Whistleblower

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Work place sexual abuse is not a crime?

Using your position to disadvantage the staff, often volunteers, is just a sin? Is that a mortal sin or just a venial sin, Drake?

Ohio,

Of course, sexual abuse is a crime. Anywhere.

What’s your point?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Ohio, Of course, sexual abuse is a crime. Anywhere. What’s your point?

Your post #54 implied it was merely an affair.

You quickly rush to judge Ingalls, but never place responsibility on your MOTA.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Your post #54 implied it was merely an affair.
You quickly rush to judge Ingalls, but never place responsibility on your MOTA.

Ohio,

So you are saying that Warren Peterson’s eyewitness testimony is inaccurate and that brothers John and Godfred received a confession and repentance from the sister when they should not have since she was a victim and not a willing participant.

If you believe that then why didn’t they call the cops?


“"...when they began to engage in mutually compromising immoral physical contact........The elders then went to the sister to confront her on the matter and she immediately confessed that the story was true and broke down in tears. She was very sorry and expressed her remorse and repentance to the elders. “

Your sensational charge of rape does not hold up. The eyewitness testimony states consensual and Brothers John and Godfred, the elders, did not report the crime. Unless you believe the elders were also negligent in caring for the flock by not reporting a crime and complicit in the crime by allowing it to go unchecked for a year or more.

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Ohio,

So you are saying that Warren Peterson’s eyewitness testimony is inaccurate and that brothers John and Godfred received a confession and repentance from the sister when they should not have since she was a victim and not a willing participant.

If you believe that then why didn’t they call the cops?


“"...when they began to engage in mutually compromising immoral physical contact........The elders then went to the sister to confront her on the matter and she immediately confessed that the story was true and broke down in tears. She was very sorry and expressed her remorse and repentance to the elders. “

Your sensational charge of rape does not hold up. The eyewitness testimony states consensual and Brothers John and Godfred, the elders, did not report the crime. Unless you believe the elders were also negligent in caring for the flock by not reporting a crime and complicit in the crime by allowing it to go unchecked for a year or more.

Drake

Get your facts straight.

These events happened a decade apart.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Get your facts straight.

These events happened a decade apart.

Well ,ok. Indiana just tossed that in without putting it a timeframe, so don’t get so snippy.

Take your pick..... neither support the rape allegation you made.

What testimony makes that case? Nothing presented thus far substantiates that allegation.

Don’t you think that if Brother John thought a rape was committed that he would have called the police?

Seriously, what kind of person do you think he was?

Drake

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Drake

Well ,ok. Indiana just tossed that in without putting it a timeframe, so don’t get so snippy.
Take your pick..... neither support the rape allegation you made.
What testimony makes that case? Nothing presented thus far substantiates that allegation.

So I am "snippy" for telling you to get your facts straight before you challenge men of God and defend that degenerate Philip Lee?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Ohio

So I am "snippy" for telling you to get your facts straight before you challenge men of God and defend that degenerate Philip Lee?

Right. Snippy.

Provide the citation that substantiates rape. And stop mischaracterizing my objections. I am not defending Philip Lee.

Drake

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

Ohio,

So you are saying that Warren Peterson’s eyewitness testimony is inaccurate and that brothers John and Godfred received a confession and repentance from the sister when they should not have since she was a victim and not a willing participant.

The evidence presented suggests the sister was a willing participant. Else what did she have to repent for.

Originally Posted by Drake

If you believe that then why didn’t they call the cops?

Again, you are right bro Drake. But more often than not it doesn't work that way. Consider that all parties are devoted to selling to the world Christ and the Church. So the last thing any of them would want to do is to degrade and stain that message. Going to the authorities would make it public, and would give the church a bad rep. Their reflex would be to keep it in house.

If the sister was forcibly violated then, she shouldn't have taken the assault to anyone in the church. She should have gone straight to the cops. But there again, since she said that, she "served [LSM] sacrificially and faithfully" her reflex would be to protect the reputation of that which she was devoting her life to.

