A Wake Up Call - God is Speaking to Us

[UntoHim]

Originally Posted by awareness

And why are we so obsessed with the Jesus killers?

"Jesus killers"? Really Harold?
Read your Bible Harold, it will not only do you some spiritual good, it will straighten out your twisted historical perspective as well.

For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. (John 10:17,18)

Yes, from our limited, ignorant and fallen human perspective, the Jews "killed the Author of life" (Acts 3:15), however, from God's standpoint (the only one that counts) "The Lamb of God" was sacrificed for our redemption from eternal damnation.

As for the rest of the political stuff you posted. NOT WELCOMED HERE ON THE MAIN FORUM. As soon as you find out that Jonathan Cahn or his followers (or Nee/Lee and followers) are bashing Indian babies against the rocks you're welcome to come back and pop off about stuff that happened 200-500 years ago.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by UntoHim

"Jesus killers"? Really Harold?
Read your Bible Harold, it will not only do you some spiritual good, it will straighten out your twisted historical perspective as well.

For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. (John 10:17,18)

Yes, from our limited, ignorant and fallen human perspective, the Jews "killed the Author of life" (Acts 3:15), however, from God's standpoint (the only one that counts) "The Lamb of God" was sacrificed for our redemption from eternal damnation.

As for the rest of the political stuff you posted. NOT WELCOMED HERE ON THE MAIN FORUM. As soon as you find out that Jonathan Cahn or his followers (or Nee/Lee and followers) are bashing Indian babies against the rocks you're welcome to come back and pop off about stuff that happened 200-500 years ago.

Good verse (John 10).

And I was just trying to point out that we're not as corrupt today as Cahn and others like to claim.

[Nell]

"... Since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained: ..." George Washington's First Inaugural Address, 1789

Was George Washington a "deist"? Maybe. Regardless, that's beyond the scope of this post. For sake of argument, lets assume that for GW, this was the single moment of clarity in his life when he spoke this sentence, and he spoke the truth.

What is he saying? What does that mean? It means, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect His blessing while disregarding the eternal rules of order and right which God Himself ordained.

You can't "...make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..." then prohibit the free exercise of religion.

**You can't put IN GOD WE TRUST on your currency and murder the children He created.

**You can't pledge allegiance to ONE NATION, UNDER GOD and ban prayer in schools.

**You can't end the oath of office with SO HELP ME GOD and redefine marriage as ordained by the God whose help you seek.

You can't say "America was not founded on Christian principles" when its currency, its allegiance and its oath clearly state otherwise.

You can't have it both ways.

In the following scripture, God was compelled to set Job straight about a few things:

Job 38:1-7 (NIV)
The Lord Speaks
38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
2 “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
The whole, long, chapter is like this. God makes His point with Job.

Of the things that Cahn has written, this is the one I appreciate the most. I see it as a kinder, gentler reminder of what God had to say to Job.

The Last Shemitah
Even when it comes in the form of judgment, the Shemitah is ultimately a manifestation of mercy in that it reminds, calls back, and warns----in view of a greater Shemitah yet to come. This greater Shemitah concerns not so much nations, but every individual, every life. It is the last Shemitah.

The last Shemitah declares that all things---our lives, our beings, our breath---come as gifts from God. Of ourselves we have nothing. All our notions of ownership are an illusion; all our pride, a deception. We are not sovereign but completely dependent. Everything we have---our possessions, our money, our riches, every moment of our lives---everything has been given to us. Every heartbeat is borrowed. … “
The Mystery of the Shemitah, Jonathan Cahn, pp. 247-248

I don't know everything, but I'm thankful for the warning. I don't know where I was when God put everything together, but I pray for His mercy on us. This country is His to bless and/or judge as He sees fit. I want to be completely dependent on Him. Everything I have is a gift from Him. Thank you Lord.

As people and as a nation, we have offended You greatly and I am so sorry.

Nell

In God we Trust; One Nation, Under God; So help me God

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

In God we Trust; One Nation, Under God; So help me God

To me it is abundantly clear that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and that God has both blessed our country, and has used this country to benefit the rest of the earth.

Just look at the facts. Objectively, please.

That's not to say we are a "Christian country" per se, nor that our government officials should be considered godly representatives of the Almighty. That was never the intention of the founding fathers, nor should we even equate what was written to Israel in the Bible with the US as a country. Israel alone, not the USA, could be considered the nation of Jehovah.

I believe part of our national blessing, however, can be attributed to our support of Israel. And I believe the contrapositive is also true, that is, the less we support Israel, the less God will bless us with his favor. The daily news reports support this. Isn't it tragic that the book of Revelation seems to have no mention of the so-called "greatest nation on earth."

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

To me it is abundantly clear that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, and that God has both blessed our country, and has used this country to benefit the rest of the earth.

Just look at the facts. Objectively, please.

That's not to say we are a "Christian country" per se, nor that our government officials should be considered godly representatives of the Almighty. That was never the intention of the founding fathers, nor should we even equate what was written to Israel in the Bible with the US as a country. Israel alone, not the USA, could be considered the nation of Jehovah.

I believe part of our national blessing, however, can be attributed to our support of Israel. And I believe the contrapositive is also true, that is, the less we support Israel, the less God will bless us with his favor. The daily news reports support this. Isn't it tragic that the book of Revelation seems to have no mention of the so-called "greatest nation on earth."

Ohio,

You are correct.

Genesis 12:2-4 (KJV)
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Nell

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Ohio,

You are correct.

Genesis 12:2-4 (KJV)
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

Nell

Have you noticed that America is right in Jerusalem?

How about if I spell it this way -- Jerusalem?

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you noticed that America is right in Jerusalem?

How about if I spell it this way -- Jerusalem?

I like it.