Poor, poor Christianity...

[UntoHim]

So Drake, Do you hate Anglicans or Episcopalians?
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[Drake]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

So Drake, Do you hate Anglicans or Episcopalians?
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UntoHim,

No.

But if I did hate someone I would probably rail against them openly. You would definitely know it because I would use derogatory terms like “snobby, priggish, “etc. I would reacte to them with personal insults. Hate is a powerful emotion that drives people to do and say things that leaves civility behind.

Stuff like that.

I can’t imagine hate driving me to the extent that I would accuse the object of my hate of saying things he didn’t. But apparently some people cast off all restraint and express hate even to that extent. I’ve seen this and then they justify that hatred by wrapping it in scripture. It is incompatible with being a Christian so something has to be done to cover it up.

Why do you ask?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

UntoHim,

No.

But if I did hate someone I would probably rail against them openly.

You would definitely know it because I would use derogatory terms like “snobby, priggish, “etc. I would reacte to them with personal insults. Hate is a powerful emotion that drives people to do and say things that leaves civility behind.

Stuff like that.

I can’t imagine hate driving me to the extent that I would accuse the object of my hate of saying things he didn’t. But apparently some people cast off all restraint and express hate even to that extent. I’ve seen this and then they justify that hatred by wrapping it in scripture. It is incompatible with being a Christian so something has to be done to cover it up.

Why do you ask?

Drake

You and LSM have been railing openly against all Christianity for decades.

Why limit your hatred to just the Episcopalians?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You and LSM have been railing openly against all Christianity for decades.

Why limit your hatred to just the Episcopalians?

UntoHim,

There is what I mean.

Good example of accusing someone of saying something that they didn’t.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

UntoHim,

There is what I mean.

Good example of accusing someone of saying something that they didn’t.

Drake

Did you not start this thread lambasting all of Christianity using some pathetic event in SanFran to characterize the entire body of Christ? Then Evangelical chimed in unison. Did you not bear false witness against all of your brothers when you opened this post?

Or am I mistaken? Are there two ducks in the house?

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Did you not start this thread lambasting all of Christianity using some pathetic event in SanFran to characterize the entire body of Christ? Then Evangelical chimed in unison. Did you not bear false witness against all of your brothers when you opened this post?

Or am I mistaken? Are there two ducks in the house?

"hate the sin, love the sinner"

In the OP Drake already clarified that he did not mean the whole of Christianity is poor. So he is not "characterizing the entire body of Christ" and not speaking about "all of your brothers". For example, I don't believe Drake had anyone on this forum in mind, probably there are no Bey worshippers here.

But are you a secret Bey worshipper Ohio? Is that why you feel Drake is condemning you when he condemns Beyonce worship? Are you humming the tune of Halo "I can feel your halo (halo) halo .. "when you read the Bible?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

"hate the sin, love the sinner"

Physician heal thyself.

This is merely an empty, feel good saying in the LCM.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

"hate the sin, love the sinner"

In the OP Drake already clarified that he did not mean the whole of Christianity is poor. So he is not "characterizing the entire body of Christ" and not speaking about "all of your brothers". For example, I don't believe Drake had anyone on this forum in mind, probably there are no Bey worshippers here.

Thankfully no one thus far is proposing Bey worship! Most of the entries in this thread are reasoned and offering differing views without misunderstanding or purposefully misrepresenting the OP. Such are examples of civil discourse where people with different perspectives can disagree agreeably ....even vigorously. Those are generally accepted conditions for participating in discussions face to face or online.

That is how it should be.

It becomes toxic when vigor leads to misrepresentation of others views with whom you disagree as in the case of the post you cited above. The OP expressed my belief but the poster restates my belief to match one he wants to debate. Rather than disagree with the OP on its merits he prefers to create a version of it that he is comfortable debating against and hopes he can thereby win the argument if only in his own mind. That is a proverbial straw man argument.

“A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.” Wikipedia

Drake

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

So Drake, Do you hate Anglicans or Episcopalians?
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Originally Posted by Drake

No.
But if I did hate someone I would probably rail against them openly. You would definitely know it because I would use derogatory terms like “snobby, priggish, “etc. I would reacte to them with personal insults. Hate is a powerful emotion that drives people to do and say things that leaves civility behind.

Just a "No" would have sufficed. Frankly, the rest of your answer sounds more like O.J. Simpson's "If I Did It" than a simple, honest answer. Of course my inquiring was not totally innocent. I had a suspicion it would prick your conscience, and force you to play defense on your on your own "attack Christianity" thread. Easy pickins...shootin fish in a barrel.

Your original thesis in the OP is so faulty and full of holes that it's hard to know where to begin. In fact, you actually found a way to debunk your own claim while making the claim itself! I mean, who painted with a broader brush than Witness Lee? Whose critiques were any more misinformed and decidedly ignorant than Brother LǐChángshòu? And the red letter example of his sheer lack of awareness and stark unenlightenment is his infamous declaration "poor, poor Christianity". And to be sure, Lee NEVER, EVER made the kind of distinctions that our friend Drake is trying to make us swallow here. The context of Witness's claims were always thrown out with the widest net one could possible imagine. Any claim to the contrary is just self-serving revisionist history.
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