Healthy Submission vs. Lording it over

[IDon'tKnow]

Well I guess that related to this thread I posted on the previous thread this

I remember one brother told me that basically he wasn't experiencing anything, but that he had faith that he was experiencing even though he wasn't. Anyway I get the impression that when it came down to it he had been brought to a point where it didn't matter whether the ministry matched his experience, his inward feeling, his outward situation, anything, all that mattered was that the ministry was the correct interpretation of the bible, and that if anything within him disagreed with the ministry that was from the self and the soul and not to be trusted, after all the ministry said so. This definitely seemed to be my experience anyway, and from looking around I wouldn't be shocked if it reflected the experiences of many. My point is that I think that to a certain extent the ministry brings people to the point where they due to the inherently subjective nature of spiritual experiences (How can you really tell the difference between the spirit and the soul anyway) are unwilling to trust what they are experiencing simply to trust what is spoken in the ministry, after all it was from the minister of the age hence his spiritual experience is to be trusted. I.E. people are brought to a point where they are no longer capable of trusting any of their own faculties. Would this count as mind control? I don't know. I would be interested in hearing the experiences of others related to this.

Also can I suggest that when speaking about the responsibility for what went on I think it is best to get away from thinking of things in terms of 50/50 responsibility or 60/40 or whatever. I think in terms of responsibility it is best to simply state I am 100% responsible for my being controlled, and that the other person also is 100% responsible for what he did. I think this is practical because in the end we are all valible, fallen human beings and we cannot rely on others to be perfect and know what they were doing. More importantly it is up to us to learn from our own mistakes (we should probably learn from others while were at it too), but it is up to everyone else to learn from theirs.