A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

[UntoHim]

Guys, this thread is beginning to wander. Is there any way we can tighten it up a bit? Let's let Nell take the lead on keeping the thread on track. And no, I'm not saying you have to agree with her per se, but let's at least address the issues at hand and not wander so much off into peripheral issues. And most important, let's try our best to not misunderstand on purpose

[Nell]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

Guys, this thread is beginning to wander. Is there any way we can tighten it up a bit? Let's let Nell take the lead on keeping the thread on track. And no, I'm not saying you have to agree with her per se, but let's at least address the issues at hand and not wander so much off into peripheral issues. And most important, let's try our best to not misunderstand on purpose

UntoHim,

This thread went off the rails so long ago, it's hard to even find the rails.

The title is "A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us." It quickly deteriorated into an effort to discredit Jonathan Cahn. I read 2 of his books, and I appreciate very much the look at the pattern of historical events he presented. A lot of things make sense in this perspective. The closest thing Cahn had to a "prediction" was a statement that began "I believe..." which isn't a prediction at all but a statement of what he believes. This was lost on this topic.

It woke me up to things I had not heard or considered. If God was speaking, I wanted to be listening. I will never understand why there was so much blow back on this topic. Do you believe God reads this forum? He knows our hearts and our minds, so in that sense, He read every post.

So with that, I'll repeat the primary message, if indeed we are in the end-times, then be prepared by getting your life right with God. Watch and pray. Share the gospel.

Nell

[Ohio]

Yesterday Israel's Prime Minister spoke at the United Nations. Israel has always been our chief ally in the region. Our UN ambassador received a note from the White House not to attend.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yesterday Israel's Prime Minister spoke at the United Nations. Israel has always been our chief ally in the region. Our UN ambassador received a note from the White House not to attend.

Did you hear the 45 seconds of silence?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Did you hear the 45 seconds of silence?

Yes, and I heard silence from that rainbow-colored house in Wash. D.C. concerning the gunning down of Christians at that college in Oregon.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Yes, and I heard silence from that rainbow-colored house in Wash. D.C. concerning the gunning down of Christians at that college in Oregon.

Not true. Just google it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Not true. Just google it.

Is true. Provide your source where Christians were mentioned.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

Not true. Just google it.

As Ohio said, the Rainbowhouse instructed the US Ambassador and Kerry not to attend the speech. Anything else? I can't find anything else from yesterday.

Nell

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Nell

So with that, I'll repeat the primary message, if indeed we are in the end-times, then be prepared by getting your life right with God. Watch and pray. Share the gospel.

I'll say amen to that. Even if we are not in the end times we should say amen to that. We should always remember that even if this world rocks on for another few thousand years, each of us will approach the end times much sooner than that, and maybe even sooner than we think.

Let's just leave the speaking of people who seem to be more about novel prophecy and America as a covenant nation, like Israel, out of it. Let's stop worrying about whether the nation does this or that and worry about what we, the kingdom of God, are doing.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

This thread went off the rails so long ago, it's hard to even find the rails.

The title is "A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us." It quickly deteriorated into an effort to discredit Jonathan Cahn.

Now, now sis. The OP starts off with Cahn ... and the title is "A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us." So Thankful Jane must have been telling us that God was speaking to us thru Cahn.

And clearly He wasn't. Sorry you're disappointed. But that's the way that it is.

I can't tell how many doomers and gloomers I've seen all my life, just when cashing out in the supermarket isle.

I read one historical account where someone all the way back in 2500BC was predicting the end of the world, that was "coming soon." It's been going on for more than 4000 years. And we're still here. And the world is still here.

So please forgive me, really really forgive me, if I'm a little skeptical of these sorts of things. It's a fool me once sort of thing ... and you know the rest.

But still, I can't help but keep up with all this prophecy stuff. I've got some kind of disorder about it, even tho I can't identify it.

[HERn]

Originally Posted by awareness

Now, now sis. The OP starts off with Cahn ... and the title is "A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us." So Thankful Jane must have been telling us that God was speaking to us thru Cahn.

