1,000 Years of Outer Darkness

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

That is not my question. My question is when was this swift judgement made.

They are in the climax of a full-on war. The Lord comes with His armies to fight, kill and destroy Antichrist and his armies. The Antichrist and False Prophet have already been judged, no trial.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is a legal process -- charged with a crime (crime here is clearly rebellion), you are tried, you are convicted, you are sentenced, and then that sentence is carried out.

There is no indication of any legal process, but what is going on is a war. It's kill or be killed. Many others are also killed, kings, people, and armies by Christ and His armies.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

the false prophet is ....judged at the throne of Christ with the believers. .

No way, nope. There is no judicial process, no trial. The closest one is the JSoC, but that is for believers, and it we cannot throw the False Prophet into it.

Revelation says that the Lord is the righteous judge, and at Armageddon "in righteousness He judges and makes war".

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Raptor

They are in the climax of a full-on war. The Lord comes with His armies to fight, kill and destroy Antichrist and his armies. The Antichrist and False Prophet have already been judged, no trial.

I agree they have already been judged, but "no trial"? Are you accusing the Lord of unrighteousness?

Originally Posted by Raptor

There is no indication of any legal process, but what is going on is a war. It's kill or be killed. Many others are also killed, kings, people, and armies by Christ and His armies.

Baloney. There is plenty of indication of a legal process. 2 Corinthians 5:10 -- "For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ" You said that the false prophet was a man, are you now annulling Paul's word in 2Corinthians?

Originally Posted by Raptor

No way, nope. There is no judicial process, no trial. The closest one is the JSoC, but that is for believers, and it we cannot throw the False Prophet into it.

Revelation says that the Lord is the righteous judge, and at Armageddon "in righteousness He judges and makes war".

What about Revelation 3:5, if your name is in the book of life doesn't that make you a believer? If your name is blotted out of the book of life what then? When does this take place?

[Raptor]

The judgement seat of Christ is a focal point we see in the scriptures where the Lord will either reward or discipline His believers. Both in 2 Cor. 5:10 and Rom. 14:10 it is clear that the judgement seat is only for believers:

For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body according to what he has practiced, whether good or bad." AND "But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God."

"We must all", and "we will all" refers to all believers, not all men. Paul is talking to believers in those verses and sections. The False Prophet and Antichrist are UNBELIEVERS, there is no way they will be grouped together with believers at the JSoC. They are cast alive into the lake of fire.

[Jo S]

I know UntoHim said to stick to the topic of 1000 years of outerdarkness but I wanted to back up Raptor here in hopes to end the argument.

It's simple, The beast and false prophet's judgments were already written of.

Whomever decides to fill those future roles will also adopt the pre-rendered judgment of God.

There will be no trial, no new evidence, and no changing God's mind concerning these individuals. Saying otherwise is nullifying God's word.

If these individuals stand before Christ it'll only be to be led away by the bailiffs.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Jo S

I know UntoHim said to stick to the topic of 1000 years of outerdarkness but I wanted to back up Raptor here in hopes to end the argument.

It's simple, The beast and false prophet's judgments were already written of.

Whomever decides to fill those future roles will also adopt the pre-rendered judgment of God.

There will be no trial, no new evidence, and no changing God's mind concerning these individuals. Saying otherwise is nullifying God's word.

If these individuals stand before Christ it'll only be to be led away by the bailiffs.

I have opened another thread titled "False prophets". It seems like that is the best way to continue this discussion.