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Originally Posted by Ohio

Where does the Bible say that it is "murder" when killed with a shotgun?

Stupid word games. Murder is when your actions cause another person to die, apart from self-defense. Goodness, even animals nowadays have more rights than the unborn.

It's not that hard to understand zeek. You're a smart guy.

No! no! no! I really want to know where every writer of the books of the Bible spoke out against abortion.

Bro Ohio, you made the claim. Back it up. At least give me a few examples.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

No! no! no! I really want to know where every writer of the books of the Bible spoke out against abortion.

Bro Ohio, you made the claim. Back it up. At least give me a few examples.

The sixth commandment, often repeated in the Bible.

[Sons to Glory!]

Ohio's point is it doesn't spell-out all the ways murder happens, it's just murder. One can be murdered by poisoning, by an axe, by knife, by gunfire, by strangulations, by thrusting another into the vacuum of outer space or by yanking someone out of the womb, etc. & etc.

The Bible doesn't need to say "Thou shalt not kill your unborn child;" it just needs to say, "Thou shalt not murder."

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Ohio's point is it doesn't spell-out all the ways murder happens, it's just murder. One can be murdered by poisoning, by an axe, by knife, by gunfire, by strangulations, by thrusting another into the vacuum of outer space or by yanking someone out of the womb, etc. & etc.

The Bible doesn't need to say "Thou shalt not kill your unborn child;" it just needs to say, "Thou shalt not murder."

Thanks for the "amplified" version, as if it was really needed. Some here are merely straining at gnats (show me the word abortion in the Bible) while passing camels (unlimited abortion rights and infanticide for all.)

I for one gave up on expecting abortion to ever be outlawed. The Democrats merely use it to freak out their base, among other things. The SCOTUS actually view their rulings as settled law, and part of the Constitution. I understand that Planned Parenthood v. Casey 1992 rulings by SCOTUS are even more difficult to overturn than Roe v. Wade. All of the Jurists voting to uphold that decision were appointed by Republicans. What does that tell you?

Originalist constitutional judges are needed to preserve our Republic on a vast array of issues. Allowing un-elected progressive Judges with a life-time tenure just about guarantees our nations demise, since they can construct anything they wish on sinking sand. Consider our national "heroine" RBG who just passed away: she was not "canonized" while fighting for all Americans and the rule of law, rather she fought for "progressive women" and select minorities. But what about unborn women, who exceed 50% of abortions, who fights for them?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

No! no! no! I really want to know where every writer of the books of the Bible spoke out against abortion.

Bro Ohio, you made the claim. Back it up. At least give me a few examples.

And let me jump forward to the next step of our discussion, so you can be prepared. If the unborn cannot be "murdered" because they are not "persons," then you automatically justify genocide around the world. Did not Hitler declare the Jews, Gypsies, and Gays to be non-persons, and thus terminating them was not murder? Did not the SCOTUS Dred Scott Decision of 1857 determine that blacks were non-persons, and thus killing them was not murder? For the same reason we fight for blacks and for Jews, we must fight for the unborn.

We can never use our personal "choice" to justify the demise of another. What a frightening history that has been. All of our personal "rights" have limits, and must by law end when another life is threatened.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And let me jump forward to the next step of our discussion, so you can be prepared. If the unborn cannot be "murdered" because they are not "persons," then you automatically justify genocide around the world. Did not Hitler declare the Jews, Gypsies, and Gays to be non-persons, and thus terminating them was not murder? Did not the SCOTUS Dred Scott Decision of 1857 determine that blacks were non-persons, and thus killing them was not murder? For the same reason we fight for blacks and for Jews, we must fight for the unborn.

We can never use our personal "choice" to justify the demise of another. What a frightening history that has been. All of our personal "rights" have limits, and must by law end when another life is threatened.

I'll give it to you. You sure can make an outlandish claim, and then dodge weave and dance when avoiding backing up your claim ... and then making a more outlandish claim that, a woman aborting her baby is like burning 6 million Jews in ovens.

So I guess you can't find even one book in the Bible that speaks against abortion, and it was asinine and cult like thinking to make the claim.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

So I guess you can't find even one book in the Bible that speaks against abortion, and it was asinine and cult like thinking to make the claim.

No mention of abortion murders or shotgun murders in one OT book I know of . . . So how about where children are offered as sacrifices to idols in the OT?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

No mention of abortion murders or shotgun murders in one OT book I know of . . . So how about where children are offered as sacrifices to idols in the OT?

Still no book ... but you make a point, at least. But it's not the same at all

Here's a verse that applies ... God prescribes bitter water to abort a baby : Numbers 5:22

Lev. 27:6 - A person is a person after birth

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Still no book ... but you make a point, at least. But it's not the same at all

Here's a verse that applies ... God prescribes bitter water to abort a baby : Numbers 5:22

Lev. 27:6 - A person is a person after birth

What a joke! Go read those verses again.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What a joke! Go read those verses again.

I read them before posting them. Of course, as usual, there's the matter of interpretation.

The bitter water story was obvious. She cheated and got pregnant. So time for an abortion.

Leviticus wasn't as clear. But it's in the Bible, as to the value of a child.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I'll give it to you. You sure can make an outlandish claim, and then dodge weave and dance when avoiding backing up your claim ... and then making a more outlandish claim that, a woman aborting her baby is like burning 6 million Jews in ovens.

So I guess you can't find even one book in the Bible that speaks against abortion, and it was asinine and cult like thinking to make the claim.

Talk about dodging, weaving, twisting, dancing, and distorting!! That's your specialty! Like you say, "yer a peach!"

We are talking about close to One Million beautiful unborn children of God slaughtered in the womb every year! The same number as the holocaust roughly every six years! Yet you say only one woman has aborted her baby. It's more like one aborted baby every 30 seconds, every hour, and every day of the year. That's real science, my friend. Math too.

Asinine and cult like thinking? Aren't those classic ad hominems?

Why don't you address my points? Why do you dodge the issues? What are you afraid of? Why are you complicit with murder? Aren't you part of the coverup?

Murder is taking the life of another. Is that too hard for you to understand? Perhaps too much cognitive dissonance going on?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

We are talking about close to One Million beautiful unborn children of God slaughtered in the womb every year! The same number as the holocaust roughly every six years! Yet you say only one woman has aborted her baby. It's more like one aborted baby every 30 seconds, every hour, and every day of the year.

And where's your dog in the fight? Have you produced a unwanted baby?

Still ... what book?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

And where's your dog in the fight? Have you produced a unwanted baby?

Huh? So ... Let me get this straight ...

Since I was not aborted personally, I am not allowed to speak up on their behalf?

That makes as much sense as a Progressive Insurance commercial.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

And where's your dog in the fight? Have you produced a unwanted baby?

Still ... what book?

Am I a persona non grata here? (I know you and Ohio are all caught up in this back-n-forth thing among yourselves, but . . .)

Any way, I answered your question in post 6075. And then I asked you a question.