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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The history of appointing special or independent prosecutors has become quite dangerous to our American system. The Founders never envisioned this. Neither Starr nor Mueller ever accomplished their original directives, unless their real mission was purely political. Both concluded their investigations with "process crimes," aka as "perjury traps."

Clinton was never convicted of Whitewater crimes, rather for lying to protect himself and his marriage. Flynn pled guilty to lying because he was broke. The real message here is never talk to the FBI or federal prosecutors. Plead the Fifth. If you don't, you can be convicted. Not for actually lying about a crime, but for misremembering or forgetting something, or for protecting your family.

This is true and don't know what the solution is. But if we are going to talk about special investigators you have to include Nixon and Watergate.

Too much politics. We have taken financial policy out of the hands of the politicians, we should do the same with these special investigations. Perhaps judges with a lifetime appointment, dare I say the Supreme court, should have to determine if a special prosecutor is necessary and if so oversee an investigation. Senate has to call for it, Supreme court has to decide it is warranted, and Congress has to fund it. That would prevent highly partisan politics from controlling the process.

I am also going to be very disgusted if the sum total of Mueller's findings is that Trump is a shady businessman who does business with people who lie to investigators. We knew that before he even started.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am also going to be very disgusted if the sum total of Mueller's findings is that Trump is a shady businessman who does business with people who lie to investigators. We knew that before he even started.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find another kind of successful businessman. Do you think Manafort is any worse than the Podesta brothers? Did Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Yates, Holder, Strzok, Page, etc. never lie to investigators?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I think you would be hard-pressed to find another kind of successful businessman. Do you think Manafort is any worse than the Podesta brothers? Did Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Yates, Holder, Strzok, Page, etc. never lie to investigators?

Which is the point. Anyone who is in that position of power would not be able to go through that 2 year investigation without some embarrassing revelations. That is why they should not allow this to be used as a political weapon.

Another reason why these investigations should not be done in public. To the best of our ability we want a non partisan, non political appointee that is completely independent. Perhaps they could even require that the appointee for prosecutor not be a government employee. Since all prosecutors are that would be an interesting twist. But if the lawyer assigned was doing this as a civic duty and was eager to return to his lucrative practice that could also help avoid this political circus.

We should always expect, whether innocent or guilty, that these investigations will take years because you are investigating the most powerful people in the country with vast funds and plenty of counselors and experience. It is irresponsible to do this as theater.

In addition there should be forgiveness so that the prosecutor would be feared. This prosecutor should have the authority to forgive a witness for testimony relevant to the case that admits guilt in something outside of the scope of the investigation. This way we could eliminate the people lying for trivial reasons. If this was done in a closed door by this prosecutor (no politicians) that could be sued in the event they leak any of the revelations would also encourage them to be honest about non relevant matters. In this way the only real danger is if you lie and can now be convicted of obstruction when there was no downside to telling the truth and the possible upside that this prosecutor would "forgive" you of misdemeanor crimes not relevant to his scope.

[zeek]

Trump who pretended to be a Christian to get elected did not recite the Apostle's Creed printed in the program with the rest of the congregation at George HW Bush's funeral.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump who pretended to be a Christian to get elected did not recite the Apostle's Creed printed in the program with the rest of the congregation at George HW Bush's funeral.

One day you lecture us about the separation of church and state, the next day . . .


Did you notice Obama reciting the Koran?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

One day you lecture us about the separation of church and state, the next day . . .


Did you notice Obama reciting the Koran?

Obama recited the Apostles Creed and sang the hymns as did the other ex-presidents in the congregation. Trump didn't sing the hymns either. Maybe he forgot that he posed as a Christian to get elected. Everybody makes mistakes. What does the separation of church and state have to do with it?

[zeek]

Tariffman...who disguised as Donald Trump fights a never ending battle against Truth, Justice and the American Way