ETERNAL TORMENT IS FALSE TEACHING WHAT SAY YE'?

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by zeek

Now now Don. Harold's not Satan. A Halloween witch maybe, but not Satan.

Ken...you and Harold remind me of a couple of characters in the book "screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis.)

[zeek]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Ken...you and Harold remind me of a couple of characters in the book "screwtape letters by C.S. Lewis.)

You have such a vivid imagination. Good. A rich imagination is a sign of intelligence. But, let us hope, not intelligence gone array. I immensely enjoyed The Screwtape Letters @ 40 years ago when I was in college a member of Inter-varsity a campus Christian Club and the Baptist Student Union. That was before I was contacted by Witness Lee's Local Church where I was exhorted to read nothing but the Bible and Witness Lee's writings. Even Watchman Nee's works were discouraged because they weren't in the up-to-date flow. What an indoctrination I got there! Whew, it made my head spin like Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

But, I digress... what you are doing is demonizing old Harold and I. And you are doing it quite literally rather than in the metaphorical sense in which the term is used in politics. What you're experiencing is a fear of the Other.

Personally, I don't mind it. It's not like I'm trying to be accepted in your cult or sect, or political pod or whatever. I am here at the pleasure of UntoHim who runs this joint and can kick me out at any time. He and I have had our go-rounds and we have come to appreciate each at least in the dungeon here that we call Alt Views. I rarely venture into the so-called "open" forums of this site where all but the orthodox evangelical argue with each other and other POVs freak people out. Boring.

So, anyway, this is kind of neutral ground where we can talk and tell the truth as we see it. So, welcome to you Don. I bear no animosity toward you for kicking me out of your special club or unfriending me. Given what I perceive to be your mindset, I wouldn't have it any other way.

So, Harold and I are threatening to you, dangerous as it were?

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by zeek

You have such a vivid imagination. Good. A rich imagination is a sign of intelligence. But, let us hope, not intelligence gone array. I immensely enjoyed The Screwtape Letters @ 40 years ago when I was in college a member of Inter-varsity a campus Christian Club and the Baptist Student Union. That was before I was contacted by Witness Lee's Local Church where I was exhorted to read nothing but the Bible and Witness Lee's writings. Even Watchman Nee's works were discouraged because they weren't in the up-to-date flow. What an indoctrination I got there! Whew, it made my head spin like Linda Blair's in the Exorcist.

But, I digress... what you are doing is demonizing old Harold and I. And you are doing it quite literally rather than in the metaphorical sense in which the term is used in politics. What you're experiencing is a fear of the Other.

Personally, I don't mind it. It's not like I'm trying to be accepted in your cult or sect, or political pod or whatever. I am here at the pleasure of UntoHim who runs this joint and can kick me out at any time. He and I have had our go-rounds and we have come to appreciate each at least in the dungeon here that we call Alt Views. I rarely venture into the so-called "open" forums of this site where all but the orthodox evangelical argue with each other and other POVs freak people out. Boring.

So, anyway, this is kind of neutral ground where we can talk and tell the truth as we see it. So, welcome to you Don. I bear no animosity toward you for kicking me out of your special club or unfriending me. Given what I perceive to be your mindset, I wouldn't have it any other way.

So, Harold and I are threatening to you, dangerous as it were?

Not to me.... but IMHO to yourselves and innocent bystanders.

Shock value is over rated....

Unbridled tongues are like a ship without a rudder. They ram and sink newbies.

As I scan the topics here on Altered states......I can't imagine how this all came to be.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Not to me.... but IMHO to yourselves and innocent bystanders.

Shock value is over rated....

Unbridled tongues are like a ship without a rudder. They ram and sink newbies.

As I scan the topics here on Altered states......I can't imagine how this all came to be.

Personally I'm not going for shock value. My tongue is bridled with civility and the truth as I see it. You can make it your job to patch and float the newbies assuming that there are any following the forum. It might seem kind of patronizing to those you categorize as such though.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by manna-man

They . . . sink newbies.

The most important thing the newbies can learn is critical thinking, and to think for themselves ... to not just accept the traditions of me, that so many want to push on them.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

The most important thing the newbies can learn is critical thinking, and to think for themselves ... to not just accept the traditions of me, that so many want to push on them.

Eehhem!

What happened to getting back to the joys of eternal torment?

Here's the truth in Love.