The best way to do that was to take it to the elder(s). And if you ask me, the elder(s) should be legally obligated to report it to the authorities. But again, everyone would want to protect the message that they were giving their whole life to. To accomplish that, if her devotion was still intact, it's likely the sister would carry that as her silent cross, while going on with Christ and the Church.

Surely you understand that ... right bro Drake?

It's been a long time, but I can still put myself into that mindset. And I can tell you right here and now that, in that devotional mind set, the last thing I would want is for any of this to reach the public eye.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by awareness

Surely you understand that ... right bro Drake?
It's been a long time, but I can still put myself into that mindset. And I can tell you right here and now that, in that devotional mind set, the last thing I would want is for any of this to reach the public eye.

Yes Awareness, I understand that a person can be a willing participant for a personal preference or even a belief in a noble cause. Still, that is consensual. I am objecting to the sensationalism and mischaracterization of calling it rape. She did not claim it was rape.John or Godfred did not call it rape. The only ones calling it rape are forum members.....

You misunderstand me on your last point. I am of the belief that anything that can be destroyed should be destroyed. I have no need to hide anything from the public eye. I am not so inclined. But neither do I cast off all restraint.... we always must consider our words before the Lord and be well pleasing to Him.

Drake

[Nell]

http://localchurchdiscussions.com/vB...18&postcount=1

Originally Posted by happiernow

The church allows sexual predators to flourish. I have experienced this first hand. Does anyone else have experience with this?

Happiernow's full story was posted only a few minutes. I happened to open it and read it before she deleted it. She revealed so much information but thought better of it. She deleted it quickly.

Originally Posted by Nell

Happiernow,
Your story breaks my heart. I'm so sorry. It's amazing that you have chosen "happiernow" as your moniker. I believe that during the horror you've experienced in your young life, that God was weeping with you and his heart is surely broken also. The things you described are not of Him, but clearly from his enemy, the Devil.

No one can hurt you as much as your family. That includes your earthly family as well as your Christian brothers and sisters. There are many stories of abuse by Local Church "authorities" who lord it over God's children.
Please don't give up on Him. How can I help you?
Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Happiernow's full story was posted only a few minutes. I happened to open it and read it before she deleted it. She revealed so much information but thought better of it. She deleted it quickly.

I also read Happiernow's full story which was posted.

It was far worse than Nell is now telling us.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Drake

I am objecting to the sensationalism and mischaracterization of calling it rape.

Maybe I missed it, but I asked twice if poster's out here are saying the sister was raped, and neither time was the answer "yes."

Philip was acting the big shot and was sexually inappropriate when I was there but it was kept secret. I was gone by the time it came to light. But I've been on these forums for years, and if he ever did, I've never heard he rape a sister. If he did I'm sorry for that sister(s), but if so she should have reported it to the law then and there.

But if it did happen, and the sister(s) kept quiet, I understand. We can't talk freely about sex out here on this forum, much, much, much less in the LC environment. That is very clear with John I. The sister's claim was dealt with very hush-hushly. Even when he confronted it, and the offense wasn't dealt with, John didn't follow Matthew 18, and announce it to the church. Talking about sex is anathema to Christians in general. I can't even mention spiritual h******ts out here, for some weird strange reason.

Originally Posted by Drake

She did not claim it was rape.John or Godfred did not call it rape.

We've seen claims of rape in the MeToo movement, but long after the statue of limitation has passed. Perhaps that will happen with sisters in the LC. Maybe. Maybe not. Time will tell. Look how long it took for Watchman Nee's rapes to come out. Those three sisters didn't report it either. Why, bro Drake, why?

Originally Posted by Drake

You misunderstand me on your last point. I am of the belief that anything that can be destroyed should be destroyed. I have no need to hide anything from the public eye. I am not so inclined. But neither do I cast off all restraint.... we always must consider our words before the Lord and be well pleasing to Him.
Drake

I might be wrong, I don't know, but I think speaking the truth pleases the Lord.

Thanks for your reply bro Drake. You're a peach.