And clearly He wasn't. Sorry you're disappointed. But that's the way that it is.

I can't tell how many doomers and gloomers I've seen all my life, just when cashing out in the supermarket isle.

I read one historical account where someone all the way back in 2500BC was predicting the end of the world, that was "coming soon." It's been going on for more than 4000 years. And we're still here. And the world is still here.

So please forgive me, really really forgive me, if I'm a little skeptical of these sorts of things. It's a fool me once sort of thing ... and you know the rest.

But still, I can't help but keep up with all this prophecy stuff. I've got some kind of disorder about it, even tho I can't identify it.

Seems like something is going on. I've read about prophecy since Hall Lindsey in the 70s. Russia moving into Syria right next to Israel raises my eyebrow. The U.S. backing away from Israel and becoming isolationist plays into the belief that an attack on Israel by Russia and the hordes could happen. But, the Lord said it would be like a thief in the night...I don't know kind of like surprising everyone...except for the more spiritual ones who can read the tea leaves and then write books and cash in on the fear of others. I guess I need to keep my heart ready and not play the prediction game.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by HERn

Seems like something is going on. I've read about prophecy since Hall Lindsey in the 70s. Russia moving into Syria right next to Israel raises my eyebrow. The U.S. backing away from Israel and becoming isolationist plays into the belief that an attack on Israel by Russia and the hordes could happen. But, the Lord said it would be like a thief in the night...I don't know kind of like surprising everyone...except for the more spiritual ones who can read the tea leaves and then write books and cash in on the fear of others. I guess I need to keep my heart ready and not play the prediction game.

Not understanding this part bolded. What is "it?"

The Lord said the rapture, or "taking," of certain believers will be like "a thief in the night."

But on other occasions He warned them to heed the "signs." I would consider Israel central to the "signs" we look for, especially since both the OT and NT point to them.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by awareness

Now, now sis. The OP starts off with Cahn ... and the title is "A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us." So Thankful Jane must have been telling us that God was speaking to us thru Cahn.

And clearly He wasn't. Sorry you're disappointed. But that's the way that it is.

Really? You presume that God hasn't spoken through Cahn? You presume that I'm disappointed? You presume to speak for God? "That's the way it is" because you say so? Who are you?

You dismiss God's working at your own risk, but don't presume you know me.

I can't tell how many doomers and gloomers I've seen all my life, just when cashing out in the supermarket isle.

I read one historical account where someone all the way back in 2500BC was predicting the end of the world, that was "coming soon." It's been going on for more than 4000 years. And we're still here. And the world is still here.

So please forgive me, really really forgive me, if I'm a little skeptical of these sorts of things. It's a fool me once sort of thing ... and you know the rest.

But still, I can't help but keep up with all this prophecy stuff. I've got some kind of disorder about it, even tho I can't identify it.

And you believe what you read in the supermarket isle?

From the Bible...a more reliable source than the supermarket isle, "A day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day." That should put "soon" into perspective.

Nell

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Nell

Really? You presume that God hasn't spoken through Cahn?

Well based upon the evidence presented in the OP. Plus what I gathered about the mystery of Shemitah, and a few other videos, I think it's a safe presumption that Cahn's "sounding the alarm" was is wrong.

Originally Posted by Nell

You presume that I'm disappointed?

I did. Sorry for misreading the signals, that you were really buying into Cahn. I should have known better. You were just as burned by the LC as I was. If I was gonna presume anything I should presume that you can't hook your wagon like you once did in the LC ever again. So I'm happy you weren't expecting for Cahn to be right, so you weren't disappointed. In fact, it makes my heart go pitter-patter.

Originally Posted by Nell

You presume to speak for God?

Not guilty. I went back and checked. All I mention about God was that He wasn't speaking to us thru Cahn.

Originally Posted by Nell

"That's the way it is" because you say so?

No, because it actually happened that way. And THAT'S the way that it is. I was just pointing at it.

Originally Posted by Nell

Who are you?

Just an idiot trying to keep in touch with things.

