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Old 12-30-2015, 07:24 AM   #1
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Why is it that the Anaheim elders, all hand-picked by WL and hard-core for his vision, got exiled for "rebellion"? Seeing the Anaheim case, and remembering how WN's hand-picked Shanghai Christian Assembly elders expelled him from fellowship, one wonders why this supposedly normal church structure is accompanied by so much turmoil.

There appears to be something about this particular system of 'Deputy God' authority and abject submission that leads inevitably to abuse and then crisis and collapse.

You know, Watchman Nee reminds me of Karl Marx: he looked at the system as it stood, and then told us it was hopelessly flawed, and proposed a blank-slate, start-all-over system which could cure all those ills. Instead of the Workers Paradise of Marx, Nee gave us the Glorious Church.

Both social systems, one economic and political in orientation, and one religious, were reactions to the failures of other systems, and both were significantly worse than the ills which they proposed to remedy.
At first glance, the LC newcomer to this forum would scream sacrilege to place MOTA's and Marx's even in the same stadium.

But let's remember the wise old adage: Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:21 AM   #2
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At first glance, the LC newcomer to this forum would scream sacrilege to place MOTA's and Marx's even in the same stadium.

But let's remember the wise old adage: Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I think leaving the LC, for the average person, is a long process at least it was for me. For me it started with an offended conscience. I think God wants us to pay attention to our offended consciences. The false-teaching of LSM is that we should ignore an offended conscience even to the extent of covering up sin. This protects the leadership, but does not take adequate spiritual care of the sheep. Eventually, offended consciences become hardened, which allows brothers to become bullies and causes them to erupt in unreasonable anger and condemnation (there are accounts that some foamed at the mouth) when the ministry, LSM, LC, WL, WN, blended brothers, elders, deacons, etc. are questioned, criticized, or held accountable.
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Old 12-30-2015, 11:49 AM   #3
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I think leaving the LC, for the average person, is a long process at least it was for me. For me it started with an offended conscience. I think God wants us to pay attention to our offended consciences. The false-teaching of LSM is that we should ignore an offended conscience even to the extent of covering up sin. This protects the leadership, but does not take adequate spiritual care of the sheep. Eventually, offended consciences become hardened, which allows brothers to become bullies and causes them to erupt in unreasonable anger and condemnation (there are accounts that some foamed at the mouth) when the ministry, LSM, LC, WL, WN, blended brothers, elders, deacons, etc. are questioned, criticized, or held accountable.
With immediate family and maybe relatives meeting with the local churches, fully leaving hasn't happened yet for me. Still come into contact with brothers and sisters I knew in the local churches. Away from the LC setting, normal brothers and sisters. On Facebook you see family is more important to these ones than what the latest and greatest coming out of Anaheim is. More likely to see Facebook posts about food and coffee than anything ministry centered.

About the LC and LSM leadership, they don't want being called out, questioned, criticized, nor to be held accountable according to 1 Timothy 5:19-20

Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:33 PM   #4
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About the LC and LSM leadership, they don't want being called out, questioned, criticized, nor to be held accountable according to 1 Timothy 5:19-20

Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning.
They have changed it from "...that the rest will be fearful of sinning" to "...that the rest will be fearful of speaking." In the LC and LSM leadership, the Great Commandment is to be one in speaking with Anaheim. If you do that, you have fulfilled all the LC law and prophets.

If something bothers your conscience, just remember the Great Commandment: be "one" with the brothers. If your speaking isn't "one" with the Blendeds latest, don't speak, period.
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:06 PM   #5
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If something bothers your conscience, just remember the Great Commandment: be "one" with the brothers. If your speaking isn't "one" with the Blendeds latest, don't speak, period.
Anyone who disputes this post of Aron's, please step forward. More often than not it's local church practice when one contradicts the blended's speaking.
Look what happened to Steve Isitt, Mario Sandoval, etc. If your conscience is bothered, don't make an issue of persons, matters, or things.
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I think leaving the LC, for the average person, is a long process at least it was for me. For me it started with an offended conscience. I think God wants us to pay attention to our offended consciences. The false-teaching of LSM is that we should ignore an offended conscience even to the extent of covering up sin. This protects the leadership, but does not take adequate spiritual care of the sheep. Eventually, offended consciences become hardened, which allows brothers to become bullies and causes them to erupt in unreasonable anger and condemnation (there are accounts that some foamed at the mouth) when the ministry, LSM, LC, WL, WN, blended brothers, elders, deacons, etc. are questioned, criticized, or held accountable.
These are great points. Years ago I came to the conclusion that THE PROGRAM created bullies out of beloved brothers, based on all that I had witnessed.

LC leaders loved to promote spiritual "exercise" by standing up and shouting slogans or scripture, but the Bible tells us to "exercise, or train, ourself unto godliness." (I Timothy 4.7; Hebrews 5.14) They would promote some phony and contrived "godmanliving," but prevent the normal godly exercise of our conscience, an inward exercise unto godliness. Is not our conscience the leading part of our spirit? To exercise our spirit is to exercise our conscience.

Their exercise of the spirit in the meetings for public show is no different than the Pharisees praying on the street corners for show. During that Whistler kangaroo court to quarantine Titus Chu, one Blended said, "let's all stand and call on the Lord 5x." I about puked.
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We just came back from our "one another" group where sang songs, read scripture, and prayed. We sang the sweetest song where we thanked the Father for sending His Son. I'm throwing out the lie that only in the LSM LCs is the Father praised.
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