You tried to destroy that group. You were rude to my cousin. You entered that group with guns blazing and no consideration for anyones situation and total disregard for what I was attempting to do.

It was nothing but a joke to you. In that one morning you generated at least 30 notifications to everyone in the group. These people didn't even have time to understand that they have been placed into that group just like yourself.

If anything they were getting a crash coarse in critical thinking like you say! But when my cousin stood up and declared o you..."if you don't like the group..you know the way out" Obviously defending the group I just started.

You unleashed on her. This all happened before 9:30 a.m. of the first day of the group.

You said to me..essentially....the group needed you with your vast knowledge and books you had accumulated.

You even dared me to remove you from the group!

And yes.... There were over 230 witnesses!

Am I afraid of you?

No.

But I am wise to what you are doing.

You are sowing doubt to all who would believe you and passing it off as responsible reasoning.

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

The most important thing the newbies can learn is critical thinking, and to think for themselves ... to not just accept the traditions of me, that so many want to push on them.

Eehhem!

What happened to getting back to the joys of eternal torment?

Here's the truth in Love.

You tried to destroy that group. You were rude to my cousin. You entered that group with guns blazing and no consideration for anyones situation and total disregard for what I was attempting to do.

It was nothing but a joke to you. In that one morning you generated at least 30 notifications to everyone in the group. These people didn't even have time to understand that they have been placed into that group just like yourself.

If anything they were getting a crash coarse in critical thinking like you say! But when my cousin stood up and declared o you..."if you don't like the group..you know the way out" Obviously defending the group I just started.

You unleashed on her. This all happened before 9:30 a.m. of the first day of the group.

You said to me..essentially....the group needed you with your vast knowledge and books you had accumulated.

You even dared me to remove you from the group!

And yes.... There wer over 230 witnesses!

Am I afraid of you?

No.

But I am wise to what you are doing.

You are sowing doubt to all who would believe you and passing it off as responsible reasoning.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by manna-man

Eehhem!

What happened to getting back to the joys of eternal torment?

Here's the truth in Love.

You tried to destroy that group. You were rude to my cousin. You entered that group with guns blazing and no consideration for anyones situation and total disregard for what I was attempting to do.

It was nothing but a joke to you. In that one morning you generated at least 30 notifications to everyone in the group. These people didn't even have time to understand that they have been placed into that group just like yourself.

If anything they were getting a crash coarse in critical thinking like you say! But when my cousin stood up and declared o you..."if you don't like the group..you know the way out" Obviously defending the group I just started.

You unleashed on her. This all happened before 9:30 a.m. of the first day of the group.

You said to me..essentially....the group needed you with your vast knowledge and books you had accumulated.

You even dared me to remove you from the group!

And yes.... There wer over 230 witnesses!

Am I afraid of you?

No.

But I am wise to what you are doing.

You are sowing doubt to all who would believe you and passing it off as responsible reasoning.

And you didn't call me back. Hey, this is a good post. I'm glad you are letting me have it. But this is not the place for it. Start another thread. Call it : How Harold was Such An ASS, or some such. Yes, I came in like a bull in a china cabinet, and I was just having some fun (like we've always done for years). I didn't realize that you were on a Bob Coy kind of mission. That's new to me ; that you were trying to save the "newbies," and your cousin.

My bad. My very bad bad.

You've known me since you were a little kid. Maybe you were too young to see what was going on when your father and I left the local church. Your father just walked out, saying, "There's no Holy Spirit here." I stayed and fought. Your father wasn't there when Mel pumped the meeting into a crazy frenzy of, with fists pumping, shouting. "If you're not with us get out. GET OUT, GET OUT!!!" And neither you or he were there when we - your father, Gene and I - were told we had a week to stand up and repent before the whole assembly or get excommunicated.

What's my point? My point is, I guess, that since leaving the church in that way that, I've always been this way. It's nothing new. I even said right off that I didn't belong in your new group. Then someone said something that I felt obligated to respond to and the whole thing got started. And your cousin? C'mon. Unless she's a little girl, she's like you and your father, very tough. Surely a little kidding didn't cause her to have a major nervous breakdown. If so, I'm sorry, and get her into treatment ASAP. Maybe your Dad could help her. Oh, I forgot, you gave him the boot too. Aren't you booting people off your group in droves ; anybody that doesn't jump onto your "new mission from God" or doesn't agree with you?

You forget Jr.. I know your DNA.

