The Worst Mouthful Ever

[Drake]

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Kevin,

Anyone has the right to think whatever they want to about people who left or people who stayed. Nothing wrong with that over there or in here. Opinions will be expressed about exactly what that means. Nothing wrong with that either.

To my observation, the main issue is delivery. There or here, brother to brother, whatever your station in His calling, no christian should engage in harsh, hostile, and uncivil comments toward another... and you're not going to win an unbeliever if you lose it with them either.

Except grannies, they get a special pass... you just have to take it.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Anyone has the right to think whatever they want to about people who left or people who stayed. Nothing wrong with that over there or in here. Opinions will be expressed about exactly what that means. Nothing wrong with that either.

Unfortunately his thinking is based on the Ministry of Condemnation (II Cor. 3.9) and not the New Covenant, the perfect law of liberty. (James 1.25)

Hey Drake, have you forgotten that even LC members are responsible for their words? Or does that verse only apply to everybody else? (Matt 12.36-37)

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Unfortunately his thinking is based on the Ministry of Condemnation (II Cor. 3.9) and not the New Covenant, the perfect law of liberty. (James 1.25)

Hey Drake, have you forgotten that even LC members are responsible for their words? Or does that verse only apply to everybody else? (Matt 12.36-37)

The immediate context of Matt 12.36-37 (as indicated by the first word "but" in the sentence of verse 36 which indicates relationship with the previous verses 35 etc), is speaking good and evil, including, saying evil things against the Son of Man or the Holy Spirit (verse 32).

Now if there is any evil in what this person said, then please point it out. I cannot see any evil... recalling that this is evil and good from God's point of view, not ours. (FYI we don't get to define what is evil, only God does).

So based on scripture and some common sense:

- it is not evil to call someone a leper, viper, snake, fox etc - Christ did also
- it is not evil to declare the authority of the church
- it is not evil to point out the "self" of pride, ambition, arrogance
- it is not evil to reply to someone's Facebook post even if they don't want you to
- it is not evil to say that the Church has everything and sects have nothing


- is it saying bad against Christ or the Spirit? - no
- is it speaking positively about any sort of evil - no

All in all this could be considered an exhortation, rebuke, or admonishment by a concerned brother.

We live in a world of delicate flowers, who get offended at every turn. When we analyze this post factually we can see there really is no evil in it as far as the Bible is concerned.

My bible tells me that judgement in the house of God is acceptable, and it is those outside we are not to judge (namely, unbelievers).

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

So based on scripture and some common sense:

- it is not evil to call someone a leper, viper, snake, fox etc - Christ did also
- it is not evil to declare the authority of the church
- it is not evil to point out the "self" of pride, ambition, arrogance
- it is not evil to reply to someone's Facebook post even if they don't want you to
- it is not evil to say that the Church has everything and sects have nothing



All in all this could be considered an exhortation, rebuke, or admonishment by a concerned brother.

Concerned brother???

We live in a world of delicate flowers, who get offended at every turn.

So calling out the wrongs of Lee and his yes men, calling them evil is not offensive to you? And when people did call him out or offend the LC, not only did they turn into a world of delicate flowers, but excommunicated people who offended the LSM delicate flowers!!!

That was PURE EVIL what was said to Kevin! Take off your rose colored glasses while you can Mr E!! Shame on you for condoning what this 'concerned brother' wrote and said. SHAME ON YOU!

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Concerned brother??? So calling out the wrongs of Lee and his yes men, calling them evil is not offensive to you? And when people did call him out or offend the LC, not only did they turn into a world of delicate flowers, but excommunicated people who offended the LSM delicate flowers!!!
That was PURE EVIL what was said to Kevin! Take off your rose colored glasses while you can Mr E!! Shame on you for condoning what this 'concerned brother' wrote and said. SHAME ON YOU!

Please point out exactly which words he said to Kevin that was evil, or even "pure evil". Please provide the quote, and we'll evaluate it according to what the Bible, not man, calls evil - Did it speak evil of Christ, of the church, or against God's commands? Did it speak in favor of the Devil, division, and breaking God's commands? These are the sorts of things which the Bible says are evil. Something is not evil just because someone thinks it is.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Please point out exactly which words he said to Kevin that was evil, or even "pure evil". Please provide the quote, and we'll evaluate it according to what the Bible, not man, calls evil - Did it speak evil of Christ, of the church, or against God's commands? Did it speak in favor of the Devil, division, and breaking God's commands? These are the sorts of things which the Bible says are evil. Something is not evil just because someone thinks it is.

Satan quoted the scriptures to JESUS and SATAN IS PURE EVIL! Many 'Christian' cults interpret and quote the bible and they are PURE EVIL! but like you, they do not see it that way.

God did not give us a Spirit of fear. and that is what the bozo Lcmr was trying to inflict on Kevin.

There was No LOVE in his post...that is God's Love. The LCM has a false, counterfeit 'love' reserved for it's own.

Be careful mr E. that you don't hear the words:

I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the [d]deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place—unless you repent.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Satan quoted the scriptures to JESUS and SATAN IS PURE EVIL! Many 'Christian' cults interpret and quote the bible and they are PURE EVIL! but like you, they do not see it that way.

God did not give us a Spirit of fear. and that is what the bozo Lcmr was trying to inflict on Kevin.

There was No LOVE in his post...that is God's Love. The LCM has a false, counterfeit 'love' reserved for it's own.

Be careful mr E. that you don't hear the words:

Yes, he could be, but we don't know, and we have made him into the devil incarnate, a stranger, on the basis of one or few internet posts, obviously English not his first language. I understand Kevin is upset, I would be too, he has every right to be. But what are we dealing with here? The replaying of the temptation of Christ in the desert? If this fellow is Satan Himself then I suppose Kevin is Jesus.

Satan questioned and tempted Jesus about whether he was the Son of God. That is what was evil. It was not the quoting of Scripture which was evil, or in this case, a disagreement between brethren - although his communication can be improved, there is nothing intrinsically evil about what he said. So it's possibly in the realm of being unwise in our speech, not the realm of evil.

A more mature reaction by Kevin to this sort of thing would be to acknowledge his opinions, perhaps thank him for them, and move on. Not display it on this forum for all to see, where he can then be called pure evil and all sorts of things. If they are indeed in a cult, then we should treat them as those with mental illness - it is not their fault they say these things, to react is to make it worse.

Is this fellow quoting scripture to Kevin to try and make him leave or deny Christ? Is he asking Kevin to commit some sort of sin? I see no evidence of that in his post.

Is he trying to make Kevin afraid? Possibly, but with what fear? The fear of God, possibly? Perhaps the love of Christ and the Church compelled him to say a strong word. We cannot know. God does not exactly punish religious zeal if it is for Christ - Luther, Calvin, Finney, etc many Reformers had it. Saul/Paul was religiously zealous but that was driven by an anti-Christ motive. God's love comes in many forms, even a stern word, a harsh rebuke.

Instead, I see a tendency to over-react by delicate flowers (myself included, or to be biblical - grass) that is more in the realm of "evil" against political correctness and internet manners than actual biblically-defined evil (if we only consider the words themselves, the person may be evil in their heart, we don't know).

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

We live in a world of delicate flowers, who get offended at every turn. When we analyze this post factually we can see there really is no evil in it as far as the Bible is concerned.

Nah. It was quite obvious tho.