YouTube Channel Discusses the Local Church

[Cal]

E75 - The Top 5 Things "the Lord's Recovery Got Wrong - "The Lord's Recovery" of Witness Lee

My top five list of the worst of "the Lords' Recovery"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UEZj-2Nb2I

[Cal]

E76 - Get Me to the Church On TIme - "The Lord's Recovery" of Witness Lee

How "the Lord's Recovery" has missed what God really wants us to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGNqx1jxAdA

[Cal]

E77 - The Failed Experiment - "The Lord's Recovery" of Witness Lee

Update on the progress of the channel, some odds and ends, and a look at the failed experiment called "the Lord's Recovery."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RglabkiR6II

[Cal]

E78 - Ten Things "The Lord's Recovery" Should Do to Reform - "The Lord's Recovery" of Witness Lee

Ten Things "the Lord's Recovery" must do to have a future besides being a fringe, suspect group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxBbmXF29ac

[Freedom]

This is a great video. So many of the problems within the LC are related to things like their authority structure or lack of humility. It's hard to believe how they can remain so oblivious to some of these readily apparent problems like their public perception, members leaving, etc.

Before I left, it seemed like there was was an ever-increasing disregard for current members who were struggling or who might be considering leaving. Even just in general, the LC didn't give any thought to making the environment the type of place that people would want to be part of.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Freedom

This is a great video. So many of the problems within the LC are related to things like their authority structure or lack of humility. It's hard to believe how they can remain so oblivious to some of these readily apparent problems like their public perception, members leaving, etc.

Before I left, it seemed like there was was an ever-increasing disregard for current members who were struggling or who might be considering leaving. Even just in general, the LC didn't give any thought to making the environment the type of place that people would want to be part of.

It is the lack of humility why there will not be repentance, reconciliation, or reform. I know it will be refuted, but the fruit of deputy authority doctrine is pride.
The LC is fully rejecting any culpability why members leave. It's completely owned by those who leave. It's usually labeled by any number of adjectives as the cause why brothers or sisters leave.
The LC attitude is that of a math formula. Just plug yourself into the ministry and the ministry will take care of you.

[Trapped]

They have a great little system set up for this kind of stuff.

Having problems? You are too much in your mind.

Speaking up? You are rebellious.

Leaving to get help? You just remained in unforgiven offense.

Speaking up after you leave? DCP goes after you.

And then they circle tighter and shun the struggling member so their echo chamber reinforces itself all the more.

It's sad because the effect is on human lives. But since they circled tighter they don't see the effect. And even when they do see the effect, they, uncomprehendingly, don't care.

They are so steeped in a ministry that requires them to suspend logical thought to accept it that when they are confronted with reasonable discourse and logic it literally does not compute. It truly is so strange to encounter.

[Cal]

E79 - Responding to a "Lord's Recovery" Member - The "Lord's Recovery" of Witness Lee.

Responding to a long message from a "Lord's Recovery" member.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9abIN1epoHg

[Cal]

E80 - Feel Free to Enjoy Your Soul - The "Lord's Recovery" of Witness Lee

Exposing the "Lord's Recovery's" draconian micro-managing of people's inner lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8vp_eXLtxU

[Curious]

Yes, opinion is certainly the work of the devil in us. Adam and Eve had no opinions or nasty soulish 'feelings' before the fall. We know this because it must be so, so that Witness Lee is proved correct.

Also, God forgot to put this in the 10 Commandments. After all, it was a stressful time with the Israelites rebelling at the bottom of the mountain the whole while. it must have been very distracting!

I’m sure if Jesus’ ministry lasted more than 3 short years, he would’ve remembered to mention it too. Good thing WL was able to articulate it for the Godhead….better late than never I guess…..it just proves his value as MOTA.

However, shocking though it may seem, there something even WORSE than opinion (and peculiarity-another gem of wisdom from the riches of WL’s ministry) Yes indeedy there is. And I’m here to let everyone here know what that is……it is being magnanimous. WL saw the danger in this as even worse than having an opinion. It is having an opinion that he couldn’t get at!!!!

You can find his insight on this matter covered in his book “The experience of Life” chapter 10, section 8-9, or Google ‘Witness Lee magnanimous’.

To hold one’s own counsel and keep ones own opinions to oneself, to have emotional self-control and be generous hearted enough to tolerate the differences of others, to also perceive the futility of arguing a point when hearers would clearly reject any discussion…..all these are more dangerous and sinister than merely having an opinion.

(Additionally, they are so frustrating when you are attempting to steam-roller a person into submission, where do you lever-up an edge, gain an advantage over someone who cannot be riled, and try as you may, you can't force to engage on your terms? I’m sure nothing could be more frustrating for our poor MOTA than this ability to remain not susceptible to his efforts to get inside someone’s head!)

Somewhere that I can’t find it continued to say that having an opinion and emotional reaction is better than being magnanimous, as at least there is an opening to 'deal with' the person in the case that what is inside them is not under their own control! (my summary of the text).

The dictionary defines ‘magnanimous’ as: ‘being generous and kind in forgiving an insult or injury, free from petty resentfulness or vindictiveness’. This definition makes me think straight away, of 1 Corinthians chapter 13 v 4-7.

According to WL, to be magnanimous means to be ‘self-righteous’, ‘arrogant’, ‘blind’, ‘in spiritual darkness’, a ‘Pharisee’ who ‘will one day open their mouth and pour out all these pent-up opinions’! ('Gems' from the text referred to above).

So wise of WL to understand the English language better than English speakers, and to redefine our words for us, oh and also to guide us away from scriptures on love. How deceived we would otherwise be!!!

Interestingly also, WL contradicts all this completely, in his writings on 'emotions'. What he says there instructs his followers to keep feelings and reactions very much to oneself. to be 'mild', 'temperate', 'restricted' and 'restrained', 'polite' and 'self-controlled', 'tranquil'..... magnanimous, perhaps? ["Lessons on Prayer" chapter 7 section 3, easy find by google 'Witness Lee on emotion'].

Therefore, perhaps we can conclude that to treat LC’ers we know with a magnanimous attitude, will be one of the most effective ways to disintegrate their system of thinking. Showing them by example the way of love as outlined in the Corinthians verses above, and being non-reactive to their efforts to control seems to be one thing WL could not conquer in a person. Just a thought that comes to me as I write this.