Originally Posted by Nell

You dismiss God's working at your own risk

So I'm very glad He's a very loving and forgiving God.

Originally Posted by Nell

. . . but don't presume you know me.

Haven't even met you.

Originally Posted by Nell

And you believe what you read in the supermarket isle?

Hahaha ... no, but I read it. I'm always attracted to prediction of coming doom. It makes me laugh when it doesn't happen. I laugh a lot.

Originally Posted by Nell

From the Bible...a more reliable source than the supermarket isle, "A day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day." That should put "soon" into perspective.

Yes. So relax. Jesus has only been gone for 2 days. Give him at least a couple of weeks to visit his father. So we've got another 10 thousand years to go before he comes back. What's the hurry?

[countmeworthy]

That's good Harold... We need to be awake. Our Savior and King exhorts us to be awake. I was reading another forum a few minutes ago and the poster commented on Revelation 3:3 which reminded me of what Nell posted and your response. I am pasting here what he wrote:

"Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, AND you will not know at what time I will come to you.


All the above scriptures are just taken from the Book of Revelation which are the revelation of Jesus Christ to John.

Something to think about and hopefully not to think of it as a parable or a methapor...

What better way to see the big picture is to know the end of the story. Boom!

God Bless,
Eaglet"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2015/eaglet104.htm

We are to watch and pray for His coming. Revelation 22 ends with "The Spirit and the Bride say "Come". Come Lord Jesus.

Lots of believers are watching, praying, believing and declaring The KING IS COMING! To those who are truly watching, there is a Crown of Righteousness awaiting those who desire His Appearing.

The Crown is simply more of the Glory of Christ in us. For Christ is our Righteousness.

As for Jonathan Cahn and especially Mark Biltz, they got a lot of people to think and put the pieces of God's puzzle relating to these last days together. I have read the Harbinger, and the Shmittah year. Interesting. I have also watched Cahn on many interviews and while I won't condemn him, I do think he has become a 'sensationalist'. I do think all the attention and perhaps his bank account has gone to his head. That is what I PERCEIVE. It doesn't make me happy but I don't dwell on it or let it bother me because as much as in me is, I am grounded in Christ by His Spirit in me.

I also want to make one final comment regarding the 4 blood moons, the tetrad that of lunar eclipses that occurred on Passover and Succot (Feast of Tabernacles) in 2014 and again on Passover and FOT in 2015.

Acts 2:19-21 quotes Joel 2:28-32
I will cause wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below—blood and fire and clouds of smoke.
20 The sun will become dark, and the moon will turn blood red before that great and glorious day of the Lord arrives.
21 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Mark Biltz, a true believer in Christ, saw a lunar eclipse over Jerusalem one year he was visiting Israel. (Lunar eclipses occur every year but that they occur on Passover and FOT, 2 yrs in a row is not common.)

As an amateur astronomer, he went to the Nasa website and just started checking out the occurances of lunar eclipses on the Lord's Feasts. The Holy Spirit had him pay attention and thus he came to the realization that when Israel became a nation again in 1948, a lunar tetrad occurred in 1949-1950).

(Btw, as soon as Israel became a nation, the Arabs attacked her) but her status as a Nation was not removed.)
From 1948 to 1967, Jerusalem was a city divided. In June 1967,as a result of the 6 day war, the western sector of Jerusalem became united with it's eastern section. Thus now, JERUSALEM WAS COMPLETELY UNITED. (btw, The Old City, up until 1948, had been annexed by Jordan, and ruled from its capital, Amman. That is why in the heart of the old part of Jerusalem stands the Muslim dome of the rock)

So in 1967 and 1968, there again was another Tetrad of lunar eclipses on Passover and Succot, Passover and Succot.

The lunar tetrads appear to be signs that Israel was/is in danger but God always has come through for her.

So now that Israel is established as a nation and Jerusalem as her capital what would be the purpose of another Tetrad in 2014/2015???

So to the question, IF INDEED, the Tetrad lunar eclipses are a sign for Israel and they appeared when Israel became a nation and again when all of Jerusalem was established officially as her capital, what is next for Israel??

