Greetings from NYC!

[byHismercy]

Originally Posted by Drake

ByHisMercy,

I’m not at all uncomfortable with the dialogue here. Else I would have flown the pond a long time ago.

Yet, all that you say about this forum may be accurate but that does not mean it has not fallen into group think. Consider this... you are newer here than most,,, but the vast majority of the discussions by former members is mostly reinforcing the same beliefs stated over and over for a decade or more .... and any challenges to the status quo are often met with ridicule and public shaming.... that is group think behavior..... classic attack of perceived threats and parasites that are not conforming to the group. It’s a basic human tribal instinct and reaction. A great thinker on this topic once explained to me that with groups one must learn the tribal dance or get tossed into the pot as dinner. It’s true metaphorically in modern groups. You can see it play out with some forum members who express moderated thoughts occasionally.... they get challenged fairly aggressively to conform. I’m a known quantity so if I say the sky is blue I’ll be accused of calling it green or failing to understand how blue depresses people so how dare I be so insensitive. Those are behaviors of group think seeking conformity to keep the status quo. Newbies that come here complaining will be greeted with high fives. Less than that will be greeted with a warm smile followed by a “ whoa, hold on there fella “

It’s easier to recognize if you know it’s there. But the point here is seeking validation from the group that you are integrated with is a false validation and any argument based on that is also false.

Drake

Ok, thank you for the break down. Is groupthink the reason you cannot address multitudes of unrighteous lawsuits, sexual immorality of the son of Lee protected, the shady business dealings of Lee, the unrighteous divisions, shunnings, quarantines, ummm, what else, lemme think, how about the spirit of the age playing out in the LC? You cannot see it? Or you cannot defend it, therefore you cannot speak about it? I mean, you cannot even address all the honest issues and objections......you can't lean around the elephant in the room and pretend it is not there. You just start to look a little strange, pretending it doesn't exist.....I mean, LOOK AT THE ELEPHANT, DRAKE. Address all the unrighteousness. Defend it. Use scripture, if you can. We are all big bible people, here. Let' s have it. Thanks.

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Ok, thank you for the break down. Is groupthink the reason you cannot address multitudes of unrighteous lawsuits, sexual immorality of the son of Lee protected, the shady business dealings of Lee, the unrighteous divisions, shunnings, quarantines, ummm, what else, lemme think, how about the spirit of the age playing out in the LC? You cannot see it? Or you cannot defend it, therefore you cannot speak about it? I mean, you cannot even address all the honest issues and objections......you can't lean around the elephant in the room and pretend it is not there. You just start to look a little strange, pretending it doesn't exist.....I mean, LOOK AT THE ELEPHANT, DRAKE. Address all the unrighteousness. Defend it. Use scripture, if you can. We are all big bible people, here. Let' s have it. Thanks.

No one that I knew in the LSM churches would have claimed Witness Lee was equal to Jesus. The practice of the LSM believers is to boldly follow Witness Lee and defend his ministry. His ministry isn’t really a “recovery” - he made that up. Allowing yourself to be force fed Witness Lee and the “group think” that defines the LSM church doesn’t elevate Witness Lee above Christ - in my opinion - it cheapens the experience of Christ to a lame and dying religion. It quenches the Holy Spirit’s ability to work in and through you to glorify God and be of part of building His kingdom. The Lee>Jesus that some folks see is a product of Lee’s dying religion - but not a belief that a member of his church would own.

[Nell]

Greetings from Nell!

This discussion has gone far beyond “Greetings from NYC” and the original post in the Testimonies section.

The value of posting by topic and/or subject is to be able to go back and research what has been written in the past. This is not brain surgery. The discussion could be valuable if it were properly categorized for research purposes. As it stands, 3-6 months from now, or next week, the discussion virtually never happened.

Come on folks, this is not hard...create a topic and stick to the subject. New topic, new thread. Give UntoHim a break. Give us all a break.

Nell

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

Greetings from Nell!

This discussion has gone far beyond “Greetings from NYC” and the original post in the Testimonies section.

The value of posting by topic and/or subject is to be able to go back and research what has been written in the past. This is not brain surgery. The discussion could be valuable if it were properly categorized for research purposes. As it stands, 3-6 months from now, or next week, the discussion virtually never happened.

Come on folks, this is not hard...create a topic and stick to the subject. New topic, new thread. Give UntoHim a break. Give us all a break.

Nell

Yes Nell. I agree. We should be discussing the first sentence in the OP.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by byHismercy

Ok, thank you for the break down. Is groupthink the reason you cannot address multitudes of unrighteous lawsuits, sexual immorality of the son of Lee protected, the shady business dealings of Lee, the unrighteous divisions, shunnings, quarantines, ummm, what else, lemme think, how about the spirit of the age playing out in the LC? You cannot see it? Or you cannot defend it, therefore you cannot speak about it? I mean, you cannot even address all the honest issues and objections......you can't lean around the elephant in the room and pretend it is not there. You just start to look a little strange, pretending it doesn't exist.....I mean, LOOK AT THE ELEPHANT, DRAKE. Address all the unrighteousness. Defend it. Use scripture, if you can. We are all big bible people, here. Let' s have it. Thanks.

Defend?

You are conflating things again...... for if you are saying that someone who commits sins and in so doing elevates themselves to equality with the Lord Jesus then we are all in deep trouble. ... you, me, Luminosity, everyone....

Drake