RE: Open Letter - Dear Saints in the Lord's Recovery - Joann Casteel

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Ohio

For those of us who lived thru the "New Way," stories like this were common place. I heard stories of brothers who just "loved the ministry" being attacked by those who were "absolutely one with the ministry." This kind of radical combative zeal was fostered by Lee himself thru intermediaries.

Having concerns becomes equated with "attacking" the ministry.
Hey, our conscience and our emotions don't come equipped with an on/off switch. They can't be turned on or off at whim.
No one having "concerns" is seeking to create any faction. When a brother or sister gets labeled as such, it makes you wonder those doing the labeling are projecting the "faction" label.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Terry

Having concerns becomes equated with "attacking" the ministry.
Hey, our conscience and our emotions don't come equipped with an on/off switch. They can't be turned on or off at whim.
No one having "concerns" is seeking to create any faction. When a brother or sister gets labeled as such, it makes you wonder those doing the labeling are projecting the "faction" label.

And how different were these young "New Way" zealots who went around attacking all of those not sufficiently zealous for Lee's every decree.

For those who missed this delightful time, the "New Way" was not just a single "New Way" passed down from headquarters, but a continuum of ministry mandates demanding almost daily changes and immediate obedience. Lee claimed he was in a "laboratory" trying out new experiments on God's people. Yesterday's "New Way" literally became today's "Old Way," and ignorance of the latest ministry directive was suicidal to one's standing with LSM.

One can not help but draw parallels between the ministry zealots of Lee's "New Way" and Chairman Mao's Red Guards with their vicious attacks on the "Four Olds" of Chinese society -- old customs, old culture, old habits and old ideas.

[Trapped]

One of Jo Casteel's recent responses on her FB post:

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They speak so much about only caring for "life" but in recent years I really started noticing how much oppression, darkness, and anger there was in the speaking. I just listened to message 5 from last weeks semi-annual on the "The Water for Impurity." The ENTIRE message was on death and rebellion. It was awful. The saints are under so much fear and oppression.

Here is one direct quote from Mark Roby, "Don’t listen to speaking that has the element of death. Don’t listen to any speaking that has the element of rebellion. If you do and you might even say, well it’s true. You know what? Like I told you, death has good, evil, and knowledge. You say, It’s factual…yeah part of what the devil spoke to Eve was factual and part of it wasn’t. That’s the way death comes. Death comes in a sneaky way. Death comes in a camouflaged way. You say, well there’s an element of truth to that? Yeah, there’s also an element of death and an element of rebellion. If you want that, you just take in that kind of speaking into your vessel, you will be dead. And, let me tell you, somebody is going to have to spend some time to try to help you out of that death. You can’t get out of it quickly. I just ask you, I know too many saints. Nobody poisoned them. They poisoned themselves. Reading things that they know will cause death. Taking things in that they know includes death and rebellion. Lets for this purpose, let’s close our vessel and tie down the lid. The only thing we let in is life. We let the water in and we don’t let any death in.”

I was thinking to myself, yup, I have my lid on now. I'm not letting any of your death in!
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It has occurred to me that if someone relaying their truthful and very negative experiences in the LC is going to be categorized as "death"......all that does is confirm that death is present in the LC.

This is her experience. The LC calls it death. So the LC is essentially agreeing (without realizing it) that these experiences within their system are real and negative and death.

Maybe there is hope yet!

[Raptor]

Have you seen the recent letter from another ex-LCer Jo Casteel refers to? Another must read......

https://tinyurl.com/y2s5xodh