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Old 05-28-2020, 10:15 PM   #1
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... I think it might be the emotional part that can cause issues for women, and I wonder if that's not a characteristic that lends itself to deception at times.
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I'd be very interested to get the take of others - AND ESPECIALLY SISTERS!
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I think it might be the emotional part that causes issues for men.

I wonder if that’s not a characteristic of man that causes him to perhaps equate the emotional part of woman as her being “deceived”. The implication is that men, at times, believe because she is “emotional” she is deceived: “emotion=deceived”.

The woman was given to man as a helper. Could it be that the emotions of woman, created by God, are meant to balance perhaps the strong (perhaps stubborn) will of man (also created by God)...to help him...to help each other through situations that call for a balance of “mind, emotion and will”?

The man who was not deceived, but willfully sinned, is held accountable for the fall of man. The woman was deceived, admitted it, was likely “emotional”, but was blessed as the vessel to bring forth the Savior.

Could we say “women are more easily emotional” while men are more easily stubborn? I'd be interested in getting the take of others on these questions. I hope it's not too harsh.

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Old 05-29-2020, 07:48 AM   #2
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My take: I think it might be the emotional part that causes issues for men.
We can all get easily lead away by our emotions. Over my lifetime it's been emotional outbursts, on my part, that have produced some of the biggest angst for me. And marketing is all about playing on people's emotions. Why? Because if the emotions are engaged, that's when they are very likely the most vulnerable. For instance, in auto sales school, they teach to ask people "So what color could you see yourself in?" And this is more typically asked of the female. (guys are often more interested in mechanicals & stats . . . color is much further down the list . . . though there certainlyy is emotion around a powerful engine! )

And I completely agree that woman was brought to man as a helper, and is so nicely complementary - man & woman are complimentary to each other. These complementary characteristics can work really well in parenting I think. And I so appreciate my wife's insights and strengths on a wide variety of things. But that means there are also things that are not strengths. Equal, but different for a reason.

So what did the devil know when he approached Eve with his scheme? Why did he go to her first, and not Adam? (I think he probably knew that going through Eve was a good way to get to Adam and that it would be difficult for him to resist Eve. Therefore he went to Eve first.)
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I think it might be the emotional part that can cause issues for women, and I wonder if that's not a characteristic that lends itself to deception at times.

So we can "kick against the goads" of this, but we will likely get hurt in the process! I'd be very interested to get the take of others - AND ESPECIALLY SISTERS!
Refering to your statement above, my question is, do you believe "women are more easily deceived" because of her emotions? Do you believe some form of "emotions=deceived"?

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Referring to your statement above, my question is, do you believe "women are more easily deceived" because of her emotions? Do you believe some form of "emotions=deceived"?

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I always find these kinds of generalizations troubling. Yes, some girls/women are easily deceived, and yes, some boys/men are easily deceived. And many men and women are very discerning, and almost impossible to deceive. If women are deceived by emotions, are then men deceived by ear-tickling?
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I always find these kinds of generalizations troubling. Yes, some girls/women are easily deceived, and yes, some boys/men are easily deceived. And many men and women are very discerning, and almost impossible to deceive. If women are deceived by emotions, are then men deceived by ear-tickling?

Yet women are targeted. Women are stereotyped and punished.

I don’t disagree with your comments.

I asked SoG a question because of his comment. I would like to know where he’s coming from.

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Yet women are targeted. Women are stereotyped and punished.

I don’t disagree with your comments.

I asked SoG a question because of his comment. I would like to know where he’s coming from.

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To reply, let me copy what I wrote in my post from two days ago, because no one commented and it perhaps explains where I'm "coming from':
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But we all are coming from a place of being in the post-Christian world, where feminism has gone to an extreme and saturated the culture. So talk like this (e.g., in 1st Timothy) can actually sound alien to many now days. But God sees things clearly, and I've had a glimpse of what His household administration looks like. He has an administrative order (i.e., economy) to things, in order that His household might thrive, and so everyone gets what they need in an atmosphere of love. This household order is the Lord, then the husband/father, then the wife/mother, then the children. Again, this order is set by Him so that everyone in the household gets supplied with what they need, in an administration of love, caring (and yes, accountability).

So we can "kick against the goads" of this, but we will likely get hurt in the process! I'd be very interested to get the take of others - AND ESPECIALLY SISTERS!
So I think we all have a covering according to God's plan, according to our need. The man/husband needs to be headed-up and have a covering, and this is the Lord; Woman/wife needs to be headed-up and have a covering, and this is the man/husband; children needs to be headed-up and have a covering, and this is their parents.

This wise administration is according to supplying their need and provide for their protection. Why? Because there is weakness. Man isn't able to do this alone and needs the Lord. Woman can't do this alone and needs the man. Children (this is the most obvious) need protection big time, and have both parents (ideally). This is the loving arrangement in God's household . . . for a good reason - for the proper care of everyone and to cover their weaknesses.
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I think it might be the emotional part that can cause issues for women, and I wonder if that's not a characteristic that lends itself to deception at times.

So we can "kick against the goads" of this, but we will likely get hurt in the process! I'd be very interested to get the take of others - AND ESPECIALLY SISTERS!
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Refering to your statement above, my question is, do you believe "women are more easily deceived" because of her emotions? Do you believe some form of "emotions=deceived"?

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