I THINK...it's the Tribulation period to get her to pay attention JESUS CHRIST, YESHUAH HA MESHIAH, is indeed the KING OF THE JEWS. For 7 yrs, God is going to get Israel's undivided attention. And at the end of the day, YESHUAH, THE KING OF kings and LORD of lords will appear for every eye to see HIM at the battle of Armageddon.

THAT is what I THINK is the purpose of this final tetrad. I THINK the tribulation period is very soon in coming for this world. I BELIEVE per GOD's WORD, the Bride, the BLOOD WASHED SAINTS will not suffer the things that will be during the Tribulation. I ALSO THINK, if INDEED THE TRIBULATION IS VERY, VERY SOON IN COMING, then the THOUSAND YEAR REIGN is also soon in coming...

Right now Russia is in Syria as is Iran and according to the DEBKA files:
Russia’s military intervention in Syria has expanded radically in two directions. debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report that China sent word to Moscow Friday, Oct. 2, that J-15 fighter bombers would shortly join the Russian air campaign that was launched Wednesday, Sept. 30.

Eventually, they are all going to gather against Israel. [/B]AND btw. According to the NASA website, there will not be another TETRAD that falls on those feast days for another 500 yrs. (Hmm... seems to me that would be well into the thousand year reign.)

(Harold, buddy, spare me the false jews schpeel. I AM aware of the false Jews etc....) But I am sharing what God has showed me and many, many others.

One last comment before I sign off......
While we are exhorted to search the scriptures and study, we are also told in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. They will say, “What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.”

Peace.
Carol

[awareness]

Hey! Hey! Hey! Our sis Carol is back. Nice to see your shining face too. You left a gap out here, when you disappeared.

But can't help but have some fun with you.

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

That's good Harold... We need to be awake. Our Savior and King exhorts us to be awake.

It's a shame we have to be exhorted. I try to be awake even when sleeping. But truly I can't keep up ... and my eyes won't open wide enough to take it all in.

Originally Posted by CMW

I was reading another forum a few minutes ago and the poster commented on Revelation 3:3 which reminded me of what Nell posted and your response. I am pasting here what he wrote:

"Revelation 3:3
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, AND you will not know at what time I will come to you.

I try to keep an eye out. I try to keep up with world news. It looks bad. But not as bad as Revelation depicts God's wrath at the end times. Why would any Christian want that? Why would anybody? Are we wanting to love our neighbors to death?

Originally Posted by CMW

[I]All the above scriptures are just taken from the Book of Revelation which are the revelation of Jesus Christ to John.

Something to think about and hopefully not to think of it as a parable or a methapor...

It could also be taken as secret code, understood and unscrambled, by other Christians (that spoke the same symbolic language) ; to avoid persecution in their day.

Who knows for sure what the book of Revelation means? Truth is, we may figure Revelation out, and line it all up, and match it all up, and lay it all down, as written ; and future events may not transpire and unfold as cooked up by so doing. Many have tried. Many, many have failed. I've tried to figure it all out on my own. I gave up. I just throw my arms up and give up. So I'm open when someone claims to have a lock on it. Maybe I can learn something. But people that claim to be speaking for God are people to distrust.

Originally Posted by CMW

What better way to see the big picture is to know the end of the story. Boom!

If Revelation has it, the Big Picture is not all pretty. Lots of people will give their lives for the sake of the New Heaven and New Earth (New Heaven!!!), and many will suffer for ever and ever ... even for, apparently, not watching.

Originally Posted by CMW

As for Jonathan Cahn and especially Mark Biltz, they got a lot of people to think and put the pieces of God's puzzle relating to these last days together. I have read the Harbinger, and the Shmittah year. Interesting. I have also watched Cahn on many interviews and while I won't condemn him, I do think he has become a 'sensationalist'. I do think all the attention and perhaps his bank account has gone to his head. That is what I PERCEIVE. It doesn't make me happy but I don't dwell on it or let it bother me because as much as in me is, I am grounded in Christ by His Spirit in me.

