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[Drake]

Originally Posted by aron

Most of the rest of us have witnessed this. "Get out of your mind, get your spirit in gear" was the song. Don't think, it will only confuse you.
Witness Lee said he did all the "cooking" (assembling doctrine). All we had to do was "eat" (brainlessly imbibe his doctrine).
Not sure what patch of the LC you were in. Your anecdotal experience doesn't match most of the testimonies I've seen.

Your, and a dozen others in this forum, anecdotal experience, what is best described as oppressive and nutty, does not match mine or hundreds of thousands of others in the Lords Recovery.

I accept that.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Drake

Your, and a dozen others in this forum, anecdotal experience, what is best described as oppressive and nutty, does not match mine or hundreds of thousands of others in the Lords Recovery.

I accept that.

10 See that ye despise not one of these little ones: for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

A bully will always attack the weakest, smallest, least able to defend themselves. Ignoring their testimony, dismissing their testimony, this is how predators are able to operate.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

10 See that ye despise not one of these little ones: for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

A bully will always attack the weakest, smallest, least able to defend themselves. Ignoring their testimony, dismissing their testimony, this is how predators are able to operate.

I agree! There are many notable bullies in this forum who day in and day out launch vicious ad hominem attacks on current members in the local churches in and out of this forum.

Apparently that is why that sister left. The anger and bitterness created an environment that was too toxic.

Drake

[aron]

Originally Posted by Drake

Apparently that is why that sister left. The anger and bitterness created an environment that was too toxic.

So if she says we're "bitter and angry" you agree. If she says that we had "thwarted ambitions" you agree. But if I say that Lee was "bitter and angry" then that's a personal attack? If we say Lee was voracious for the parishioner's money that's an unfounded personal assault?

Why the double standards?

Have you ever read The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion? If you want to see ad hominem attacks, they're there. But I never once saw Lee called to task in the LC for his characterisations of others.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by aron

So if she says we're "bitter and angry" you agree. If she says that we had "thwarted ambitions" you agree. But if I say that Lee was "bitter and angry" then that's a personal attack? If we say Lee was voracious for the parishioner's money that's an unfounded personal assault?

Why the double standards?

Have you ever read The Fermentation of the Present Rebellion? If you want to see ad hominem attacks, they're there. But I never once saw Lee called to task in the LC for his characterisations of others.

She is referring to the anger and bitterness served up in this forum day in and day out. You don’t see that? Or are you arguing for moral equivalency?

Drake

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by Drake

There are many notable bullies in this forum who day in and day out launch vicious ad hominem attacks on current members in the local churches in and out of this forum.

Name the vicious ad hominem attack. NAME ONE. POST THE QUOTE.
FOCUS, DRAKE, FOCUS!
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[Drake]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Name the vicious ad hominem attack. NAME ONE. POST THE QUOTE.
FOCUS, DRAKE, FOCUS!
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I’ll open with this.

http://localchurchdiscussions.com/vB...6&postcount=90

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

I’ll open with this.

http://localchurchdiscussions.com/vB...6&postcount=90

There's no there-there in pointing out your faux-rage, and since Philip Lee ran LSM for many years, your defense of LSM is a defense of Philip's bad behaviors.

Focus Drake, please Focus.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

There's no there-there in pointing out your faux-rage, and since Philip Lee ran LSM for many years, your defense of LSM is a defense of Philip's bad behaviors.

Ohio,

Your vicious ad hominem attack of charging me with defending Philip Lee is a real time example of the anger and bitterness that creates the toxic atmosphere that caused that sister to leave.

I’m still waiting for one example, one I tell you, where I everr supported Philip Lee.

Drake

[UntoHim]

That's pretty weak, Mr. Drake, even for you.

Since the vicious ad hominem attacks go on "day in and day out" it shouldn't be so hard, now should it?
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[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Drake

......moral equivalency..............

.......ad hominem.........

.......non-sequitur.........

Drake, I see you have knowledge of informal fallacies however your application of that knowledge is all wrong.

Informal fallacies are commited in the context of a formal debate.

We're all just regular people here on the forum having a discussion and sharing our personal views. There are no formal debates going on here.

When Jesus called the Pharisees "whitewashed tombs" was he committing a fallacy? No, he was speaking the truth.

Please don't make people here feel guilty for expressing their emotions and make it as if they're being stupid for doing so. Let the Lord sort it all out.

/rant off

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Jo S

Drake, I see you have knowledge of informal fallacies however your application of that knowledge is all wrong.

Informal fallacies are commited in the context of a formal debate.

We're all just regular people here on the forum having a discussion and sharing our personal views. There are no formal debates going on here.

When Jesus called the Pharisees "whitewashed tombs" was he committing a fallacy? No, he was speaking the truth.

Please don't make people here feel guilty for expressing their emotions and make it as if they're being stupid for doing so. Let the Lord sort it all out.

/rant off

Hi Jo S,

A fallacy in argument applies not just to formal debates. They are repeated here too.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Your, and a dozen others in this forum, anecdotal experience, what is best described as oppressive and nutty, does not match mine or hundreds of thousands of others in the Lords Recovery.

I accept that.

Don't forget about the thousands in the Midwest and Brazil who have suffered LSM's rampant abuses, lawsuits, and divisions.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

10 See that ye despise not one of these little ones: for I say unto you, that in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

A bully will always attack the weakest, smallest, least able to defend themselves. Ignoring their testimony, dismissing their testimony, this is how predators are able to operate.

One of my first conclusions, when departing from the LC, was that "this program changes beloved brothers into bullies." I saw this on every level.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Don't forget about the thousands in the Midwest and Brazil who have suffered LSM's rampant abuses, lawsuits, and divisions.

Focus Ohio.

Focus.