help it. He lived during the flat earth age.

Well, even apart from the main subject of this particular thread, it's not much wonder why this is on the Alternative Views section with comments like that!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Well, even apart from the main subject of this particular thread, it's not much wonder why this is on the Alternative Views section with comments like that!

Which comments?