I'll look into any claims that come up. Keeping my eyes open. Unfortunately there'a a long history of flimflam artists and charlatans, that have taken advantage of innocent believers. Just google "The Great Disappointment." I don't think the Lord wants us falling for them.

Originally Posted by CMW

I also want to make one final comment regarding the 4 blood moons, the tetrad that of lunar eclipses that occurred on Passover and Succot (Feast of Tabernacles) in 2014 and again on Passover and FOT in 2015.

Acts 2:19-21 quotes Joel 2:28-32
I will cause wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below—blood and fire and clouds of smoke.
20 The sun will become dark, and the moon will turn blood red before that great and glorious day of the Lord arrives.
21 But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Mark Biltz, a true believer in Christ, saw a lunar eclipse over Jerusalem one year he was visiting Israel. (Lunar eclipses occur every year but that they occur on Passover and FOT, 2 yrs in a row is not common.)

As an amateur astronomer, he went to the Nasa website and just started checking out the occurances of lunar eclipses on the Lord's Feasts. The Holy Spirit had him pay attention and thus he came to the realization that when Israel became a nation again in 1948, a lunar tetrad occurred in 1949-1950).

(Btw, as soon as Israel became a nation, the Arabs attacked her) but her status as a Nation was not removed.)
From 1948 to 1967, Jerusalem was a city divided. In June 1967,as a result of the 6 day war, the western sector of Jerusalem became united with it's eastern section. Thus now, JERUSALEM WAS COMPLETELY UNITED. (btw, The Old City, up until 1948, had been annexed by Jordan, and ruled from its capital, Amman. That is why in the heart of the old part of Jerusalem stands the Muslim dome of the rock)

So in 1967 and 1968, there again was another Tetrad of lunar eclipses on Passover and Succot, Passover and Succot.

The lunar tetrads appear to be signs that Israel was/is in danger but God always has come through for her.

So now that Israel is established as a nation and Jerusalem as her capital what would be the purpose of another Tetrad in 2014/2015???

So to the question, IF INDEED, the Tetrad lunar eclipses are a sign for Israel and they appeared when Israel became a nation and again when all of Jerusalem was established officially as her capital, what is next for Israel??

I THINK...it's the Tribulation period to get her to pay attention JESUS CHRIST, YESHUAH HA MESHIAH, is indeed the KING OF THE JEWS. For 7 yrs, God is going to get Israel's undivided attention. And at the end of the day, YESHUAH, THE KING OF kings and LORD of lords will appear for every eye to see HIM at the battle of Armageddon.

THAT is what I THINK is the purpose of this final tetrad. I THINK the tribulation period is very soon in coming for this world. I BELIEVE per GOD's WORD, the Bride, the BLOOD WASHED SAINTS will not suffer the things that will be during the Tribulation. I ALSO THINK, if INDEED THE TRIBULATION IS VERY, VERY SOON IN COMING, then the THOUSAND YEAR REIGN is also soon in coming...

Right now Russia is in Syria as is Iran and according to the DEBKA files:
Russia’s military intervention in Syria has expanded radically in two directions. debkafile’s military and intelligence sources report that China sent word to Moscow Friday, Oct. 2, that J-15 fighter bombers would shortly join the Russian air campaign that was launched Wednesday, Sept. 30.

Eventually, they are all going to gather against Israel. [/B]AND btw. According to the NASA website, there will not be another TETRAD that falls on those feast days for another 500 yrs. (Hmm... seems to me that would be well into the thousand year reign.)

(Harold, buddy, spare me the false jews schpeel. I AM aware of the false Jews etc....) But I am sharing what God has showed me and many, many others.

WOW! Carol! You blow my mind!!!!

Originally Posted by CMW

One last comment before I sign off......
While we are exhorted to search the scriptures and study, we are also told in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following their own desires. They will say, “What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created.”

Can you imagine the scoffers that came after the first generation of the followers of The Way passed on? That was prolly the first "Great Disappointment." Is pointing that out considered scoffing?