POLL: How do you generally view the LC?

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Thanks for the input, Cal . . . and your rating would be?

Define "genuine move of God" and give me examples and I'll tell you.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but you might as well be asking me if the LR is a greater or lesser wulshank, while not even defining what a wulshank is.

The type of thing you are doing is precisely one big flaw of the LR--throwing around terms and ideas that they never clearly define, and expecting everyone to agree on what they mean.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Cal

Define "genuine move of God" and give me examples and I'll tell you.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but you might as well be asking me if the LR is a greater or lesser wulshank, while not even defining what a wulshank is.

The type of thing you are doing is precisely one big flaw of the LR--throwing around terms and ideas that they never clearly define, and expecting everyone to agree on what they mean.

Consider me duly admonished! However, me thinks yer putting too much thought into this (didn't mean it to be exactly a scientific poll . . .).

But since you asked, off the top here's what I would say is the definition of a "Genuine move of God:" A move that God has initiated; a concerted activity His Holy Spirit is engaged in among men. An example might be the Great Awakenings, Welsh Revival and the Jesus People movements (but also might be smaller in scale).

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Me thinks yer putting too much thought into this. But off the top, here's what I would say is the definition of a "Genuine move of God:" A move that God has initiated; a concerted activity His Holy Spirit is engaged in among men.

It seems to me, that except in very extreme and obvious instances, it is impossible for anyone to decide whether some subset of the Body of Christ is a "move of God" or was "initiated by God."

I think God has one move, and it includes everything his Holy Spirit is doing on earth. If the Holy Spirit is involved, how could that involvement not be part of God's move? It's the work of the Holy Spirit that is the move, not the group he is moving in. And he moves in every Christian group.

One aspect of cult thinking is that very subjective judgments are made and expected. Seems to me that the implied questions on this poll are asking us to make those kinds of very subjective judgments. Hence to me it indicates leftover LR thinking. No offense intended.

I think categorizing Christian movements or groups as great, okay, inferior, etc, is like taking those surveys on Facebook that tell you what kind of character you would have been in the Old West. Entertaining but meaningless.

God doesn't care about the group, anyway. He cares about the people in the group.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Cal

It seems to me, that except in very extreme and obvious instances, it is impossible for anyone to decide whether some subset of the Body of Christ is a "move of God" or was "initiated by God."

I think God has one move, and it includes everything his Holy Spirit is doing on earth. If the Holy Spirit is involved, how could that involvement not be part of God's move? It's the work of the Holy Spirit that is the move, not the group he is moving in. And he moves in every Christian group.

One aspect of cult thinking is that very subjective judgments are made and expected. Seems to me that the implied questions on this poll are asking us to make those kinds of very subjective judgments. Hence to me it indicates leftover LR thinking. No offense intended.

Oh boy . . . OK. No poll answer from you --> NEXT!

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Oh boy . . . OK. No poll answer from you --> NEXT!

Another aspect of LR thinking is the idea that God has levels of work. He has his "one true move." And he has everything else. This was how the LR elevated themselves above all, while conceding God was present elsewhere. This kind of thinking feeds elitism and I see it reflected in the premise of your survey. As I said, I think the premise is very flawed.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Cal

Another aspect of LR thinking is the idea that God has levels of work. He has his "one true move." And he has everything else. This was how the LR elevated themselves above all, while conceding God was present elsewhere. This kind of thinking feeds elitism and I see it reflected in the premise of your survey. As I said, I think the premise is very flawed.

Never said this flawed poll was all that good, but thanks for your input. My unsolicited opinion is this observation you expressed, is a reflection of what many on here seem to have, namely seeing and expressing everything through totally anti-LR glasses (and thereby projecting that upon me too).

Nonetheless, I never indicated it was a perfect or even good poll, in fact I indicated the inverse and just wanted to have some fun with it. So, feel free - do you want to come up with a better one bro, to express how folks generally view the LC? (or maybe you don't think this is anything worth determining, that's fine too)

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Nonetheless, I never indicated it was a perfect or even good poll, in fact I indicated the inverse and just wanted to have some fun with it. So, feel free - do you want to come up with a better one bro, to express how folks generally view the LC? (or maybe you don't think this is anything worth determining, that's fine too)

Okay, that's fine. Have fun! I thought you were saying that you actually believe there are truly strata of quality of "moves."

I'll play along. I think they were somewhere between C and D. As for the second half, I would say they were an odd mixture of "God was indeed there" and "off from the beginning."

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Cal

Okay, that's fine. Have fun! I thought you were saying that you actually believe there are truly strata of quality of "moves."

I'll play along. I think they were somewhere between C and D. As for the second half, I would say they were an odd mixture of "God was indeed there" and "off from the beginning."

Thanks for playing! So your rating would be basically a C-D/7-3 nearest I could tell.

Maybe when enough ratings get posted, we'll do a graph. So far things aren't trending well for the LC in the responses . . .

[Curious]

I don't feel well qualified to rate myself and I've thought long about it. I'm overall at:
D3,
acknowledging that all these variables you've offered could be at play for any one individual or group at different times. My only other comment is: The deeper one gets entangled, the further along in the negatives, the relevant ratings become.
And I've seen it operate as a tool of satan, but not always.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Thanks for playing! So your rating would be basically a C-D/7-3 nearest I could tell. Maybe when enough ratings get posted, we'll do a graph. So far things aren't trending well for the LC in the responses . . .

Yeah, C-D. But no, not 7 to 3, maybe 4.5-3.

But then it also is #1. It definitely has become a tool of Satan. I'd say just ask Greg Casteel, but he's not with us anymore because of the LR.