Erroneous Teaching of Lee Concerning Natural Affection

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Jo S

This is the overwhelming agenda I see on this forum; to destroy Lee's kingdom, aka the LSM, all the while Nee and GLA go mostly unnoticed. This imbalance can't be explained away with "well, most don't have direct experience with Nee or Chu" when the fact is that many here have direct experience with the Chu influenced local churches and Nee's literature. Common sense tells me if the LSM is wiped off the face of the earth, then the very foundation of the Lord's Recovery is still left standing and not only that, but a new MOTA as well.

LSM won't go down until the MOTA lie goes down. If the MOTA lie goes down, then the basis for a new MOTA will be dealt with as well.

This is why I usually speak against the false spiritual authority the LR uplifts.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Igzy

LSM won't go down until the MOTA lie goes down. If the MOTA lie goes down, then the basis for a new MOTA will be dealt with as well.

This is why I usually speak against the false spiritual authority the LR uplifts.

Yes, they are a set of dominoes, but I feel the main domino is the doctrine of the "ground of the church". If that goes down the basis for their MOTA doctrine also falls.

[Jo S]

Originally Posted by awareness

Shame on Untohim. I say let you speak your peace to power.

Ok, I hold you accountable for this reply then.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Not sure what exactly you mean by proxy wars and the martyrdom narrative. Can you say more? Examples?

Proxy meaning two opposing sides using Localchurchdiscussions.com as a battle ground for their political agendas. We saw that when Drake was active and I see it even now. As far as the martyr narrative, I already addressed that on Jo Casteel's open letter thread.

Originally Posted by Igzy

LSM won't go down until the MOTA lie goes down. If the MOTA lie goes down, then the basis for a new MOTA will be dealt with as well.

This is why I usually speak against the false spiritual authority the LR uplifts.

Igzy, I agree that speaking against false spiritual authority is important BUT I can't agree with the belief that it'll lead to the downfall of an organization. Many have spoken against the heresy of one man being the voice of God yet we still have a Pope. It's good to get the info out to help other's discern but that seems to be it when it comes to religion.

Jesus came not to condemn or destroy the world, he came to convinct us of sin so that we can repent and be saved. Shouldn't that be our heart as well?

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Nee has been completely scrutinized.....Other than that what other issue is there to have with Nee?

My issue wasn't that Nee hasn't been scrutinized, it was that most arguments end at Lee/LSM when they can easily be traced back to Nee. But I get the sense it's better to end at Lee knowing DCP and LSMers reading through the forum will be more personally offended by it. I mean who wouldn't want to bring more life into the forum with a Drake comeback, right? The problem is that atmosphere I imagine keeps those that are more apprehensive from coming on board and sharing their stories. But maybe I'm just being too idealistic...

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

....As for GLA vying for martyrdom status my interest in the Blended's discipline of Titus Chu was the way in which it was done and the lack of a Biblical basis. I feel that action exposed the Blended's for what they are.

As for the Blended's discipline of Titus, I don't disagree with it being wrong. In the sphere of the Christian faith it would have been wrong but in politics that's just the name of the game. Blendeds cutting someone out for orchestrating a soft coup against their established leadership is politics. Titus bringing to light the sins of the LSM is no different then politicians using the sins of their opponents as leverage in elections yet both sides trying to justify their politics with the bible is equally wrong. That's the issue I have with holding movements like the Lord's Recovery up to scripture, it's seems to validate them more than anything else...Under it all you just won't find anything resembling biblical Christianity, rather you'll find a political machine strung together by strange occultic beliefs.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Other than that Ohio has been very explicit concerning Titus Chu's sins.

Jabs compared to the Mike Tyson left uppercut's Lee and LSM get here. Jabs are only good for points which leads me to believe either A) there exists bias and sentiment toward GLA. B) It's a lure to get Drake back. C) A little bit of both. D) None of the above and I've lost my mind. Definitely feeling like D) at the moment...

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Jabs compared to the Mike Tyson left uppercut's Lee and LSM get here. Jabs are only good for points which leads me to believe either
A) there exists bias and sentiment toward GLA.

B) It's a lure to get Drake back.

C) A little bit of both.

D) None of the above and I've lost my mind. Definitely feeling like D) at the moment...

E) Jo S is trolling us

F) Jo S is drinking and posting

F) Jo S password has been hacked by DCP

G) Jo S is reincarnation of Bilbo

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

E) Jo S is trolling us

F) Jo S is drinking and posting

F) Jo S password has been hacked by DCP

G) Jo S is reincarnation of Bilbo

I may be out of touch, but I don't think Jo S is any of these things. I just feel he's not been clear. Cuz of that I can't quite nail down where he stands. Particularly his claim of imbalance on the forum. I might be unbalanced, some might say, but I don't see all the other members being that way.

It is true that there's way more exLCer's on the forum, than LCer's. If that's the imbalanced Jo S sees, he's right. But LCer's could fix that by joining ... except, they're scared of us.

[HERn]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Ok, I hold you accountable for this reply then.........

YOU ROCK!!

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Proxy meaning two opposing sides using Localchurchdiscussions.com as a battle ground for their political agendas. We saw that when Drake was active and I see it even now. As far as the martyr narrative, I already addressed that on Jo Casteel's open letter thread...
My issue wasn't that Nee hasn't been scrutinized, it was that most arguments end at Lee/LSM when they can easily be traced back to Nee. But I get the sense it's better to end at Lee knowing DCP and LSMers reading through the forum will be more personally offended by it. I mean who wouldn't want to bring more life into the forum with a Drake comeback, right? The problem is that atmosphere I imagine keeps those that are more apprehensive from coming on board and sharing their stories. But maybe I'm just being too idealistic...Jabs compared to the Mike Tyson left uppercut's Lee and LSM get here. Jabs are only good for points which leads me to believe either A) there exists bias and sentiment toward GLA. B) It's a lure to get Drake back. C) A little bit of both. D) None of the above and I've lost my mind. Definitely feeling like D) at the moment...

Wow! You think a lack of concentration on Titus Chu and Watchman Nee on a forum trying to make sense of the Local church movement is a conspiracy to get Drake back?

I think Ohio's E, F, F, or G make a whole lot more sense.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Igzy, I agree that speaking against false spiritual authority is important BUT I can't agree with the belief that it'll lead to the downfall of an organization. Many have spoken against the heresy of one man being the voice of God yet we still have a Pope. It's good to get the info out to help other's discern but that seems to be it when it comes to religion.

Because people are held in the LR by fear, and that is really not true of the Catholic Church. I was raised a Catholic. Yes, we were taught that it is the "one true church" and all that, but the mindset is very different than that in the LR. There is no real fear of leaving the CC now. If people sweat leaving the CC now it's usually for familial/cultural reasons, not spiritual ones.

So, yes, the organization might continue. I don't really care about that. My goal is to break the stronghold of fear and bondage, so people can make their own choices.

Originally Posted by Jo S

Jesus came not to condemn or destroy the world, he came to convinct us of sin so that we can repent and be saved. Shouldn't that be our heart as well?

Of course. Love, repentance and salvation are right in line with what we are doing here.

I'm about people being saved, not organizations being destroyed. But I am for taking down spiritual strongholds that keep people from God. We are fighting a spiritual stronghold here, not people.

"For though we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh. The weapons of our warfare are not the weapons of the world. Instead, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We tear down arguments, and every presumption set up against the knowledge of God; and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." 2 Cor 10:3-5

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Jo S

I mean who wouldn't want to bring more life into the forum with a Drake comeback, right?

Me, for one. Unless he's had a turn.