The Unique Move of God

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

It is unique in that Christianity is about following the person of Christ, and not doing many things or trying to work our way into heaven. That's why people like Bill O'Reilly say it is more a philosophy not a religion.

Do you mean following Christ as opposed to focusing on Buddha or Krishna and receiving their grace? Are you seriously quoting O'Reilly the serial harasser as an authority on this subject?

[Koinonia]

Oh, I forgot to add, that we do all the above, while taking care of a family, and working in a highly demanding professional job such as a lawyer or medical doctor, on top of being an elder and listening to everyone's problems and complaints. And unlike a pastor or priest, we don't get paid for "counselling" and we spend much of our Sunday in church-related things.

Sorry it's not enough "religious work" for you (sarcasm again). I forgot that we must be out on the street feeding soup to homeless people to be truly doing what God asks, and all these things are not enough (sarcasm again).

Evangelical, is this a joke? . . . Sometime I wonder if your posts are some kind of satire, and we are missing it . . .

And for the umpteenth time--who is we? Who are you referring to? You sound so presumptuous. You are high-powered professional (lawyer or medical doctor), "on top of being an elder," and you have to listen to everyone's problems and complaints. Yet, heaven forbid you help homeless people. You already do enough for the Lord. What an attitude.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Evangelical, is this a joke? . . . Sometime I wonder if your posts are some kind of satire, and we are missing it . . .

And for the umpteenth time--who is we? Who are you referring to? You sound so presumptuous. You are high-powered professional (lawyer or medical doctor), "on top of being an elder," and you have to listen to everyone's problems and complaints. Yet, heaven forbid you help homeless people. You already do enough for the Lord. What an attitude.

You seem to think that while a person is faithful to their calling in such a way as I mentioned, you also expect them to be handing out soup.

Haven't you just presumed that because one is a lawyer or doctor or an elder they aren't helping people? I never used the word 'high powered", that is your strawman. Lawyers and doctors serve homeless and poor people too.

The apostle Paul said "Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel".

Sorry Paul, but Koinonia thinks you don't do enough for God.

If Paul were here you would criticize him for only preaching the gospel and not doing much else! You would say, "Paul, why are you wasting time making tents why aren't you out feeding soup to the homeless"? He might say to you "Christ did not send me to feed soup but to preach the gospel".

Who is "we"? WE is me and others. Who is "you"?

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

You seem to think that while a person is faithful to their calling in such a way as I mentioned, you also expect them to be handing out soup.

"Strawman."

Haven't you just presumed that because one is a lawyer or doctor or an elder they aren't helping people? I never used the word 'high powered", that is your strawman. Lawyers and doctors serve homeless and poor people too.

"Strawman."

The apostle Paul said "Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel".

Sorry Paul, but Koinonia thinks you don't do enough for God.

"Strawman."

If Paul were here you would criticize him for only preaching the gospel and not doing much else! You would say, "Paul, why are you wasting time making tents why aren't you out feeding soup to the homeless"? He might say to you "Christ did not send me to feed soup but to preach the gospel".

"Strawman."

Who is "we"? WE is me and others. Who is "you"?

Every time you use "we" in the way that you do, you effectively denominate yourself and the group you claim to speak for.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

"Strawman."

"Strawman."

"Strawman."

"Strawman."

Every time you use "we" in the way that you do, you effectively denominate yourself and the group you claim to speak for.

You think we are a denomination anyway so I dont think my use of the word we is denominating myself.

I have tried before to write as if everyone is in the same church as me but it doesn't work because people keep reminding me that we are a denomination. I dont think people here would want me to think of them as being part of the recovery.

Even if you were in the recovery in a certain locality I might use the word we to refer to my church.

[Koinonia]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

You think we are a denomination anyway so I dont think my use of the word we is denominating myself.

I have tried before to write as if everyone is in the same church as me but it doesn't work because people keep reminding me that we are a denomination. I dont think people here would want me to think of them as being part of the recovery.

Even if you were in the recovery in a certain locality I might use the word we to refer to my church.

Evangelical, the reason people wouldn't want you to think of them as being "part of the recovery" is because there is no such thing. There is no "the recovery." There is no "we." There is just the church, the Body of Christ. You are part of it, and I am part of it. Every time you say "we, we, we," every time you say, "part of the Recovery," or "join the recovery," or "join the LSM," you make the church something smaller than it is.

The church is all the believers. Don't you want that?

[Koinonia]

Evangelical, it strikes me every time I see it. Your persistent sectarian use of the words "we" and "us" betrays your denominational mindset. You have created the denomination by your attitude.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Koinonia

Evangelical, the reason people wouldn't want you to think of them as being "part of the recovery" is because there is no such thing. There is no "the recovery." There is no "we." There is just the church, the Body of Christ. You are part of it, and I am part of it. Every time you say "we, we, we," every time you say, "part of the Recovery," or "join the recovery," or "join the LSM," you make the church something smaller than it is.

The church is all the believers. Don't you want that?

You are confusing the universal church with the local one. The universal church is a given and many times the discussion on here is about the local church. If I am talking about the universal church I will say "us", if I am talking about my local church, I will say "we". If I asked you a question about your church , aren't you going to use the word "we" or "my church" also?