But couldn't you better ream me a new one on the phone? And I'm so sorry I tinkled in your cornflakes. I liked you better when you were on the old Bereans.net, when you were all about lovey dovey. The fall of Preacher Bob must have changed you. Are you trying to fill his shoes ... on Facebook? Let me say that again, very loudly : ON FACEBOOK!!!

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by awareness

And you didn't call me back. Hey, this is a good post. I'm glad you are letting me have it. But this is not the place for it. Start another thread. Call it : How Harold was Such An ASS, or some such. Yes, I came in like a bull in a china cabinet, and I was just having some fun (like we've always done for years). I didn't realize that you were on a Bob Coy kind of mission. That's new to me ; that you were trying to save the "newbies," and your cousin.



My bad. My very bad bad.

You've known me since you were a little kid. Maybe you were too young to see what was going on when your father and I left the local church. Your father just walked out, saying, "There's no Holy Spirit here." I stayed and fought. Your father wasn't there when Mel pumped the meeting into a crazy frenzy of, with fists pumping, shouting. "If you're not with us get out. GET OUT, GET OUT!!!" And neither you or he were there when we - your father, Gene and I - were told we had a week to stand up and repent before the whole assembly or get excommunicated.

What's my point? My point is, I guess, that since leaving the church in that way that, I've always been this way. It's nothing new. I even said right off that I didn't belong in your new group. Then someone said something that I felt obligated to respond to and the whole thing got started. And your cousin? C'mon. Unless she's a little girl, she's like you and your father, very tough. Surely a little kidding didn't cause her to have a major nervous breakdown. If so, I'm sorry, and get her into treatment ASAP. Maybe your Dad could help her. Oh, I forgot, you gave him the boot too. Aren't you booting people off your group in droves ; anybody that doesn't jump onto your "new mission from God" or doesn't agree with you?

You forget Jr.. I know your DNA.

But couldn't you better ream me a new one on the phone? And I'm so sorry I tinkled in your cornflakes. I liked you better when you were on the old Bereans.net, when you were all about lovey dovey. The fall of Preacher Bob must have changed you. Are you trying to fill his shoes ... on Facebook? Let me say that again, very loudly : ON FACEBOOK!!!

You, My dad and Gemmer are poison. Everbody knows it but won't say it. And were the only ones banned. I only banned Ken because There was no trust between you and I and I know what you are capable of because I know your DNA. OTHERWISE I could have handled Kens extreme left wing ideologies

[awareness]

"hell is other people"
~ Jean Paul Sartre

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

And you didn't call me back. Hey, this is a good post. I'm glad you are letting me have it. But this is not the place for it. Start another thread. Call it : How Harold was Such An ASS, or some such. Yes, I came in like a bull in a china cabinet, and I was just having some fun (like we've always done for years). I didn't realize that you were on a Bob Coy kind of mission. That's new to me ; that you were trying to save the "newbies," and your cousin.

My bad. My very bad bad.

You've known me since you were a little kid. Maybe you were too young to see what was going on when your father and I left the local church. Your father just walked out, saying, "There's no Holy Spirit here." I stayed and fought. Your father wasn't there when Mel pumped the meeting into a crazy frenzy of, with fists pumping, shouting. "If you're not with us get out. GET OUT, GET OUT!!!" And neither you or he were there when we - your father, Gene and I - were told we had a week to stand up and repent before the whole assembly or get excommunicated.

What's my point? My point is, I guess, that since leaving the church in that way that, I've always been this way. It's nothing new. I even said right off that I didn't belong in your new group. Then someone said something that I felt obligated to respond to and the whole thing got started. And your cousin? C'mon. Unless she's a little girl, she's like you and your father, very tough. Surely a little kidding didn't cause her to have a major nervous breakdown. If so, I'm sorry, and get her into treatment ASAP. Maybe your Dad could help her. Oh, I forgot, you gave him the boot too. Aren't you booting people off your group in droves ; anybody that doesn't jump onto your "new mission from God" or doesn't agree with you?

You forget Jr.. I know your DNA.

But couldn't you better ream me a new one on the phone? And I'm so sorry I tinkled in your cornflakes. I liked you better when you were on the old Bereans.net, when you were all about lovey dovey. The fall of Preacher Bob must have changed you. Are you trying to fill his shoes ... on Facebook? Let me say that again, very loudly : ON FACEBOOK!!!

Wow awareness, you turning nasty on your old friends? What happened to your laughing ministry?

You musta been hangin with zeek too long!